Just started reading this. What am I in for?

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Anonymous Wed Dec 5 10:50:14 2018 No.12185334 [Reply] [Original]

Just started reading this. What am I in for?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 10:56:07 2018 No.12185346 >those calves You should be in for some lifting, fatty.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:01:45 2018 No.12185536

>>12185334
That depends on what you are looking for and what you currently believe. If you are someone who is enamored of the idea of equality, you will probably get a bit of a reality check. If you are someone interested in the world as it is rather than as you want it to be, you will probably get a decent (if not slightly outdated) educational resource which can branch you off into deeper study of human biodiversity if desired.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:04:02 2018 No.12185539 alt-right nonsense

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:07:31 2018 No.12185552 >>12185539 That the APA agreed with in their report that they convened in response to the book's controversy

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:12:24 2018 No.12185570 >>12185539 >>12185552 As far as I know, IQ is the most supported and accepted concept in psychology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:12:34 2018 No.12185571 >>12185539 how does the bell curve even properly represent a proper sample of the populations when demographics are so different in number

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:13:36 2018 No.12185574 >>12185539 I mean this existed way before that was ever a thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:14:01 2018 No.12185577 >>12185570 except for Binet, the originator, who knew it was a meme from the beginning, he himself said it shouldn't be given much significance and is a fast track to delusion

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:14:35 2018 No.12185583
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Weak-tea version of what everyone already knows written by a Skinnerian Jew (redundant) psychologist and a cowardly cuckservative racemixer.

>The predictions came true
And water is still wet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:15:31 2018 No.12185589 https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/02/the-unwelcome-revival-of-race-science Race Realists btfo

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:17:02 2018 No.12185596 >>12185577 -t assblasted zoomer who didn't get a perfect SAT score

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:18:33 2018 No.12185605 [DELETED]

>>12185577
Darwin also couldn't predict the complete usefulness and future trajectory of his idea.
IQ correlates with every life outcome (in some cases to very high r values), that is a fact. I don't want to accept it, I really don't. The idea that our intelligence and potential can be mapped by IQ to a very accurate extent scares the living shit out of me, which is why I refuse to take an IQ test. But this is the conclusion to which the data points to, and I haven't seen any good counter-arguments

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:19:09 2018 No.12185608 >>12185577 That's interesting I guess, but we know a lot more about iq and how it correlates to other factors than he did, and it's pretty useful as a predictor

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:19:47 2018 No.12185609 >>12185574 Charles Murray is still alive and he's an altrighter now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:19:56 2018 No.12185611 File: 42 KB, 302x448, 13346076.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12185334 You posted this book knowing full well what would happen. You piece of shit. You monster. Guaranteed 150+ replies

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:20:23 2018 No.12185615

>>12185577
Little did he know that it would prove to be the single most reliable predictor of success in a wide variety of life outcomes, more so than race, gender, level of education, height, parental income or where one is born in the county. IQ psychometrics is one of the few areas of research in psychology that doesn't suffer from replication issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:21:18 2018 No.12185618 >>12185609 Not really, unless you're looking to significantly expand the definition of altright

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:22:14 2018 No.12185620 >>12185334 show soles

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:27:05 2018 No.12185639 >>12185609 Well, he's been pushed and radicalized by the irrational response to his work. Wouldn't call him an alt-righter, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:28:49 2018 No.12185644 >>12185609 Thats probably due more to the overton window shift in recent years

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:30:52 2018 No.12185654 >>12185334 this >>12185392

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:32:12 2018 No.12185660 >>12185346 >tfw my calves look like this >tfw I look sort of muscular since I started working out but almost all of it is fat

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:33:11 2018 No.12185665

>>12185596
>>12185605
>>12185608
>>12185615
The irony is that you brainlets don't recognize that taking a specialized test is essentially redundant. Completing school and attaining your varying degree of accomplishment is enough of an intelligence test, without of all the psychological foreboding of confusing it with potential. If some fails calculus he can take it again. If some idiot scores low on an IQ test, it's his excuse to not improve or work harder. It's a net negative in the end. There's a reason no serious institution or prolific academic takes this shit serious, fuckin kike hive in here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:34:59 2018 No.12185677 >>12185665 >If some idiot scores low on an IQ test, it's his excuse to not improve or work harder The whole point of the IQ test is to take with no practice. The issue here seems to be your misunderstanding of the nature and purpose of IQ tests.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:43:25 2018 No.12185725

>>12185677
You are truly mentally retarded if you think new born's are taking this test. The whole test is a summation of all the work you have done in your life before, every single thing that has compelled your brain to think and every single psychological factor that has stimulated you to discern. No one inherently knows the right answer or what to look, pattern recognition is developed through pattern recognition which is everywhere of course. You don't come with no practice you brainlet. What is more crucial is proclivity for curiosity and temperament. The marking contrast of the every man and the achiever is both passion and hard work.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:48:34 2018 No.12185748 [DELETED]

>>12185725
It's important to mention that there isn't a single IQ test. There are several different tests, each with different purposes. In my opinion, the best IQ tests are the ones that are culture fair and rely on your natural intelligence (free from attained knowledge by schooling).

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:50:21 2018 No.12185754 >>12185665 youre conflating like 3 topics at once and refusing to admit or maybe understand what 'predictive' means

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:51:25 2018 No.12185759 >>12185725 If you had read even a tiny bit of the relevant literature you would know that a large portion of IQ is inherited

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:53:42 2018 No.12185773 >>12185725 t. copelet

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 12:56:31 2018 No.12185790 >>12185334 >bell curve You don't need 800 pages on why nigs are stupid

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:00:46 2018 No.12185815

>>12185748
that's not real though, people from different parts of the world have different experiences that lead them to think differently, your brain does absolutely nothing that it does not have to.

>American palaeoanthropologist Ian Tattersall, widely acknowledged as one of the world’s leading experts on Cro-Magnons, has said that long before humans left Africa for Asia and Europe, they had already reached the end of the evolutionary line in terms of brain power. “We don’t have the right conditions for any meaningful biological evolution of the species,” he told an interviewer in 2000.

this is a brainlet hive, the sheep gather here for slaughter

>>12185754
>>12185759
>>12185773
channers man, fuckin daft lot

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:01:28 2018 No.12185823

>>12185609
Not even close. He is if anything a scholar using known science to push a education reform agenda in paleo-con circles. My problem isnt the data, but the fact that he would build an educational regime around it, which is a slippery path to hell. Individual student assessment is both better for PR and the individual.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:02:46 2018 No.12185829 >>12185790 Except that it doesnt say that, it works on means and medians.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:03:04 2018 No.12185834 >>12185790 Thank goodness it only spends one chapter on that then

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:03:17 2018 No.12185837 >>12185334 your apartment looks cozy anon. happy holidays, hope you enjoy the book :)

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:03:56 2018 No.12185841 >>12185815 Forget different parts of the world, look at multiple intelligence theory. No one here would call Lebron James a genius, but his physio-spacial abilities surpass 99.9999999% of the population

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:03:58 2018 No.12185842 >>12185815 You have quite literally read nothing about this subject and it is incredibly obvious dude. Nobody, literally nobody, believes this blank slatism you're pushing here

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:05:07 2018 No.12185848 >>12185837 I was just thinking how nice his floors are.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:05:37 2018 No.12185852 [DELETED]

>>12185815
>that's not real though, people from different parts of the world have different experiences that lead them to think differently, your brain does absolutely nothing that it does not have to.
This is factually incorrect. Progressive-raven matrices is an example of a culture free test based around shape manipulation. Every human brain naturally has the ability to logically assemble and manipulate geometric shapes.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:07:51 2018 No.12185866

>>12185852
This guy is almost definitely a 19 year old with dunning kruger who has read nothing about IQ or intelligence testing in his entire life.

He is quoting someone in that post saying that something has reached 'the end of its evolutionary potential' meaning he also understands nothing about evolution

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:28:21 2018 No.12185975 >>12185852 >>12185866 Trusting the expert vs 4chan. I'll take my chances, cretin. Btw not one of you could refute my point that an iq test is redundant and just putting an individual through school is sufficient enough as a filtration process.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:29:53 2018 No.12185981 >>12185866 I was similar to him too, I resisted the idea of IQ quite strongly, but after enough reading, I had to accept it. I still don't like the idea. In fact, I hate it.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:31:33 2018 No.12185995

>>12185975
IQ measures g, which is just the core ability to do stuff like recognize patterns
Going through school has all sorts of other variables- time preference, socioeconomic class, your interests in general

The fact that you would even suggest something so retarded reinforces my belief that you have absolutely no clue what youre talking about

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:32:04 2018 No.12185997 [DELETED]

>>12185975
>Btw not one of you could refute my point that an iq test is redundant and just putting an individual through school is sufficient enough as a filtration process.
People can glide through school parroting and copying to achieve decent grades, that doesn't mean they understand any of it or that they are actually intelligent. IQ measures your fluid intelligence, your on the spot reasoning power. It's the closest thing we have to measuring "intelligence".

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:44:40 2018 No.12186087 niggers being dumb doesn't mean they can't be raised properly, pay taxes and be usefull citizens to your country. this is something beyond the comprehension of pol brainwashed tards and americans.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:46:26 2018 No.12186098 [DELETED]

>>12186087
>niggers being dumb doesn't mean they can't be raised properly, pay taxes and be usefull citizens to your country.
They are less likely to do that and require more resources from whites to do it, which is why it's best not to have them in the first place. Let them stay in their own lands and live as how they see fit.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:50:16 2018 No.12186124
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>>12186098
m8, I live in a nation with 10% blacks and we don't have such issues as the US, I've never hear someone complain IRL about black people, and yet my town is 60% black.

americans need to travel more and realize is their own fault and their culture is toxic as fuck.

I see white americans and all americans as trashy retards.
Whites in america believe to be above niggers when they're rude retards with god complex and below average intelligence.

Americans (white) tell me I'm dumb because I'm brown, yet I'm smarter and more well read and have higher IQ higher than most white americans.

IQ doesn't indicate your value as a person, only white americans wanna validate their value by proxy of their skin color, because they're too lazy and stupid to archieve something on their own.

kys retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:51:09 2018 No.12186129 >>12186124 >I live in a nation with 10% blacks and we don't have such issues as the US, i straight up dont believe you

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:52:25 2018 No.12186140 File: 110 KB, 657x539, 1538131307824.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] that feel when 152 IQ but socially retarded

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:52:43 2018 No.12186144 [DELETED]

>>12186124
I'm from the UK and lived in London/Birmingham. I've experienced lots of problems with blacks, mostly from the younger generation. The crim they commit here, in France, in Belgium, everywhere they are, is disproportionate. It's not just in America.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:54:34 2018 No.12186163

>>12186129
south america.

>>12186144
lack of parenting, discipline and oportunities to focus their shit.

watch some peterson, they don't have oportunities and lack a motivation or desire to self improve.

shitty parents explain more black crime than IQ.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:55:18 2018 No.12186166 >>12186140 Do you ever struggle with understanding things you're reading about or trying to learn (in textbooks, etc)?

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:55:52 2018 No.12186168
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>tfw 170 IQ but never learnt to tie my shoes or do my time's tables
I can't learn anything unless it's hyper intellectually stimulating. Being extraordinarily smart is a curse desu

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:57:30 2018 No.12186177 [DELETED]

>>12186163
>lack of parenting, discipline and oportunities to focus their shit.
>watch some peterson, they don't have oportunities and lack a motivation or desire to self improve.
>shitty parents explain more black crime than IQ.
I grew up in the same shithole areas as these people and my parent was also useless. Some of these people are in prison, mental hospitals, or are homeless. The others are slinging drugs or doing other crime. Some of them were my friends growing up. Yet I never became involved in that stuff (though I did do some petty stuff), despite the peer pressure to do so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 13:57:58 2018 No.12186179 >>12185665 This is a two-digit IQ post.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:00:53 2018 No.12186195

>>12186177
people with higher IQ even if they had shitty parenting don't usually become criminals.

It's been proven you need to be below average intelligence to work as a criminal.

good parenting avoid blacks becoming niggers, I didn't mean other races like whites or asian become white trash as easily.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:03:36 2018 No.12186212 I am convinced that most people commenting in this thread have never actually read the book and would just rather use the subject matter as a platform to spew their biases/pre-conceived notions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:05:08 2018 No.12186220 >>12186177 >Some of these people are in prison, mental hospitals, or are homeless. The others are slinging drugs or doing other crime. And here you are still posting on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:06:00 2018 No.12186222 >>12186212 I have never read the book, but I know what it is about and I have seen the studies cited in the book.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:07:07 2018 No.12186228

>>12185995
but you have just revealed your mental retardation, you can be home schooled, take online course scheduled around your life, the crux on the argument is that a person can study and exam himself on the explicit subjects vs needing a pattern recognition test, fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:07:24 2018 No.12186230 >>12186220 4chan is a great place. The ability to be able to speak your mind with zero social expectations is refreshing and relaxing. To me at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:08:29 2018 No.12186237 >>12185997 which is built from schooling and life expereince and exposure, fucking moron, they can tlearn subjects in thier own time as well, and thats not real listic to have a life scott free of interscheduling, thats the way life is, moron

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:08:34 2018 No.12186238 >>12186228 How well a person will do on explicit subjects will correlate with his/her IQ score.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:09:39 2018 No.12186241 >>12186237 Fluid intelligence related to the manipulation of simple geometric shapes and objects is innate. It does not require schooling.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:10:10 2018 No.12186245 >>12186228 WHat on earth are you rambling about? IQ measures general intelligence, which can be applied to many activities Why are you talking about educational achievement, which is influenced by many factors, one of which is IQ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:11:05 2018 No.12186256 >>12186168 i laughed way to hard at the totality of this post

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:11:12 2018 No.12186258 >>12185334 don't leave your cupboard doors open. they'll skew over time. t. carpenters son

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:13:08 2018 No.12186270

>>12186177
you still are white and have a different self perspective, what actually kills the black community is the rampant inferiority complex and self imposed inability to assimlate with larger cu;ture to a healthy degree, they feel like outsiders in their own fuckin country, even the rich as fuck asritrocrats feel like this

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:14:26 2018 No.12186282 >>12186238 but thats not even true, and there are countless individuals who disprove that

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:14:41 2018 No.12186286
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>>12185334
you will fuck up your head and perception of probability, randomness and ignore the signifficance of fundamentally unpredictable rare events (black swans).
events and matters of importance in real world are very rarely normally distributed (in a gauss distribution) we live in extremistan, not mediocristan
read instead The Black Swan from Nassim Nicholas Taleb
t. quant from big pharma and trader

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:15:33 2018 No.12186296 >>12186282 >will correlate >there are individuals that disprove this Jesus christ you are actually unintelligent. Im so used to people just being dishonest on here but youre genuinely retarded

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:15:49 2018 No.12186298 >>12186241 its not innate you moron, its inherited, its advantage biologically handed on from those before who need it, but there is no restriction on those who have yet to learn to use it and hone and refine it, you fucking brainlet

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:17:10 2018 No.12186312 >>12186296 you can do shit on an iq test and do extraordinary in terms of intellectual achievement, whats so hard brainlet

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:18:11 2018 No.12186323 >>12186245 which is studying, not iq, you dumb jew

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:18:46 2018 No.12186328 >>12186312 this has to be bait

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:20:50 2018 No.12186342 [DELETED]

>>12186270
I'm a first generation Eastern European immigrant (not white by /pol/ standards) with a funny sounding name. I faced racism for it (told to go back to my country, etc.), no blacks face racism in London the way I did in school. Not in places like Tottenham (where I lived for some years).

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:23:11 2018 No.12186363

>>12186312
At the age of eight I was given an IQ test, I scored a 86. But I am still going to a university next year in the Netherlands.

Even though I am considerd "Smart" And always have had an easy time at school, it still bugs me that my IQ test came back as 86. Did I fuck up the test or is it actually my IQ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:26:11 2018 No.12186381 In sum, the lesson to be taken from the book is that well-intentioned meritocracies invariably devolve into rigid IQ-based caste systems. We were better of with warrior or priest kings than these technocrats.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:26:14 2018 No.12186382 >>12186098 >Actively discriminated and disadvantaged an entire group based on race after they were freed from slavery >wonder why their communities have deep social issues, poverty and high crime rates Amerifats really are amazing

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:28:06 2018 No.12186392 >>12186382 theyre like that everywhere else too

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:29:36 2018 No.12186400 >>12186382 >discriminated against >given handouts and a soft treatment that goes against common sense and evidence

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:30:18 2018 No.12186403 >>12185981 >>In fact, I hate it. Hate it, why? Is it because it reinforces the fact that we are not equal in abilities? That much of life is predetermined before birth? I think the concept of IQ is very liberating, actually.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:32:03 2018 No.12186414 >>12186382 >discriminated against >given handouts and a soft treatment that goes against common sense and evidence

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:33:24 2018 No.12186419

>>12186342
>no blacks face racism in London the way I did in school
Yeah the words wog or nigger don't exist in London, we just bully Eastern euros instead
>>12186392
It's more the fact that being black in Western countries usually means you're poor and thus naturally have higher crime rates (although it's more accurate to say that rich and poor commit completely different types of crime).
>>12186400
>>12186414
>Jim crow didn't exist
>segregating blacks into sub par schools didn't happen and doesn't still happen today via private schools
>weren't targeted by unions who tried to stop black men joining and thus be unable to work in skilled trades

ayo white man dindu nuffin, wuz a good boi, juz wan sum free labour dats all

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:33:47 2018 No.12186423 File: 29 KB, 512x422, 1543149562676.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12186403 >That much of life is predetermined before birth? >I think the concept of IQ is very liberating, actually

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:35:30 2018 No.12186429 [DELETED]

>>12186419
>>no blacks face racism in London the way I did in school
>Yeah the words wog or nigger don't exist in London, we just bully Eastern euros instead
Nobody ever called blacks wogs or niggers in school to their face. Behind their backs sure. Eastern Europeans on the other hand were picked on by both blacks and whites. We were seen as less British/native than blacks.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:37:31 2018 No.12186440 [DELETED]

>>12186419
>It's more the fact that being black in Western countries usually means you're poor and thus naturally have higher crime rates (although it's more accurate to say that rich and poor commit completely different types of crime).
We can compare them to other poor groups and find they have much lower crime rates. It is mostly a black problem, not a poverty problem.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:37:35 2018 No.12186441 >>12185334 why the fuck growing is tree in your unit?

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:38:41 2018 No.12186446

>>12186237
Not the person you’ve been arguing with, but you really need to read the current literature on IQ heritability. It’s been pretty conclusively proven that what you’re arguing is fundamentally incorrect and that life experiences and education have a minimal impact on a person’s intelligence. It’s depressing to consider this when IQ has been shown to have such a huge impact on life outcomes, but remember that it’s on a population basis and any given individual with a low IQ can still be very successful and lead a good life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:39:43 2018 No.12186450 I don't want to read it cause I think the author just wants something to blame for his White Christian Utopia falling apart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:40:04 2018 No.12186453 >>12186446 >life experiences and education have a minimal impact on a person’s intelligence. Isn't it about 40-60%?

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:40:34 2018 No.12186455

>>12186440
>no evidence
could you please provide some standard issue /pol/ infographs please? other than "Black people mean to me at school :("
>>12186429
>He doesn't remember when black footballers would get bannanas thrown at them and supporters would make chimp noises at them, barely a decade ago
leave literal child

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:42:20 2018 No.12186461

>>12186363
brother, its all horseshit, its a form of social eugenics, a psy op to brainwash certain populations of race and percieved "intelligence" in think that higher ups know what is best for them lmao. You are amazing, the perfect cadidate when I need to disprove them, timely as ever Watson. XO

thats all IQ is, it's a placebo, vindication for some, assurance for others, but foreboding for all

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:42:40 2018 No.12186463 >>12186363 IQ tests given to children are normed based on other children of the same age. If you feel smart now, you were probably just behind in intellectual maturity and have caught up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:44:39 2018 No.12186468 >>12186446 that's why IQ is literally panned by any serious institution or intellectual as more than moderately significant

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:45:48 2018 No.12186474 https://youtu.be/8wcSSLo9TIs dont know how this board considers itself intelligent or enlightened and still argues about IQ universitys dont use it. companies dont use it. the government doesnt use it to measure intellegence. quit being retards

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:47:52 2018 No.12186477 >>12186474 B-but how else will i get to feel superior to other races despite being a loser!?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:48:30 2018 No.12186482 >>12186453 I’ve read studies ranging from 70-90% It could be less but I’m really sick of the pervasive blank-slate concept that dominates society

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:50:32 2018 No.12186486

I remember reading an article once about how IQ tests mature and change over time as much of it is about cultural awareness.; and due to this criminals were getting lowered sentences or even excused from them. Anybody have any intel on this? This made the whole thing seem like soft science to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:51:45 2018 No.12186489 >>12186474 All of those places also use race quotas and other pozzed bullshit. Hard pass.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 14:56:27 2018 No.12186505

>>12186468
I don’t know what you can’t understand about this. Individuals bragging about a high IQ rightfully come off as idiots because having it as your only achievement just highlights a failure to do anything of value with your intellect.
More importantly, the value in IQ comes from POPULATION analysis. Maybe you should read the book being discussed in this thread. It does a pretty good job of conveying this idea.

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>>12186256
It's true. I didn't learn how to spell either until I was a teenager because rote memorization of the letters of the alphabet wasn't intellectually stimulating enough for me. I wish I was a 130 IQ brainlet. Life would be much easier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:00:01 2018 No.12186517 >>12185609 >spend one chapter discussing IQ between races to make sure your research is sound >get called a racist against blacks but not against whites or hispanics oke, then

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:00:33 2018 No.12186520

>>12186474
i wonder why they dont use them.

how many retards do we have itt that read some popsci article by an ideologically biased sociologist and havent even looked at the actual literature on IQ by the people who fucking study it.

Complete fucking retards

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:00:40 2018 No.12186522 >>12186474 Trusting a marxist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:01:13 2018 No.12186525 >>12185725 This is now a Meno's paradox threat

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:03:51 2018 No.12186540 >>12186474 All those places have their own retarded biases in acceptance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:04:29 2018 No.12186543 >>12186474 Some u.s. companies do. It's not used because some groups will do better, naturally. IQ correlates with Sat and gre, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:07:20 2018 No.12186553 >>12186363 IQ test at age 8 says nothing about your (potential) IQ at, say, age 25

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:07:49 2018 No.12186556 >>12186543 >Griggs v. Duke Power Company, 1971. US Supreme Court found that a particular use of IQ tests in hiring practices caused a disproportionate impact on African American employees. This is why companies cant use iq tests

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:08:40 2018 No.12186558 >>12186144 >mostly from the younger generation You don't think that has to do with the influence of black American culture? We live in a time where this toxic culture is glorified and marketed as "cool".

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:13:11 2018 No.12186577 >tfw black people ars always on the mind of white people be they leftcucks or rightists Shits facinating in a way

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:13:44 2018 No.12186580 >>12186505 it means nothing anon, time will vindicate this, i dont need an iq test, that people from shithole areas lack abilities to perform intellectual pursuits, you have in fact failed the iq test of life

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:15:24 2018 No.12186584 >>12186577 Yah it is, I bet slaveowners have less of a shit

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:15:45 2018 No.12186587

>>12186577
They are chosen by God to judge the world. No one in life has been more physically and psychologically abused than the negro throughout human history. He has appointed them to judge the living and the dead but of course they are not infallible. The righteous negro has the ultimate truth on humanity and knows who deserves what in the after life.

t. not a cuck or nigger but ultra rationalist

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:17:24 2018 No.12186595 >>12186577 yeah and black people certainly never obsess over whites

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:18:29 2018 No.12186601 >>12186580 >i dont need to look at the data about iq and socioeconomic class, my unexamined presumptions are just automatically correct imbecile

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:22:09 2018 No.12186616 It was leftist policy that advocated for metrics like IQ, SAT, etc... because they thought it would help raise the lower class/minorities

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:23:15 2018 No.12186623 >>12186556 They don't need to anyway. SAT and GRE scores, plus your eventual degree ranking will correlate with your IQ. Assuming you are not depressed, mentally ill, etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:24:20 2018 No.12186629 >>12186577 White man's burden.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 15:53:39 2018 No.12186785 >>12186601 yes all i need to know is socio ecnonmic status to estimate intellectual ppursuit you mong

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 16:27:21 2018 No.12186938 >>12185334 pretty boring shit read The g Factor it's also boring but very informative

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 17:41:41 2018 No.12187305 >>12186938 Link?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 17:42:45 2018 No.12187316 >>12187305 On Libgen, by Arthur Jensen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 18:54:29 2018 No.12187608 >>12187316 Thanks

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:11:59 2018 No.12188203

>>12185570
>>12185605
IQ measures nothing but your ability at taking IQ tests. The only reason that it's still discussed is pseuds like to take online tests that "prove" that they're the geniuses that they always thought they were, and society/their parents just doesn't understand.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:14:34 2018 No.12188216 >>12188203 >IQ measures nothing but your ability at taking IQ tests. IQ correlates with every metric for life success. Time for you to seek out of the data instead of holding onto these childish and emotional preconceived reactions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:22:17 2018 No.12188237 >>12188216 Time for you to make the realisation that the Web 1.0 Angelfire website where you took your totally legit IQ test and got perfect grades doesn't change your future life of mediocrity, because Surprise!- you're not special.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:23:49 2018 No.12188240 >>12188237 No idea why you're referencing online "IQ tests" because that's not what I'm talking about. Did you get tested and score low, which is why you're so emotionally invested in disproving IQ tests (something which you're doing poorly)?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:25:13 2018 No.12188244 >>12188237 >>12188240 p.s. I've never taken an IQ test and never will, but I know they are a good metric for intelligence and achievement. Assuming the person taking the test isn't mentally ill or troubled in some way.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:25:15 2018 No.12188246
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>>12188237
>because Surprise!- you're not special.
Well, aren't you an edgy nihilist. What truth bomb are you going to throw at us next? That everyone has to die and none of us are going to "make it out of here alive"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:26:59 2018 No.12188254 >>12185334 The last time I was in a Bell Curve thread, one of you autists unironically tried to promote phrenology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:28:57 2018 No.12188261 >>12188246 Edgier than bismuth motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:52:16 2018 No.12188326 >>12185589 >theguardian ._.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:54:06 2018 No.12188332 >>12186516 loool why don't you try to cure cancer and stuff like dat

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 22:56:26 2018 No.12188562
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>>12186124
>>My skin is brown and I don't get treated bad in places that are 60% brown like me.
Duh.
No IQ problem here, folks.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 22:56:47 2018 No.12188565

>>12188254
You know that Gould's cranial studies on which he based The Mis-measure of Man were recently redone and his results were shown to be incorrect right? Obviously there were eccentricities and scientific claims associated with phrenology that turned out to be not valid but the idea that there is nothing to be understood about the brain by the shape of the skull is patently ridiculous. The same people who point to phrenology and call it "scientific racism" will balk at anyone who questions the replicability or empirical validity of climate models despite many of them being ridiculously inaccurate.

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 23:09:39 2018 No.12188619
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https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html
https://cbs.asu.edu/sites/default/files/PDFS/Lewis%20et%20al.pdf
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2007008
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/theres-new-evidence-confirming-bias-of-the-father-of-scientific-racism/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4836680/
https://www.wired.com/2011/06/gould-morton-revisited/>>12186553
https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/cranial-capacity-numbers-game-evolutionists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_George_Morton

This board is full of literal cretins desu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 23:11:31 2018 No.12188626 >>12188619 why do i keep seeing people use the word cretin, where is this from

Anonymous Wed Dec 5 23:15:41 2018 No.12188639

>>12185725
>you are truly retarded if people whose brains aren't even vaguely developed yet take this test
they administer iq tests for grade school children, I took one when I was diagnosed with ADHD. You have no idea what you're talking about, tests are weighted based on your age and they take into account if you've taken any before. They become less g loaded if you do and aren't as informative, thus they'll do other tests on you like Raven matrices.
>>12185841
>physio spatial
you mean his motor skills? he doesn't have good spatial reasoning at all, most athletes don't.
>>12185975
>g doesn't exist because I think, incorrectly, the test is redundant
>this ignoring that poor children with high iq's won't have as much challenge in their schooling as rich private school children
lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 23:17:12 2018 No.12188645 >>12188626 its a meme u dip

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 23:26:58 2018 No.12188676 File: 117 KB, 736x736, datpige.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iodine+cretinism+iq >"duuuuuurr yeah how bout a REAL source?" https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/16/health/16iodine.html

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 23:28:46 2018 No.12188682 A curved bell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 23:46:15 2018 No.12188734 >>12188645 what meme..liar

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 00:06:54 2018 No.12188774 >>12185334 People assuming you're some racist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 00:12:28 2018 No.12188786 >>12185334 Ignored variables and confirmed biases. Just like everything else in social science.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 01:47:09 2018 No.12189038 >>12188786 >>12188774 Cope/10, try /r/latestagecapitalism for some friends losers

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 03:11:10 2018 No.12189204 File: 370 KB, 1000x1245, PhrenologyPix.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12188565 Those cranial studies have nothing at all to do with what phrenology is concerned with.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 03:11:26 2018 No.12189205 >>12185334 A pretty interesting book about IQ with about a paragraph and a half that's made the book into either racist rhetoric or politically uncensored truth depending on who you ask. Really it's less than a page.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 03:19:31 2018 No.12189219 >>12185539 2/10 troll nigger lover

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 03:28:51 2018 No.12189234 >>12189204 t. from a pop-book/paper at the time and not from a medical journal

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 03:29:32 2018 No.12189236

>>12186577
This is because everyone knows, deep down in their heart, that negros are a child race. Liberals want to save them. Conservatives want to let them stand on their own (knowing full well that they will fall down). Jews promote negros as a shielding maneuver allowing them to continue committing crimes against humanity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 03:31:23 2018 No.12189238 >>12189234 Medicine has been a total pseudoscience until modern times so like I care what shit they had in medical journals. At any rate, Morton was not a phrenologist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 03:38:11 2018 No.12189246 >>12185852 >Progressive-raven matrices are you talking about Raven's Progressive Matrices? It's good, but it's not culture free; see Flynn et al.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 10:00:09 2018 No.12190148

>>12189246
Flynn didn't prove that the Matrices were culturally biased, he proved that different macro groups still had different mean results even using Raven's Progressive Matrices. While his conclusion was that it must have been an environmental factor, Flynn in no way demonstrated that genetic factors could not have just as easily accounted for that difference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 10:10:36 2018 No.12190193 >>12185571 It doesn't. Anyone who slightly understands statistics understands that a generalization as it is made in the Bell Curve is scientifically useless and improper.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 11:15:59 2018 No.12190423 >>12185725 Pattern recognition is an innate ability you fucking Jew

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 12:31:39 2018 No.12190682

>>12185571
Most of the time it does not. It is just convenient to assume things are normally distributed for estimation purposes. Many people (and, unfortunately, scientists) draw the causal arrow in the wrong direction and assume that the reason we use the normal distribution (bell curve) so much is that it occurs very often in nature, which is not the case considering probabilistic systems in reality are much more complex (e.g., hierarchical variance structures).

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:34:54 2018 No.12191225 >>12185571 murray btfo

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:36:03 2018 No.12191234

IQ is at best a confidence boost and at worst a ticket for lazy pseuds to scorn learning, bypass logos, and fall head over heals for their own unexamined opinions. There is no educational or scientific basis for testing IQ.

t. thrice tested from ages 12-19, 135+ IQ

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:37:14 2018 No.12191243 >>12185334 Explanation why Liberians whose country was founded on exact same principles as USA live in shithole while USA does not. Yet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:40:19 2018 No.12191260 >>12191243 yea the level of advanced society was the same when they both started eh brainlet fuck your a disgrace

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:43:07 2018 No.12191264 >>12185611 Its really like that sometimes

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:43:42 2018 No.12191267 File: 15 KB, 250x238, 1543862063883.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12191234 >dude IQ testing is invalid lmao >my IQ is x why do pseuds do this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:50:17 2018 No.12191289 >>12185334 Rich people post on /lit/??

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:56:12 2018 No.12191317 >>12189236 And if you don’t fall into any of those categories, you’ve broken out of the paradigm/regime so good job

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:56:53 2018 No.12191319 >>12191260 Starting point doesn't matter. Didn't stop high-IQ nations like Japanese, Koreans, Chinese and Finns from catching up to developed world in one or two generations. Liberians have had over 200 years to pull that stunt.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:02:37 2018 No.12191341 [DELETED]

>>12191319
What a bunch of bullshit. The reason those nations have progressed is not because they are full of Asians you absolute buffoon.

IQ is a load of horseshit. Asians just try very hard at academics and their families instill this in hem so they want some recognition for the hard work done even though there are probably loads of extremely intelligent people with low IQ scores

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:04:24 2018 No.12191351 >>12191341 >no counter-arguments the post I'll take that as admittance that Bell Curve is correct.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:05:27 2018 No.12191354

>>12191319
are you fucking retarded asians had dynasties and ancient civilzations thousands years ago, with multiple contributing inter cultures a head start on all humanity to learn how to collectiveexcel with an intense culture of discipline, finns from harsher climtes structure organize faster and better with time these groups all leech on the headstartf from ancestors you absolute frucking brainlet

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:11:44 2018 No.12191384 >>12191267 Because without the affirmation of having been tested reprobates ITT will claim "obvious two digit IQ xd". I never considered the reverse so congrats, you proved that stupidity can never be fully protected against.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:12:40 2018 No.12191389 >>12191354 Yes, both groups weeded out idiots over generations explicitly and implicitly. Their culture has changed and dynasties disappeared before they even started industrialization, but high IQ gene pool remains.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:14:16 2018 No.12191395 >>12191319 >high-IQ nations like Finland >[citation needed]

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:22:07 2018 No.12191424

>>12191319
>>12191389
>>12191341
>>12191354
>>12191354
You faggots are putting the cart before the horse here, assuming cultures all convergent aim to develop to the same point. East Asia has intense pressure from geography to collectivise and develop large, highly centralised hierarchies. Liberia has no such pressures, human culture could survive their with little or no collectivisation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:26:51 2018 No.12191436 >>12186363 Ligt eraan, naar welke uni ga je? Toch niet de UvA?

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:27:19 2018 No.12191438

>>12191389
repetitive generational behavior imprints (affects) genes yes and produces more capable individuals for the new respective environment of work or new system rather but that's not the claim here you fucking brainlet

one the sample is shit and incongruent between groups and extrapolates to balance the differences, murray is a shit scientist, two they are making claims of peoples capacities not abilities, no one is disputing how able some people are to take tests at the moment, its the idea you can predict a persons intellectual potential and success in life when you have no evidence for what even composes intelligence in the human brain and to assign cute number to a sophisticated not understood system is just superficial and primitive, no one to this day gives IQ test any mind except the goverment becuase they think its an efficeient way to make sure you are not absolutely retarded and operating a gun but they dont make erroneous claims of the future individual, fuck your dumb

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:30:50 2018 No.12191455

>>12191424
Yet there is no denying that Liberia which has same governmental and cultural DNA as USA is a mess (same with France vs Haiti to lesser degree), while Chinese Japanese Koreans which have traditionally nothing in common with USA "miraculously" manage to become first world nations. Not to mention USA had zero "intense pressure from geography to collectivise and develop large, highly centralised hierarchies". Less than Liberians even who were surrounded by colonial powers and other oogabookas. So what's with USA's success?

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:33:57 2018 No.12191468

>>12191438
>repetitive generational behavior imprints (affects) genes yes and produces more capable individuals for the new respective environment of work or new system rather but that's not the claim here you fucking brainlet
That's exactly the claim here. Hereditary genetics play huge role in IQ, IQ in turn plays huge role in how society of particular people turns out and develops. Rest of your post is unreadable.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:42:38 2018 No.12191505

>>12191468
morons here arent making claims about current ability they are making claims of potential, along the lines of "you cant fix stupid", its all fuckin hoopla and i already told you murray is a shit scientist and his samples are botched and dont indicate anything, thats what happens when ideologues participate in metrics

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:43:54 2018 No.12191509 >>12191505 in other words extrapolation isn't science

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:50:19 2018 No.12191530 >>12191351 Okay? So you basically just suck the academic dick no matter what they’re saying? I mean wtf

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:54:01 2018 No.12191539 >>12191505 Try to write intelligble posts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 15:57:36 2018 No.12191555 >>12191530 No, but post without any argument in it is same as admitting defeat on subject. So Bell Curve is correct.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:00:48 2018 No.12191566 [DELETED]

>>12191555
Absolutely not, there is something beyond hypothetical facts and figures on Neuroscience, there is humanity, morality, and probity, and you have none of those. Go look into the definitions of Good and Evil and you will find the mentalities of The Bell Curve fit into the evil side of things

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:06:41 2018 No.12191581

>>12191455
>So what's with USA's success
Enlightenment values inherited from Europe coupled with a strongly expansionist/militaristic culture and the vast swathes of land in North America that could be settled or conquered with very little resistance.

There's nothing special about America per se, its success is just the result of historical contingency and favourable geopolitics. It bears some comparison to Rome in fact, which was certainly not intellectually superior to the earlier Greeks, Persians, Babylonians, etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:12:56 2018 No.12191598 Why are you intimidated by intelligence tests?

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:13:22 2018 No.12191602

>>12185334
Murray is a Koch shill
He is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, which they fund and David Koch is on the board of
He is paid by the Young America's Foundation to go lecture at colleges, Young America's Foundation is funded by the Kochs

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:14:48 2018 No.12191606 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcSSLo9TIs&t Stephen Jay Gould DEMOLISHES the bell curve with FACTS and LOGIC

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:15:09 2018 No.12191611

>>12191566
Nobody cares about muh humanities. This is big boy topic.

>>12191581
>vast swathes of land in North America that could be settled or conquered with very little resistance
You're directly contradicting your earlier "intense pressure from geography to collectivise and develop large, highly centralised hierarchies" claim with this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:17:32 2018 No.12191624 >>12191606 What a brainlet.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:24:24 2018 No.12191662
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>>12185665
>. Completing school and attaining your varying degree of accomplishment is enough of an intelligence test
>Paying 10s of thousands of buckaroos and 4 years of your life is the same as taking a 2 hour test.
I'd concede the point that you actually learn something at university but it's simply not the case for most jobs and pic very much related; they just want to filter out the brainlets on the application form. If we accepted that all we want to do is sort people into jobs by aptitude and give them specific on the job training we could save a shit load of money, but that would require altering some dearly held assumptions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:27:16 2018 No.12191674 File: 51 KB, 1107x636, numeracy after university.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12191505 >Thank god for all this pricy edumacation, it makes a real difference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:30:34 2018 No.12191693 >>12191611 >You're directly contradicting your earlier claim with this I don't believe I am, do explain.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:31:16 2018 No.12191701

>>12189204
You're mocking this concept like it's absurd when really it isn't categorically incorrect it's just a low-resolution representation of the now well-observed and accepted evidence that different regions of the brain have different specializations.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:32:24 2018 No.12191707

>>12191693
>vast swathes of land in North America that could be settled or conquered with very little resistance
>intense pressure from geography to collectivise and develop large, highly centralised hierarchies
I can't explain it in simpler terms than your own quotes.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:06:42 2018 No.12191851

>>12191707
>East Asia has intense pressure from geography to collectivise and develop large, highly centralised hierarchies

The USA doesn't have a high average IQ. If you reread the reply thread you'll notice I was explaining the conditions in East Asia that have resulted in high average IQ. None of those conditions have acted on the USA particularly strongly - it isn't a collectivist state and although it has a strong government it isn't very centralised at all with individual states and corporations also wielding a lot of power across the nation.

If this isn't what you thought was the contradiction I am not sure what you mean. I was explaining why the USA became a powerful country not that it is an high IQ country.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:12:03 2018 No.12191871

>>12191851
Look, you are presenting two symmetrically opposite narratives as reasons for national success. If you still can't see problem with that I can't help you, nobody can. I'm presenting one.

>USA doesn't have a high average IQ
Not anymore, but its founding stock has.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:16:49 2018 No.12191892

>>12191707
>>12191851
To reiterate the USA is not successful because of its traditions, science, or a uniquely gifted population. It was just able to gain a large amount of power with disproportionately ease due to a good alignment of geography and external politics.

Today is basically still coasting thanks to that early head start to some degree but as its growth slows down it is becoming more belligerent and militaristic to hold on to its power and influence.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:23:29 2018 No.12191913

>>12191871
I never said anything about America being a success, just powerful in an imperialistic way. I'll be honest though I never realised you were such a brainlet so this must all be hard to follow.

>Not anymore, but its founding stock has.
The USA's founders were basically identical to Europeans of the time.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:28:26 2018 No.12191941

>>12191913
>I never said anything about America being a success, just powerful in an imperialistic way.
Semantics. Fuck you fucking irritating piece of shit.

>The USA's founders were basically identical to Europeans of the time.
Exactly. "Bascially"? They were Europeans, more accurately germanic (anglo-saxons are germanic). Mexico and Brazil couldn't keep up with USA while Canada could because of their racial component that has less IQ despite all four being originally colonies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:37:23 2018 No.12191971 Didn't Gould throughly BTFO this book almost three decades ago? Why are you still reading it?

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:38:27 2018 No.12191974

>>12191941
Why do you think success and power are equivalent?

Why do you think Mexico and Brazil are exempt from geography?

I am not saying races are all equally suited to the same things but you see ghosts of race wherever you look. You're a slave to it.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:45:56 2018 No.12191997

>>12191974
Because differences between races and their intelligence yields consistent explanatory power. In science, that makes a good theory beyond hypothesis. You purposefully disregard all that because of your ideology. It's you who are slave here, stupid brainwashed parrot, tripping on own narratives and desperately grasping at semantics, now even attempting poor effort at socratic method.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:52:52 2018 No.12192028

>>12191892
>It was just able to gain a large amount of power with disproportionately ease due to a good alignment of geography and external politics

Well said! Keep in mind that the majority of plebs are not going to acknowledge this fact because it goes against their core beliefs. But keep up the good fight!

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:59:10 2018 No.12192057

>>12191997
Bro I hate identity politics and this fetishistic obsession with race and diversity, but you are buying into it with as much gusto as the people you hate.

I would also like to hear your explanation for how historic civilisations in India, Egypt, Middle East, etc all eclipsed those of Europe in science and living standards for large portions of history.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 18:02:40 2018 No.12192073 >>12191971 >Gould >I'm a Jew and love niggers so all races are equal Oh there goes his entire argument

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 18:20:26 2018 No.12192135 >>12191662 what do you mewan waste money you retard, granted you are the ones who earned your grades in highschool, you earn the privilege of joing the school, thats the criteria for ability, the rest is chracter

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 18:21:28 2018 No.12192139 >>12191971 more like based yankees fan from queens, fuck outta here you queef

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 18:27:10 2018 No.12192165

>>12192057
Not him, but the answer is that evolution happens much faster than popularly conceived. Genes for greater intelligence are mostly present in all populations, they just might not be at the same frequency. Change the selection pressures such that intelligence becomes a necessity to have children survive to adulthood, and those genes can sweep to high frequencies in a short period of time - 10-20 generations. You get downward mobility - the sons of successful bankers become farmers, the sons of successful farmers become labourers. The sons of labourers die in the gutter. Upward mobility in a society means successful people aren't having enough children.
The intelligence of a civilisation therefore depends on how high the fertility reward is for that trait, and for how long you can maintain those circumstances.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 18:29:35 2018 No.12192176

>>12191662
>all we want to do is sort people into jobs by aptitude
Literally no jobs exist where IQ = aptitude except those where a high degree of learning is also needed.

You're probably the same kind of cretin who thinks having an IQ over 140 means you could walk into CERN and do an theoretical physicists job for them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 18:37:37 2018 No.12192207 >this threads still going brainlets

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 18:42:12 2018 No.12192224

>>12192165
I hope you realise that was a rhetorical question.

At a basic level you are correct though, but conditions need to be stable for an uncommonly long time and this still doesn't not fit the racial narrative presented by [not you]. The conditions that reward intelligence are found mostly in urbanised, highly stratified societies and to reach that point certain geographic catalysts are necessary.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 19:02:47 2018 No.12192364

>>12192176
IQ predicts aptitude in pretty much all jobs, including manual labor.
>You're probably the same kind of cretin who thinks having an IQ over 140 means you could walk into CERN
No. I'd think it's probably worthwhile for 10-15% of the best students to continue studying academically, but for the rest it's a wasteful time having fun and getting an expensive bit of paper (excluding those doing a course that leads directly to a career path, i.e. nursing or architecture).

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 19:32:44 2018 No.12192489

>>12192224
>The conditions that reward intelligence are found mostly in urbanised, highly stratified societies and to reach that point certain geographic catalysts are necessary.
Urbanisation and stratification of society are part of it certainly, but you also want low levels of endogamy and low nepotism. Part of what is holding back much of the muslim world at the moment is incredibly high levels of cousin marriage and tribalism. If you're smart but have no family connections to get a good job it doesn't matter how stable your society is you're not likely to pass on many of your genes.
There's probably a lot of other factors that contribute. I.e. some mechanism for reducing the fertility of those on the bottom of society - lack of welfare, a big discrepancy in sanitation between rich and poor etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 19:36:56 2018 No.12192519 High IQ behaviour is typically distinguished by spending hours of one's free time on an anonymous message board arguing with strangers about why it's scientifically justified to commit hate crimes

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 19:40:22 2018 No.12192533 >>12192519 Hate crimes don't exist, they are social construct. IQ exists and race is strong predictor for that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 19:40:56 2018 No.12192537 >>12192519 keked too hard

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 19:41:25 2018 No.12192541

>>12192519
p.s. "Race realism" "racialism" and "human biodiversity" or whatever you sadsacks are calling it these days is racial idolatry; it denies the ultimate truth of the lord God and instead props up the worship of genetic purity as the only religion deserving devotion.

The Bell Curve is anti-biblical, discard it and go to church

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 19:47:12 2018 No.12192568

>>12192533
>IQ exists and race is strong predictor for that.
Intelligence is irrelevant in the public sphere. The smartest and simplest people are all born with the souls given to them by our God, and thus deserve all the rights and responsibilities that come from and are assigned by God to his children

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 20:12:01 2018 No.12192691 >>12192519 >hate crime >>>/r/eddit

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 20:24:45 2018 No.12192765 >>12192691 must have struck a nerve

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 20:41:56 2018 No.12192876 >>12192765 How do you figure that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 20:42:48 2018 No.12192882 >>12192876 you keep replying to my posts lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 20:55:14 2018 No.12192953 >>12192882 Good one LMAO XD.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 21:44:58 2018 No.12193249 >>12192953 not mad

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 21:58:17 2018 No.12193337 >>12193249 Why are you deflecting, redditer?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 23:17:50 2018 No.12193711 >>12186212 That is S.O.P. on this board. Most don't read, just regurgitate reviews or sound bites they have heard, all based shitposting of no significance. After all, this IS 4chinz

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 23:20:06 2018 No.12193724 >>12186363 you can take an IQ test 10 times, and get 10 different scores.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 23:33:55 2018 No.12193785 >>12185975 Look up correlation of iq and life outcomes retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 23:46:17 2018 No.12193845 >230 replies /lit/ really is an easy board to troll post some right wing meme book or ayn rand and you retards go insane

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 23:54:10 2018 No.12193887 >>12193845 /lit/ is a pleasant board, the only problem is the /pol/ squatters who get mad when their echo chamber is disrupted

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 23:57:32 2018 No.12193900 >>12185571 >>12190193 >>12190682 IQ is normally distributed by design. fucking retards. you guys have to be trolling.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 23:59:11 2018 No.12193907

>>12191354
>are you fucking retarded asians had dynasties and ancient civilzations thousands years ago, with multiple contributing inter cultures a head start on all humanity to learn how to collectiveexcel with an intense culture of discipline, finns from harsher climtes structure organize faster and better with time these groups all leech on the headstartf from ancestors you absolute frucking brainlet
sounds like the harsh environment selected for higher IQ people out of a necessity to innovate

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 00:02:26 2018 No.12193921

>>12191971
Not even close. Gould was such an embarrassing hack when it came to debunking race science that he discredited himself when people actually dug up the skulls measured by "racist anthropologist" from dusty archives, only to find that their cranial volumes were measured 100% correct in the first place. The only mismeasurement of man was performed by Gould in his zealous and defamatory crusade to prove that all races are the same.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 00:28:51 2018 No.12194009 >>12193887 Delusional tourist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 01:14:32 2018 No.12194151 >>12185334 CIA propaganda.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 01:45:41 2018 No.12194221 >>12193724 thread/

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 01:53:59 2018 No.12194243 did the mods burn the other thread?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 01:55:01 2018 No.12194246 >>12194243 talking about gould

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 02:53:17 2018 No.12194360 >>12193921 Lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 03:50:26 2018 No.12194433 >>12193887 >just /pol/ /pol/ AND r/philosophy young man. 4chan as a whole is essentially reddit's petri dish

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 07:05:19 2018 No.12194766

Funny seeing people disagree with Murray's points in this thread with no facts, just emotion.

Overall, public rebuttals to the Bell Curve have been very weak. A popular one is to claim the samples used were tainted or too small or whatever. This of course would be a valid claim if every other major study/test showed a DIFFERENT result... Yet guess what? The following tests with correlation to IQ all show similar results to Murrays.

LSAT, GRE, SAT, ASVAB. These tests have sample sizes in the MILLIONS, and still the same difference between races show.

I want to specifically talk about the LSAT results. First of all, unlike the SAT, people who take the LSAT are at minimum bachelor graduates. Typical excuses of a poor upbringing, raised by a single mother, etc cannot be realistically applied here. Secondly, and most damning, is how the test itself is created. A full team of university professors, statisticians, and others use numerous tools to ensure the test is fair and equal. If question #49 has men scoring correctly 20% more than females, the question is thoroughly tested and analyzed is just one example (and may be tossed).

Here's a video of the former chair of the Law School Admissions Council discussing this topic. In the video he mentions how NO MATTER WHAT THEY TRIED, black students scored on average lower than whites with all variables held constant. Here's an exact quote from the video.

"The real question, no one has an answer to it. Why then do you have a score scale differential between whites and blacks who have the same Undergrad gpa, the same socioeconomic status, who've gone to the same schools, and have the same major? We don't know. No ones knows. and if I knew, i'd win the Nobel prize. I'm serious! If I knew i'd tell you and i'd fix it."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c

So overall, i'm curious as to what EXACTLY people here disagree with?

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 08:00:33 2018 No.12194875 File: 405 KB, 1427x701, lol.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12185334 Probably pic related hahahahaahahah

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 10:28:44 2018 No.12195412 >>12194875 Except /pol/ acknowledges Jews score higher on IQ tests. The left can’t meme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 10:37:11 2018 No.12195449 >>12195412 >>>/pol/195864649 this thread says other wise

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 11:00:09 2018 No.12195553
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>>12195449
It seems that thread supports both of our arguments. Almost like /pol/’s not one person. But if I may be honest with you for a minute, Anon – is it alright if I call you “Anon”? – I just don’t care. I just don’t give a fuck about trying to change your mind or win the argument. I think most blacks, or “niggers” as they’re sometimes known, are borderline medically retarded and would never have left the Stone Age if not for Arabs and Europeans coddling them. I think most Jews, or “kikes” as they’re sometimes known, are deceitful subverters who will always be a net negative to the society they inhabit (though perhaps infect is a better way to put it) no matter the reality of whether they really are smarter than whites or not. I also think this is where we should end our correspondence, though I will be gracious enough to grant you the right to a reply of fifty words or less.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 11:01:16 2018 No.12195562 >>12195553 >Almost like /pol/’s not one person. You're the one that implied that though >>12195412

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 11:03:36 2018 No.12195573 >>12195562 You’re welcome.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 11:05:14 2018 No.12195581 >>12195573 /Pol/ status: owned

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 11:06:43 2018 No.12195588 >>12195581 When you own /pol/tards epic style. Dank!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 11:11:55 2018 No.12195613 >>12195553 Both of your belief are unfounded. Some africains immigrants are extremly succesful while so much bullshit has been peddled against jews that I'm convinced that antosemitism is, in part, massive projections.

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>>12195613
Do you spend much time around black people, Anon? As for Jews, well have you seen the list of places they’ve been kicked out of; they can’t all have been unfounded.

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>>12195643
Sorry but if those are your arguments I'm going to have to dab away.

Jews were a middleman minority for modt of history and had a strong culture you can't just say all those case were foubded either.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 15:13:52 2018 No.12196574 >>12186363 It is a poorly adjusted 8 year old who takes any form of standardised test seriously

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 15:52:40 2018 No.12196720 >>12191701 Thing is, phrenologists were just making shit up.

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 15:57:28 2018 No.12196747

Despite its reputation, the book is rather careful in its arguments. In 2018, the vast majority of its claims are at the same or a better level of support than when it was written.

It also claims much less than what people think ti does. It does not claim black people are genetically inferior; in fact, it doesn't really talk about black people all that much.

It does, however, claim that intelligence is 1. heritable, 2. a major contributor to life success.

As Murray himself hints at, this means you can't really blame (or praise) people for their lot in life.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:02:36 2018 No.12197032 >>12193724 And the average of those 10 times is your score.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:04:04 2018 No.12197037 >>12196747 https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2018/may/02/why-genetic-iq-differences-between-races-are-unlikely

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:06:31 2018 No.12197051 >>12186474 yeah maybe because it is fucking illegal for companies funny how the army is still allowed to do it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:06:59 2018 No.12197053 >>12197037 >Because most random mutations that affect intelligence will reduce it, evolution will tend to select against them. only if intelligence is being selected for what a fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:08:27 2018 No.12197062 >>12193724 No, you can't. An online IQ test is not a real IQ test. A real IQ test requires a trained psychologist/psychiatrist and takes several hours.

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:14:36 2018 No.12197093

>>12197037
These are all reasonable-sounding arguments and admirably careful and non-hysteric for a newspaper article, but they're fundamentally rather weak compared to the decades of actual scientific research on the topic (much of which is summarized in the bell curve). This is not a question of how plausible the arguments sound; this is a question of 1. running mathematical models, 2. measurement.

If you read the scientific literature (the whole of it - not just selected, one-sided take-downs), you will find neither approach has conclusively proved racial differences in the biological substrate of intelligence; nor disproved them; but they are still very much on the table, and some respected and smart scholars consider them possible.

>>12197053
IQ was strongly selected for in all human populations. That's why all human populations are much smarter than any animal.
(It might however be that it was somewhat more strongly selected for in particular times or places.)

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:17:42 2018 No.12197106 >>12194766 still waiting for a response to this /lit/

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:38:18 2018 No.12197197 >>12197053 off yourself >>12197093 its not a newspaper, kevin mitchell is a leading neurogeneticist, he just had a book come out i believe called innate endorsed by by the scientific communiy even Pinker, if you care for name drops

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:43:51 2018 No.12197236 >>12197197 that article is complete trash, utterly fucking worthless, and so are you if you dont see that

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:47:11 2018 No.12197247

>>12197197
The Guardian is indeed a newspaper. That the writer has also written scientifically on the topic does not change that fact.

The person you want to ask for this kind of question is not a neurogeneticist, but a behavioral geneticist or an evolutionary biologist.

That said, I already said the argument is reasonable sounding, and the conclusion may well be true. I also said it does not run very far, and hinted at why. Why are you listing the credentials of the author as if that were a sufficient response?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:48:31 2018 No.12197251 >>12197236 How is it "trash"? It's a decent presentation of some speculative ideas of why racial differences in intelligence may not be possible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:49:21 2018 No.12197255 >>12197247 >the argument is reasonable sounding It's not. It's gibberish. He just says 'it's very unlikely that such pressures existed'. No argument backing it up whatsoever, no mention of the extremely different climates in Eurasia and Africa

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 17:59:20 2018 No.12197302

>>12197255
He has an argument. Go back and read it again.

He is arguing that intelligence is 1. to a significant extent genetic, 2. highly polygenic, 3. with variation reflecting mutational load instead of selection, as it is advantageous for humans in any environment. And so on. You can go into the specifics and criticise any of these claims - and I would; I don't think the argument is particularly strong; but it clearly is an argument, not just gibberish.

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:13:28 2018 No.12197372

>>12197247
im saying that he is not one with the newspaper, its a platform, obvi guardian is a new oulet

i don't agree with that, and i am starting to see you have no idea what those different occupations do

the difference for mitchell and murray is that one is actually open to being wrong, the other fuels a whole political campaign to quarantine the nation from each other in quartered groups, and the brainlets flock

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:15:13 2018 No.12197377 >>12197372 This post is so incredibly dishonest it should be in a textbook about doublethink

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:17:52 2018 No.12197388

>>12197255
the argument also emphasizes that there is a mass inaccurate perception of intelligence in that it is not "There is no dedicated genetic module “for intelligence” that can be acted on independently by natural selection – not without affecting many other traits at the same time, often negatively."

and that "We need to get away from thinking about intelligence as if it were a trait like milk yield in a herd of cattle, controlled by a small, persistent and dedicated bunch of genetic variants that can be selectively bred into animals from one generation to the next. It is quite the opposite – thousands of variants affect intelligence, they are constantly changing, and they affect other traits. It is not impossible for natural selection to produce populations with differences in intelligence, but these factors make it highly unlikely."

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:17:55 2018 No.12197389

>>12197372
>i don't agree with that, and i am starting to see you have no idea what those different occupations do
You are swinging from your ab auctoritate to an ad hominem here.

>the difference for mitchell and murray is that one is actually open to being wrong, the other fuels a whole political campaign to quarantine the nation from each other in quartered groups, and the brainlets flock
I don't understand what you mean here.

Look - your newspaper article, as I already said, is fairly decent, for a newspaper article. However, it is only one small contribution to a highly contentious, two-sided debate. And it is far from the last, or even a particularly important or well-made, word.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:18:57 2018 No.12197392 >>12197377 right thats why you are so gung ho about an issue that is inconclusive

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:19:26 2018 No.12197395 >>12197388 Everything he says is a complex way of saying 'we just can't know it's too complicated' instead of looking at the actual data

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:20:53 2018 No.12197401

>>12197388
Highly polygenic faculties can clearly be the targets of evolutionary selection. The trivial evidence for this is that it already WAS: humans evolved to have much higher intelligence than other animals.

The author is, in essence, proving way too much - he is proving that intelligence cannot evolve. Well, how did we get to be so smart then?

>>12197395
No, he is not saying that. He is saying it is highly polygenic and universally advantageous.

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:22:12 2018 No.12197409

>>12197401
>universally advantageous.
which is bullshit or our skulls would have just kept growing forever

He mentions height, height is also highly polygenic, highly beneficial, and varies by race. But there are drawbacks as well, same as with selecting for intelligence

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:30:57 2018 No.12197450

>>12197409
You got to make up your mind: is he saying "it's too complicated" (your initial claim), or is he saying "it's polygenic and universally and uniformly advantageous"?

You don't sound like you're thinking before you're arguing. Take a deep breath. Don't insult people. You'll become more effective.

Height can be readily argued to be different (not uniformly advantageous): it is disadvantageous in nutrient-poor environments. It also increases your likelihood of cancer.

In contrast, intelligence - if we assume it has no cost - is assumed to always raise fitness (at least in our evolutionary past).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:32:42 2018 No.12197454 >>12197450 he's saying a bunch of things to obfuscate and distract from the obvious reality, as do all of his ilk

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:33:57 2018 No.12197460 >>12197450 >if we assume it has no cost i assume youre retarded

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:38:19 2018 No.12197474

>>12197460
I proposed a hypothetical. If you cannot entertain a hypothetical without resorting to insults, we can do without: if, as Mitchell credibly proposes, variance in intelligence results from mutational load (something also accepted by hardcore hereditarians like Greg Cochran), then an assumed cost is not the primary factor in the equation.

>>12197454
Now that is not an argument. It might well be true, but it is not countering argument with argument.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:40:35 2018 No.12197485 >>12197474 you proposed a retarded hypothetical how could something have no cost?

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:45:18 2018 No.12197508

>>12197485
Why shouldn't (variance in) intelligence have no cost? Is there evidence intelligence is primarily restricted by energy usage? No; the correlation between brain size and intelligence is only .4, and the correlation between brain size and energy usage is also below 1. It is rather more plausible drift under relaxed selection is a substantially stronger contribution than glucose metabolism savings.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:47:34 2018 No.12197522 >>12197508 for a given brain size maybe, but races do not have the same brain sizes and people within races do not have the same brain sizes

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:52:33 2018 No.12197537

>>12197522
You really need to read up on the research. Energy usage is NOT assumed to be the primary driver of variance in intelligence. In fact, leading theories on the neural substrates of intelligence propose more intelligent brains are more efficient (i.e., use less energy). See here for an introduction: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/019188699390206I

Either way, this was a HYPOTHETICAL. It does not matter if it is true or false. The point is that height is not universally and uniformly advantageous, whereas intelligence per se is (or was, in our evolutionary past).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:55:08 2018 No.12197552 >>12197537 >whereas intelligence per se is why would you think this were true? It's not true today

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:57:55 2018 No.12197567

>>12197552
Under what scenario would the trait of being less intelligent be a reproductive advantage in our evolutionary past?

Also, I am getting a bit tired of you simply leaving threads hanging. You seemingly do not know the literature on metabolic correlates of intelligence. And yet, you have called me retarded - multiple times, at that. Can you give me any indication your next responses will be coherent and constructive?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 19:07:33 2018 No.12197611 >>12197062 >requires a trained psychologist/psychiatrist Why would I trust people with <90 IQs?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 19:10:23 2018 No.12197621 >>12197611 If you don't trust <90IQ people, you better stop eating food. And psychiatrists have MDs and thus usually IQs of 120, 130+.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 19:30:25 2018 No.12197691 >>12193900 Learn to read, idiot

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 19:33:13 2018 No.12197696 gene editing will btfo /pol/ whitey gonna be mad as hell when he has to compete with big black iq hahaha

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:39:41 2018 No.12197910 >>12197696 oh fuuuck

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