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Anonymous Sun Nov 18 21:51:40 2018 No.12103744 [Reply] [Original]

how do I become smart enough to read and understand this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 18 21:53:45 2018 No.12103753 >>12103744 The question should be: How do I dumb myself down enough to understand anglo gibberish?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 18 22:33:29 2018 No.12103990 File: 214 KB, 934x1245, IMG_2445.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12103744 Don't bother. I get the feeling that Finnegans Wake was written by Joyce purely to laugh at critics when they inevitably praised it, because he knew it was shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 18 22:45:26 2018 No.12104046 >>12103744 You literally have to become joyce to understand it fully. Not shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 18 22:46:27 2018 No.12104051 >>/lit/thread/S11100072#p11102719

>>	January !MrMnqxS.bg Mon Nov 19 01:23:17 2018 No.12104700 >>12103990 >when they inevitably praised it Joyce got absolutely shit on by critics when he was publishing work in progress.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 01:30:51 2018 No.12104726 Imagine how easy Finnegan's Wake would be to write today. >write a novel normally >go on thesaurus.com and replace every word with most obscure synonym >then proceed to translate some words into latin, some into greek, some into french

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 01:35:52 2018 No.12104748 >>12104726 God you fucking plebs are ignorant

>>	January !MrMnqxS.bg Mon Nov 19 02:05:03 2018 No.12104833 >>12104726 This isn't at all what Finnegans Wake is.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 02:34:06 2018 No.12104891
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>>12104046

Best post, only he can actually know what his mind was doing at each phase.

>>12103744

OP, it's not so much being smart, as being culturally prepped/well read, to understand and pick up on the various memes/jokes/references. I've read almost none of what I'm about to quote you, but it's clear to me that reading this stuff is a big help.

-Iliad/Odyssey (Ulysses prep).
-Some Plato/Aristotle (prep since Joyce received a classical Western education and used that in his stuff)
-a brief history of Ireland, take your pick (cultural grounding)
-Joyce's major works: Dubliners, Potrait, Ulysses (natch, a progression for understanding what comes later)
-Vico, New Science (purported to be a basis for the Wake)

-Personally, I found it useful to read large books about the Book of Kells (that edition's image) and the Bayeux Tapestry over a year ago, for general cultural grounding and out of personal interest. Still, the above for their own sake at the time.

Afterbirth-literature on the subject includes the McLuhan's works (father and son), the McKenna book and/or the "Skeleton key", I forget which is which here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 02:35:09 2018 No.12104894 >>12104891 Add to this obviously familiarity with the various languages that Joyce was using/punning in, generally northern euro languages and whatever else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 02:49:01 2018 No.12104925 >>12103990 >>12104726 Why bother posting when clearly neither of (You) have read Finnegans Wake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 03:57:53 2018 No.12105013 >>12103744 its literally drunk ramblings by a man who enjoyed smelling farts

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 04:01:20 2018 No.12105020 The beginning of the sentence is at the end of the book for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 07:05:10 2018 No.12105277 reading is supposed to be enjoyable

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 07:15:26 2018 No.12105302 >>12103990 >I get the feeling stopped reading here

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 10:57:27 2018 No.12105886 >>12104925 Alright tough guy. Alright hotshot, Mister Big-Dick-on-Campus. If you're so wicked smart like your ma says you are, go on and summarize the sumbitch.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 11:02:44 2018 No.12105904
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>>12104748
>>12104833
>On Good Friday in the year 1938, the writer Jacques Mercanton paid a call on his friend James Joyce. He found the author deep in conference with lit scholar Stuart Gilbert - Joyce was distrubed that a passage in Finnegans Wake was "still not obscure enough." The solution: Joyce decided to add some words from the language of the Samoyedic peoples of Siberia.
Genius writer, everyone

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 11:04:50 2018 No.12105909 >>12103744 Why read the Fart Sniffer's gibberish?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 11:22:03 2018 No.12105963 >>12105020 WHOA.... ITS LIKE EVERYTHING GOES AROUND IN A CIRCLE OR SOMETHING, SO FUCKING DEEP, JOYCE IS TRULY THE GREATEST WRITER OF ALL TIME

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 11:40:39 2018 No.12106029 >>12103990 Joyce has spent 17 years writing FW and he considered it to be his masterpiece

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 12:02:06 2018 No.12106116 Intelligence is a purely genetic trait. You can't become more intelligent. Do something else >>12103744

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