/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12181600]

Brazilianons, I need your help.
Saraiva and Cultura are going down, Book Depository doesn't ship to Brazil, the transportation cost is too high to buy directly from small sites. Is Amazon the only option?
I would like to buy a few books in English, do you need to pay that R$15 tax on books too?
What are the chances a book will get those random giant taxes the customs' supervisors like to create? Asking 900 reais on a 40 reais book like they do with clothes or small stuff.

[Anonymous No.12181610]

Are Brazilians even human? Whenever you see them they're going HUE HUE HUE or acting like jungle savages. Even the whiter ones seem a little "off," like they have savage bunga bunga blood and might start biting you.

[Anonymous No.12181987]

I always find a lot of good books on ebay with free worldwide shipping. Estante Virtual also has an impressive catalog of books in english, I bought quite a few there. I don't know how Amazon imports work.

I don't know if things will change in the next year, I heard some rumours that books would start getting taxed too, but up to now I had no problem with it. Last month I received a behemoth of a book, bought on ebay, probably 2 or so kilos, paid R$100 for it, and it didn't get taxed, so I guess books are still fine for now.

>>12181610

We bite gringos to show our love.

[Anonymous No.12182032]

Amazon is legit, but it was only feasible (for me at least) until 3 years ago or so, importing anything is way too expensive now. I never got taxes from books, it seems to be somewhat random. The only instance it happened to me was with a cd I ordered from Japan which cost around 60 R$.

I'll try to make do with small bookstores and sebos now, until something takes Cultura's place. At least I have a lengthy backlog and an ebook reader to pass the time while this shit goes down.

[Anonymous No.12182067]

>>12181987
Thanks, I'll check Estante Virtual.
Does ebay accept boleto?

>>12182032
I have books to last almost two years. But I'm worried because I might move to a town without bookstores and I dislike ebooks. Only Saraiva goes there and spending 40~50 reais just to visit another town to get some books is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.12182111]

>>12181600
What do you mean Saraiva e Cultura are going down?

[Anonymous No.12182145]

>>12182111
they are broke

[Anonymous No.12182149]

>>12182111
https://www.otempo.com.br/capa/economia/com-d%C3%ADvida-de-r-674-milh%C3%B5es-saraiva-pede-recupera%C3%A7%C3%A3o-judicial-1.2071330

[Anonymous No.12182197]

>>12182145
>>12182149
Fuck man. I know they sell YA shit and meme books, but this is bad, soon we will not have physical stores for books. Anyway, i usually buy my books from Amazon, i buy the english ones in the native language, the rest i buy the translated ones. The importation price is getting high tho, bad time to look to learn french, i wanted to read Le Secret De L'Ourse.

[Anonymous No.12182266]

>>12182197
Yeah we are fucked. Between this and the museum burning down it's altogether a low point.

Those two were the only way I had to access physical copies of philosophy and "real" literature in my little cultural wasteland. Unfortunately smaller bookstores have to survive selling exclusively memeshit and self-help.

[Anonymous No.12182285]

>>12182197
>I know they sell YA shit and meme books
What?
I got amazing books from them. Borges, Bolaño, Isabel Allende (no homo), Akutagawa, Cyro dos Anjos, Soseki, Suassuna, Vargas Llosa...

[Anonymous No.12182447]

>>12182285
Indeed they sell good books, they sell all kinds of books. I am sorry for my lack of explanation in my post. A correction will be that they promote fad books, the shallow self-help books, the young adult novels like Percy Jackson and the new "Harry Potter"wannabe, the new female poet that is "crushing down the Patryarchy", and so forth, like they are the must read books of all time. I am not in position to blame them, they need to appeal to a new generation to keep thier business, and they are not writers, they are businessmen. But my point is that lack of literary tradition(wich we from the "developing countries" almost never had) that made them fail, is rooted directly by this business model.

[Anonymous No.12182477]

>>12182266
With the fall of Saraiva and Cultura, the prices of books MAYBE will go up. But i belive they, alongside with amazon, americanas, ebay, and even minor sellers have shared stocks. I belive they'll not get so sparse as it may imply. But for sure the "uncommon" volumes will get more uncommon, hell i am yet to this day to find a copy of The House on The Borderland translated to portuguese, this is quintessential Sci-Fi!

[Anonymous No.12182568]

>>12182477
I'm sure most of what is commonly sold will go on as usual. I'm concerned about never finding another Bataille or Mishima book again, or interesting authors that I only discovered through Cultura, like Schwob and Buzatti. Americanas certainly won't stock that shit, smaller bookstores probably won't too.

As much as it was just a business model designed to sell the impression of a certain lifestyle to certain people, and it's depressing to admit this, it was still the closest to a gathering of people with genuine interest in books most of us ever got. Sometimes the people working there would spontaneously start discussions with you about the author and even recommend some decent stuff on their own in a way that showed genuine interest on their part and not just what the business model dictated. Cultura's employees were often the only people who I could occasionally talk about books. Elsewhere, if you so much ask for Kafka you'll get weird stares.

[Anonymous No.12182572]

At least Estante Virtual still exists

[Anonymous No.12182582]

>>12181600
Books are tax exempt (at least so far) and Book Depository does ship to Brasil, I've purchased there more than once.

[Anonymous No.12182612]

You also have Leitura, Livraria da Travessa and Livrarias Curitiba.

[Anonymous No.12182621]

>>12182447
They need to sell that shit, for fuck's sake. Fiction in Brazil is practically bad, people just like self-help, pop-sci and faux-entrepeneurship shit. We're not alone when it comes to this, it's a global trend pushed by our American friends.

[Anonymous No.12182649]

>>12181600
Lê online ô macaco

[Anonymous No.12182690]

>>12182612
>Leitura
They're going down too.

[Anonymous No.12182719]

>>12182568
I don't like going to physical stores or talk about books irl so i can't relate in whole with you right now but feels bad man.

[Anonymous No.12182736]

>>12182582
>and Book Depository does ship to Brasil
Not anymore.

https://www.otakupt.com/brasil/book-depository-abandona-brasil/

[Anonymous No.12182808]

>>12182582
>>12182690
>>12182736
IT CAN'T KEEP GETTING WORSE.

[Anonymous No.12184416]

>>12182808
It's over.

[Anonymous No.12185286]

In the near future we'll only buy books from each other because the shit laws and taxes will fuck even Amazon.
What a time to be alive.

[Anonymous No.12185298]

>>12181600
You could always use Amazon BR. They have great discounts and usualy are way cheaper than most bookstores.
Saraiva and Cultura are suffering from "terminal monopoly ending syndrome", due to the fact that Amazon has come to Brazil and due to global economy starting to poke consumer goods and investiments more heavely here.
You could check Estante Virtual, they are a reseller "conglomerate", so you should pay attencion to the reseller score and book description, because some of the books are trash due to being used.
I used a lot EV, and never had problems with them, with exeception of one single time, but this was due to the reseller a took being a fag. I also was able to find great books almost brand new for very low prices. One book I bought was like, 120$~150$ on Saraiva, I bought from a reseller for 80$!! And it was in such good condition too.

The rumours you heard are because someone from the PT is making a law to make discount bigger than 10% on books published on the first year being illegalized. This is the simply lobby + leftist mindset of the brazilian left to try stop the massive financial loss of brazilian bookstores and publishers due to them slowly losing their monopoly, because the foreign companys are growing here because of better quality + cheaper price.
Also, lots of brazilian lost the hability to buy books, because of our country being broke. I myself havent bought any for like, months now. So some netloss is because of that too.

>>12185286
Don't worry. It will get better

[Anonymous No.12185310]

São Paulo meetup when?

[Anonymous No.12185317]

>>12185310
In SP? Never i hope.

[Anonymous No.12185463]

>>12181600
eu comprei um kindle por 250 na magazine luiza, baixo tudo do libgen.io

[Anonymous No.12186350]

>>12185310
>>12185317
>bra/lit/ meetup

[Anonymous No.12186390]

Se você for de SP ou tiver como ir para lá, todo final de ano tem na USP a feira do livro, lá você pode comprar direto das editoras com um belo desconto. Eu recomendo, faço minha lista durante o ano e compro tudo que der lá.

https://paineira.usp.br/festadolivro/

[Anonymous No.12186412]

>>12181600
I need your help as well. What's some notable theological works in portuguese?

[Anonymous No.12186810]

>>12186412
Padre Antônio Vieira and Leonardo Boff.

[Anonymous No.12186994]

>>12186810
Any specific works, or just in general? Mas muito obrigado

[Anonymous No.12187024]

>>12182067

>Does ebay accept boleto?

No, you'll need a credit card and a paypal account.

>>12182197

>soon we will not have physical stores for books

This is not so bad desu. Brazilians don't read, and honestly I just enter bookstores nowadays to look for books to buy online when I get home, or because it's comfy. It's been years since last I bought any book there. Cultura has a good catalog of english books, though; too bad they're expensive.

People will just have to do with ebooks eventually. It doesn't win over the pleasure of turning pages, but it's not so bad.

>>12186994

Leonardo Boff is an excommunicated catholic, done so for defending Liberation Theology and criticizing the church, so have that in mind.

[Anonymous No.12187121]

>>12187024
>defending Liberation Theology
Oh..
Do you have anyone else in mind, that might be worth checking out as well?

[Anonymous No.12188193]

>>12186350
>that guy who brings a narguilé and his friend Klébinho every fucking meeting.

This piece of shit should be gunned down in the street like the degenerate he is. I ain't coming again if he is invited, every year the fucko makes the whole room smell like a paraguayan perfume store.