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12155517 No.12155517 [Reply] [Original]

You don't subvocalize.. right, anon?

>> No.12155523

>>12155517
you’re just kidding yourself if you think you don’t subvocalize

>> No.12155534

Every reader subvocalizes

>> No.12155540

>>12155517
Nope, I always read out loud - comme un Tchad

>> No.12155563

>>12155523
>>12155534
>I am a subhuman brainlet, so everyone else is to
galactic cope

>> No.12155572

>>12155563
Research it—you’re subvocalizing

>> No.12155580

>>12155572
wrong and mad

>> No.12155599

>>12155580
Minimize it, yes; but you’re still moving the larynx and other muscles
This inner speech is characterized by minuscule movements in the larynx and other muscles involved in the articulation of speech. Most of these movements are undetectable (without the aid of machines) by the person who is reading.

>> No.12155658

>>12155599
>but you’re still moving the larynx and other muscles
wrong

i read insanely fast because i do not

am i going to have to do MRI studies and publish in order to prove you fucking retards wrong

>> No.12155666

>>12155658
Yes
Tiny movements in your larynx etc.

>> No.12155692

>>12155658
dude, who cares
do you enjoy the books? that's all that matters

>> No.12155703

>>12155666
sorry about your low bandwidth brain, but I do not subvocalize and read incredibly fast.

>>12155692
I read academic work. It's insanely, incredibly helpful. It's better than being born rich.

>> No.12155708

Are you kidding me? Of course I don't subvocalize, I only read the way Grown men do: aloud. I also have several different voices, one for each character and a general one for the narrator. I have a portable podium at home with a step and everything, so I get up on it, lay the book against it and start reading.

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12155709

Not to mention that I learn foreign languages several times faster than normies

I can't even imagine what it must be like to be a perpetual child who has to constantly say everything in his head

even the cuntworthless shitposts on this god forsaken hellhole have to be read aloud by subbies

>> No.12155717

>>12155703
do you think you have the same level of understanding of the texts you read? genuinely asking
do you know if there are any techniques to stop subvocalizing, or to know whether or not you do?

>> No.12155763

>>12155709
Speed read this:
“Another debunked claim of speed-readers is that suppressing the little voice reading along inside our head (known as subvocalization) can effectively help us process text faster. But subvocalization plays an important role in word identification and comprehension, and even people who read at 720 words per minute still generate subvocalizations.”

https://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/16352/speed-reading-does-not-work/

>> No.12155767

Conclusion?
“The take-home lesson from efforts to increase our reading speed is to question whether speed-reading is a healthy aspiration at all. Speed-readers don’t see what’s on the page; they read what they want to see, which perhaps explains why the practice continues to thrive. It must feel very good to devour a whole book in a few seconds and discover it only said what you already thought anyway. But that’s pretty much the opposite of learning.”

>> No.12155787

>>12155763
>worthless clickbait
lmao come back with some acual science in the future kiddo

>> No.12155795

what is subvocalizing exactly? lip-reading or mouthing the words, or is it reading it internally with whatever voice??

>> No.12155800

I do, but less and less as time goes on. I've noticed that my reading speed increases while the words in my head don't, so the first few words of every sentence get subvocalized and blur together. I don't even notice it anymore unless I look for it. I suppose it's just something you grow out of.

>> No.12155806

>>12155787
It’s cited in the article:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1529100615623267

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>>12155763

>> No.12155812

>>12155709

Still no gf though.

>> No.12155813

>>12155795
OP means he reads words without any movement of his voice box (larynx)

>> No.12155825

>>12155810
It links to the scientific literature, Mr Speed Reader:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1529100615623267

>> No.12155827

>people still responding to this shitty bait

>> No.12155831

>>12155540
the virgin subvocalizer vs the chad supervocalizer

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>>12155709

>> No.12155864

>>12155517
Reminder all literature is written intended for subvocalisation

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>>12155825

>> No.12155873

>he can't switch between subvocalising and not subvocalising
Subvocalise for books, don't subvocalise for the Internet. For non fiction it depends if it's completely academic or if there is still an authorial voice - if the latter, then subvocalise.
But whatever you do do not fall for the meme of only being able to speed read because that cripples your enjoyment of books. You cannot speed read Ulysses and get its full worth - even something easy like Lolita loses virtually everything if you don't subvocalise. But at the same time don't be a Literal child who subvocalises 4chan posts (apparently people do that)

>> No.12155884

>>12155825
nice, i'm going to speedread that.

>> No.12155905

>>12155827
This has to be bait
Derrida started by writing for Tel Quel, which advanced the physical properties of words
It’s fun to vocalize, but there’s no reading actual words without minute movements in your voice muscles
You can minimize it, though

>> No.12155923

>>12155884
It’s a scientific abstract, no need to speed read:
“The current article reviews what the scientific community knows about the reading process—a great deal—and discusses the implications of the research findings for potential students of speed-reading training programs or purchasers of speed-reading apps. The research shows that there is a trade-off between speed and accuracy. It is unlikely that readers will be able to double or triple their reading speeds (e.g., from around 250 to 500–750 words per minute) while still being able to understand the text as well as if they read at normal speed. If a thorough understanding of the text is not the reader’s goal, then speed reading or skimming the text will allow the reader to get through it faster with moderate comprehension. The way to maintain high comprehension and get through text faster is to practice reading and to become a more skilled language user (e.g., through increased vocabulary). This is because language skill is at the heart of reading speed.“

>> No.12155938

sometimes

>> No.12155946

>>12155938
i wish i were an angel

>> No.12156304

>>12155923
i was talking about the entire article, seems pretty interesting

>> No.12156369

>>12155517
Light reading, no, heavy reading, yes

>> No.12156428

>>12155563
*too

>> No.12156567

>>12155517
Of course I do. I'm no pleb.

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12156582

subvocalize this

>> No.12156625

>>12156582
cuanmistwuath

>> No.12156668

>>12155767
>It must feel very good to devour a whole book in a few seconds and discover it only said what you already thought anyway. But that’s pretty much the opposite of learning.”
Implying I have a stable psychological state rooted in a safe and good-enough early childhood
Implying I am an impartial Seeker of Truth™ and not some tortured soul looking for a quiet port.

>> No.12156850

>>12156668
Huh?
Science says your non-vocalized reading is imaginary.

>> No.12157045

>>12155517
My voice is too beautiful not to!

>> No.12157055

>>12157045
post vocaroo

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12157089

I read aloud complete with accents and emotional speech. Master and Margarita is becoming quite a fun read

>> No.12157205

>>12155658
You're in denial.

>> No.12157213

>>12155709
>>12155787
You are a stupid, emotionally stunted man who has enclosed himself in a shell of bitterness and toxicity. Failure to break out of this shell will result in spiritual death and increasingly self-destructive tendencies. Unless you change, you are going to die alone, and terrified.

>> No.12157854

>>12157213

You are a judgmental asshole with zero empathy. I can tell bybthe way you write that you are a selfish jerk with nothing to offer to the world. Never post again. Leave this board and never return because you so nothing but put others down.

>> No.12157866

>>12157854
>Leave this board and never return because you so nothing but put others down
This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

>> No.12157870

>>12157854
you are not denying his initial assertion. I pity you.

>> No.12157891

>>12155540
>>12155708
>>12157089
came to post this

>> No.12157892

>>12157213
This hits too close to home. At least that other guy can read fast.

>> No.12157915

>>12157892
You are right. I was harsh, needlessly so.

>> No.12157920

I never subvocalized. I started reading out loud like any other kid until my mum told me to do it in my head one time and that was that. I don't get the subvocalizing meme.

>> No.12157937

>>12155517
I don't subvocalize and I didn't even know it was a thing until I was in middle school.
I read around 1,200 wpm for those curious.

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12157948

>mfw I stutter even when I subvocalize

>> No.12157960

>>12157937
nobody "reads" at 1200 wpm

>> No.12157964

>>12155517
>Not doing the voices when reading
>Not doing the hand twirls and speech impediments when reading Johnson
Plebs

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>>12157213
Based

>> No.12158511

>not reading with the speed and intonation the author intended.

how can you ignore the natural speed of the scenes and the general ductus of a book? how could you ever appreciate a slow book while speed reading?

>> No.12158523

>>12155658
>i read insanely fast because i do not
That's a gay way to say "skim"

>> No.12158525

>>12158511
Based

>> No.12159038

>>12157960
I do with good comprehension.

>> No.12159043

>>12155540
>>12155831
based

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12159877

Depends on what I'm reading. Good fiction? Yes. Bad fiction? No. Non-fiction? No. Academic Biology research papers? Hell no. I also don't subvocalize words I've never seen before.

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12160677

many youvotes from angry brainlets

>> No.12160681

>>12155873
it's literally impossible to not be able to subvocalize, even people who almost never do it, like me, can still do it on command.

>> No.12160685

>>12157937
based, my kindred non-subbie brother

i also read around that speed.

>> No.12160710

>>12155517
I always read out loud dramatically in public places

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>>12155709
>hehehe I'm so smart.

>> No.12161114

I'm subvocalizing right now