/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12207284]

“Man does not strive for happiness; only the Englishman does that.”

- F. Nietzsche, Twilight of the Idols

Well /lit/?

[Anonymous No.12207286]

just a fucking troll

[Anonymous No.12207290]

English aren't people according to Nietzsche. We can farm and eat them I suppose

[Anonymous No.12207291]

>>12207284
His work is literally “my diary desu”, I’m pretty sure Nietzsche will have been forgotten in the next 50-100 years. Right now he’s riding the COPE wave.

[Anonymous No.12207305]

>>12207291
What the fuck is the COPE wave?

[Anonymous No.12207311]

>>12207305
people coping with their lives being meaningless and inferior to others

[Anonymous No.12207315]

>>12207290
you can do that to people too
maxstirnerbadass.jpg

[Anonymous No.12207316]

>>12207311
Is that going away?

[Anonymous No.12207318]

>>12207316
yes because copes are spooks

[Anonymous No.12207347]

>>12207316
When people have adjusted to the new technological and social changes occurring in the last few decades, then new art and philosophy will come about. Until then everyone is just lost, most of us are effectively obsolete and deep down we know it.

[Anonymous No.12207362]

>>12207284
Based as fuck. It always strikes me how similar Dosto and Neet were. Normans are a plague.

[Anonymous No.12207384]

>>12207362
>>12207284
bas'd

[Anonymous No.12207386]

>>12207347
My father got a job with a company car, and no fucking corporate logos on it or anything I mean it's basically his car and they pay for the fuel, straight out of high school. By 20 he got an mortgage which he could easily repay and a nice 3 bedroom bungalow new built home was already married and had two kids. He never read Nietzsche and nihilism would presumably be like a mental disease to him. Things are different now and honestly don't look like improving soon.
I think it's something to do with rejection of the right of welfare, society is distrustful and there's a sense that things must be earned harder. It's why supermarket cashiers are not sitting at there work station, so they feel like they worked harder for their money, it's not better than it was.

[Anonymous No.12207393]

>>12207384
Based quote.

[Anonymous No.12207396]

>>12207284
Popularity of utilitarian philosophy among Anglos + polite hedonism of English society.

[Anonymous No.12207401]

>>12207284
>>12207362
>>12207384
These are really dumb quotations.

[Anonymous No.12207404]

>>12207386
You’re right, when your dad was young, the possibility of replacing most us through automation (and disempowering the rest of us through conditioning) was a pretty faint possibility, but now it is a certainty, the only pleasure left to us is witnessing the death of mankind as we knew it. Now, a group of our species will create something that will surpass the normal man, they will create genetically altered “supermen” and its not the work of just one genius but all of us, we are all contributing to our own dissolution. Until we can embrace that our dreams have become destiny, we are stuck with navel gazing and looking back.

[Anonymous No.12207458]

>>12207404
A few years ago I remember my Dad was telling me that the company were looking to hire in the job he started as, with the company car and all that, and that they were looking only at applicants with a minimum of a BA. The relative pay is less now and the cost of housing more. The company car now has a company logo printed on the side and it's a smaller, cheaper car. Food is however cheaper but best quality (premium) food is actually more expensive than it was.
We've been watching this happen for the last 20 years, but it started slowly quite earlier. Imagine what kind of income a 20yo would need today to afford to keep a wife and 2 kids in a house he was paying off with only a high school certificate.

[Anonymous No.12207515]

>>12207458
This generation is poorer than our parents but they want us to take their advice.

[Anonymous No.12207529]

>>12207396
Nick Land makes me think twice before chosing

[Anonymous No.12207612]

>>12207284
English whigs, their mutant ultra-extremist children the original Puritan settlers, and Anglo-American positivist thinking are responsible for 90 percent of the memes choking society. Blame the Jews all you want, it's because of these eternal cucks started that we have our issues.
>women's suffrage
>universal love for all mankind
>ultra-pacifism
some examples
>Unitarianism is also known for the rejection of several other Western Christian doctrines,[4] including the doctrines of original sin, predestination,[5][6] and the infallibility of the Bible.[7] Unitarians in previous centuries accepted the doctrine of punishment in an eternal hell, but few do today.[8]
>Worship within the Unitarian tradition accommodates a wide range of understandings of God, while the focus of the service may be simply the celebration of life itself.
>Reason, rational thought, science, and philosophy coexist with faith in God.
>Though the authors of the Bible were inspired by God, they were humans and therefore subject to human error.
>Sir Isaac Newton, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Tim Berners-Lee, Neville "give Hitler Czechoslovakia" Chamberlain,

WHAT OTHER RELIGION HAS THIS?

Whenever you see PETA, a feminist, or some douche kike like Steven Pinker, remember: WHIGS.

pic related: what if England had finished the job and comitted a perfect genocide of heretics. Imagine the entire universe looking like Australia meets South Vietnam during the height of American war crimes meets Opium Wars China and occupied Cairo: all the best tendencies in the Anglo soul left to run wild. Talking Chimpanzees wearing suits gunning down impoverished children. Korans being shit and burnt on en masse. Sacred bovines being launched into Indian population centers with Howitzers. Super Bowls on the moon. But no, fucking Whigs.

[Anonymous No.12207623]

>>12207612
btw Nietzsche is talking about utilitarianism (maximizing happiness) which was the new hip Whig meme of the 19th century. Just as the positivism of the post-WW2 Zeitgeist is the current Anglo meme.

[Anonymous No.12207629]

pic related: this triggers the whig

[Anonymous No.12207700]

>>12207401
t. the eternal Anglo

[Anonymous No.12207726]

>>12207284
>>12207290
I like this guy more every passing day.

[Anonymous No.12208392]

Daily reminder that Nietsche was mad and a nervous wreck.

[Anonymous No.12208401]

>>12207700
To be born British is to come first in the lottery of life. Cry moar, shitholer.
>feelsgoodman

[Anonymous No.12208419]

>>12207290
Top kek. Many have tried, none succeeded.

[Anonymous No.12208455]

>>12207623
The only post itt that is actually dealing with OP's quote. Shame on you /lit/.

[Anonymous No.12208520]

>>12208455
>Shame on you /lit/
>implying this isn't shitpost central of 4channel

[Anonymous No.12208527]

>>12207284
He is correct. Man is part of the universe and strives for minimum energy state through interactions that can only increase the entropy of the universe.

This has been proved by linguistics and there's nothing more philosophical to discuss about it.

[Anonymous No.12208554]

>>12208455
Um, you do know OP was b8, right?

[Anonymous No.12208562]

>>12208527
>This has been proved by linguistics

[Anonymous No.12208573]

>>12208562
What is your proof then, if any? We got the methods to check the validity and significance of any statement, just give me a statement and we'll see.

[Anonymous No.12208576]

>>12208401
That quote was true when it was said, in the 19th century. Now it's false.

[Anonymous No.12208584]

>>12208573
This statement is false.

[Anonymous No.12208591]

>>12208554
Of course, and not biting but instead answering earnestly the question OP pretended to ask is the only way out for a true /lit/ gentleman.

[Anonymous No.12208593]

>>12208573
You made an assertion about thermodynamics, and think you can prove it with linguistics?

You know, you can read too many books.

[Anonymous No.12208599]

>>12208591
Alternatively, you can counter-b8 the prick until he gets so mad and entangled that he wishes he never started the thread in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12208605]

>>12208593
You are incorrect, the minimum energy principle and entropy are not thermodynamical concepts. They exist both in quantum mechanics and relativity (from which thermodynamics inherits them), the two theories that almost completely explain our existence.

It matters very little what you say unless you say it in a very specific format. Say a physical statement and I'll check if you are incorrect or correct.

[Anonymous No.12208621]

>>12207291

Yeah he has been riding the cope wave for a good 120 years now

[Anonymous No.12208627]

>>12207290
Have you seen them? I'd rather not eat that stuff.

[Anonymous No.12208629]

>>12207362

He claimed to have read him and to have found in him the only other true psychologist of their era - together with himself.

[Anonymous No.12208665]

>>12208419
>meanwhile
>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-grooming-gangs-1500-victims-investigation-police-national-crime-agency-pakistani-white-a8219971.html
>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11712599/Rotherham-paedophile-gangs-are-still-abusing-young-girls.html

[Anonymous No.12208670]

>>12207386
>american'ts are happy with corporate cars and a shitty house
Tells you everything.

[Anonymous No.12208689]

>>12208599
Yeah that's a good way too. But there's a risk of counter-counter-baiting on OP's part. While avoiding the path of the bait altogether make you immune from the trappings of the ruseman.

[Anonymous No.12208784]

>>12208593
>You know, you can read too many books.

[Anonymous No.12209373]

>>12207284
That's best understood alongside another passage from Twilight:

>G. Eliot. — They are rid of the Christian God and now believe all the more firmly that they must cling to Christian morality. That is an English consistency; we do not wish to hold it against little moralistic females à la Eliot. In England one must rehabilitate oneself after every little emancipation from theology by showing in a veritably awe-inspiring manner what a moral fanatic one is. That is the penance they pay there. We others hold otherwise. When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one's feet. This morality is by no means self-evident: this point has to be exhibited again and again, despite the English flatheads. Christianity is a system, a whole view of things thought out together. By breaking one main concept out of it, the faith in God, one breaks the whole: nothing necessary remains in one's hands. Christianity presupposes that man does not know, cannot know, what is good for him, what evil: he believes in God, who alone knows it. Christian morality is a command; its origin is transcendent; it is beyond all criticism, all right to criticism; it has truth only if God is the truth — it stands and falls with faith in God. When the English actually believe that they know "intuitively" what is good and evil, when they therefore suppose that they no longer require Christianity as the guarantee of morality, we merely witness the effects of the dominion of the Christian value judgment and an expression of the strength and depth of this dominion: such that the origin of English morality has been forgotten, such that the very conditional character of its right to existence is no longer felt. For the English, morality is not yet a problem.

[Anonymous No.12209511]

>>12207284
Nietzsche thought that happiness is best thought of as a byproduct of man exercising his Will to Power - one cannot become happy by directly trying to become happy, one becomes happy when one is engaged in work he himself judges to be good and endows with his own higher meaning.
This is why he thought that English (now commonly thought of as American) capitalist utilitarianism was useless at achieving what it claimed it be its own ends

As a side note, Infinite Jest makes basically the same critique

[Anonymous No.12209541]

>>12209373
Wow, a critique of the Enlightenment echoing the Christian theology it structurally emerged from, made 60 years before the Frankfurt School said the same thing.