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Are there any good books that talk about narcissism

>> No.12152487

All of them talk about narcissism.

>> No.12152492

>>12152045
Just read The Last Psychiatrist

>> No.12152493

dissociation propaganda is very effective on the over socialized and not nearly as so on those who are already social rejects. I don't know why the left sticks with this approach.

>> No.12153215

>>12152493
They stick with it because it is all that they know.

>> No.12153232

My diary desu

>> No.12153239

>>12152493
>dissociation propaganda is very effective on the over socialized
Care to explain a bit more on this?
Is dissociation propaganda meaning forming a separation in two or more groups of people and generalising them all?

>> No.12153242

>>12153232
epic, based, and redpilled

>> No.12153283

>>12152045
so is it women that are throwing "incel" around as an insult so frequently these days, 'cause I thought it was guys taking the piss out of one another

>> No.12153291

how are you not meant to look down on incels when it's the incels who are shooting up schools and churches because their epic frog memes told them to do so?

>> No.12153293

>>12153283
Maybe the tumblr types otherwise its just retards baiting retards

>> No.12153295

>>12153291
>look down on people who are shooting you
good luck

>> No.12153302

>>12153295

in fairness I am pretty tall probably why I crush so much pussy

>> No.12153306

>>12153291
Hating the already depraved doesnt really do much, but you can do whatever you want.

>> No.12153309

>>12153239
>this group bad
>you are this group

>> No.12153314

>>12153306
> depraved because they can't get pussy
> implying that the social derangement that convinces them to shoot up schools and churches would be healed if they got pussy

not how mental health works but ok

>> No.12153319

>>12153302
I don't know. I'm pretty short and I crush more pussy than any guy I know.

>> No.12153321

>>12153314
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>> No.12153322

>>12153314
So they are mentally ill so often the way they are its very likely out of there control? So they need help from others is what you are saying?

>> No.12153329

>>12152493
When they call you incel they're not trying to make you regret your stance and become a leftist, they just want to prove to their friends that they shamed you

>> No.12153337

>>12153319
pussy crushin twins very cool!

>> No.12153341

>>12153329
This. It's a primal dominance signal. The only way to stop its effects is to show them that you're not even in their system (or food chain, is a more accurate way to describe it, when people thrive on "eating" each other to benefit themselves)

>> No.12153342

>>12153322
No harm in seeking help if you have mental health issues. Plenty of people go for therapy nowadays but if you're someone who's an incel and you feel an urge to shoot up innocent kids in a school, you probably need the help more than anyone else.

>> No.12153344

>complain normies are narcissistic
>think they are owed sex just for existing
What did incels mean by this

>> No.12153347

i think the stranger was a good book about narcissism, meursault was a pretty narcissistic guy

>> No.12153350

>>12153344
The picture wasn't really supposed to have anything to do with the OP, I just didn't really have anything else besides frog pictures on the computer I was posting with at the time

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>> No.12153354

>>12153344
Nah seems more they are much more concious that their sexual market value is low. This can have many factors besides dude haha you hate weemen

>> No.12153356

>>12152045
YOUR DIARY XD IM SO FUCKING BASED AND ORIGINAL

>> No.12153357

>>12153344
>>think they are owed sex just for existing
incels don't think this, they're just butt ugly, short, balding, indian, and acknowledging that it's over for them, i can't understand why people have anything against this

>> No.12153358

>>12153356
OP FUCKING REKT

>> No.12153365

>>12153350
cringe

>> No.12153367

>>12153365
Fuck you stupid faggot

>> No.12153368

>>12153354
>>12153357
Relationships don't work the way you think they do.

>> No.12153371

You guys throw around the word "incel" a lot but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that any one of you are able to get sex

>> No.12153373

>>12153342
Of course, but you are also associating some fringe lunatics to the group as a whole which is always a shitty tactic, often no one has told these people that they were worth anything from a young age and often ugly so its not that far fetched that someone could develop "incel" qualities. No one is saying to accept them just realize why it might happen. They are almost always just shitposters online anyway they deserve pity more than scorn imo.

>> No.12153374

>>12153367
based and fuckyoupilled

>>12153365
cringe and stupidfaggotpilled

>> No.12153385
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fuck incels and fuck low value men

>> No.12153386

Imagine being so retarded breeding is the ultimate goal, then they say shit like "they aren't in the system" when they can't see beyond their dicks, even art hoes are deeper and less narcicistic than them.

>> No.12153389

>>12153386
yeah dude, it's not like romantic companionship and recognition is important for mental well being

these incels simply think with their DICKS

>> No.12153396

>>12153386
cringe and systempilled

>> No.12153398

>>12153386
whatever you say, incel

>> No.12153401

>>12153386
Kek breeding is one of the ultimate goals of life. Unless you are some kind of antinatalist scum

>> No.12153402

>>12152045
The Culture of Narcissism - Christopher Lasch

>> No.12153405

>>12153389
Because you can't have healthy relationships without romantic interest?
>>12153398
Get help incel.
>>12153401
Inmortality is thr ultimate goal, to breed is to lie to yourself, also the enviroment and all that.

>> No.12153407

>>12153405
incel detected

>> No.12153408

>>12153367
you gonna post a frog about it HUH HUH little fag boy

>> No.12153410
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>>12153408
t. incel

>> No.12153411

>>12153373
Fair point, anon, I shouldn't have generalised and you're right.

>> No.12153422

>>12153407
Not really, I'm just saying that people who have sex think it's the ultimate goal, but having sex is just lying to yourself. I'm voluntarily celibate, really.

>> No.12153441

>>12153422
>sex is the ultimate goal
this only applies to mid-wit IQs in their 20s

>> No.12153443

I struggle with the concept of narcissism on a personal level, and would appreciate any feedback.

I'm a very quiet person, don't like having my photograph taken, do not enjoy being the centre of attention etc, yet I am concerned with how people view me both superficially and otherwise. I also tend to demand high standards of myself be it on an ethical level, or in whatever field I pursue. An example is literature, where ideally I would want anything I publish to be widely read. Although I don't fit the criteria (IMO) of the typical attention-hogging narcissist who uses others as a means of gaining fame, attention or power, I accuse myself sometimes of being narcissistic. My father, for example, who I never knew growing up (he drank a lot and parents divorced due to his alcoholism, cheating and rage) accused me in a 2015 email of being a narcissist, and attached a document to his email written by a psychologist who had a friend who refused to say much about his private life due (I think) fear of embarrassment or something. I recognize something of myself in this person, but I talk so little and have so little going on in my life that is worth sharing, that embarrassment isn't the only reason that I don't readily reveal details about my personal life to people I'm not close to (including my father). His accusation really hurt me, and at low points I tell myself that my isolation isn't due to any kind of inherent shyness or introversion etc, but narcissism. Perhaps I am too concerned with an idealized self-image I can't hope to attain, and so refuse to display my inferior, human and true identity to people for fear of hurting my ego who clings to this idealized one? But then again, I'm quite self-deprecating and know my faults intimately.

Any advice?

>> No.12153449

>>12153443
Didn't read, but the only thing that really matters is the self.

>> No.12153452

>people itt unironically using the term incel
this place really is just a reddit colony now, huh

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>>12153389
>>12153396
>>12153398
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>> No.12153458

>>12153452
Yeah it is, the easiest way to get on the redditors nerves is to be unabashed about it, talk about sexually assaulting women and getting away with it or talk about continental philosophy these two things are the epicest and easiest ways to troll the libtards on the board aka redditors

>> No.12153460

>Mens sexlessness spikes with the financial crisis
>Lets just ignore this and disparge people instead

>> No.12153465

>>12152045
>implying incels aren't the epitome of pathological narcissism

>> No.12153477

I've seen significantly more people either using it ironically on here to be retarded or whinging about how the mere use of the word is unfair than I have seen anybody take it seriously and try to use it to shame

>> No.12153490

>>12153477
>”Hay guys as a redditor let me give a third person point of view!”

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>>12152492
What is 'The Last Psychiatrist'. Saw it being mentioned several times. It seems like a blog. What does it fixates on, i mean?

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>>12153490
>If you disagree with me, all I have to do is baselessly assume you're from the outgroup, and your opinion can magically be dismissed
And for your next trick, this post will turn me into a Jew
>>12153500
It is a blog, but it's written by a disillusioned clinical psychiatrist that thinks American culture as a whole breeds narcissists in droves and highly encourages that behavior. Most of his posts are dissecting advertisements or movies to try and support that. They get a bit repetitive, but they're written in an entertaining way and absolutely scathing so it's worth reading at least a few of them.
He got doxed and stopped writing around 2013 because a lot of the stuff he'd written is stuff you don't want traced back to yourself, especially for something like psychiatry where there are licensing boards and whatever other red tape you have to go through.

>> No.12153529

>>12153371
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>>12152045
very happy to see this meme circulating despite not being an incel I think it pays homage to the disastrous social collapse we're experiencing which is more or less epitomized in the petty bickerings of bourgeois females as they cast down their cosmopolitan judgments on the alienated ones who carry within them the literary ethos.

>> No.12153562

>>12153520
Wow a redditor and a Jew I’d never think he’d make admittance or both at the same time

>> No.12153567

>>12153458
I mean, using sex to dominate is different from craving sex and being too inept to get it, I understand the former but the later is just too pathetic.

>> No.12153575

>>12153341
>The only way to stop its effects is to show them that you're not even in their system (or food chain, is a more accurate way to describe it, when people thrive on "eating" each other to benefit themselves)
How do you do this?

>> No.12153589

>>12153575
By being skilled or wise, incels are neither.

>> No.12153592

>>12153344
incels dont think they deserve sex lol it's called being alienated you stupid hoe theres a reason men commit suicide by the bushel compared to women you dumb fucking dunce stop trying to trip people with this birdbrained accountability shit this is a purely sociological matter not something women should be commenting on.

>> No.12153602

>>12153592
Why do you even care about the common.

>> No.12153606

>>12152493
When I call you an incel I'm simply stating the condition of your existence, and all the causes and effects connected with it.

>> No.12153608

>>12153529
ah yes, that was a good larp thread

>> No.12153610

>>12153352
staph posting this

>> No.12153612

>>12153575
by shooting them

>>12153589
incel detected

>> No.12153614

>>12153589
>By being skilled or wise, incels are neither.
Why are people who aren't skilled or wise allowed to live and reproduce and raise inferior forms of life born to suffer for inevitably failing to be skilled and wise?
Why is this allowed to happen? Its cruel

>> No.12153617

>>12153592
Kill yourself you incel piece of shit

>> No.12153619

>>12153283
Incels on 4chinz think it's mostly women calling them incels, though in reality it's 99% men. The delusion of grandeur that it's women, and it is a delusion, is simply another manifestation of the incel condition.
Incels need to ask themselves this question: why would would a women give me attention online, whether negative or positive, when they never give me any in real life?

>> No.12153620

>>12153606
No, when you call someone an incel, you're PROJECTING.

>> No.12153623

>>12153614
Breeding is always cruel, but living isn't.

>> No.12153626

>>12153619
shut the fuck up incel lmao didn't even bother to read your incel post because it smells like incel

>> No.12153627

Every incel should be shot

They are slave moralists

>> No.12153629

>>12153627
So are you going to shoot yourself or let someone else shoot you?

>> No.12153631
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What could've been

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0N88Lqg8Wc

>> No.12153638

>>12153617
t. incel

>> No.12153640

Will you faggots stop calling each other incels? This shit has nothing to do with the OP, although it's partly OP's fault for making the classic mistake of using a picture that's more interesting than the actual OP topic.

>> No.12153651

>>12153640
>will you incels stop calling each other incels
FTFY

>> No.12153656

>>12153619
Shitting on people you see as reprehsnible is fun. Not that crazy that women may partake in this avtivity

>> No.12153658

>>12153592
Most incels do believe that they are owed sex, not just sex actually, but an entirely devoted woman. They blame feminism (and other abstractions) for ruining the dynamic between the sexes. Incels have an imagined view of the past, where everyman got 1 woman most of the time. This dynamic was then ruined by the sexual revolution. Now chads get the majority of girls, whereas most men get nothing.

This is all a fantasy, of course. A mechanism of incels invented to cope with the condition of inceldom. In reality, we know this from genetics, that most of the people who spread their genes were women. A top percentage of men have always fucked most of the women. Another percentage got a few. And a big clump at the bottom (the incels) got nothing. Yes that is right. Incels have always existed. The differing factor now is mass communication technology which allows them to form collective groups and radicalize each other.

This condition of a small amount of men getting the most bitches is also mimicked in other species closely related to ours. It's a sad fact of reality, and it is a fact, men with bad genetics wither and die without reproducing, while the top specimens blow their loads in women and continue the species.

I wish you the best incels. Use your time here to do something useful and don't bother with women. The rest of us will continue the species.

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Sophisticated, and magnificent.

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>>12152493
>op pic
>whole thread of incel SEETHING
>"i-it's not working stupid roasties, I swear..."

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>>12152045
God, how I want to fuck them

>> No.12153679

>>12153617
this is reprehensible stuff telling somebody to kill themselves over a mere broadening of the incel issue lol really hoping u're a man otherwise you'd not be doing the female population any justice with this lil outburst

>> No.12153681

>>12153658
shut the fuck up incel

>> No.12153684

>>12153681
rekt

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I have a nice car

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t.incel

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>>12153694
/thread

>> No.12153720

>>12153703
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Fucking lol

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>>12153717
now do sminem

>> No.12153734

>>12153708
Look at this dude's face. Look at his LIPS

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Why is this allowed to continue on? Would the world be a utopia if inferiors weren't allowed to reproduce?

>> No.12153751

>>12153694
Honestly the system should consider posts spam if they reply to more than 3 people.

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>> No.12153768

>>12153751
lol okay incel

>> No.12153803

>>12153751
You should all be banned for going off-topic and not discussing literature

>> No.12153808

>>12152045
just start browsing twitter or tumblr

>> No.12153809

>>12153694
T. Redditor

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>> No.12153880

>>12153751
If you use 4chanX, put this in your filter:
/>>\d*\n>>\d*\n>>\d*\n>>\d*\n>>\d*\n>>\d*\n>>\d*\n>>\d/i;

>> No.12153912

I love philosophy, I just really enjoy the psychological puzzles it brings up. But I often hugely struggle ever having philosophical chat with men. Not only because the majority of them are dripping in an attitude of 'I'm smarter than you' (look it says so here, on my penis).

But also because it seems they just can't think about something in any depth. I didn't even study philosophy in college, but a couple of times my friends have introduced me to someone, who they have said is a philosophy Major, and that they think I will really enjoy chatting with.

But nope. Fucking basic EVERY TIME. Most of them can't detach their minds from empirical thinking for long enough to even begin proper philosophical thought/chat. I've literally had men just repeat a phrase at me, like a stuck record, ignoring what I have said because their minds were completely physically incapable of being critical or analysing their own thought processes.

And when I eventually give up, (because despite the different things I am saying, and angles I am approaching the topic from they keep parroting the same phrase, and the conversation is a dead end) they tend to get this smug little, 'I won' smirk on their faces.

No Simon, you didn't win. You don't even get a participation trophy.

It's weird because it seems like, for women, the goal of philosophy tends to be to unravel the mysteries of being, and to share in developing knowledge together. Where as for men, the goal seems to be ignorantly clinging on to their basic worldview whilst trying to shove it down other peoples throats.

I mean, I find that this is basically the main difference in how women and men approach almost everything. In my experience, Women tend to approach discussions/arguments/debates/projects ect with an attitude of what can I add, and how can we work together to achieve the goal/make sure everyone is happy/everything gets done, ect. Where as men tend to approach these things from a perspective of 'How far/how much can I get my own way'.

I'm sorry this got so ranty, it's something I have been getting annoyed with and thinking about for a while now.

>> No.12153913

Imagine being such a fucking brainlet pseud that you make something as temporary and meaningless as sex your entire life focus to the point of seething this hard when people point out your virginity. You deserve this because you’ve done it to yourself incel

>> No.12153928

>>12153913
Its easy to blow off sex after you start getting laid

>> No.12153940

>>12153928
I’m LITERALLY a virgin. Temporary gratification is not happiness. It will not lead to lasting happiness and contentment. If you are never going to be a chad, why fixate with a life that is irrelevant to you, and wouldn’t even be fulfilling? It’s just monkey behaviour

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>>12153575
volcel

>> No.12153984

>>12153940
Sex is one of the most important aspects of a relatioship. Without sex, no marriage will last or be fulfilling.

>> No.12153991

>>12153955
>i tell myself i dont want them anyway so i feel better

>> No.12153993

>>12153913
t. Incel

>> No.12154004

>>12153984
You don’t need to be a chad to get married and have children, and have a loving relationship. I’m talking about virgins whining about not getting laid casually or having a gf. If you view sex as an act of love and intimacy, yes it is important. As a purely mechanical thing two people do just to sate an urge? Not a thing you want to have as a goal, it will make you feel empty.

>> No.12154008

>>12153991
Imagine being so obsessed with sex you can’t even conceive of people not being interested. Women control your life.

>> No.12154010

>>12154004
What the hell do you know about sex and marriage, incel?

>> No.12154011

>>12154008
>Women
this might be 4channel, but some things are still the same

>> No.12154038

Wuthering Heights

>> No.12154059

>>12153991
I anticipated the sour grapes ruse early so I fucked a bunch of thots before I turned volcel.

Checkmate roastie.

>> No.12154066

incels are based and there's nothing you can do about it

>> No.12154079

>>12153855
i browse 4channel 6 hours a day cannot help myself and want to vomit at the repetition atm

>> No.12154084

>>12153940
>Chads life isnt fulfilling

C O P E

>> No.12154124

>>12154066
>volcels are based

ftfy

>> No.12154315

>>12152045
read christopher lasch particularly the culture of narcissism.

>> No.12154881

>>12153520
>American life-style breeds narcissistic, overly-aggressive, low IQ, walking-Id subhumans
Nobody needs a blog post to tell them that.

>> No.12154902

>>12153940
Imagine coping this hard

>> No.12154960

>>12153912
This is pasta but I agree.

>> No.12155026

>>12153619
Strawman. True incels aren't "ignored" by women, the claim that women are particularly cruel towards them.

These men are extremely unattractive, due to their physical appearance, social skills, genetic profile or all of the above.

They believe they're seen as subhuman and any attempt on their part to interact with a woman is treated as a massive insult and a challenge to her own perception of her status.

T. Not an incel

>> No.12155055

>>12153912

Stale pasta, but also completely wrong.

>> No.12155072

>>12154960
LONDON

>> No.12155842

>>12153365
Noone gives a fuck about your downvote you dud cunt.

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>>12152492

>> No.12156317

>>12152045
the DSM

>> No.12156337

incels are disgusting "people"

>> No.12156357

>>12153912
Imagine being a fly on the wall for one of these philosophical discussions she's describing. I bet you'd have no idea what she was saying. You'd just be worried about spiders and shit.

>> No.12156461

>>12153283
Most normies still don't even know what the word means or why it's relevant. It's not the type of thing you're really liable to be called outside the internet.

>> No.12156502

>>12153443
Sounds like me actually. I am unable to talk to people because of the dissonance between what I am and what I feel I am.

>> No.12156543

>>12153344
This is superficial. I'm not saying that we should force anyone to have sex, we shouldn't, but if people aren't entitled to sex then on what grounds are people entitled to anything at all?

Having sex is necessary for normal human function.

>> No.12156575

>>12153460
Dworkins was right all sex is prostitution is rape.

>> No.12156589

>>12155026
This is correct

>> No.12156595

>>12156543
>What is the clergy
Shut the fuck up modern, you don't need constant physical gratification to function.

>> No.12156601

>>12156589
That’s why it’s so fun

>> No.12156606

>>12156601
What is fun?

>> No.12156637

>>12153443
Noooooo absolutely not.Your story and they way you write proves a low self esteem and a too strict self-image/Ideal, the absolute opposite of narcissists. Narcissists believe they are great and will never see their own flaws. Us people with a negative self image see every little flaw as a huge flaw and will never cease stressing about them. Also, perfectionism (wanting to write the best books etc.) is a trait of, again, people with low self esteem. Narcissists are never perfectionists. Don't be so harsh on yourself! You're punishing yourself with those thoughts.

>> No.12156640

I don't get the idea that being an incel means you're a reactionary.

I'm 24 never had sex, likely never will and not for a lack of trying. I'm also a radical feminist and believe Mackinnon is right on the money.

If you aren't attractive, wealthy or gifted then you're shit out of luck no matter what you think or how you lead your life.

Hating incels is just ableism.

>> No.12156649

>>12156595
I think people should be happy, controversial I know but I see no reason not to stick with it.

>> No.12156656

>>12156640
>radical feminist

lol did you think you'd get pussy with that? Also the problem is not that some men are too ugly, the problem is that men always go for women that are out of their league. They could get a girlfriend if they settled for a chick that was just as ugly as them.

>> No.12156660

>>12156640
holy shit, just die so i don't ever have to read more of your posts

>> No.12156661

>>12156649
>Satiating physical desires is the only way to be happy
Okay modern never reply to me ever again with this weak shit

>> No.12156694

>>12156656
No. I grew up in a family where it was all too clear how patriarchy affects the health physical and mental of women.

Also as you had a 50/50 chance of being born either sex so I don't see the distance between male issues and female issues.

I know for a fact that feminism doesn't get you laid, the purpose is to point out that a persons views on women is not causal on their status as an incel.
>>12156661
What the hell is a modern?

>> No.12156699

>>12156694
The patriarchy doesn't exist dumb ass.

>> No.12156705

>>12156699
Okay, thanks for the insightful post.

>> No.12156711

>>12156694
Someone weak, effete, cowardly, materialistic, secular, myopic, deracinated and degenerate.

>> No.12156716

>>12156640
THIS.
incels are queer. since the old "queers" are the new orthodoxy, incels should replace them in the discourse of gender violence.
they are:
>marginalized by the discourse of reproductive futurity
>disprivileged from work and social spheres if they come out
And many more things.

>> No.12156718

>>12156694
NOT HIM BUT


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DOOOOOD YOU ARE SOOO FUCKIN GAYYYY

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>>12156716
Raise the flag, brother.

>> No.12157111

>>12153239
>look at this cringe person who also associates with something you associate with or could be labeled as associating with, you are now that person, disassociate with whatever you are doing or believe or people will think you are a loser just like this guy.

>> No.12157137

>>12153606
The dissociation is the image, it's saying people who call people incels are caricatures of thots. wording Insults aren't typically attempts at dissociation, usually it's a picture of someone no one would want to be, like that popular kekistan one. Rather than making fun of principles or the individual, they simply use the threat of social ostracization. /lit/ falls for this too, maybe people will try not to be associated with something that could vaguely be perceived as coming from /pol/ because they don't want to be perceived as the average /pol/tard. Dissociation propaganda is a threat to how people perceive you if you associate with something.

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>>12156543
>thinking you're "entitled" to anything in this world.

>> No.12157215

>>12157155
I'm going to be very disappointed if posters on /lit/ actually believe the "you aren't entitled to anything" modernist platitude.

>> No.12157234

>>12153389
theres a difference between "im sad because i dont have a gf, girls are really nice and id really like to have one" and "FUCK women, theyre useless fem*ids, im going to go drive a van into a crowd of civilians"

>> No.12157237

>>12152492
>everything I don't like is narcissism
>everyone is a narcissist
His schtick gets boring after a while

>> No.12157276

>>12157234
The former is what is known as a failed normal fag and the latter is an incel. The difference between the two is like the difference between leave it to beavers dad and the western cowboy gunslinger. who would any red blooded person who can't find a mate rather be?

>> No.12157286

>>12157276
The one that doesnt sound like a twelve year olds fantasy

>> No.12157291

>>12157276
I'd unironically rather be the leave it to beaver dad or failed normie. This "going down in a blaze of glory" mentality not only denies the possiblity of future redemption (which exists), it's just death-worship, plain and simple. Elliot Roger is not smiling down upon Sodom and Gomorrah from his comfy video game heaven; he's languishing about in a hell of isolation and fury.

>> No.12157293

>>12157234
I can understand why someone would look down on women, but there's something pathological about hating them.

>> No.12157322

>>12157293
People hate women when they reject their femininity. The feminine is inferior to the masculine, but it has it's essential place. When women step outside what it means to be a woman they become nothing but monkey's.

>> No.12157331

>>12157322
>it has it's essential place
Prove it. Modern millennial women feel entitled to respect simply for being a woman; whereas part of being a man is acknowledging that (as a man) respect is earned, not given.

>> No.12157333

>>12157322
I cannot be "inferior" if it is essential to the functioning of a person / society. The only way the masculine can be "superior" is if it is able to exist perfectly independently of the feminine, but as incels show us this is impossible. We need both.

>> No.12157335

>>12153592
many incels will pine for a gf, and then make posts such as this one. Take note.

>> No.12157347

>>12157331
"Modern millenial women" (as you put them) do not fully embody the feminine dynamic. Instead, after about 50 decades of socio-cultural engineering, the dominant mindset of young women is that in order to be respected, they have to be respected for the masculine traits.

The feminine - whom women naturally embody - deserves all the respect and dignity in the universe. The problem is that too many women have rejected it in favour of trying to masculinise themselves.

>> No.12157356

>>12157335
Hypocrite.

>>12157347
And my point is nobody calls them out on their attitude problem(s)/bullshit. The feminine has been corrupted, and women are complicit in that corruption. It doesn't "deserve" anything anymore, especially respect or dignity.

>> No.12157367

>>12157322
You can't really blame them for being products of social, economic, and political factors that are completely out of their control.

>> No.12157369

>>12157333
>The only way the masculine can be "superior" is if it is able to exist perfectly independently of the feminine

No, there is nothing about contingency that makes superiority impossible. our survival is just as contingent upon the air as rats is, that doesn't mean we aren't superior to rats.

The masculine has more essential elements of humanity and virtue than the feminine.

>> No.12157373

>>12157367
>You can't really blame them for being products of social, economic, and political factors that are completely out of their control.
People blame "incels" and undesirable men for just that.

>> No.12157375

>>12157356
>And my point is nobody calls them out on their attitude problem(s)/bullshit.
The entire alt-right and election of Trump can in many ways be seen as a aggressive reaction against the corrupted feminine. There are plenty of people calling it out for "their bullshit."

>and women are complicit in that corruption
Yes, as are men. Having violent incels murder a bunch of women for being women adds to that corruption. The feminine becomes even more afraid, more toxic, more defensive. That does not solve the issue, it makes it markedly WORSE.

>It doesn't "deserve" anything anymore, especially respect or dignity.
If the feminine doesn't deserve respect, then neither does the masculine. And if that's the case, then we will die.

>> No.12157388

Narcissm is a low IQ person catchall term for someone they don't like. Vain, superficial, egotistical, unempathetic etc are all more nuanced words that actually mean something.

Instead it's just n-narcissist! It's like pop psychology that has never went away.

>> No.12157389

>>12153658
>In reality, we know this from genetics, that most of the people who spread their genes were women.
That's because in tribal warfare women are treated as moveable property. Civilised people don't tend to live like that.

>> No.12157400

>>12157375
>The entire alt-right and election of Trump can in many ways be seen as a aggressive reaction against the corrupted feminine. There are plenty of people calling it out for "their bullshit."
How so? Name three (3) things that Trump himself has done that has detracted from "the sacred feminine". Taking away free government subsidized abortions and birth control doesn't count.

>Yes, as are men. Having violent incels murder a bunch of women for being women adds to that corruption. The feminine becomes even more afraid, more toxic, more defensive. That does not solve the issue, it makes it markedly WORSE.
As opposed to women effectively deciding to turn 80% of most men into their disposable slaves that only exist to line their pockets or stroke their egos?

>If the feminine doesn't deserve respect, then neither does the masculine.
Wrong

>And if that's the case, then we will die.
"The feminine" can go fuck itself. Men/the masculine are innovative and driven enough to complete work on artificial wombs. We're already pretty much there. Women do a shitty job of raising children as it is (do you think these incels had fantastic mothers?), so why the fuck would we even need women to raise our test tube babies after the advent of the artificial womb?

face it, women are to blame for starting (and losing) this species-encompassing-level game of chicken.

>> No.12157401

>>12157369
>that doesn't mean we aren't superior to rats.
We aren't. If we destroy the world in a nuclear holocaust, it will be rats who survive in the toxic wasteland, not us. Does that make them superior to humans? If the answer is "only in that situation", then the same applies to our situation. We are only "superior" to rates based on our, sentimental assumptions about the purpose and design of reality. These have nothing to do with truth.

>The masculine has more essential elements of humanity and virtue than the feminine.
It does not.

>> No.12157402

>>12157373
I never said I blamed incels.

>> No.12157411

>>12157400
Note: when I mean "these incels", im referring to the nebulous boogeymen in the pantheon of the half-dozen "incels" that actually committed violent crimes/shootings.

>>12157402
My point is why should women be absolved of the blame for being the products of those aforementioned factors that are out of their control-- yet incels are blamed and chided for not being Camusian ubermenschen

>> No.12157428

>>12152045
Women should kill themselves desu.

>> No.12157432

>>12157401
We aren't arguing superiority from a darwinist lens. The masculine is metaphysically superior to the feminine. My biological example was just refuting your contingency nonsense.

You are out of your depth, and should read some traditionalist literature if you are interested in this subject. As palatable as "separate but equal" is to modernist sensibilities it simply isn't the case. Inferiority not mean the feminine is bad.

>> No.12157436

>>12157428
Everytime I see one of those "35 year old rhodes scholar triple-doctorate polyglot philanthropist single woman kills herself because she couldn't find a man "worth marrying" & all her friends got married" stories, I get a warm tingle in my heart.

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>>12157436
wine aunts

>> No.12157442

>>12157400
He's openly boasted to sexually assaulting women. He's talked about wanting to fuck his own daughter. He's deflected tough questions by blaming it on the journalist's biological functions. A respect for the feminine does not boast about assaulting women, fantasizing about fucking their own daughter, or blame tough questions on female biology.

>As opposed to women effectively deciding to turn 80% of most men into their disposable slaves that only exist to line their pockets or stroke their egos?
That's not women who did that, it's unabated neoliberal financial capitalism that demands ever-increasing profits at the expense of all social, cultural, national and community institutions that provide the supported needed for both men and women to feel emotionally fulfilled.

>Wrong
Right.

>"The feminine" can go fuck itself. Men/the masculine are innovative and driven enough to complete work on artificial wombs. We're already pretty much there. Women do a shitty job of raising children as it is (do you think these incels had fantastic mothers?), so why the fuck would we even need women to raise our test tube babies after the advent of the artificial womb?
YOU are the feminine. When you hate women for being "weak", "stupid", "vulnerable", you are actually blaming YOURSELF for being weak, stupid and vulnerable.

The problem is that modern industrial society does not provide an outlet for men to feel this way. Men are told - since birth - that they have to be an alpha chad who makes millions of dollars and fucks a dozen women a week in order to be fulfilled. This is a lie. Complex societies have virtually never operated this way, there was always room for men - the majority of men who are not alpha warriors or motivated go getters - to indulge in the pleasures of family, community, work, faith, and so on, rather than conflict and achievement. Capitalism has ruined all that. In the pursuit of profit, we've turned family, communities, work, even faith into only outlets to make money off. If something isn't profitable, it gets ditched. We've replaced community with digital screens; belonging with memes. It's fucked, but it's not women's fault. If you unironically think it is, you need to grow up.

>> No.12157449

>>12157432
No it's not, the masculine is metaphysically inseperable from the feminine. You are saying otherwise doesn't make it so, it makes you a fool for trying to mold reality to match your deluded ideas.

> Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

>> No.12157451

>>12153623
living is the cruelest joke

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>>12157451

>> No.12157461

>>12157442
>He's openly boasted to sexually assaulting women.
Hyperbole.

>He's talked about wanting to fuck his own daughter.
Wrong.

>He's deflected tough questions by blaming it on the journalist's biological functions.
So what? How does this disrespect and demean all women everywhere?

>A respect for the feminine does not boast about assaulting women, fantasizing about fucking their own daughter, or blame tough questions on female biology.
Respect is earned, not given. You want to be "equal"? That's one of the first kid-gloves lessons you should learn.

>YOU are the feminine. When you hate women for being "weak", "stupid", "vulnerable", you are actually blaming YOURSELF for being weak, stupid and vulnerable.
Ah yes, the classic "you hate [x] so you must be [x]!" fallacy. So I guess atheists who hate religion must be closet deists.

>The problem is that modern industrial society does not provide an outlet for men to feel this way. Men are told - since birth - that they have to be an alpha chad who makes millions of dollars and fucks a dozen women a week in order to be fulfilled. This is a lie. Complex societies have virtually never operated this way, there was always room for men - the majority of men who are not alpha warriors or motivated go getters - to indulge in the pleasures of family, community, work, faith, and so on, rather than conflict and achievement. Capitalism has ruined all that. In the pursuit of profit, we've turned family, communities, work, even faith into only outlets to make money off. If something isn't profitable, it gets ditched. We've replaced community with digital screens; belonging with memes.
And all of these things are unironically women's fault; if you disagree you're either a woman or a soi-handed boi who's never done a day's worth of manual labor in his life. All of those things; organized society, stereotypes about how a man should be, neat little memes and technology; they are all rooted in benefiting women, and making life easier for them.

You said so yourself-- nobody gives a shit about men, so why do you think we work so hard? So we can keep the plantation massas & overseers (women & their alpha leash-holders) comfortable & fat.

>> No.12157502

>>12157461
>Respect is earned, not given. You want to be "equal"? That's one of the first kid-gloves lessons you should learn.
Respect is giving utterly and completely freely.
>But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
If you cannot give unconditional respect to others, then you cannot give unconditional respect to yourself. Finding self-respect is a difficult process, one that many men in today's world of instant gratification and over feminisation of society find extremely difficult. It is a process I have struggled with, but one that I have also been able to move through and achieve the level of self-respect I previously did not know possible. I did this through accepting my own vulnerablity, and realising that vulnerability is not something to be ashamed of, its the intrinsic facet of the human condition. It is not by defeating insecurity that a man becomes a god, it is by embracing it.

>And all of these things are unironically women's fault; if you disagree you're either a woman or a soi-handed boi who's never done a day's worth of manual labor in his life. All of those things; organized society, stereotypes about how a man should be, neat little memes and technology; they are all rooted in benefiting women, and making life easier for them.
They are not rooted in benefitting women. They are rooted in exploiting the human psyche for monetary gain. Why teach mean to feel self-respect and value at the expense of consumerism when you can just hand them porn and video games and they'll hand you over all the cash they ever earned?

>You said so yourself-- nobody gives a shit about men, so why do you think we work so hard? So we can keep the plantation massas & overseers (women & their alpha leash-holders) comfortable & fat.
I give a shit about men, I am a man and I have received suffering caused by the false narratives promoted by the media / politicians / utopians. The toxic feminine does not care for men because it sees men as the enemy, yet the toxic feminine is not the same as the feminine itself. The feminine when it is healthy, as embodied by mothers, daughters, sisters who are open to and care for the men in their lives - is one of the most beautiful things a man can experience. Unfortunately, too many women have been brainwashed into thinking men are all just stupid and violent, not realising the deeper turmoils we go through, which then only makes the problem worse. It's a self-repeating cycle, one that needs to be corrected for both men AND women to feel proud and fulfilled.

>> No.12157509

>>12157502
>Respect is giving utterly and completely freely.
No.

>> No.12157518

Why are incels such a popular topic? By definition these are people you should not give two shits about. Who cares if some nerd is misogynistic online

>> No.12157526

>>12157518
Incels are a threat to the gay disco in principle and are also known to go rambo. Modernity's response to incels is textbook fear manifested as hatred.

>> No.12157530

>>12157518
Because women (and some desirable men/alphas/chads/et.al) are starting to become absolutely seething at the fact that there are men who are choosing drugs/hobbies/vidya/saving money over getting married and raising children/a child that probably isn't even yours.

Statistically, factually, women are more likely to be killed by someone they're actually fucking/dating/married to than a random "incel spree shooter".

>> No.12157586

>>12157509
Think about the great stoic heroes in pop culture. The Man With No Name, James Bond, Bruce Lee, Captain Kirk. All know how to handle a weapon, and definitely know how to take down an enemy when they see one, but none of them are ever whiny or disrespectful. They know they're in control, and have no need to act like an ass to other people - even their enemies - because of it. This is what I mean.

>> No.12157650

>>12157586
A.) That's fiction. We're talking about the real world here, softboi.
B.) Nowhere did I advocate being "whiny or disrespectful" when talking about respect. All I'm advocating is "respect should be earned, not given".

If women want to be equals, then they can play by that same rule too. I'm not going to just flippantly shower a random strange woman with respect simply because of her gender. It's similar to the whole "um excuse me sweetie im not going to treat you like Chad just because you're a "nice guy" lol ok bye" thing.

>> No.12157661

>>12157650
>I'm not going to just flippantly shower a random strange woman with respect simply because of her gender
What about a random strange man? Would you respect him if he looked like a Chad? Or what if he looked like a hentai-fapping incel?

>> No.12157673

>>12157661
How many times to I have to repeat myself? Respect is earned (through actions), not given (by entitlement). I like how your gynocentric bias is glaringly apparent through that hypothetical, though. You're implying that Chad deserves respect just for existing, and the "hentai-fapping incel" does not, even though when I run into ANYONE in public (regardless of whether or not they're an "incel" or male or female), 90% of the time, my first thought that comes to mind isn't what they're masturbating to.

You're not as enlightened and open-minded as you think you are.

>> No.12157686

>>12157673
Alright, fine. How does someone earn your respect then? Is it the same for a Chad and a nerdy looking guy?

>> No.12157687

>>12157686
>How does someone earn your respect then? Is it the same for a Chad and a nerdy looking guy?
see
>>12157673

>> No.12157691

>>12157687
Alright, damn, ignore the second part. How does someone earn your respect?

>> No.12157693

>>12157461
Respect is earned, not given. You want to be "equal"? That's one of the first kid-gloves lessons you should learn.
Who taught you that? I was always brought up to respect everyone

>> No.12157700

>>12157691
Actions.

>>12157693
>Who taught you that?
The school of life, buddy. I don't feel entitled to any random woman's respect just for interacting with them; that's what would make me a "creepy incel". Women need to wisen up and realize that conversely they get showered with respect and are coddled with special treatment for simply existing & suckin air.

>> No.12157708

>>12157526
What do you mean by gay disco? Most incels are straight guys who want gf right?

>> No.12157713

>>12157700
what are you even talking about lmao, your lunatic ramblings mean nothing to me

>> No.12157716

>>12157700
Ok, but which actions? If you saw a guy shitting in a park publicly, would you respect that? That is an action, after all

>> No.12157717

>>12157713
>what are you even talking about lmao, your lunatic ramblings mean nothing to me
Non-sequitur. I win.

>> No.12157721

>>12157716
No. Conversely, if a woman was shitting in a park publicly, people would post news articles about it and call it "stunning & brave". Especially po-mo airheads like the cunt whose post is directly above yours.

>> No.12157722

>>12157717
I'm not arguing with you, I legit don't understand what you're talking about

>> No.12157727

>>12157721
I think you spend too much time on the internet. In real life there's countless examples of people shunning crazy women who do stuff like that.

>> No.12157732

>>12157727
>I think you spend too much time on the internet.
So it's ok for you to be presumptuous but not me? I work 50h a week and spend maybe 1-2h a day on the internet.

>In real life there's countless examples of people shunning crazy women who do stuff like that.
When women do crazy stuff in public, it can be filtered through the neolib po-mo lens of "this is a paradigm-shifting stunning & brave protest against the status quo". When men do crazy stuff in public, it's mostly interpreted through the "yikes, that guy needs to get laid" lens.

>> No.12157734

>>12157732
>When women do crazy stuff in public, it can be filtered through the neolib po-mo lens of "this is a paradigm-shifting stunning & brave protest against the status quo". When men do crazy stuff in public, it's mostly interpreted through the "yikes, that guy needs to get laid" lens.
yeah you took /r9k/ memes too seriously and should spend less time on this websites

>> No.12157739

>>12157734
>yeah you took /r9k/ memes too seriously and should spend less time on this websites
Never been on /r9k/. Again: it's ok for you to be presumptuous, but not me? I think you've been LARPing as a "man" for a little too long, because your estrogenic female snark is shining through very glaringly

>> No.12157743

>>12157732
I just searched "crazy woman" on youtube and got a bunch of results. Like this video for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bl9h1_F_S4

You mean to tell me there are people who are saying this is a "brave act of defiance?" Maybe there's like, two people in the world who think that, but they're like also crazy.

>> No.12157744

>>12157739
I'm a different poster and making fun of your incel ass

>> No.12157755

>>12157744
And you're proving my point while you do so. If I was female and whining about men, you'd be nothing but "YAAAAAAS QUEEEN". You're just incapable of seeing your hubris because you're female. You have no grasp of respect or actual equality when it comes to logic or just equality when it comes to gender dynamics. You're like a spoiled naive child.

>> No.12157762

>>12157755
trust me I'd make fun of anyone male or female who has your opinions

>> No.12157806

stop fighting you're all making me cry

>> No.12158409

>>12157530
We don't care bro. I would do the same if I wasn't handsome. You learn woman are whores and act like children very quickly. I just need to walk into a party for my inevitable evidence
t.chad

>> No.12158423

>>12158409
>act like children

if only this was true

>> No.12158428

>>12153283
on twitter its women and betas, here it is all men, most of whom are incels by the esoteric definition of not being able to dominate their pussy
>>12153575
you can’t socio-sexual power dynamics pervade all human modes of association. guys literally just make gay dominance hierarchies if left to their own devices or construct weird theological sexual displacement vehicles if they turn to religion. there is no way out, you could conform and hope they forget how much you naturally hate them, you could also try to dominate them which will be comical in their eyes, or you could just let it wash over you and ignore the cruelty but this isn’t actually effective and will make you seem insane or a pussy

>> No.12158432

>>12156606
attacking incels, harming the weak and helpless is fun for stronger people and always has been. its exactly the feeling you get in a video game where you own someone who is terrible and they rage at you and there’s nothing they can do. humans are apes my nigger, they will always enjoy exquisite pain extracted from other lesser humans.

>> No.12158449

>>12158423
You don't agree? That's usually what I find intoxicating about spending time with under 25 year old women. They act and think like children, the rules,goals and traits of socialization is completely different in their realm. But the relationship only works if it's only one, one child among two is much needed addition to life, two children is disaster waiting to happen. They need you to contrast but do not overly restrict, so they feel safe enough to shed the shit they are told to act like (men) and can freely be the females they are
They also are reared exactly like children. Can't be a drill sergeant but can't let them run free either
On top of that most girls nowdays have father issues
When I spend a night with a girl the hard, material world with real consequences fades away. For a time you can take off the huge backpack of responsibilities thats forced on you as a man

>> No.12158456

>>12158449
>anon admits that you’re playing in the woods with neighbor girl when you fuck modern whores
thank you for this rebelation

>> No.12158462

>>12158432
Agree, surprised not everyone knows this. Noticed it in myself with pets as a kid. I caught myself a few times taking pleasure in dominating and punishing them when they did something bad. I didn't hurt them or anything but I felt a rush seeing them terrified of me. Being aware of this nature lying dormant in me gave me the opportunity to accept and familiarize myself with it, and so I don't fall prey to it's thoughts returning in a time of opportunity.

>> No.12158466

>>12158456
I don't understand what you're saying

>> No.12158553

>>12153658
feminism did “ruin“ the dynamic between sexes. up to 30 women have a much higher sexual value do to guys trying to fuck as many women as possible and women in the position to be choosers. after 30 that changes because many women get unattractive realy fast and in our society the value of women is often reduced to their looks while the value of men is reduced to their archievments (money, job, family etc.).

>> No.12158667

>>12157215
Entitlement is a spook bro. The only thing you're "entitled" to is the cold nothingness of oblivion.

>> No.12158753

>>12153687
who is this qt??

>> No.12158757

Does "incel" serve as the opposing term to words such as "slut," "whore," and "thot?"

It seems to me that it's a necessary and natural development of our political divide, because it disparages men for not having sex whereas the other words disparage women for having sex.

That is, except for "thot," which has a broader meaning and it supposed to conjure up an image when you say it or refer to someone as it, similar to incel. Both terms are also un-falsifiable during the duration of the argument, and if you were to try and definitively prove that you're not a thot or an incel, you've completely accepted the other's frame and lost, although it is likely less difficult to prove that you have had sex vs. that you haven't had sex.

>> No.12158763

>>12158757
shut up, incel

>> No.12158775

>>12155842
you clearly gave enough of a fuck to respond, mongoloid faggot

>> No.12158788

>>12153344
>>complain normies are narcissistic
>>think they are owed sex just for existing
>What did incels mean by this

this dumb strawman perpetuated by twitter-thots needs to die

>> No.12158802
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12158802

So, apparently this is where the intellectual titans of 4channel live, and the peak of discussion is calling each other incel ad nauseam.

>> No.12158850

>>12152045
Actually narcisissm is just people being jelous of other realizing their godhood

>> No.12158852

>>12156640
>I don't get the idea that being an incel means you're a reactionary
because people don't mean "involuntary celibate" they mean "the kind of person that posts on incel.me"
>>12156694
>I know for a fact that feminism doesn't get you laid
best laugh I've had here for a long time
thanks

>> No.12159262

>>12156694
is this dworkinsposter?

>> No.12159347

>>12158553
Social media created this phenomena, not feminism. You really don’t think it’s a coincidence these trends have only emerged in the past decade or so, do you?

>> No.12159351

>>12152492
based and lonelypilled

>> No.12159367

>>12153314
>claims that incels are mentally ill
>doesn't want to give them psychiatric help or dedicate resources towards reintegrating them into society or doing sociological studies to find the underlying causes with an eye toward hopefully eradicating those causes and saving men from falling to mental illness
>does want to insult them on twitter
do you treat manic depressives like this too?

>> No.12159759

I swear that there is nothing in this thread that is even remotely about literature. Why can't you guys either move this discussion to r9k or whatever, or answer OP's question

>> No.12159769

>>12152045
Terrible bait