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this kills the ontological reductionist

>> No.12173957

what if it stops tho

>> No.12173963

>>12173957
based

>> No.12173968

>>12173930
Nah, all this does is prove that mathematics is nonsense.

>> No.12173976

>muh Zeno
The universe is composed of particles, not monolithic matter. Fuck off.

>> No.12173985
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>>12173976
>hello neighbor i came over to borrow particles of sugar
>hey bro can you lend me a particle? i'm starving
>fucking chads and staceys and their fucking perfect particles i fucking hate them reeeeee

>> No.12173994

>>12173985
human understanding of and interaction with the universe is moderated via crude heuristics and not good evidence for the nature of reality

>> No.12173999

>>12173985
>I'm colorblind, therefore color doesn't exist.

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>>12173994
>The universe is composed of particles, not monolithic matter.
"it depends... ... it depends on what your meaning of 'is'... is."

eyeroll.jpg

>> No.12174054

>>12173976
get better instruments, it's made of waves I tell you bro

>> No.12174154

>>12173930
This paradox assumes an infinitely divisible distance and a finite timeframe, which we really can't assume.

>> No.12174211 [DELETED] 

>>12173930
>>12173957
not cool, bro.

>> No.12174212
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>>12173930 (OP)
>>12173957
not cool, bro.

>> No.12174215

>>12174054
waves and particles are just fields interacting yo

>> No.12174240

>>12173999

You do realize that the qualia of color is not inherent to the object being perceived? A human with normal vision does not see things more ''realer'' than the color blind person, only that which the construction of their organism allows them to qualitatively experience in their umwelt.

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>>12174240
they absolutely do, people with full colour vision are able to distinguish a greater spectrum of wavelengths. It's why this test works

>> No.12174249

>>12174245
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision

>Nothing categorically distinguishes the visible spectrum of electromagnetic radiation from invisible portions of the broader spectrum. In this sense, color is not a property of electromagnetic radiation, but a feature of visual perception by an observer.

>> No.12174255

>>12174249
but colourblindness is an inability to distinguish various wavelengths. Regardless of (((qualia)))

>> No.12174270

>>12174249
better range and granularity of perception equals greater appreciation of reality

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12174281

Don't have anything to contribute, but this thread has potential. That's quite rare for neo-/lit/. Thanks for trying anons.

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12174292

the universe is diffraction, sis, not "things"

>> No.12174295

>>12174255
>>12174270
Go ahead and imagine redness. Note how you can imagine space without redness but cannot imagine a redness that exists in space.
Now go ahead and attempt to imagine that same color and hue of redness, only this imagine it as less so. Note how you can not imagine, or see an instance of redness that is less red than all the other rednesses of that kind.

>> No.12174297

>>12174295
*But cannot imagine a redness that DOES NOT exist in space*

>> No.12174301

>>12174295
youre taking the original comment too literally

>I'm colorblind, therefore color doesn't exist
could be more accurately put as
>I'm colorblind, therefore those wavelengths of light I cannot distinguish are the same

>> No.12174325

>>12174295
you’ve gotten confused somewhere along the way. take a step back from trying to lecture us and instead formulate your thoughts more clearly.

>> No.12174376

>>12174325
If you can't take a step back and tell me why you think I am confused then this response is worthless.
>>12174301
My point is universals are real.

>> No.12174384

>>12174376
no that’s my point

>> No.12174457

>>12173930
>Whoa, we're halfway there...
>Whoa, we're halfway there...
>Whoa, we're halfway there...

>> No.12174460

>>12174384
Aren't you saying that universals like red correlate to reality through the copula of being percieved by an observer? Does that not make them mere correlations? The realist position is that universals correlate to reality as esse in futūro. Like the concept of red, purposes the existence of red in space. The existence of wavelengths that are percieved as red, when and if they are percieved in nature, purposes the existence of red things in nature. Of course this purposed redness has an indeterminate existence. Too imagine red, you need to imagine that it exists as a quality of space, that quality can exist in a full plane of redness, a red triangle, a red zebra, it doesn't matter, the only thing red purposes is it's existence in space. So of course the quality of red may appear different to different observers, but it's reality isn't the quality of existence, it's the existence of something that purposes an indeterminate universal quality like redness. What's real is the proposition, not the conclusion.

>> No.12174471

>>12174154
Sure we can, I just did.

>> No.12174475

this is why STEMfags laugh at you

>> No.12174486

>>12174460
red is a band of em wavelengths. something being red means that it reflects, emits, transmits some part of that band of wavelengths. it’s an emergent property of a bunch of atoms that have orbital bandgaps that correlate to an energy which correlates to wavelength(s) within the aforementioned red band.

>> No.12174490

>>12174457
kekk

>>12174475
thats true. I'm a mathfag internally chuckling at these mathlets

>> No.12174492
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12174492

>That 25 year old kuffar who believes the dunya is real

>> No.12174507

>>12174486
No, that's just the kind of sign vessel that the purposed quality of redness is carried in.
>>12174490
>>12174475
How is calc 2 going sport?

>> No.12174526

>>12174507
>no that’s just red

>> No.12174543

>>12174526
>Propositions are literally the utterances that express them

>> No.12174546

>>12174543
correct

>> No.12174549

>>12174546
Quite dummy

>> No.12174551

>>12174549
continue jerking yourself to circular logic

>> No.12174570

>>12174551
>Propositions are the utterances that express them
>Propositions purpose what they are purposed with
>The premise is the conclusion

>> No.12174584

>>12174551
>>12174570
>The conclusion is the premise
>The premise purposes the premise, which purposes the conclusion that is the premise.

>> No.12174609

>>12173957
what if it doesn't?

>> No.12174698

>>12174471
Which we really can't do while realistically claiming to have any credible ground in our perceived version of the physical reality*

>> No.12174764

>>12173957
>>12173963
lol

>> No.12174769

>>12174245
This is just a collection of circles obscuring text that says you're a fag

>> No.12174986

>>12174492
YOu best start believing in dunya....you're in it....

>> No.12174989

>>12173930
>this
no baby western epistemology did that like three hundred years ago.

>> No.12175013

>>12173930
google "supertask"

>> No.12175672
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>>12173930
>object-oriented ontology

>> No.12175825

>>12175672
zeno probably used unity

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>>12175672
>finite-state ontology
>ontology with pointers
>ontology++
>visual ("block") ontology
>proprietary ontology languages
>structured query ontology
>functional ontology
>statistical ontology

>> No.12176966

>>12174769
>he passed the fag test

>> No.12177003

>>12175672
How is overmining and undermining objects good? Object-oriented philosophy is the glorious return of Platonism. The objects and their forms persist - if they didn’t they’d just immediately dissolve into everything or wouldn’t just stand in for something else, a bigger system of relations, which is neglect.

Based Graham Harman.

>> No.12177045

>>12174255
Triple parentheses on qualia might be the funniest thing I've read all week holy shit

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>>12174457
My fucking sides.

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>>12173930
>disregarding what the measurements are relative to
>no applicable use to any of them
>???
>btfo

>> No.12179225

>>12176966
It reads: "I'm a fag"
That means he's gay not me
... r-right?

>> No.12179230

>>12177003
[Desire to know more intensifies]