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[Anonymous No.12122730]

Why do people hate Hegel so much? Yet he seems to be the most studied philosopher

[Anonymous No.12122748]

He ruined everything and is at the root of literally every evil that befall Western countries in the XX century

[Anonymous No.12122749]

>>12122730
half the people say they cant understand him, the other half say he's a genius but their work is even more incomprehensible than him

[Anonymous No.12122753]

[Anonymous No.12122754]

>>12122730
He's an Antichrist

[Anonymous No.12122769]

>>12122754
Care to expound, friend.

[Anonymous No.12122791]

>>12122769
>Truth is found neither in the thesis nor the antithesis, but in an emergent synthesis which reconciles the two
While Christianity is more or less a religion of marriage (heaven and Earth, man and woman, God and man), both entities of the union are preserved and neither ever collapses into the other. His philosophy is gnostic in its approach. You can see this further in his claims of absolute knowledge and and the means by which he obtained it

[Anonymous No.12122800]

>>12122791
>sky fairy

[Anonymous No.12122812]

>>12122769
He was racist. Perhaps a pantheist.

[Anonymous No.12122813]

>>12122730
Jelly niggas

[Anonymous No.12122827]

It's because commies and retroactively coopted him.
He is actually quite based, and pragmatic readings of him are possible. He also clicks neatly into contemporary schizo-mysticism, and that's always very nice.
read Rebecca Comay and Ruda's The Dash

[Anonymous No.12122831]

Schools of political thought on both the left and right are inspired by Hegel but Christians get horrifically offended by him

[Anonymous No.12122888]

>>12122791
>Truth is found neither in the thesis nor the antithesis, but in an emergent synthesis which reconciles the two
show me, with citation to the original literature preferably, where hegel says this. "thesis antithesis synthesis" is the biggest meme and even phil professors keep spouting it

[Anonymous No.12122898]

>>12122791
Actually read Hegel.

[Anonymous No.12123171]

>>12122791
Gnosticism is not antichristian... Christ was literally a Gnostic....

[Anonymous No.12123182]

>>12123171
Pretty sure gnosticism denies christs was the son of god.

[Anonymous No.12123210]

>>12123182
so did Christ

[Anonymous No.12123219]

There is absolutely nothing after the young hegelians

[Anonymous No.12124269]

Because he's dense, indecipherable, and wildly influential to polar opposite intellectual schools. Also he racist.

[Anonymous No.12124613]

They either read a bad translation, read an analysis of a bad translation written by a hack, or never even bothered to read either Hegel's own work or secondary literature about his work. The best critics of Hegel are the ones who acknowledge the breadth and depth of his erudition while attempting to move beyond the particular propositions and formulations that he proposed in his own lifetime (Marx, Fukyama, Zizek, the list goes on). The worst of his critics are the ones who dismiss him in the same way that Hegel dismisses earlier philosophers when he's in a rush to move his discourse forward (a paragraph-long summation of their ideas, a quick explanation of why their ideas are not properly cognizant of the absolute Idea, and then a reminder that cognizance of the absolute Idea is the goal of a philosophical education and therefore not to embrace too readily a philosophy which is not thusly cognizant).

[Anonymous No.12124812]

>>12122730
Because I invested so much effort to understand what he said, only to realize he was wrong, and that he started being wrong in literally the first chapter of his Phenomenology. It was just a big fucking waste of time. Also he is by no means the most studied philosopher.
>>12122827
His relationship to the commies is why people even read him.
>>12123171
wrong
>>12124269
Basically correct

[Anonymous No.12124840]

>>12122748
That would be ockham and brainlet-descrates.
All hegel ruined was his phenomenology.

[Anonymous No.12124874]

>>12124812
>His relationship to the commies is why people even read him.
What about his influence on Schoppy, Nietzsche, Heidegger, etc?

[Anonymous No.12124906]

>>12122748
Honestly if you think about it you are not that wrong, is kinda like all the philosophers who got inspiration from him are saying "you don't know what he is saying, but I do, and I'm going to use this information for my own philosophy" and they came out with the most vile crazy and controversial shit, from Marx to Zizek.

[Anonymous No.12124910]

>>12122748
>He ruined everything
this may be true

[Anonymous No.12124914]

Because he was a severe alcoholic

[Anonymous No.12124939]

>>12122730
>>12124840
>>12124910

Yes, Occam and Descartes.
But the Gnostics long before them.

[Anonymous No.12124952]

>>12122730
He provided the framework for no-no ideologies like Communism and Fascism.

[Anonymous No.12125417]

>>12124874
>Influence on Schopenhauer
Maybe on Schopenhauer's life, but certainly not his philosophy. Schopenhauer dismissed Hegel offhand in TWaWaR, and then addressed the issues he had with Hegel's philosophy in a few essays. It's different than Kierkegaard, who incorporated a negation of Hegel into his philosophy.

[Anonymous No.12125978]

>>12124812
Why was he wrong?

[Anonymous No.12126044]

>>12124952
what are the totalitarian elements of Hegels philosophy?

[Anonymous No.12126271]

Imagine being a dirty physic, muh breed and reproduce, muh the meek shall inherit, nice fucking religion nerds.

[Anonymous No.12126289]

>>12126044
The existence of the state is the presence of God upon the earth.

[Anonymous No.12126308]

>>12126289
gross misinterpretation, try to actually understand what hegel means by state

[Anonymous No.12126321]

>>12126308
>gross misinterpretation
According to Liberalists.
The 'state' has created many things impossible to tribals, cures for diseases and space exploration, exempli gratia.
These, to tribals, would appear to be God-given blessings.

[Anonymous No.12126349]

There's a weird tradition which insists that everyone needs to start with Hegel's most difficult work, the Phenomenology. Despite the fact that Hegel expresses himself very clearly in many other works, professional philosophers still peddle this view that the only worthy study of Hegel begins with the Phenomenology. This is somewhat like starting Aristotle with the Physics, it's a bad idea.

What this inevitably turns into is people either giving up because they don't understand a goddamn thing he's saying, or they need to consult a series of interpretative works, or watch Sadler's Half Hour Hegel series as they read along.

It is undeniable that Hegel is reacting to several different philosophical traditions and therefore cannot be easily understood without some familiarity with those - most crucially Aristotle, Kant, Fichte and Boehme.
However, starting with Hegel's theological works, then his Philosophy of History and Shorter Logic, are good ways to actually gain an understanding of what he's about.

[Anonymous No.12126354]

>>12126044
Angl* scholars puzzled that Prussian retard who glorifies war, militarism, sees The absolute Absolute of the Absolute on horseback in Napoleon, and bullies difference in favor of identity isn't in perfect agreement with their Kantian-Popperian-Habermasian vision of a liberal democracy, more at 11 with other German speakers whose family names contain the letter H

[Anonymous No.12126786]

>>12123171

I'm sure you don't claim that "you" and "your father" are one, so he himself denies it in this sense. His contempt for Mary and Joseph, as his parents, should tell you what he, as Jesus and as God, thinks of this very idea.

[Anonymous No.12126805]

People who say "dialectic" all the time think they'll be perceived as smart by people who can't understand what they're saying, and view that reputation as more important than communicating effectively. In the many times I've seen Hegel referenced that's all I've gotten - which isn't the case with other philosophers I've only secondary information on.

[Anonymous No.12126813]

>>12124910

Hegel: I see God through the very same eye that he sees me through and I'm now less afraid of life as I am of death and you can do the same

Kant: like don't masturbate or something

[Anonymous No.12126941]

>>12126813
I didn't masturbate for 20 days and I felt a lot better, even though I quit caffeine at the same time. I've never tried roleplaying as Yahweh to judge myself by the Judaic moral system of sin and punishment, but I'm guessing becoming very afraid of death wouldn't benefit me as much as not fapping for extended periods of time. Looks like Hegel is a hack after all.

[Anonymous No.12126957]

>>12126941
>becoming very afraid of death

It certainly didn't help your reading comprehension.