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>gf keeps dating me, even though I treat her like shit from time to time

Any books for this feel?

>> No.12116469
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>>12116465

>> No.12116477

>>12116465
I thought all the normies and "redpilled" enlightened posters on 4chan said you cant have a gf/relationship if you have a shitty personality? Really makes me hmmmm

>> No.12116491

>>12116477
Just don’t be an emasculated liberal bugman, simple as

>> No.12116497

Charles Bukowski.

>> No.12116502

>>12116465
A streetcar named desire. It'is a movie tho with young Marlon Brando.

>> No.12116547
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>>12116465
Women like being treated like shit though?

>> No.12116577

>>12116497
This

>> No.12116584

>>12116547
Why?

>> No.12116618

I’ll take her

>> No.12116678

In what kind of way do you treat her like shit do you belittle her or do you not giver her attention

>> No.12116701

>>12116584
It's in their nature. They want to be dominated and disrespected. Women are meant to be subservient to their men. It's that same old thing cucks cry about "hurr why does she only like assholes I'm such a nice guy."

>> No.12116712

>>12116701
Women are so fucking retarded

>> No.12116897
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>>12116712

>> No.12117043

I never had a woman even remotely interested in me.

>> No.12117103

>>12117043
Do you talk to any? If not there's your problem.
Its like complaining you've never seen a bird in person if you never leave your mother's basement.

>> No.12117127

>>12117103
I used to until a year ago.

>> No.12117170

>>12117127
Use the time you're not attempting to woo one on making friends, and improving how you look. The making friends is to work your social ability.
If you stagnate that skill atrophies very hard, and quite quickly.
Then when you've made progress go back out and try for women, hell, by making friends you might even stumble upon someone who is into you. That's how it worked for me.

>> No.12117220

Women like guys who are assertive, not jerks. And you can be nice, but you can't be a fucking doormat.

The reason giant assholes that are disrespectful to women seem to get all the girls is because their choice is usually that or a blubbering pussy "nice guy" who has all of the same negative traits as the jerk off but none of the positive ones.

There is a middle ground and its just being a relatively normal person

>> No.12117240

>>12117220
>being a normalfag

Fuck off

>> No.12117259

>>12117220
Women like confidence above all, even above looks.

>> No.12117277

>>12117240
t. pathetic incel

>> No.12117282

>>12117220
i genuinely think they 'like' it when youre mean to them, not just as a joke, but actually cruel
What's more i think this works on a lot of guys as well

>> No.12117287

>>12117282
There are PUA theories that claim if you attack a woman and lower her self-esteem there are more chances you'll bed her as she's more vulnerable.

>> No.12117315

>>12117287
That works on the lowest of the low self esteem women.

You're probably taking advantage of someone who was molested or abandoned or abused as a child.

Daddy issues.

>> No.12117319

>>12116465
Slave and fleshpilled.

>> No.12117320

>>12117315
Yeah, probably. I was just saying.

>> No.12117334

>>12117287
i dont think it's about only women, i think that people naturally respond to being treated cruelly with a kind of deference. I learnt this when i was a kid on my siblings and ive found that it applies to a majority of people

it's basically you make them question themselves with relation to you, you appear like an authority that is judging them but you never explain what the terms of the judgment are, so they remain in a state of low level anxiety because of the ambiguity

another trick is to say extremely cruel things to them outright in a burst of anger and then later apologize and say you didnt mean any of it. Theyll eventually believe that you dont believe the things you said, but the things themselves will linger in their mind, and be associated to you, so if you tailor the insults to actual weaknesses they have then they will automatically adopt a kind of weak state of mind when around you because they remember on some levle that you know these things

>> No.12117395

>>12117334
The mechanics of manipulating people are fascinating

>> No.12117655

>>12116465

This is me. The worst part is that I can be very very nice or very very cruel. Literally everyone knows me as this type of person though, it's not just my girlfriend lol. We've been together over 7 years and she is still the greatest thing in the world. She may love me despite me being a jerk, but i love her for her strength as well

>>12116701
I've never had to worry about any of this stuff and women all liked me any way. They still do, idk why. I'm like a 7-8/10 max

>> No.12117678

>>12116701
It's always interesting when incels and kissless virgins share their opinions on women.

>> No.12117689

>>12117678
I find it quite tiresome.

>> No.12117708

95% of women are NPCs, if you know their programming you can have fun with them

>> No.12117718

>>12117708
This also applies to men.

>> No.12117725

>>12117689
Yet fascinating in a morbid and pathetic way.

>> No.12117771
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>>12117678
you faggots have been throwing around the incel label to such an extent that it lost all its weight. now it's just representative of you being mad but lacking the ability to express it in any other way than lashing out like a teenage girl.

>> No.12117778

>>12117771
Ok.

>> No.12117782

>>12117771
Nah its just used when someone is SO clueless about the opposite sex its hard to imagine them having ever interacted with them, much less in a romantic way.

>> No.12117792

>>12117771
these types are absolutely terrified of being thought of as incels and have to constantly disassociate themselves from the label. They basically have to just repeat exactly whatever women say about the subject beause theyre so afraid of disagreeing with women and potentially being insulted

>> No.12117802

>>12117782
If you believe women don't crave to be dominated then it's obviously you who's lacking any sort of substantial experience with women.

>> No.12117814

>>12117778
>>12117782
>like SOOO WOWWWE *snap* sweaty
this wasn’t written by an effeminate male or disagreeable female

>> No.12117877

Whenever I fuck a girl, I always find it important to beat the shit out of her while I'm going deep.

By doing this, she associates the pleasure of sex with my dominant authority over her. In her mind I become like a tyrannical Adonis, and starts to want me even more because of how boss I am.

>> No.12117896

>>12117395

Not really, did you ever spend time at farms or around lots of intelligent animals?

It's very easy to manipulate someone, it's easy to kill someone, it's not at all fascinating

it's very easy to lie

it's not easy to tell the truth ;)

>> No.12117906

>>12117877
this but unironically

>> No.12117937

>>12117896
I'm not too bright and I'm not manipulative. I could never really get people to do what I wanted. It's fascinating when I see someone completely subjected to another.

>> No.12117965

>>12117782
That's not what it means, however. An incel is a man or a woman (much less likely, I admit) who due to diverse circumstances, be they lack of physical attractiveness, confidence or any other detestable flaws finds themselves unable to find a sexual partner. Using "incel" as a synonym of "misogynistic" is a mistake, for it is certain that there are plenty of misogynists who do in fact get laid.
Anyway, "incel" has been reduced to an all encapsulating insult when in reality it refers to something relatively specific.

>> No.12117974

>>12117896
Stories?

>> No.12118054

>>12117220
This is the best summary of most women's taste that I've seen on this site to date.

>> No.12118095

>>12118054
So they'd rather be with an abusive jerkass than with a submissive wimp? That doesn't sound right.

>> No.12118120

>>12118095
>So they'd rather be with an abusive jerkass than with a submissive wimp?
It's complicated, but basically yes.

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>>12118095
When the choice is between those two bad options, she'll either back out and ignore both, or she'll default to biology and gravitate to whoever the strong one is. It's a little counterintuitive if you've swallowed the meme that many "nice guys," including myself formerly, have swallowed, the meme that men and women are THE SAME in most or all respects. But if you analyze their roles in the animal kingdom and how that translates to intelligent human souls being ridden by the pilot of their instincts, well, then it makes sense.
tl;dr yes women would (in general!) rather be with a jackass than a wimp. It doesn't mean she considers either situation ideal.

>> No.12118147

>>12118129
I figures that neither option would make them happy, but even so, after so many decades of feminist ideas I find it hard to believe that they'd make such a choice.
Of course, there's no lack of women being killed by their partners, but I always assumed that the relationship was alright at the start.

>> No.12118161

>>12118147
m8 look at the upper middle class girls with nice families dating gangbangers and think for a second about why exactly they are doing that

>> No.12118163

>>12118120
If there are any femanons present right now, I'd like them to speak their mind about this. I don't want to believe this claim because I consider myself someone who has a lot of faith in people, but after hearing the same thing so many times weird things happen to my brain. So a bit of female perspective would be nice.

>> No.12118170

>>12118161
I always attributed that to rebellion since girls from wealthy families tend to be cooed a tad too much.

>> No.12118171

>>12118163
Yes femanon here, yes it's true.

>> No.12118173

>>12118147
>feminist ideas
Don't mean squat, as much as new-wave feminists try to deny science and nature.

>> No.12118180

>>12118163
I've seen plenty of abusive/shitty relationships where the woman was absolutely unhappy but still loved the man.

>> No.12118196

>>12118171
Don't take this the wrong way, but do you have any proof? That is to say, screencap? Clothed, preferably.

>> No.12118201

>>12118163
It's true retard. Submissive males are attractive to no one and cannot sustain relationships as their role in them is pointless and ultimately of no use to the woman. Women are built to submit to authority.

>> No.12118207

>>12118196
just listen to women themselves. Look at their romance fantasy novels. look at their pop songs
they are literally telling you what they are attracted to

>> No.12118220

>>12117282
>>12117287
It's a traditional manipulative technique desu. Of course if you're ready to se any kind of means to dominate people you will find some who fall for it or even are into it.

Women are more prone to it because they won't feel "unmanly" if they let themselves being led on. But in practice there's a lot of variations.

>> No.12118230

Sitting around talking about women is so juvenile, they are individuals just like us. There are characteristics that divide females and males, like raves, but like races these aren’t rankable or positive/negative differences.

>> No.12118231

>>12118207
Yeah, I suppose so.

>> No.12118257

Probably the #1 commodity to a woman is attention whether it be positive or negative. But you can go overboard with it which is why super effeminate submissive males arent that desireble. You have to reach a midpoint

>> No.12118269

>>12118163
Those are all generalizations. You find those preferences in both sexes, they're just more prevalent in girls. But we're talking averages here. For a given girl it will depend a lot on her character, social environnement, experience and upbringing.

>> No.12118277

>>12118230
>these aren’t rankable or positive/negative differences.
what are they magic fairy dust?

>> No.12118402

>>12118277
They’re just people

>> No.12118420

>>12118402
and people have measurable differences

>> No.12118423

>>12117220
reminder that by positive traits he means: social dominance, physical dominance, sexual dominance and financial resources. as in big dick, tall, handsome, has friends and is aggressive. no need to be ambiguous
>>12117240
>normalfag
they’re the one’s who engage in cog diss and promote effeminacy among men while simultaneously advertising unattainable alpha behavior to women

>> No.12118489

I feel like I've read this exact same thread so many times before

>> No.12119207

>>12116469
I just lost

>> No.12119242

>>12116465
>>gf keeps dating me, even though I treat her like shit from time to time
What are some books for when she finally leaves you because of this? Because it has just happened to me.