Literature is unironically dead

[Anonymous No.12176877]

Nothing great or important has been written in over a decade now. The tradition is over.

Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.12176883]

I can't. You're right.

[Anonymous No.12176892]

>>12176877
>i don't personally know any examples, therefore it doesn't exist
i haven't listened to a contemporary album for over a decade. i conclude that music is dead

[Anonymous No.12176899]

>>12176892
>album
>judging the state of music by the state of popular music

[Anonymous No.12176910]

Wow a decade literature truly is dead, as is OPie because apparently he is a bug with a life span of 30 years.

[Anonymous No.12176911]

>>12176877
>a decade
lol more like three decades.

Honestly, if you're only a reader this isn't really a problem since there's already more good stuff written than you can read in one lifetime. But anyone trying to write books in 2018 is completely wasting their time.

[Anonymous No.12176913]

>>12176910
So you concede I'm right then?

[Anonymous No.12176919]

>>12176913
I concede my interest in this thread.

[Anonymous No.12176926]

>>12176892
Music is alive and well, but full length albums are a dead format. Similarly, there is plenty of stuff being written, it's just that books have become obsolete.

[Anonymous No.12176933]

>>12176877
Can a book be great without being important? Also I'm betting your standards for 'important' are quite arbitrary.

[yeah i'm fucking saging No.12176937]

You're wrong and I've no need to prove you wrong because it is obvious
if you're posting Evangelion spurdo memes as an op image then I'm not sure who you expect to be taken seriously by anyway
I hate these threads

[Anonymous No.12176938]

Pale King was 2011 you mongrel

[Anonymous No.12176941]

>>12176877
>The tradition is over.
lol'd at that for some reason

[Anonymous No.12176946]

>>12176877
How do you know when a book is great or important? Don't you have to wait for proof of time?

[Anonymous No.12176956]

>>12176946
>it agrees with his worldview
That's.

[Anonymous No.12176963]

>>12176946
No

[Anonymous No.12176967]

>>12176919
And yet...

[Anonymous No.12177037]

>i don't read anything nor even try to look
there is great writing going on all the time, as long as human beings write there will be great and important work done. you are accustomed to being spoonfed all of humankind's achievements over the last 4000 years within the 8 years of reading in high school and college. just because that rate does not continue and no one is spoonfeeding you with a syllabus (complete with analysis and unpacking of allusions and context from your teacher and secondary material) does not mean literature is dead.

rambhadracharya's epic poems, that's all i'm going to mention. there are others, but your pretentious, shit attitude deserves even less than the one i gave

[Anonymous No.12177044]

>>12176946
No because part of the tradition itself is the cultural significance. It’s over.

[Anonymous No.12177073]

>>12177037
>can only offer up second rate work by a literally who
>accuses others of being pretentious

Literature really must be dead.

[Anonymous No.12177077]

>>12177044
By this definition literature becomes subcultural. Based on this, we can conclude that it is not the primary engine of culture, but it is heavily influential to some, many of whom make up the greater culture.
If this is the case then literature is still important to culture as a whole.

[Anonymous No.12177079]

>>12176926
the point
you

[Anonymous No.12177098]

>>12177077
It's about as influential as Opera.

[Anonymous No.12177117]

>>12177044
demonstrably false. kafka burned most of his writing while he was alive. what we have now is only what his friend decided to share with the world against kafka's dying wishes. keats died at the age of 25 believing he was a failure. his poems were not received well at the time by critics. dickinson published only ten poems her whole fucking life and also died in obscurity. kennedy toole was only discovered after his mom got it published after he died. melville also went to the grave believing he was a failure, he sold only about 3200 copies of moby dick during his life. here are others but those are among the more famous cases.

speaking of melville, hawthorned wrote to melville once complaining that the best-selling books were all sentimental trash written by "scribbling women." that was 150 years ago. and yet look at what was written since then, that however much it did not crack the NYT best-seller list, has taken a permanent place on high school syllabi across the anglophone world. tif you're the same guy as OP i am going to reiterate: shit attitude, pretentious. and on top of that you're a pseud. log off 4chan and start fucking reading you godless crank

[Anonymous No.12177157]

>>12177073
>second rate work
you clearly didn't even bother to look into him. they are epic poems with multiple varieties of meter and rhyme, densely allusive, his work synthesizes six traditional types of literature, and some sections revive a 2000 year old style, among other things.

>by a literally who
oh, so it has to be a name you already know for it to possibly be good. i'm fucking done here. your aesthetic dehydration is as self-imposed as it is deserved

[Anonymous No.12177286]

>>12177037
damn that guy was blinded at two months old and memorized the entire fucking gita at the age of five. Now I really feel useless

[Anonymous No.12177291]

>>12176877

Ma Jian - The Dark Road
Ma Jian - Beijing Coma
Nathan Hill - The Nix
Colson Whitehead - The Underground Railroad
Jonathan Franzen - Purity
Thomas Pynchon - Bleeding Edge
Ahmed Saadawi - Frankenstein in Baghdad
Mo Yan - Frog
Haruki Murakami - 1Q84
Min Jin Lee - Pachinko
George Saunders - Lincoln in the Bardo

[Anonymous No.12177378]

>>12177098
That's just not true. Opera lacks relevance partially because of its steep fee to entry. Books, on the other hand, are quite cheap. You would be surprised how many people are directly affected by literature.

[Anonymous No.12177397]

>tfw you realize there will never be a Great American Novel in your lifetime

[Anonymous No.12177404]

>>12176892
Music IS dead, though.

>poetry, novels, music
>millennials continue to kill art by putting zero effort into producing more

[Anonymous No.12177413]

>>12177117
>best-selling books were all sentimental trash written by "scribbling women."

War. War never changes.

[Anonymous No.12177433]

>>12177397
>tfw you won't write the great american novel

[Anonymous No.12177464]

>>12176877
*Ahem*

[Anonymous No.12177507]

>there are no good contemporary write-

[Anonymous No.12177527]

>>12176877
It's dead but that doesn't mean it can
t come back

[Anonymous No.12177579]

this meme is overrated. there was some good stuff but overall the 18th C was slow for literature - few or no GOAT poets, a few good novels but little compared to the 19th C. things seem slow but it will take another 100 years at least to tell if the decline is terminal

[Anonymous No.12177652]

>>12176877
Only time can tell. Moby Dick was forgotten and only rediscovered like 60+ years after it was published.

[Anonymous No.12178068]

>>12176926
>but full length albums are a dead format
I'd say that the situation is the opposite, considering the revival of vinyl.

>>12176877
>year 110
>Nothing great or important has been written in over a decade now. The tradition is over.
>Prove me wrong.

>year 800
>Nothing great or important has been written in over a CENTURY now. The tradition is over.
>Prove me wrong.

>year 1700
>Nothing great or important has been written in over a decade now. The tradition is over.
>Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.12178083]

>>12176877
old = good
new = bad

[Anonymous No.12178101]

>>12177397
are you 12 years old, anon

[Anonymous No.12178310]

>>12176933
This right here. Not to mention you can’t decide what is important in your own time. Needs historical context, hindsight, or the measure of the influence of the work.

[Anonymous No.12178328]

Even if nothing great was written in the past decade, how does that show that the tradition is over? You are implying that there has never been a point in literary history where a decade went by without a great work being written which is another absurd claim.

[Anonymous No.12178334]

>lives in the age with highest level of literacy and most amount of people reading books daily
>HURR BEWKS R DED

[Anonymous No.12178349]

What about knausgaard or that guy in australia who’s like 80 and has never left his town? Murnary or something

[Anonymous No.12178357]

90% of this board never reads anything released in the last 50 years, yet will boldly claim that it's because "nothing great was written". Ability to think critically is something denizens of /lit/ are yet to evolve.

[Anonymous No.12178374]

>>12178101
>Blood Meridian for the Oprah audience
No!

[Anonymous No.12178379]

>>12178357
a large number of people on this board have read 2666 and Submission both of which were released in the last 20 years

[Anonymous No.12178382]

>>12178068
whoa... it keeps happening...

[Anonymous No.12178398]

>>12177117
It’s not a matter of good books being undiscovered or unwritten as there are plenty. It’s a matter of us being in a position where people simply don’t read or discuss literature anymore similar to before we had the printing press. There’s just too many competing options for entertainment. No reason to be so nasty.

[Anonymous No.12178434]

>>12178398
It would probably be better if even less people read. Make the club a little bit more exclusive. That way the masses don’t spread their tendrils and ruin my hobby

[Anonymous No.12178469]

>>12176877
Just because nothing POPULAR or WORLD KNOWN of substance is written doesn't mean smaller authors aren't publishing quality books retard

[Anonymous No.12178481]

>>12176877

Screen arts are literature. They all started out as a script.

[LUL No.12178490]

>>12177291

>Nathan Hill - The Nix
>Jonathan Franzen - Purity
>Thomas Pynchon - Bleeding Edge

[Anonymous No.12178512]

>>12178481
>Screen arts are literature.

but as in literature, the vast majority of movies are trash

[Anonymous No.12178570]

>>12178434
While I understand the logic behind this especially in the age of hyper sensitivity and censure I’d like to discuss books with other people. It hardly ever happens.

[Anonymous No.12178612]

>>12177378
It is true. Opera's lack of relevance has very little to do with how much it costs.
The steep prices are necessary to its survival. If it was cheaper, the whole industry would go under because demand is so low. Pulp fiction and self help are the things that are keeping the publishing industry afloat.

Rates of reading are plummeting and will continue to do so until it joins the likes of Opera and Ballet as exclusive habits of the middle class pseud.

[Anonymous No.12178621]

>>12178469
Your shit self published novel isn't quality anything, your pathetic cunt.

[Anonymous No.12178629]

>>12178469
What happened in your childhood that made you such a hipster pseud?

[Anonymous No.12178637]

>>12177397
Do you know you'll be dying tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.12178651]

>>12177397
>implying anyone really cares about this besides English teachers or newspaper writers

But I agree. Our generation will end up more voiceless than previous ones.

waitin' for that societal collapse.

[Anonymous No.12178901]

Trips and Gen-Z saves art for all humanity

[Anonymous No.12178905]

>>12178901
darn

[Anonymous No.12178915]

>>12176877
>there hasn't been any writing to OP's the past decade
>therefore literature is dead
>what was the dark ages?

[Anonymous No.12178924]

>there hasn't been any writing to OP's standard in the past decade
>literature_is_dead.banic
>what were the dark ages?

[Anonymous No.12178931]

>>12176877
If I get dubs, literature confirmed to be dead.

[Anonymous No.12179029]

>>12178651
It's funny how despite our ability to be heard is greater than it has ever been before, we have used it to say nothing of lasting value.

Well, nothing that we know of at least, it's hard to say what has lasting value at this point in time, since we can't see the aftereffects yet.

[Anonymous No.12179039]

>>12176938
>An unfinished novel by a '90s literary icon (((published))) several years after he an heroed

Maybe if he'd actually completed the thing and it had been good you would have a point.

[Anonymous No.12179051]

>>12176938
unfinished masterpiece tier, questionable

>>12177037
poetry in translation tier, no idea

>>12177291
Mixed bag. Haven't read them all, but that's a bad Murakami and the Saadawi is a failure.

>>12178101
Not my favourite McC, but fair answer.

>>12178612
>Rates of reading are plummeting
Although book sales manage to consistently climb?

[Anonymous No.12179072]

>>12176899
cringe

[Anonymous No.12179085]

>>12177507
this alcoholic goblin is literally the only one

[Anonymous No.12179091]

>>12177291
The underground railroad was only so-so

[Anonymous No.12179095]

>>12178924
Literature was dead in the dark ages

Literature is dead now

Both these things are correct. Literature can be reborn but it will take a huge change in culture. As one technology gave literature eminence (printing press) another set of technologies (the one two three punch of film, television and the internet) have taken it away. There is no telling what the future holds but for now the book is closed.

[Anonymous No.12179102]

>>12179051
>Although book sales manage to consistently climb?
Ask yourself what they're buying.

[Anonymous No.12179127]

>>12177157
>epic poems with multiple varieties of meter and rhyme, densely allusive, his work synthesizes six traditional types of literature, and some sections revive a 2000 year old style, among other things.

sounds *epically* dull and academic wanking hiyo!!!

[Anonymous No.12179131]

>>12179095
>but for now the book is closed.

Soumission was published 3 years ago, on the same day as the Charlie Hebdo attack. This book is as or more culturally relevant than any other piece of art produce in the last 3 years.

[Anonymous No.12179133]

>>12178334
go back to your free amazon romance misspelt cum covered shitstain

[Anonymous No.12179143]

>>12176877
music is dead too
the internet killed everything

[Anonymous No.12179144]

>>12176877
Vidya

[Anonymous No.12179151]

>>12176877
Thats because most important works were obscure as fuck, when books were the primary source of entertainment people read extremely shit stuff just like ya today, but only the best books endure

[Anonymous No.12179162]

>>12176877
it's only ironically dead imo

[Anonymous No.12179180]

>>12177464

this

[Anonymous No.12180357]

>>12179072
wrong