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>What makes a book or a series a space Opera?
>What are your favorite space operas?

Monthly Reading for November: A Night in the Lonesome October by Roger Zelazny



NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:


>> No.12138164

>Jack Vance writes a space opera
>it's about an opera in space

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i haven't read much space opera but this one is of the best series i've read

>> No.12138296

Just finished The Rise of Endymion and now I'm depressed. Aenea's story is tragic and I'm sort of heartbroken. I cried through the end of the book.

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Why aren’t you reading historical fiction, provincials?

>> No.12138332

I'm sick and tired of that story.

>> No.12138365

you dont get sick from the one and only savior, anon

>> No.12138384

I want to read Fantasy with beautiful prose, something that evokes marvelous places and feelings.
What can you recommend /sffg/?

>> No.12138401

If only he saved me from being born

>> No.12138405


>> No.12138409

The Worm Ourobouros
The Broken Sword

Apart from these avoid anything published after 1970

>> No.12138434

kys dino fag

>> No.12138435

The book of the new sun

>> No.12138478


I always liked Ursula K Le Guin, her prose is compact but has high impact. She can spend a page talking about a crappy little wall and turn it into something symbolic and important.

>> No.12138482

Next book when?

>> No.12138491

I'm trying to find an ebook torrent of the sky blue wolves by SM Stirling. Anyone got one or know where to look?

Because I need to finish the series, but I'm not gonna pay for a series that's gotten awful, and a book I've already read most of.

>> No.12138501

You didn't look very hard anon.


>> No.12138519

Thunderer by Felix Gilman

>> No.12138522

Thanks anon. I'd tried searching a few sites, but had gotten nowhere. Same with googling. How'd you find it?

>> No.12138534

Google is useless, these sites work hard to not show up on google.
Always start looking on libgen.io, b-ok.org and mobilism, between those three you'll find most books that you're looking for.
Audiobookbay.nl for audiobooks.
And if all else fails you can try myanonamouse's private trackers.

>> No.12138554

Lovecraft vs Clark Ashton Smith
who is better lads?

>> No.12138600

>Fantasy with beautiful prose, something that evokes marvelous places and feelings
Unironically the Narnia series, assuming you can ignore the awkward Christian propaganda. Lewis had all of Tolkien's skill and none of his wordiness.

>> No.12138605

Thanks for the suggestions friends, I've already read some of these but others are completely new to me, I'll try and check them all out.
>assuming you can ignore the awkward Christian propaganda
Didn't bother me with Tolkien or Wolfe, don't think it will in this one.

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My favorite Space Opera franchise is Legend of the Galactic Heroes. What are some other books/series of books that will scratch the same itch of space geopolitics?

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Is this book, dare I say it, the most ambitious crossover event in history?

>> No.12138637

What's next month's book going to be?

>> No.12138640

we vote on it after people put their nominees in around the 30th

>> No.12138641

you should check out Brian Aldiss' "The Eighty Minute Hour". full of amazing songs.

"let those who will, object
to vivisection -
has no objection
to them."

>> No.12139137

And IRC. Let's not forget IRC.

>> No.12139142

Never post here again.

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So the first book was fantastic and had what I thought was a scathing satire of anarchocapitalism in space. But now I'm just reading about how poor people suck. What is wrong with scifi authors when it comes to follow through? that fucker Dan Simmons did it to me twice

>> No.12139202

tigana fucking sucked

>> No.12139209

I've read a lot of history and fiction from history but I've never tried historical fiction. I was going to look into Mary Renault for one of my next reads though

>> No.12139228

Would you rather live on a ringworld or a planet?

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Ringworld, because the maximum distance you can be from another point is so much greater

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Avoid everything that anon posted.

>> No.12139277

Missing Amber and Tigana but otherwise that's a solid list anon.

>> No.12139375

That seems arbitrary rather than inherently good

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Im pretty sure that evil presence is the AI the Omega made to fight Srit. But still who in the name of fuck are Shirley, Skipper and Seville and why the fuck would the help Cybersatan.
Pretty sure Al is Alric, Srits son but why was he investigating the anomalies instead of Runner himself.
Why in the ever-living fuck did some "gods" band together just to fucking bring about armageddong on Felix' world?
And most importantly why did Lily and Kit had to play hero and get trapped in the evil World, im pretty sure Priscilla is there too.


>> No.12139440

I'm not sure if you're memeing or not but I started this books yesterday and it's the most boring shit I've ever read. The war is over, I expected some military sci fi and I get a murder mystery with the most bland protagonist ever. Does it get better?

>> No.12139447 [DELETED] 

Elric fucking sucks dick


>> No.12139449

Upload it somewhere and share it so we can agree with you

>> No.12139453

i did the 30 day Kindle Unlimited trial to read it. ill probably subscribe permanently.

>> No.12139460

>avoid dying earth
fuck you

>> No.12139464

Still you've got the file in your kindle I presume, just connect your kindle to your pc, find the file and upload it to Zippyshare. If you're scared just delete the link tomorrow.

>> No.12139472

i dont have a kindle i read it in the browser.

>> No.12139481

Oh ok. You should buy a kindle though, you'll fuck up your eyes reading too much on your monitor.

>> No.12139522

because they want to overthrow cyber land, because Alric is born part AI or whatever and will hell srit kill the omega AI. And the gods felt them game was unbalanced so they wiped the server before they sysadmin could stop it.

>> No.12139529

The new kindle drm format they are using is making it hard to steal shit.

>> No.12139530

So it beat calibre?

>> No.12139535

>Searched for Lyonesse thinking that it might be an Arthurian legend where knights impregnate anthropomorphic lion warrior women
>It was just an Arthurian legend
To each his own, i guess.

>> No.12139537

You got to do a bunch of shit to strip it, including using a software that's only available through purchase.

>> No.12139538

has this general become an unmerciful circle jerk of the same 10-20 faggots spouting the same 'golden age of sci-fi/fantasy' bullshit with no room for discussion or newer material because 'muh quality'?

>> No.12139544

Yes, and one pleb who call old authors dinosaurs.

>> No.12139547

The format is kfx. Just did a quick google and the results shows like there has been progress.

>> No.12139549

Well..., I'll be patient then.

>> No.12139552

Quick, boys, gas! So on and so forth... WHERE’S /POL/???

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>> No.12139557

Are you having a stroke?

>> No.12139573
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I try to post and shill new works that I read and others might enjoy. The people who read them usually get hooked (daniel black, super sales, etc).
For others, they don't read period and just meme, while some read but they are grandpas who (like all old people) fear the new thing while singing praises for the days of ole.

Tl;dr just ignore the fucking dinosaurs. People that get memed learn the hard way.

>> No.12139577

It's not our fault so much of modern fantasy and sci-fi is garbage. But then you zoomer cucks only ever want to talk about either Sanderson's anime shit or yet another LOTR ripoff.

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>or yet another LOTR ripoff.
Spoken like a true non reader. According to you fucking crude oil faggets, everything is a lotr clone. You don't read, yet feel your opinion is worth listening to.
There are many of us in this general who reads both old and new, so we know the shit that's coming out your ass of a mouth when you recommend some of those shit older books that can't be enjoyed now because they have aged horribly, and you only like them because your crusty depends wearing ass grew up reading them.
Go fuck yourself.

>> No.12139610

>There are many of us in this general who reads both old and new
Hi fren.
I like old books. I see here that you enjoy them sometimes. Do you have a couple favorites you'd like to share?

>> No.12139620

Thanks mate, will take a look at these recommendations.

'Our fault' like you belong to a group of true patricians, above the rest. Have you read 'Sanderson's anime shit' enough to formulate your own opinion or are you just riding the wave someone else started for you?

>> No.12139624

Except for The Fifth Season, that shit sucked.

>> No.12139634

Hey catfag. What is it you like in books? Science? Technology? Magic? Engineering? GRI?
Give what you like in a book and I can recommend from what I read.

>> No.12139649

>Thanks mate, will take a look at these recommendations
Only read that chart if you want degeneracy. Also remember quality varies. Some of those books are bad, and some are utter filth. E.g Dhalgren and Imajica. I would avoid those two if I were you.

>> No.12139711

>tfw betrayed by own hands
Not much into GRI. A measured amount won't ruin book, but as a consistent theme it would. I'm very interested in survival/rebuilding from scratch stories. Defoe's Robinson Crusoe and Stirling's Island in the Sea of Time come to mind. I dislike unfinished series, even if they're consistently worked on. I also like stories of man against crushing bureaucracy, Vance has a few of these. Stephenson generally and Robinson's Mars trilogy are enjoyable, if exhausting, so tales of Engineering could work. I like cats too :3

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This is another chart I tried to do. Over the years of this general people come and ask for specific things (books about mechs, incest, military, gods, engineering, etc). I tried to make a chart with those things and populate it with books I read, but if you ever made a chart from scratch you know it's not easy. Took me two hours to do this, and I dropped it part way. I have nothing but respect for the people who dedicate their time and autism to make complete charts and revise it now and again.

>> No.12139730

Have you tried making a chart of books you thought were amazing and were really glad you read, instead of one with random specific shit? I don't care if a book has "Anti Hero" "Dragons" or "Gods Among Us" if they're all mediocre.

>> No.12139735

Well I'm tablet posting from the shitter atm. When I get on my rig and check my library Imwill be able to recommend you what I have.

>> No.12139747

It's hard though. I made a chart like anon's and it took forever. Most books are mediocre anyways.

>> No.12139757

>Most books are mediocre anyways.
Well that's the point of a chart, to bring the few good books to light. Not list random crap that you can find by using the tag search on goodreads.

>> No.12139771

No one agrees on what the good books are though.

>> No.12139788

You fucking suck.

>> No.12139798

That would be a very short list.
Most books I read rate a 3, it's very rare I have a 5/5. Even Daniel Black which I and many others shill has many flaws, but they are easy to ignore because the book offers somethings you can't get elsewhere.
Also what I like/love in a book would not translate well for others. That's why I go by the... for lack of a better word let's say trope. I catalog a book by the majority of tropes it has, then throw them in a chart.

I personally like magic and magical engineering. Finding clever ways to beat a system with magic, or surviving with your wits and limited resources makes a book (when well written) a minimum of 4 for me. Other factors might make me raise it to 5. But as I said, those are far and in between. Some might have great or some good survival or magic, but the prose is horrendous, or the author makes the protagonist do something against their character to cause drama or get out of a bind, or the author writes too many childish characters (when the person is an adult), or the author puts in some PC shit that does absolutely nothing for the story (it's just there for pandering sake and brownie points, I have no problem when they put faggots in books, it's when so much time is dedicated to passing on the knowledge that the person likes it up the poop chute, only for it not to matter at all in the end).

But if you really want I can give some of my top 5s from over the years.

>> No.12139819

Short lists are fine. If you read a lot of books and throw in a few 4.3-4.6s I'm sure it would be big enough.
>But if you really want I can give some of my top 5s from over the years.
Go for it.

>> No.12139854

You will likely say they are edgy (that's what the general likes to say about Breeks anyways).

>> No.12139950

Hmm. Looking back to my early days on goodreads (2010 onwards) I see a lot of books are rated 5stars... when I know they were a 3, but that time I was under peer/author pressure. I didn't want to offend anyone, but I've since grown out of that ingratiating way. I rated name of the wind and wise man fear 5 stars when I saw all the flaws and nowheres the books went, but that time finding good books were hard and you overlooked the flaws and rated high so the author would continue... But I've since seen boosting an authors ego doesn't mean he will release your book, or develop as a writer.
The only five stars I can count on is the past 2-3 years.

>> No.12139969

People get higher standards as they read more, that's normal. So what are your top books nowadays?

>> No.12139989

Chapter 3 is out https://williamscorner.blog

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Speaking of reading new books, I started The Bear and the Nightingale yesterday. I've only read about 50 pages yet but I like where things are going. My fears that it would be just another modern YA novel seem unfounded.

>> No.12140195

lol is this the /lit/ equivalent of, "GO BACK TO /POL/!"?

>> No.12140231

There are no 5 stars for the past 3 years. Some four stars, and many, many three stars.
Wall of Text coming:
All You Zombies
The (sort of) Dark Mage
Sunset(Nightlord #1) (stop at this book)
All Systems Red (The Murderbot Diaries #1)
Ancient Ruins (Ancient Dreams #1) (read this only)
The Big Over Easy by Jasper Fforde
Treason by Orson Scott Card
Tunnel in the Sky by Robert A. Heinlein
Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven
Fevre Dream by George R.R. Martin
The Man Who Fell to Earth by Walter Tevis
Legend by David Gemmell
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson
Girl Parts by John M. Cusick
Rivers of London by Ben Aaronovitch
Good Intentions by Elliott Kay (read this one only)
Something More Than Night by Ian Tregillis
The Trysmoon Saga by Brian K. Fuller
Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell
The Library at Mount Char by Scott Hawkins
Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein
The Time Machine by H.G. Wells
Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke
The Iron Dragon's Daughter by Michael Swanwick
The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers
Metro 2033
Out of the Dark by David Weber
Johannes Cabal the Necromancer
Johannes Cabal by Jonathan L. Howard
Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
Rough Magick by Kenny Soward (rare book based on gnomes)

These are 3.5-4.5 stars and one 5 star. Enjoy.

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How is this?
I am only somewhat familiar with Arthurian legend to be honest.

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Hi new friend. Please pick a book and enjoy the general.

>> No.12140256

I heard it's GRI APPROVED. Been meaning to read it for a few years.

>> No.12140263

I saw some reviews on Goodreads and this one person was very upset and made several questions/comments about whether or not one should read a book by an author who molested her daughter or something. Did that actually happen or is it some form of advanced shitposting?

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>> No.12140410

>look up Fimbulwinter out of this list randomly
>Polyamorous > Harem
>Adult Fiction > Erotica
A-Anon I....

>> No.12140424

It's one of my favourite fantasy books. The writing is great and it manage to capture a feeling of magic in a way that few other books do. It's a little slow at times so if you don't like that it might not be for you.

Her husband was a fan of the old Greek way and she approved of it. He was convicted and jailed numerous times but continued to fuck boy pussy while dropping acid, believing he was some old Greek reincarnated. Absolute madman.

>> No.12140525

Please fuck off back to plebbit.

>> No.12140583

>will take a look at these recommendations.
Oh boy.

>> No.12140591

>The (sort of) Dark Mage
Well, now I gotta trust your list, saved.

>> No.12140607

>no u

>> No.12140620

I really like the poetry of John Keats recommend me a science fiction book

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Here's your Hyperion, bro

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Is it worth a go? Kind of interested in it's mythological pretense but any novel marketed as a bestseller raises red flags for me.

>> No.12140649

I haven't read it, but it sucks.

>> No.12140651

>Sunset(Nightlord #1) (stop at this book)
More like, don't even read this book.
>Good Intentions by Elliott Kay (read this one only)
Same with this.
>The Library at Mount Char by Scott Hawkins
Also shit.

Some are less shit, like the trysmoon saga, and Waldo Rabbit is great. I will check some others though.

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Hey thanks for letting me know

>> No.12140754

The plot is kinda simple with twists and betrayals around every corner and the setting is a little stupid. But if you want a true-to-form Young Adult novel with a moderate amount of edginess, go ahead, because as a YA novel it's okay.

>> No.12140810

Library at Mount Char is awesome, though.

>> No.12140863

>le cuck XD
Opinion automatically discarded.

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I gave it a honest go, but I thought this book sucked. Uninteresting plot, exceptionally uninteresting world and forced tranny action and . It was just awkward pandering. I'm not surprised that it's getting showered in awards though, it ticks all the right boxes and people vote for it to virtue signal.

>> No.12140989

What was this months book?

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>Monthly Reading for November: A Night in the Lonesome October by Roger Zelazny

It's literally in the OP, dude.

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>> No.12141034

Sorry about that. Is it worth my precious time, "dude"?

>> No.12141044


I can't say. I skipped this month's reading club.

>> No.12141045

Your time's not precious if you even consider reading genre fiction, mate.

>> No.12141065

Is it worth my non- precious time """mate"""? Also is sffg really still keeping up this charade that there are males here?

>> No.12141090

Bleeders out

>> No.12141335

I finished it yesterday and I'm definitely glad that I read it. Just read the first 5 or so chapters if you're unsure, they'll give you a good idea about how the rest of the book is.

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im not waiting for the third one

>> No.12141631

I actually read all the way through it, now I want to unread the whole fucking thing

>> No.12141651

>Gerald Tarrant
>morally gray

Pretty damned dark shade of gray, bud.

>> No.12141710

It has great survival logic and magical engineering. Did you read the previous posts? You got to ignore a lot of shit when reading books or you won't enjoy anything.

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Read only the trilogy. That new book shit the fucking bed. He's gone politically correct pandering in the new one. I guess all the rape and cannibalism in the original trilogy came at a cost, and now he is paying the piper (publisher) in the form of PC crap.

>> No.12141767

>was told multiple times it was shit
>has to waste time and read two books to see for himself
It's like pottery.

>> No.12141807

It actually happened. Her husband was known to be a child molester by every SF author in California and eventually went to prison, she testified in his favour, then after she died her daughter said she was molested, so I'd its 99% chance true.

>> No.12141813

Give us a quick rundown fag

>> No.12142046


I thought it had a great set of ideas, but the "Fifth Seasons" were way too separated. The idea of every civilization being based on survival prepper communes was something I don't think I've seen before, and the concept of the world being a palimpsest with civilizations who had incomprehensible technology rusting away in the background, seen as nothing but failures.

Then I realized it was actually a fucking LGBT metaphor with a literally gay conversion therapy camp plot taking up most of the time.

>> No.12142068

I would like to suggest a Throne of Glass and a Court of Thorns and Roses to the list.

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I want to KISS Sarah J. Maas

>> No.12142081

>Then I realized it was actually a fucking LGBT metaphor with a literally gay conversion therapy camp plot taking up most of the time.
Zoomer fantasy is so shit.

>> No.12142092

God me too...Do you think she masturbates to Rhysand and then cucks her husband? Is that her inspiration? I can't believe she graduated Magna Cum Laude.

>> No.12142094

I've taken the brainlet pill and realized my ideas and writing style are best suited for YA or kid's books, but I still want to write science fiction. Does anyone have any good YA sci-fi books they can recommend that aren't "young girl becomes the leader of a post-apocalyptic society?"

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>> No.12142103


The Heinlein juveniles

>> No.12142104

Heilein's YA stuff

>> No.12142109

These are pretty good. Clean, high energy, male, upbeat. They'd be totally unique in today's market.

>> No.12142133

Forgot all about that series somehow. Reading a few of the Warriors books now even though they're hardly sci-fi. I really like xenofiction, but I'm sure something like 'warriors, but with aliens!' would be too derivative to be successful.

Thanks, I'll definitely take a look at those.

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Would anyone recommend the first three Gor novels? I've read they're straight up Burroughsian Sword and Planet before turning into degeneracy with the fourth novel.

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First book was excellent.

>> No.12142512

the protagonist gets better later on, and that murder thing leads to an even bigger war like most story
believe me it does get really good

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>> No.12142553

If you really, really liked John Carter of Mars then yeah, the first three Gor books are a slightly edgier/more explicit (but not ridiculous) riff on Burroughs.

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>> No.12142704

I've been shilling the series for months and have generally been describing it as being "a adventure series, not military scifi but most of the characters just happen to be in the military and are motivated by their commanding officer being murdered by a conspiracy" so it's not like you weren't warned.

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>> No.12143035

why does Cugel insist on fucking up Master Twango's business?

>> No.12143487

What are you fags reading?
Is it good enough so far to tentatively recommend?

>> No.12143505

Monster is an entirely different beast than Traitor in almost every way - where the first book followed only Baru, Monster has several POV characters. Traitor emphasized pretense and betrayal, Monster is more about re-establishing human connections. Most glaringly, while Traitor had a sweeping, sometimes breakneck exploration of a rebellion and it's micro and macro aspects, Monster is a much more traditionally paced adventure.

In an interview about the book, Seth mentioned that the backdrop to the events of Monster was a sort of fantasy Cuban missile crisis scenario. Having devoured the book, I can say this is only accurate if Kennedy took members of ExCom into the Cuban jungles himself to find an ancient Carribean nuclear reactor. I hope you weren't expecting to see the heart of the Empire of Masks this time around, or to see the gaggle of Imperial cryptarchs shanking each other with plot daggers. Baru is,instead, on a boat. And some islands. But mostly on a boat.

To us who went into this book expecting an even more intricate dive into a web of intrigue, betrayal and power plays, Monster can seem like a huge disappointment at first. This is compounded by the fact that the beginning of the book is by far its weakest portion, with shouting, petulance and overt antagonising taking the place of the first book's guarded skullduggery.

When the book gets going however, and more characters enter the fray, this impression quickly improves - the characters are almost universally likeable, the banter has never been better and the writing and pacing are much tighter than in Traitor. However, as I mentioned previously, this comes at the expense of the story's scope - without going into spoilers, Baru and her miserable band of put upon schemers have to find a eugenicistic MacGuffin out somewhere in Oriati Mbo (which is gorgeously realized, hats off to Seth's worldbuilding). In the end, they seem to find it and...that's your lot. The book ends in a cliffhanger, and a particularly non-impressive one.

Overall, I'd say my disappointment with how the book turned out is that my expectations we're,not so much subverted, but completely side stepped. Nothing that I expected to be in the book made it in and what did I found to be much less impactful than in Traitor. Then again, Seth's writing style is only improving and the book is a definite joy to read, once it gets going. I don't regret buying or reading it, but I am much more lukewarm on the ideas developing for the last two instalments.

>> No.12143525

are any good cyoa from android play store?

>> No.12143572

>proudly displaying all that trash
>rating any of them higher than a 1.5

>> No.12143600

The Odyssey

>> No.12143672

I'm reading the first couple Destroyermen books now. They're fine if you like isekai, but I wouldn't recommend them if you're not already a fan of that kind of thing.

>> No.12143734
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The Black Company:

Is it just me or The Books Of The South (aka book 4 & 5) a really boring drag?

I've just finished the part where the remains of the company and their newly recruited rice fucker armies arrive at the first shadow wizard castle and holy fuck, had I to force myself through every page.

From the beginning it was clear that the Black Company series would have a slower pace then David Gemell's or even Joe Abercrombie's books, but sometimes there is just TOO MUCH pointless inner monologue from Croaker.
Does it pack up the pace once the (Spoiler warning!)narrator changes in the later books?

PS: I can't fucking stand the jungle setting for some reason, it feels like Cook tried too hard to put the vietnam-feel into a fantasy setting.

>> No.12143840

Ah. Hello sloth / snail shit poster.

>> No.12143852

Reading >>12140093, now about a 100 pages in and it's still quite decent. I'd recommend it to anyone interested in reading a fairytaleesque story about Russian nobles and frost demons being butthurt about Jesus.

>> No.12143886

>and frost demons being butthurt about Jesus.
I have had my fill with demons being butthurt over jesus atm. This book I'm reading is a slog. I just want it to end.

>> No.12144259

Same. Though where I am it is starting to feel just a tad silly even for Another World.

>> No.12144269

Mistborn. It's okay so far. They don't really explain how stuff works explicitly aside from some characters giving a tad too long an explanation to someone who would obviously know that stuff already.

>> No.12144274

Okay so which of the Another world books do you recommend? I was recommended Fionavar in an earlier thread and Injust can't get into it. So is there anything else?

>> No.12144302

>reading fanfiction of history books

>> No.12144319

dune and all its spinoffs

>> No.12144337

>so much of modern fantasy is bullshit

literally 90% of sf and f is bullshit. people praise golden age Classics but forget the millions of stories about Martian women kidnapping men for wierd sex rituals that were published.

>> No.12144472

Masters of Rome

>> No.12144635

Red Knight because I liked Cameron's new book so I decided to give it another try.

It's fine but I'm not sold on the constant POV flicking, outside of the mc I only really have like the bear stuff so far.
Not sure about recommending it because I checked my progress 100 pages in and realised it was a 1000 page book so there's loads to go.

(unfortunately this will probably set off the one poster who really hates red knight in here)

>> No.12144637

I'm not surprised, it definitely feels like it's going that way. Where does the change start? I'm just starting book 3. I wouldn't be surprised if they take down the amagi or get it to join them at the end of it and things go off the rails at book 4.

>> No.12144644

Shitty explanations really hurt a series. I almost dropped Honor Harrington in its first fucking book thanks to how they interrupted the fucking climactic battle sequence for a pages long explanation of how impeller drives work.

>> No.12144654
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>Masters of Rome
Is this the new Throne of Glass?

Yeah baby!

I just read the synopsis. How grimderp and edgy is it?

>> No.12144711

Book 3 you start to see some of the odd bits. It fits on it's own, and for book 4 they create an interesting subplot, but by 5 they take the subplot and go way overboard with it to the point that the main plot starts to become the subplot.

>> No.12144714

Yeah which is why I think the author tried avoiding the usual tropes. The parts where characters sit someone down and explain things feels like the author might have been afraid some things would just not click and wanted to make sure the reader was following what was going on before going too deep.

>> No.12144751

The first chapter is classic grimdark describing of a massacre but then it's kinda retreated into being a normal fantasy since.

Albeit one with animal abuse and an atheist mc who keeps winding up the churchy characters.

>> No.12144771

Maybe you’re just an idiot? The entire first book is an ancap utopia, if that fact went over your head you don’t actual understand what anarchocapitalism really is and you shouldn’t use big words you don’t understand

>> No.12144779

>I thought was a scathing satire of anarchocapitalism in space.
lol no

Wright's an incredibly obnoxious right winger

>> No.12144780

They literally told him to tone it the fuck down if he ever wants to get paid again. After they bought the movie rights and realized it’s an unfilmable movie in today’s climate where people’s skin color determine their worth, the studio got a little pissy

>> No.12144781

>I fucked up my body with steroids and I'm proud of it!
are bodybuilders the bottom of the barrel IQ on earth?

>> No.12144785

I think he wrote that series when he was still a centrist and before he found Jesus so he could pretend he was Wolfe

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Downloaded. You are going to break my heart if you meme'd me anon, just so you know.


Pls no.

You're just jelly of her giant roid clit.

>> No.12144796

If only more authors found Jesus.

>> No.12144799
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>Is this the new Throne of Glass?

>> No.12144816
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I am just saying Lucius, that series keeps being brought up again and again lately, just like... you know.

>> No.12144881

Now that Lord of the rings is no longer acceptable, and Ice and Fire too popular, what is /lit/'s series? What do we like?

>> No.12144887

We don't like anything.

>> No.12144896

broken earth :)

>> No.12144898

Throne of Glass.

>> No.12144915

Masters of Rome.

>> No.12144960

>Now that Lord of the rings is no longer acceptable

>> No.12144966

They put negros in it

>> No.12144968

It's racist against orcs.

>> No.12144970

Anything written by women (bonus points if she is a person of color)

>> No.12144975

John Scalzi

>> No.12144983

I cannot name a single black, female author.

>> No.12144987
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I’m posting this in every thread until you fuckers like it

>> No.12144992

Since the only arguments against it are literally clickbait journalism tier my takeaway from this is that there is nothing wrong with LotR.

>> No.12144993

dude what if I just redid impressions of africa lmao

>> No.12144996
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>Alan Moore

>> No.12144998

its boring as shit and draws on the least interest myth and folklore in all of europe

>> No.12145001

They are making an Amazon show and they basically came out and said yeah we’re putting non whites as elves n shit, deal with it. Thereby pissing off autists and racists alike. Everything cleared up?

>> No.12145013

>Everything cleared up?
Yeah, now I know why people are triggered. However, a shitty Amazon show doesn't actually change the books.

>> No.12145032


>> No.12145038

Why are the Wheel of Time fans in these threads so silent, is it shame?

>> No.12145057

It was just too soon after the Witcher fiasco.

>> No.12145086

Popular critically acclaimed things bad.

>> No.12145089

Just finished my reread of Ward. Other than the various factions being a bit less memorable it's a straight upgrade to Worm in almost every way.

>> No.12145107

I like what I've read of Worm but it's asking for such a time investment to carry on with it

>> No.12145114

Really? Not even a three years in a row Hugo Award winner?

>> No.12145141

Where did you stop?

>> No.12145143

If Malazan is so good why doesn't Erikson rewrite Gardens of the Moon, considering everyone thinks it's shit and probably hinders people from pursuing more of his series?

>> No.12145153

Last actual bit I remember was her having a meeting with the head and the bullies in school so I'm not far in it.

>> No.12145154

Cuz everyone already paid

>> No.12145164

Try reading his foreword and you'll know why.

>> No.12145172

How about you be a loyal friend and post it for me?

>> No.12145183

Any decent fantasy novels with a nice romance that ends happily? After getting memed into reading Name of the Wind I need something to wash my mind out of the entire dynamic between Kvothe and that whore he loves.

>> No.12145190

Just watch a nice romcom anime instead.

>> No.12145204
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>he actually finished that garbage book

>> No.12145236

If I wanted anime I'd go to /a/.

>> No.12145263

Your homepage doesn't suddenly become reddit.com if you admit NotW was half decent, you know. You just look like a silly contrarian by trying to portray it as a one star book

>> No.12145279

Fuck lads I can't read Hyperion. Too many weird words I have never heard of before, it's just painful to go through.

>> No.12145283

Try BotNS

>> No.12145286

You're retarded

>> No.12145291

This ruse cruise thinking botns is full of hard words. Go read finnegans wake then get back to me

>> No.12145292

I swear, my hate for that book is real

>> No.12145300

I was suggesting BotNS to him just as a book series you pretentious twat.

>> No.12145308

>NotW was half decent
Brain damage it is

>> No.12145324

Thinking that things can only be 10/10 or 0/10 is a very good sign that you've been on 4chan for way too long

>> No.12145328

More Scifi like Never Let Me Go by Ishiguro?

>> No.12145330

What if I think it's a 3.4/10?

>> No.12145344

Not him, but how would you rate the sequel?

>> No.12145345

What if I think there's ever been only a handful of books that are over 4/10

>> No.12145359

Consider cutting out your tongue and having someone break all your fingers

>> No.12145360

NotW: 3/5
TWmF: 2/5
TDoS: 2045 lmao

>> No.12145364

One wonders why you're on /lit/, should probably write your own or get a new hobby

>> No.12145365

>bus stop
>train tracks in the picture

>> No.12145370

New to /sffg/. What are some good sci-fi books that have detailed world building that look at things like politics, culture, race, and language in the future? Preferably something on an interplanetary scale like Altered Carbon or BattleTech or the game Gods Will Be Watching.

>> No.12145373

Why on /lit of all boards?

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I named it that so I could easily find it in my series of Finnish bus stop images

>> No.12145378

Book of the New Sun

>> No.12145386

Why not make a folder?

>> No.12145406

What board should I post it on?

>> No.12145413

For once, BotNS doesn't really fit the request. Too Like the Lightning.

>> No.12145452

I don't know. Somewhere full of 3rd worlders with poor grasp of English language.

>> No.12145471

>tfw can't find /pol/ among the boards anymore
Fucking 4channel, I guess /int/ will have to do.

>> No.12145477

>he doesn't use xchan
It's like you want to get cucked by jannies

>> No.12145481


>> No.12145511

There are multiple skin colours in Red Rising, and I don't mean caste colour.

>> No.12145515

Read Sword & Planet.

>> No.12145519

time to read Vorkosigan buddy

>> No.12145550

>considering everyone thinks it's shit
That's wrong tho

>> No.12145598

why was that man trying to cross the vorrh anyway? (the archer)

>> No.12145662


>> No.12145718

>Avoid Conan
Do you mean avoid the Non-Howard works or all of them? If all, get fucked. Hour of the Dragon is 10/10 fantasy

>> No.12145774

Because the voodoo witch doctor wife told him too. It’s a trilogy now

>> No.12145800

Is the second book in the sprawl trilogy better than the first?
I enjoyed the first half of neuromancer. Second half it went down hill

>> No.12145845

No, Neuromancer is by far the best.

>> No.12145877

Lads help me find a trashy scifi book I leafed through once

Obviously can't remember title or author, and didn't get very far into the plot

Premise was ominous aliens were digging up weapons in ancient burial grounds on some pretense or another, but what they were really after was a lady supersoldier who had been interred indefinitely for space warcrimes.
Obviously she escapes and violences everyone but that's about as far as I got.

>> No.12145918

Not him but a different anon
NotW - 6/10 considering it was along the lines of what I wanted from a book at that point in time
AWMF - 2/10 wish I didn't read it. Frustrating and skipped a ton of things that would have been fun to read about. Character develops backwards and becomes a Rothfuss Mary Sue if he wasn't already which he was
ASRFST - 6.5/10 cute easy read, fun PoV, different way of story telling that was charming. Reading more than a short story of it would be painful.

>> No.12145930

Is this where I ask you for your 8-10 out of 10 and you meme me with Wolfe and Vance?

>> No.12145981

Vance ain't a meme tho

>> No.12145985

I haven't read Wolfe yet 2bh.
Personally I'm more into crime / mystery books. Currently reading ASoFaI and it just feels like a few adventures between exposition dumps.

>> No.12145989

I want to start getting in sci-fi, were should i start.

>> No.12146014

>Personally I'm more into crime / mystery books.
What are your favorites?

>> No.12146021

read OP

>> No.12146028

How is Vance a meme? Barely anybody actually discusses Dying Earth or any of his lesser works here.

>> No.12146052
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Just finished pic related. I felt it's a good aimed at teenagers. Pretty good though

>> No.12146073

Recently read Nomad and Exile by James Swallow
Just saw there was a 3rd book, might have to give it a look

>> No.12146083

What's wrong with Conan or John Carter? Both are classic pulps and while they aren't anything special they are fun to read.

>> No.12146133

Count Zero is better in some ways than Neuromancer. You can see him developing as a writer, trying and succeeding at writing different characters than Hacker or Razorgirl, and expansion of his themes - art and AIs as something more than what people expect. I also liked two of the story resolutions better than Neuromancer - Bobby and Marly's. Neuromancer is still my favorite Gibson novel but CZ is easily second.

>> No.12146321

Quantum thief is a pretty good series if you’re into crime/mystery. I had to stop the series though because the female characters are all insufferable cunts who are incapable of character development

>> No.12146342

You're obviously too dumb to understand most of what you read and mistake this for having high standards.

>> No.12146506

> You got to ignore a lot of shit when reading books or you won't enjoy anything.

>> No.12146537

Asimov's Foundation trilogy is awesome

>> No.12146539

That list was created by an incel who was upset we refuse to read 'woke' fantasy.

>> No.12146544

I've only read the first book. Are the second two better? Not that the first one was bad, just curious quality wise to the rest of the trilogy

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>Sunset found her squatting

>> No.12146561

It upsets me to no end as an American that he's referred to as the "American Tolkien." What an absolute slap to the face of a country that created Sword & Sorcery and Planetary Romance.

>> No.12146584

IMO second one is the best, followed by the first one. Still very worthwhile reading it all

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Is ilium by Dan Simmons any good? Hyperion was my favorite sci fi book of all time and I'm wondering if it was a fluke or if his writing is worth delving into.

>> No.12146602


Yes I am the previous poster

>> No.12146622

It's good, and Simmons is pretty consistent in quality from whatever standalone works I've read though Hyperion will remain his magnum opus. Haven't read Olympos yet and people seem to agree he drops ball there so if you're looking for a satisfying ending you might not get one.

>> No.12146642

People have been saying to avoid him for years. That's why hardly anyone speaks of him.

>> No.12146645
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That list is 3 years old. Incel and woke weren't used here. Hello redshitor.

>> No.12146650

Nice try, woke incel.

>> No.12146658

Do I really need to go into detail? If you search for that perfect book it will never be found. You have to compromise while reading sff. A book might have everything you want, but the protagonist is a hand holding faggot. Do you drop the book or continue?

>> No.12146661

Drop the book.

>> No.12146667

Then you will forever be searching. After reading thousands of books I know tbere is no such thing as Mr Right.

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>sees incels everywhere

>> No.12146687

>he doesn't see incels everywhere

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Just started this. It doesn't have a meme ending right?

>> No.12146694

>using incel as an insult
>on 4chan
Great job outing yourselves guys

>> No.12146699

>t. incel

>> No.12146706

Yeah nah, but I wouldn't make fun of anons using sjw terminology. I'm not that retarded. You do you though.

>> No.12146728

You're gay.

>> No.12146732


>> No.12146741

t. redshit

>> No.12146754

See: >>12146728

>> No.12146792

Don’t expect it to be Hyperion and you’ll enjoy it.

>> No.12146804
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Is there a stigma around WoT? I don't frequent /sffg/
I'm 3/4 through Lord of Chaos and although I imagine it gets a lot of shit for being pretty easily digestible as far as prose gose, I'm pretty enamored with it so far. It's very anime and I'm personally fond of all the autistic braid-tugging and chin-raising and grinning. Charming series so far.

though i imagine the demographic for these books looks like pic related

>> No.12146814

>that fucker Dan Simmons did it to me twice
haha hyperion & illium?

>> No.12146826

Its going to be raped on amazon prime. Please leave them to their grief.

>> No.12146856

There's a few people who regularly hate on it, but in the past there's also been unapologetic discussion of it. I love the series warts and all. For all its flaws I still think it's way more enjoyable than most of the fantasy I've tried reading in the last 5 years. It's not even nostalgia talking because I only started reading WoT in 2012, in my sophomore year of college. For me, nostalgia is stuff like Riftwar, the Hobbit/LotR, ASoIaF, His Dark Materials, or Black Magician Trilogy. Stuff I read in middle and high school.

>> No.12146901

Just read children of men. Shit was good. But
>tfw this is probably Arthur clarke’s Best book

>> No.12146909

>Black Magician Trilogy
>tfw no magic cunny to lose mana to

>> No.12146912

Is Clarke's work as good as, say, Asimov?
Im currently in >>12146693 the concept is interesting, haven't gotten far enough to decide if book is good though

>> No.12146931

they're just mediocre, and it's a very popular series which is never a good thing here

>> No.12146951

in which stretch of books would you say it slows down the most?

>> No.12147060

Too Like The Lightning

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New book! This is pretty good so far. An old, traveling storyteller is arrested after being accused of witchcraft in fantasy medieval eastern Europe. He uses his charisma to make himself important and avoid execution. It's a story about stories and how they shape us.

>> No.12147112

The last few that Jordan wrote before he died, easily. Book 9 is unbearably slow at points, and Mat is the only saving grace of Book 10. Book 11 basically felt like treading water without any real plot advancement.

Prior to that there were still slow spots due to many new character viewpoints being added to the narrative for no real reason. The worst example of narrative bloat early on is in Book 5, probably. Almost a third of the book is wasted on a side plot where nothing important happens. This is made more galling by the fact that one of the 3 main characters was omitted from book 5 while this plodding road trip adventure was inserted almost as if it were to fill space.

>> No.12147116

A shame basically nothing else Canavan wrote has been on par with that series. None of the other books in the Black Magician world were very compelling, especially not the sequels, way too preachy.

>> No.12147121

Too bad about all of the self-congratulatory pronoun wank, it would be in my top 5 this year otherwise

>> No.12147125

whatever book the god awful Faille rescue arc started

felt like 1500 pages of Perrin pissing and moaning "muh Faille!" outside an Aiel camp

>> No.12147153

He's only referred to as that by media people. GRRM's talent lies in character writing, he's genuinely exceptional at it among fantasy authors. Whether or not Tolkien had any talent for writing characters is up for debate, but it's pretty much inarguable that his characters are not the reason he's revered to this day.

>> No.12147185

hm, looks interesting. added to my list. thx.

there is no american tolkien. just as there is no american shakespeare.

>> No.12147209

Still not as good as Twig, fight me.

>> No.12147245

I’d give it a 1/10 tbqh

>> No.12147261

>This is made more galling by the fact that one of the 3 main characters was omitted
Best book in the series because of this.

>> No.12147317

But is there an English Sanderson?

>> No.12147372

About to re-read The Hobbit for the first time since I was a kid. Does it hold up?

>> No.12147426

We call them Canadians.

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Any good military sci-fi recommendations that aren’t the obvious ones: ie Starship Troopers, Forever War, Old Man’s War ect. I’d even settle for some good sci-fi adventure stories as all my past few books have been fantasy.

>> No.12147473


Spiral Wars is the new rec. I'll throw another one that's obvious if you delve a bit deeper, but the Bolo universe stuff has some good bits in there.

>> No.12147521

Seconding Spiral Wars, great shit
6th book fucking when

>> No.12147563

Hammer's Slammers

>> No.12147576

awful name for a book
of all the quotes to pick from

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>> No.12147765

after like book 5, iirc. long time since i read them

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>> No.12147922

>Lord of the Rings
U wot m8

>> No.12148107

It's the same thing but different. If you like the concept he plays with it and maybe breaks it, maybe in a good way. But it doesn't turn into a dialogue-driven character study, if that's what you're asking.

>> No.12148322

>just as there is no american shakespeare.
There isn't someone who stole another's work and published under his name and got insanely popular because of it in America?

>> No.12148328

You want pulp military?
Undying Mercenaries by Bv Larson

>> No.12148423

I wish it was longer, but really like the book.

>> No.12148740

It's not a jungle. It' set on not-India, with monsoon plains, Himalayas and all the rest. There is a Vietnam copy area, although the company never go there it is mentioned a lot. Later on there's some pretty blatant Vietnam war imagery. Personally I found the narrator changes to be a nice breath of fresh air for the last few books; Cook does a nice job of changing the style up a bit with each shift. Overall the ending is still my GOAT fantasy ending but the story is still fundamentally the same, so if your not enjoying it maybe bail out.

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