/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12103962]

>With a prepared manifesto and a banner listing their demands, Mishima stepped onto the balcony to address the soldiers gathered below. His speech was intended to inspire a coup d'état to restore the power of the emperor. He succeeded only in irritating the soldiers, and was mocked and jeered. He finished his planned speech after a few minutes, returned to the commandant's office and performed seppuku.
lmao what a loser

[Anonymous No.12103974]

>>12103962
you're a real fucking faggot op

[Anonymous No.12103980]

>>12103962
>He succeeded only in irritating the soldiers, and was mocked and jeered.
;(
he was too good for the world.

[Anonymous No.12104025]

>>12103962
A reactionary homosexual and Japanese. Truly one of a weird kind.

[Anonymous No.12104042]

>>12103962
Coups usually involve a lot of people. Mishima only had four followers. He was completely out of touch and so full of himself to think his ideas are relatable to the audience.

[Anonymous No.12104452]

>>12103962
i blame the soldiers

[Anonymous No.12104660]

It's likely he was just putting on a show and looking for an excuse to die a romantic death but who really knows what was going on in his mind

[Anonymous No.12104699]

>>12104660
This really.
His main literary theme is death which he romanticises, on top of being a Japanese traditionalist it makes sense that an honourable seppuku would be appealing.

[Anonymous No.12104715]

>>12104660
Forerunner of youtube suicides.

[Anonymous No.12104788]

>>12104699
I feel like people who don't understand haven't read Mishima or they're just retards. Also, his seppuku not only was honorable, it was perfect.

Excerpt from a book:

"The wound Mishima made by disembowelment started 1.6 inches below his navel, 5.5 inches long from left to right, and 1.6 to 2 inches deep. Twenty inches of his intestines came out.

It was a magnificent seppuku."

My favorite author of all time

[Anonymous No.12104812]

>>12104788
>glorifying suicide
>suicide for no other reason than self-aggrandizement

[Anonymous No.12104826]

Anglos scratch their heads and wonder why a person would disembowel himself and die for the sake of honor.
The answer is simple, it is not the person who is clueless, but the anglo who is honorless, and does not understand the importance of dramatic death.

[Anonymous No.12104839]

>>12104826
A lot of japs don't like Mishima either

[Anonymous No.12104863]

>>12104826
It wasn't even honor. He was serving no one and wasn't part of any organization. He was dying for nothing. Mishima was living in the past and trying to make up for his inability join the Japanese Army during WWII. Writing literature was just his way of coping.

[Anonymous No.12104919]

>>12103962
honestly it was a bit gay but we still gotta give it up for my man

[Anonymous No.12104922]

>>12104826
please go outside once in awhile

[Anonymous No.12104960]

>>12104812
Welcome to Japanese culture

[Anonymous No.12104976]

Oversocialised bourgeois liberals and resentful politics-brain incels will never undersand Mishima... or rather they see no reason to ever not willfully misunderstand him... His whimsical disrespect for categories... his virility in pursuing and embodying "illusionary" and "arbitrary" things... his love of human life and its rituals amplified rather diminished than by his critical intelligence... one will find no better successor to Wilde in the Western tradition. We are too serious, and consequently too dry and apathetic. All of our supposed "irony" is really a moralist bulwark against transgression of convention. The contradiction embodied by Mishima is that a touch of levity is necessary to really meaningfully engage with the world.

[Anonymous No.12104988]

>>12104976
At the end of the day, Mishima was just an insecure man. He should've visited a shrink instead of double downing on his self-destructive path.

[Anonymous No.12104989]

>>12104988
but that's so boring

[Anonymous No.12105063]

>>12104826
>>12104976

Mishima spent 5 years of his life creating an excuse (the nationalism, the obsession with honor) for his suicide over not being able to love Morita openly and his inability to deal with sundry insecurities and neuroses.

There's nothing noble or interesting about his actual death or his professed commitments, which were a pretext for being driven to suicide by an uncaring, intolerant society and a fucked up childhood.

[Anonymous No.12105127]

>>12104988
>>12105063
Reductive. Suicide's foremost presence in his psyche was its aesthetic-erotic element. His suicide probably had more conventional and depressive motivations too, but you can't just rule it out as window-dressing or dishonest rationalisation. It's something that existed inside Mishima from his earliest childhood memories. You could interpret it as totally liberated sexual self-expression. Everyone else considers it a perverted self-destructive transgressive act, but who cares about their intolerance...

[Anonymous No.12105154]

>>12103962
He sacrificed his life for an ideal. Not something a fag-tard like you could understand. His life and death was fucking poetic

[Anonymous No.12105156]

>>12104976
Couldn't have said it better myself

[Anonymous No.12105157]

>>12105154
His ideal was dumb, though

[Anonymous No.12105161]

>>12105154
Feel free to mcfucking kill yourself for an ideal any moment my m8

[Anonymous No.12105326]

>>12105161
please go back to r*ddit

[Anonymous No.12105338]

>>12104660
I think the same.

But I think I can understand to some extent Mishima's worries.
Japan had a beautiful culture, cultivated to thousands of years, and many people in Japan (mostly old people) are against the incorporation of western element in their culture. It seems like Mishima thought Japanese culture was lost, and he didn't want to be involved in the post-WII Japan.

>>12104788
I want the source of that book.

It sounds VERY FUCKING painful.

I also find strange to reconcile the very meaning of seppuku as it is portrayed in ancient Japanese culture, and the death of Mishima. I've no doubts that in Mishima's eyes it was a honorable death, but I doubt japanese people would consider that kind of seppuku honorable.

[Anonymous No.12105551]

>>12104988
How would a psychiatrist have helped him?

[Anonymous No.12105556]

>>12104788
Didn't his friend botch the decapitation and had to chop a few times?

[Anonymous No.12105570]

>>12104976
>>12105127

based, the amount of soft faggots itt is astounding, it's hardly surprising they can't imagine ideals worth more than life

[Anonymous No.12105806]

>>12105556
Yes.
>>12105570
What ideals though? Getting his dick hard and not having to see old age. It was a completely self-centered sacrifice.

[Anonymous No.12106077]

>>12105338
What the fuck are you talking about mate, Mishima himself was westernized as fuck.

[Anonymous No.12106109]

>His speech was intended to inspire a coup d'état to restore the power of the emperor.

[Anonymous No.12106148]

>>12103962
was it autism?

[Anonymous No.12106464]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLGMm6c_BCA

He just wanted a death the modern world couldn't provide him

[Anonymous No.12106478]

>>12104863
The distance between you and honour is very big.

[Anonymous No.12106518]

>>12105161
>>12105157
may you find your way one day

[Anonymous No.12106874]

>>12104660
This
He literally wrote about the beauty of heroic failure and cutting himself open in Sun and Steel. Whether he could have actually inspired the soldiers to revolt through his speech, I can't know. But I fully believe he intended to kill himself after failing to do so

[Anonymous No.12106964]

>>12103962
He never expected it to work, you've missed the point completely.

[Anonymous No.12107108]

>>12104788

Oh yeah, dude chopped his intestines off, so honorable hahaha

[Anonymous No.12108598]

>>12105570
Ideals like finding some young qt japanese boi pucci for him to eat out.

[Anonymous No.12108631]

How many authors have committed seppuku?

We have Mishima and Martinson so far; who else?

[Anonymous No.12108646]

>>12103962
fuck meiji honestly

[Anonymous No.12110017]

>>12108631
Haruki Murakami

[Anonymous No.12110041]

>>12104988
>thanks for the pharmaceuticals and pseudo-scientific dream analysis dr. shlomo

[Anonymous No.12110043]

You're a faggot if you think it matters whether he was Japanese or Western

[Anonymous No.12110044]

>>12103962
How important you are????
show bob and vagene

[Anonymous No.12110172]

>>12106518
>I know, as long as I keep avoiding any engagement with people who question my beliefs all while chanting MUH IDAELS loudly enough, I can maintain my fully deserved sense of smug superiority!
>w-why are these sheeples mocking me? MUH IDEALS MUH IDEALS MUH IDEALS MUH IDEALS

[Anonymous No.12110222]

>>12103962
That was literally his masterplan all along. He wanted to die in a heroic way and the heroic way here was risking your life in attempting a coup d'etat and killing yourself in a traditional honorable way if said coup won't succeed. Maybe you should read his book before posting? Oh, I forgot, nobody does that on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.12110225]

>>12105127

If he wanted to live up to his own aesthetic ideal he would have gone to war and died facing down some GIs with a sharpened stick after he ran out of bullets on Iwo Jima.

[Anonymous No.12112222]

>>12103962
Based

[Anonymous No.12112231]

>>12110222
>being laughed at and dying like a fag was my plan all along!
>haha I was only pretending to be retarded

[Anonymous No.12112788]

>>12103962
how has his standing and reputation survived him being a closeted right-wing terrorist?

[Anonymous No.12112837]

>all the moralising pathetic life deniers in this thread

[Anonymous No.12112886]

>>12104922
Not an argument. Weakest of all logical fallacies desu.

[Anonymous No.12112960]

>>12104826
Creating unnecessary drama is womanly and narcissistic. A true honorable man faces and embraces whatever drama life throws at him with calm, but do not partake agitation for its own sake.

Mishima, like many of its contemporaries fascinated by a certain esthetic of masculinity (think Marinetti, in a different register Brasillach, but it actually goes as far as Hemingway) was in reality a dandy, and as a dandy he couldn't help but subvert and aestheticize the moral ideals he pretended to build his life on. His commitment to the ideal ofthe Japanese warrior was laden with ambiguity, not that it makes him a fool.

We can feel for his plight or admire his consistency in his final moments, but do not mistake his behaviour for that of a traditional honor-led, duty-bound warrior.

[Anonymous No.12113168]

>>12104042
exactly.

his arrogance underestimated the average japanese psyche. many were ready to move japan into a new chapter post ww2 but mishima's body...although chiseled, was never ready. he was quixotically stuck in the past.

[Anonymous No.12113202]

>>12103962

>Never in physical action had I discovered the chilling satisfaction of words. Never in words had I experienced the hot darkness of action. Somewhere there must be a higher principle which reconciles art and action. That principle, it occurred to me, was death.

[Anonymous No.12113488]

>>12110172
hmm, yes, quite cringe my dear

[Anonymous No.12113499]

>>12112960
Crying? We are replacing you, breeder scum. Mishima was one of our greatest footsoldiers in the subversion of bourgeois heterosexuality!!

[Anonymous No.12113972]

>>12104826
Based

[Anonymous No.12114755]

>>12110172
Please learn the difference between qualitative and quantitative

[Anonymous No.12114841]

>>12112788
That's part of the appeal anon

[Mr jackpots No.12114985]

He wanted a “heroic tragic death” and after getting mad gains, he bestowed it on himself

[Anonymous No.12115066]

>You guys ever wonder if this guy's just tryna fuck us?

[Anonymous No.12115146]

>>12104025
>Conservative homosexuality in Japan
>Weird
lol good one anon