/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12089595]

How do you reconcile falling in love and wanting to fulfill her wishes by giving her a child with the impregnable philosophical stance that is Antinatalism?

[Anonymous No.12089610]

>>12089595
I don't since my testosterone is too high which makes me practically immune to soiboi mindsets like antinatalism.

[Anonymous No.12089652]

>>12089610
It's dopamine more likely. Also how can you be proud of being born with good neurotransmitter levels? How can one be proud of his achievements when a ridiculous amount is governed by his biology?

[Anonymous No.12089655]

>>12089652
Nobody said anything about pride, I am just personally grateful I am not you

[Anonymous No.12089657]

>>12089610
>soiboi mindsets like antinatalism
yeah because becoming completely enslaved to your job in order to be able to raise a family is woke af

[Anonymous No.12089663]

Imagine voluntarily removing yourself from the gene pool

Laughinggirls.jpg

[Anonymous No.12089668]

>>12089663
Da gene pool, muh western civ, muh white race.

[Anonymous No.12089673]

>>12089610
>soiboi mindsets like antinatalism
Having children is the ultimate cuckoldry.

[Anonymous No.12089674]

>>12089655
Same for me towards you my NPC friend

[Anonymous No.12089677]

>>12089673
Absolute, ultimate truth

[Anonymous No.12089680]

I got a vasectomy at 20, so I just tell her I'm trying

[Anonymous No.12089688]

>me alpha ooga booga
Why are meat portals so dumb?

[Anonymous No.12089695]

Im spreading my seed to innumerable whores across the world. Meanwhile ,you NEETs are finding philosophies to justify your lack of pussy. That's all there is to it.

[Anonymous No.12089700]

>>12089673
>he wanks off to the idea of his children having sex
Degenerate.

[Anonymous No.12089701]

>>12089695
I hope you like paying child support

[Anonymous No.12089705]

>>12089688
>I can't compete with those physically superior men. It makes me feel bad. I know, I'll just convince myself they're dumb!
How does it feel knowing I'm physically and intellectually superior to you?

[Anonymous No.12089715]

>>12089680
Yikes

[Anonymous No.12089718]

Antinatalism never appealed to me, not even in my edgy phase.
Just fucking kill yourself, save us the whining.

[Anonymous No.12089724]

>>12089705
You will still die, but I won't suffer from banal stuff like you.

[Anonymous No.12089736]

>>12089718
>Just fucking kill yourself, save us the whining.
You don't know what antinatalism is or you misunderstand it severely. Not creating new life =/= erasing a life that already exists.

[Anonymous No.12089748]

>>12089673
Reintroduce bride price.

[Anonymous No.12089749]

>>12089724
I will die having had a better life, and that's all that matters, frankly.

[Anonymous No.12089755]

>>12089736
Convenient how anti-natalists clean their hands of any responsibility for reducing suffering through not breeding rather than actively assisting the impoverished.

[Anonymous No.12089760]

>>12089749
If you don't know how.

[Anonymous No.12089764]

>>12089610
Your iq must be minuscule if you are immune to reality

[Anonymous No.12089765]

>>12089755
Hey it's not my fault if Mohammad is unable to grasp how to put a condom on and had 8 babies as a result, if he's poor he can go fuck himself

[Anonymous No.12089771]

>>12089755
I'm a hedonist not a philanthropie.

[Anonymous No.12089772]

>>12089673
Having daughters is the ultimate cuckoldry you mean, and the fact is that having daughters is a sign of genetic defects and latent homosexuality. Men in my father's family, of course never have had daughters so my y-chromosome is not defective and I will have only sons.

[Anonymous No.12089775]

>>12089736
If life is so bad and if suffering is so terrible, it does follow that you should probably off yourself.

[Anonymous No.12089783]

My problem with antinatalism is that it's entirely based on subjectivity. The idea that suffering is bad is subjective, many people view suffering as a positive, necessary, or trancendental experience. Intelligent and self-concsiouss life is the rarest thing in the universe and you are removing the possibility of someone experiencing that by assuming they will reach the same conclusions as you (view life as suffering). And supposing for arguments sake that a person does reach the same conclusions as you, they have the option of checking out by suicide at any time anyway.

[Anonymous No.12089787]

>>12089772
Having daughters is the best way of establishing a large family and intergenerational wealth, assuming you marry your daughters off to good men with intellegence and social standing.
There's absolutely nothing cuckhold like about your daughter having sex with men, that's normal behaviour. If you weren't an r9k cave dweller you wouldn't view it so negatively.

[Anonymous No.12089802]

>>12089783
You view it as beatiful because you are suffering throught it, is tribalism, isn't a votation, the commoner is too stupid to realize.

[Anonymous No.12089807]

>>12089755
what part of antinatalism says a person can't assist the impoverished and also not bring kids into a life of (likely) pain?

>>12089775
Not really. You can still use your life to help make things not so terrible for others, but the ultimate mercy/philanthropy is still to not bring anyone else into the world. The only thing you can do after spilling milk is clean up the mess and make sure it doesn't happen again. Throwing away the whole carton doesn't solve anything or help anyone.

[Anonymous No.12089810]

>>12089802
Is English your second or third language? Your post made very little sense to me, bunch of garbled nonsense to be honest.

[Anonymous No.12089831]

>>12089755
Infact it is a common antinatalist position that it's better to adopt than to procreate, faggot.

[Anonymous No.12089833]

>>12089807
No one says they're exclusive, but it's not like you see a bunch of anti-natalists running around in social services.

A.N like to think they're doing some sort of ultimate good for the world by merely sitting on their hands, and that's what irks me. Not to mention the fact that their offspring probably won't feel the way they do about the matter.

[Anonymous No.12089837]

>>12089831
> Infact it is a common antinatalist position that it's better to adopt than to procreate, faggot.
You hate kids so much you decide to abduct somebody else's child and make his life miserable?

Sounds like the plot of a classic fairytale. I think I saw a Disney cartoon about that.

[Anonymous No.12089838]

>>12089833
>ooga booga muh dick

[Anonymous No.12089846]

>>12089837
>Adoption is abduction
What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.12089848]

>>12089807
It's more comparable to someone ordering a pizza and you going on a rant about how you don't like the topping.
Don't eat, shoot yourself. Most people enjoy it and if they don't they check out.

[Anonymous No.12089854]

>>12089833
>A.N like to think they're doing some sort of ultimate good for the world by merely sitting on their hands, and that's what irks me.
I don't disagree but I think this describes most of anyone who takes a stance about anything anywhere

see: every person that things they're contributing to politics by putting their pronouns and a hammer and sickle emoji in their twitter bio

[Anonymous No.12089857]

>>12089846
>>Adoption is abduction
Of course it is. Just because there's a legal framework where you're allowed to do this doesn't change the meaning of actual actions.

'Adoption' means stealing kids whose parents are either dead, unknown or incapacitated in some way. In any case, you're violating the consent of the child. (Who cannot concept, being underage and all.)

[Anonymous No.12089876]

>>12089854
I agree, most people are like this. Thoreau ripped these people a new one in On the Duty of Civil Disobedience.

[Anonymous No.12089882]

>>12089595
why are you alive

[Anonymous No.12089888]

>be self replicating organism
>dont replicate because youre too smart for that

[Anonymous No.12089921]

>>12089888
>he thinka self replication is meaningful or dilçiliyi
The point of breeding is to delude yourself your offspring will be you.

[Anonymous No.12089926]

>>12089921
the point of breeding is that you have been shaped by various natural processes to be good at it

[Anonymous No.12089929]

>>12089787
Defective y-chromosome detected

[Anonymous No.12089934]

>>12089882
My dad wanted to bust a nut and my mom let him. I don't think the heritability of mental conditions or their financial capability to support another human crossed either of their minds.

[Anonymous No.12089937]

>>12089934
why are you still alive

[Anonymous No.12089939]

>>12089888
>And still I, John, questioned the Lord, saying, "Lord, how did man have spiritual origin in a carnal body?" And the Lord said to me: "By their fall spirits of heaven entered the female body of clay and took on flesh from the lusts of the flesh and took on [spirit at the same time]. . . . Spirit is born of spirit and flesh of flesh; and thus the reign of Satan ceases not in this world.

[Anonymous No.12089948]

>>12089939
>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

>Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

>And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

>And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

[Anonymous No.12089950]

>>12089705
It feels like you got lucky and we should all clap for you.

[Anonymous No.12089952]

>>12089937
Because killing myself would not undo my birth which is what antinatalism is about. In addition to a slew of other potential reasons people may have for not killing themselves.

[Anonymous No.12089955]

>>12089952
why are you against the concept of birth?

[Anonymous No.12089962]

>>12089926
I shape myself.

[Anonymous No.12089967]

>>12089948
>"He commanded the earth to bring forth all living things —animals, trees, and herbs. The sea he commanded to bring forth fish; and the air, birds of the heavens. And he pondered on making man to serve him; he took clay of the earth and made man like unto himself. And he then bade an angel of the second heaven to enter the body of clay. Of this body he took a part and made another body in the form of a woman" and bade an angel of the first heaven to enter into it. And the angels grieved deeply that they thus had a mortal form imposed upon them and that they now existed in different forms. And Satan bade them to perform the works of the flesh in their bodies of clay, but they did not know how to commit sin. The originator of sin accomplished his purpose by his seduction, in this way: He planted a paradise and set men therein and bade them not to eat of its fruits. The devil entered Paradise and planted a bed of reeds in the midst of Paradise; of his spittle he made a serpent and bade him remain in the reeds. Thus the devil concealed the knowledge of his deceit so that they would not perceive his treachery. He went in to them saying, 'Eat of all the fruit in Paradise, but of the fruit of good and evil eat not.' Thereafter the wicked devil, entering into the evil serpent, deceived the angel who was in the form of a woman and poured out upon her head a longing for sin," and Eve's desire was like a glowing oven. Forthwith, the devil in the form of the serpent came out of the reeds and sated his lust on her with the serpent's tail. That is why [the offspring] are called not sons of God but sons of the devil and sons of the serpent, fulfilling the diabolic desires of their father even unto the end of the world. After this, the devil poured out his longing upon the head of the angel who was in Adam; and [both angels] were affected by a lust for debauchery, together begetting children of the devil and of the serpent, until the consummation of the world."

[Anonymous No.12089971]

>>12089962
the most 101 iq statement

[Anonymous No.12089973]

>>12089595
>Impregnable
Nice

[Anonymous No.12089978]

>>12089939
Woah dude, Christ was an archon. Woah dude, gnosis isn't from the Holy Spirit, but from my historically poorly supported texts. Woah dude, I'm levitating.

[Anonymous No.12089995]

>>12089663
Imagine being cucked by your selfish genes to such an extent that that your entire purpose in life is to be a meat puppet for them. Imagine being an NPC who only knows zero-sum games.

[Anonymous No.12090012]

>>12089955
Birth brings with it the guarantee of suffering independant of the sufferer's will. If you were to put a big red button that said "ARE YOU COOL WITH BEING BORN?" in front of a soul before it would be born this would be a non-issue for me. All that matters is that you make the biggest choice for a person before they even get to comprehend that choice, and by the time they can grasp it it's too late. They've already suffered and killing themselves won't undo the suffering (wanting to kill yourself is typically only caused by suffering after all). I don't care that many people do like being alive, I care that some people don't, and there's no way to know which will pop out of your wife until it's too late.

[Anonymous No.12090015]

>>12090012
>suffering is evil
Cringe and bluepilled my dude

[Anonymous No.12090089]

>>12089680
>>12089695
>>12089718
>>12089610
>>12089771
>>12089663


Why so many edgy, retarded posters here in this thread ? Is this r/redpill ?

[Anonymous No.12090093]

>>12090015
I never said suffering is evil. But pain is objectively painful. Some people will be born equipped to handle pain in whatever form it may come in, and others won't. To create life is to say you don't care about the portion of lives that aren't able to handle it, ie. you're okay with making people who can't handle it endure pain.

[Anonymous No.12090127]

>>12090093
Why can some handle pain while others can't?

[Anonymous No.12090138]

>>12089764
Not an argument. IQ has nothing to do with how you react to reality.

[Anonymous No.12090146]

>>12089595
Antinatalism is a meme. Only genetic dead ends embrace it.

[Anonymous No.12090162]

>>12089610
This. Antinatalism is the most degenerate mindset there is.

[Anonymous No.12090168]

>>12090127
You can't handle the pain, you can only hide it.

[Anonymous No.12090175]

>utilitarians attempt a philosophy
>it's fucking retarded
lmao when will they learn

[Anonymous No.12090187]

>>12090127
You'd be better off asking psychological and physiological experts than I, but I doubt they'd have all the answers either.

[Anonymous No.12090201]

>>12090175
How is it retarded?

[Anonymous No.12090251]

>>12090089
You're in an thread that's made by someone mad at mom and dad for giving him a chance at life.
This thread oozes edgy and it's the OP his fault.

[Anonymous No.12090268]

Are there any actual retorts to anti-natalism that don't appeal to emotionalism?

[Anonymous No.12090316]

>>12089668
>Da gene pool, muh western civ, muh white race.
you must have a sad life

[Anonymous No.12090320]

>>12089610
Extremely based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.12090342]

I cant wait for the world Im going to bring my children into when all low test liberals have all become anti-natalists and died off leaving only children born of ultra conservatives
Its going to be like the birth of a golden age, I hope as much people become anti-natalists as possible, I might start donating to their youtube channels to keep up the message

[Anonymous No.12090355]

>>12090342
>leaving only children born of ultra conservatives
and 100 times the amount of Muslims' children
Who will sooner or later rape and slaughter you all

[Anonymous No.12090364]

>>12090268
There's literally nothing wrong with emotionalism. Its the foundation of all human thought and desire, it is desire itself infact, and excluding it is the deathknell (literally here) of any intellectual project

[Anonymous No.12090367]

>>12090355
They've had 1600 years to do that and Christianity is bigger than ever. We'll win because we're superior, especially after the cancer dies off soon and there's nothing holding us back

[Anonymous No.12090394]

>>12090367
>Christianity is bigger than ever
>Reflecting the change among Protestants, the share of Christians overall has declined from 83 percent of the adult population in 2003 to 72 percent on average last year. In the same time, the number of Americans who say they have no religion has nearly doubled, to 21 percent.

[Anonymous No.12090406]

>>12090342
*snap*

[Anonymous No.12090411]

>>12090394
I was using Christianity in a spiritual sense you idiot. Atheists are still Christians

[Anonymous No.12090427]

>>12090411
Even counting atheists in on the basis that they're raised on Christian morals, we're all going to be a minority in a generation.

[Anonymous No.12090437]

>>12090427
And that's a good thing!

[Anonymous No.12090458]

>>12090437
The world is all yours, Mohammad.

[Anonymous No.12090507]

>>12089610
fpbp

[Anonymous No.12090519]

>>12090507
It's the cringiest post ITT and that's saying something

[Anonymous No.12090565]

>>12089973
glad someone appreciated it

[Anonymous No.12090586]

Antinatalism isn't the issue here, it's civilization and the fact it has spawned billions of genetically defect humanoïds.

[Anonymous No.12090601]

>Implying antinatalists get laid

[Anonymous No.12090680]

>>12090519
Doesn't mean it isn't 100% true

[Anonymous No.12090705]

>>12089595
>How do you reconcile falling in love and wanting to fulfill her wishes by giving her a child with the impregnable philosophical stance that is Antinatalism?
Simple. Be gay

[Anonymous No.12090717]

>>12089610
This. Testosterone literally biologically makes you more tolerant to suffering pain - the two arch-enemies to antinatalist basedboys.

[Anonymous No.12090896]

>>12089595
Antinatalists are cucks

[Anonymous No.12090934]

>>12089857
but your other point was it makes their life miserable. isn't the other option like, idk, leaving the child in a forest to die from exposure?

[Anonymous No.12091301]

>>12089595
>>12089674
>if you're not perpetually depressed like me you're not intelligent enough
lmao what an absolutely pitiable abomination. meme philosophy threads should be autosent to >>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.12091396]

>>12090268
No, and is even worse on 4chan since everybody here is starved for sex, they literally cannot comprehend that people don't want children.

[Anonymous No.12091400]

>>12091396
>everybody here is starved for sex
no

[Anonymous No.12091401]

>>12090411
Why do people say shit like this? You might as well say that Christians are all actually Greek pagans. Dualism existed before Christianity. Many of its ethical positions pre-date it.

[Anonymous No.12091405]

>>12091400
Sure thing alpha male, go save western civlization, deus vult.

[Anonymous No.12091416]

>>12091405
why do I have these responsibilities

[Anonymous No.12091472]

>>12091396
I want children and I believe in antinatalism. OP's question is how to reconcile the two. The only sufficient solution is adoption like >>12089831
suggested, but we all know that will never be the same as actually making a child in your image with a loving partner. Even if you could guarantee the child would have every financial advantage, every support system available to him including a loving family, you could not account for things out of your control like heritability of illness (mental most of all), tragedy, genetics, sociological factors. The only winning move is not to play.

[Anonymous No.12091480]

>>12091401
>You might as well say that Christians are all actually Greek pagans

They are and there's nothing wrong with saying that. But the Christian event was the most important transcendental experience for mankind so it takes primacy

[Anonymous No.12091484]

>>12091472
Fuck off breeder, anti natalism is not about spooks.

[Anonymous No.12091490]

>>12091472
No you're a dipshit
The proper reconciliation is bringing children into the world exactly TO suffer

[Anonymous No.12091494]

>>12091490
Shadilay my fellow christian deus vult.

[Anonymous No.12091500]

>>12089595
>impregnable philosophical stance that is Antinatalism

lmao antinatalism isn't nowhere near "impregnable". It's basically junk philosophy.

[Anonymous No.12091506]

>>12089783
but all life is suffering no matter how happy and fulfilled you are at the end of the day you will die. why would i want to bring something else into this world only for them to realise this same thing.

[Anonymous No.12091508]

>>12091500
That's right my fellow crusaders, how will those cuckolds understand, deus vult.

[Anonymous No.12091510]

>>12091494
Thanks white brother, deus veult

[Anonymous No.12091519]

>>12090342
why would i care? my life starts and end with me. I dont plan on having kids because their life is meaningless to me thinking to beyond my death is also meaningless i wont be around to experience it

[Anonymous No.12091556]

>>12091519
The future constitutes your experience of the present. So much so that intention of future fact infact is necessary for any conscious experience

[Anonymous No.12091631]

>>12089595
Impregnation is a filthy, inhumane act. In some species, the male actually inseminates the female by violently impaling her in the chest or belly, leaving an open wound that is either fatal to the female or leaves her scarred for the rest of her life. The beastly motivation that informs this insect's behavior is the same which moves man to do the same to his female; and all society, all higher culture involves a move away from the carnal act, away from sultry heat and exchange of fluids, and into concentration and mutual respect. Men have forged this social manner between themselves, and it is only because they have have not extended this same respect to women that the species has survived, continuing its infatuation with events and wars and happenings, the spectacles that keep it entertained while it feasts and feeds like maggots in the world's festering underbelly. If man were truly social toward women, it would require that sexual demonstrations be shunned both in public and in private, and only then could we move towards a free and just end to all the violence and suffering of the world, which is symbolized by the Ouroboros, the endless cycle, perpetual, absurd, aimless. Nothing is more anathema to humanity and love than constant killing, the lust for conquest and acquisition and self-assertion which tells the same old, weary tale, generation after generation, without end or purpose, without thinking; the tendency of this population, this throbbing mass, this herd toward irrationality and wild inebriation is the ancient force responsible for the constant, recurring calamity which befalls society, which befalls the shining individual wishing to carry the others forward, towards knowledge, towards peace, towards an end, and away from the grotesque and inhumane ideas of colonization and fleshly fecundity. The greatest triumph is chastity, devotion to which awakes the slumbering spirit which shines a light upon the world and frees it from senselessness and obscurity.

[Anonymous No.12091659]

>>12089610
Look forward to your dead end job wondering what happened at 45 yrs old as your kids hate you more and more and your wife divorces you. Hopefully youll be able to handle it without violence considering you aint no soiboi and should be able to take any kind of transgression with grace and dignity.

[Anonymous No.12091662]

>>12091631
Yeah, that but less fruity.

[Anonymous No.12091674]

>>12091500
Excellent argument, my friend. Truly boundary pushing.

[Anonymous No.12091681]

>I am upset because I am alive
>I am upset at my parents for seeking the pleasure of the other’s genitalia which lead to my existence
>I am inept at reasoning with the uncertainty of the present and must broadcast this as to recieve social contact from others experiencing this same phenomenon
>I am inept at surviving on my own, and choose to blame my parent’s biological drives for said ineptitude
>I cannot hold down a job.
>I cannot speak correctly.
>I didn’t ask for any of this, yet I consciously refuse to do anything about it but bitch and whine on social media

[Anonymous No.12091685]

[Anonymous No.12091698]

>>12091685
Start with yourself niggerfaggot

[Anonymous No.12091699]

Impregnable. Antinatalism. I like your humor.

[Blindspotting No.12091723]

>>12089888
do you have any idea what self replication actually is ?

[Anonymous No.12091728]

>>12089595
Antinatalism has to be the cringiest, fedora-tier philosophy in existence.
>My life is hard sometimes
>Girls don't give me attention
>Yeah there may be things worth working towards, but it's kinda hard
>Therefore, we'd be better off ending the species.
Can anyone tell me a more limp-dick response to adversity?

[Anonymous No.12091746]

>>12091728
No; anyone who does has a limp dick stance on adversity

[Anonymous No.12091762]

>>12091728
Projecting.

[Anonymous No.12091775]

>>12091762
The dude is covering his face and has a kitten on his shoulder. If he had confidence and a good social life that would not be his profile picture. Anon is probably not far from the truth. Any man with at least one woman in his life would not post this gay shit, unless she was laughing at him with the chads.

[Anonymous No.12091817]

>>12091775
is it possible for you to make a post where you aren't projecting your own insecurities on others to make an easy straw argument you can topple over?

[Anonymous No.12091830]

>>12091817
Welcome to 4chan.org, amigo

[Anonymous No.12091831]

>>12091817
>defending a limped dick social media poster on 4chan
You must be him.

Also, your post claiming that the other anon was “projecting” was just as strawman as you are perceiving mine to be. You didn’t probe for evidence rationally, and now with hurt feelings and blossoming insecurity you decide to play the moral high ground? You are a sickening creature

[Anonymous No.12091842]

>>12091831
This. Reddit go away

[Anonymous No.12091850]

>>12091831
>You didn’t probe for evidence rationally, and now with hurt feelings and blossoming insecurity you decide to play the moral high ground? You are a sickening creature
should be a banner desu

[Anonymous No.12091851]

>>12089595
having a child because someone else wants you to is beta as fuck.

either have a child because you want human property, or do not.

[Anonymous No.12091863]

>>12091831
>I'm an absolute CHAD haha, I fuck GIRLS seriously
>haha everyone else whose opinion isn't mine is a CRINGE SOI BETA hahahaa
Yeah dog you absolutely ooze confidence and security

And the image you're so hung up on is only tangentially related to the topic, I've seen that joke posted on twitter before by tons of people. Its not meant to be taken seriously as a philosophical stance you absolute autist so shitting on it just makes you look more retarded. A retard pointing and laughing at an actor playing a retard on the internet is what you are.

[Anonymous No.12091873]

>>12091863
t. Social media user
At least in posting anonymously I don’t have to worry about pretending to be something I’m not in case of social retribution. Your analogy was trash and your willingness to hone in on the object of my attention is evidence enough that this thread is hurting you more than you are contributing.

[Anonymous No.12091884]

Why do discussions on anti-natalism always seem to devolve into ad hominems and arguments completely unrelated to anti-natalism in general? It's even worse than discussions on Maoism in this regard.

[Anonymous No.12091897]

>>12091884
If you're having to relate something to fucking Maoism then you have bigger problems

[Anonymous No.12091924]

>>12091884
Anti-natalism isthe product of evolutionarily unfit pseuds. The ad hominems are to combat their toxic feelings of inferiority and Jewish levels of verbal projection.

If a philosophy can’t yield a rational argument for long it is likely shit, and no smart person would take the time to construct a tight argument for anti-natalism. It is self-defeating by Kant’s philosophy, and there is more rigor to Kantian logic than anti-natalism logic.

Do you get it yet? Anti-natalists are pussies and should be put in front of firing lines because they surrender their evolutionary fitness by upholding such a philosophy.

[Anonymous No.12091949]

>>12091924
The irony of this post is blowing my fucking mind

This had to be intentional

[Anonymous No.12091953]

>>12090201
Cause almost everyone will tell you they rather have been born. Antinatalists literally have to presume everyone is too retarded to notice their suffering. This to them is more likely than the obvious fact that the positives of life far outweight it’s negatives (for most people), including its finitness and the possibility of pain.

[Anonymous No.12091961]

>>12091953
The commoner is too stupid to realize their suffering, do you think buddhism is for the masses ?

[Anonymous No.12091962]

>>12091949
Did you like it? I’m actually thinking about making it into a story

[Anonymous No.12091970]

>>12091953
>notice their suffering
>positives of life
You're still operating as a utilitarian yourself. The ultimate redpill is realizing that people care about meaning not the bluepilled pleasure/pain false dichotomy

[Anonymous No.12091993]

>>12091924
>and no smart person would take the time to construct a tight argument for anti-natalism.
t. hasn't read benatar

[Proud Social Justice Warrior !BgjMIiqmkk No.12092015]

Have kids: appease false gods

[Anonymous No.12092017]

>>12091970
Im not the other guy. I was more responding as to why antinatakism is retarded than the Utilitarian part.

>>12091961
Yes, buddhism literally took off in the lower stratas of Indian society thousands of years ago (where we most assume that the “commoner” then was far dumber than his contemporary iteration) because those were social classes most prone to suffering. The intellectual ego-stroking of antinatalists derives from the fact that it was conceived by highly privileged westerners with no external source for suffering so they blame introspection and thought (by extension their own intelligence) for their suffering. Instead of assuming a more practical position of quietism, they decided to profess their depression as some kind of moral standard.

[Anonymous No.12092018]

>>12092015
There's only one God and he died on the cross

[Anonymous No.12092019]

>>12091924
>ad hominems are used by people who feel inferior
>PSEUD PSEUD PSEUD JEW PUSSY

>>12091953
>This to them is more likely than the obvious fact that the positives of life far outweight it’s negatives
You assume the only reason people go on living is because of life's positives when something as simple as their religion could be why they continue on suffering

But that's besides the point. Antinatalism isn't a numbers game. The point isnt that "more people dont want to be alive than do" or "there's more positives to life than negatives", its that the negatives exist at all. Most people would agree being exposed to negative things is bad. Most people would agree not being exposed to positive things isn't inherently bad. Being born exposes you to negatives. Not being born doesn't expose you to positives, but that isn't an inherently bad thing.That's all antinatalism claims. Anything else is fluff glued on by people offended by it or are otherwise trying to dismantle it by misrepresenting it.

[Anonymous No.12092024]

>>12090093
Subjectively painful

[Anonymous No.12092025]

>>12092018
No his son died on the cross

[Anonymous No.12092027]

>>12092017
The first people that took followed the teaching of the buddah were kings.

[Anonymous No.12092028]

>>12092017
>buddhism literally took off in the lower stratas of Indian society thousands of years ago
No? It started off in universities and was extremely tough to follow through with

[Anonymous No.12092031]

>>12092025
Dude do I have to go over this shit again

[Anonymous No.12092034]

>>12092019
>antinatlism isnt a numbers game
>The point isnt that "more people dont want to be alive than do”

>Most people would agree being exposed to negative things is bad.

Did you honestly not notice this?

[Anonymous No.12092037]

>>12092031
Lottery playing christfags think this is clever.

[Proud Social Justice Warrior !BgjMIiqmkk No.12092038]

>>12092018
what was Jesus' breeding policy?

[Anonymous No.12092042]

>>12092027
>>12092028
Buddhism is a world religion, anons. It has been held by people accross multiple social stratas. All you have to do is look at the numbers to see that most people who are buddhist (as in actually practicing buddhist) are “commoners”.

[Anonymous No.12092058]

>>12092042
A monk is not a commoner, they are steps above your average middle class scum.

[Anonymous No.12092061]

>>12092031
So does that mean I’m god too?
I am after all referred to as the son of my mother. If I convert to Christianity I’m god? No wonder your head is so far up your ass that you can speak through your belly button

[Anonymous No.12092062]

>>12092038
Go forth and multiply, such that it was written

[Anonymous No.12092067]

>>12092034
No, just like he couldn’t pick up on humor when he saw it

[Anonymous No.12092069]

>>12092061
>So does that mean I’m god too?
Yes, all men possess the holy spirit

[Anonymous No.12092074]

>>12092069
Therefore I am god
Just as much a an insect is god
Or a blade of grass?
Surely all living things are what you’re reffering to

[Anonymous No.12092084]

>>12092074
All of Gods creation contains aspect of its creator. Only man who posseses the Logos is the most full and meaningful reflection of Him however

[Anonymous No.12092090]

>>12092042
Buddhism has only become available to the general populace through simplifying of its practices and subordinating them to monks. This is why people today just spin wheels to get their Bodhisattva points, or recite their mantras over and over. When it started out in Nalanda, it was a tough as fuck ascetic practice that only monks could follow through.

[Anonymous No.12092091]

>>12092084
So God refers to the zenith of the branches of categorical thinking?

I thought that was creativity

[Anonymous No.12092095]

>>12092090
How to full ascetic then?

[Anonymous No.12092097]

>>12092091
God IS categorically the origin of all creation

[Anonymous No.12092100]

>>12092097
[Citation needed]

[Anonymous No.12092103]

why does everyone pretend to be an ascetic or something when antinatalism is brought up and pretend that they would actually willingly undergo suffering if given the choice

sufferring is "bad" and everyone agrees on that except contrarians who don't actually believe otherwise. Sufferring can lead to good but the suffering itself sucks. You're arguing hot is cold for the sake of prolonging the argument.

[Anonymous No.12092106]

>>12091500
Your picture suggests otherwise

[Anonymous No.12092108]

>>12092100
The Bible by God

[Anonymous No.12092109]

>>12092097
God can't create. God is eternal and perfect, therefore unalterable. Creation is alteration,hence not perfect or eternal, therefore God is neither a creator nor the origin of creation. God is All. Change and alteration are only appearances, since change is fundamentally impossible.

[Anonymous No.12092113]

>>12089595
You don't reconcile anything. You pick one approach and stick to it.

[Anonymous No.12092120]

>>12092103
No one would play a game that only rewards. no one would watch a movie without a conflict. No one would listen to music without tension. Struggle, hence suffering, is an intrinsic aspect of what makes life 'enjoyable'.

[Anonymous No.12092127]

>>12092109
Your argument is unsound. Something can alter other things while remaining itself unaltered, the fact that God's creation is alterable is already contained in the fact that it is not God

[Anonymous No.12092128]

Antinatalists should just commit suicide

[Anonymous No.12092130]

>>12092095
There are different schools, most of which are centered upon abstinence and visualization/meditation to detach yourself from the world. Some schools go as far as embracing death. There's a Japanese cult that adorns themselves with the tokens usually given to the dead. My favorite is the practice of live mummification (miira in Japan)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_mummies

(I studied a bit of Buddhism in university)

[Anonymous No.12092136]

>>12092103
Christian asceticism holds that suffering is within itself bad but the ends to which suffering may be endured is the highest Good

[Anonymous No.12092145]

>>12092130
I believe that practice of live mummification has been banned. Though, it is very interesting.

[Anonymous No.12092148]

>>12092130
Detachment always seemed like one of those religious concepts that can never be communicated and must be understood by a sole individual

[Anonymous No.12092152]

>>12092136
>Therefore suffering is good
When will religion die out?

[Anonymous No.12092155]

>>12089595

This is /lit/ not /his/. >>>/his/
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.12092157]

>>12092127
A God that is constantly inspecting his creation and acting upon it is not perfect or eternal for by considering and acting he is himself is undergoing changing. Read Spinoza, honestly.

[Anonymous No.12092163]

>>12092157
he himself* is undergoing change*

[Anonymous No.12092168]

>>12092155
Fuck off autist, I think we can all agree your kind should not be born.

[Anonymous No.12092171]

>>12092155
absolute worst type of poster

[Anonymous No.12092193]

>>12092148
In Buddhism it's accompanied through visualization (e.g. imagining a putrefying woman to detach yourself from carnality) and mandalas.

In more mainstream schools of Buddhism (the ones that have mass appeal) it's much more easy: you spin a wheel or have a monk give you a blessing so when you die you become a bodhisattva, but without all the hard work.

[Anonymous No.12092227]

>>12092152
To be suffering for the good is good even is suffering in of itself is bad. Its not that complicated fedorafriend

[Anonymous No.12092231]

>>12092227
*even if