Latinoamrican canon

[Anonymous No.12064480]

How many of these have you read

[Anonymous No.12064550]

>>12064480
Around half
GGGM and borges are goat. Bolaño, Sabato and MVLL are gr8 tier too.
T. Peruvian

[ري كظ R Y · Q V S S !KNDY.F27NY No.12064559]

>>12064480

FALTAN MIGUEL SERRANO, JUAN NEPOMUCENO ADORNO, JOSÉ VASCONCELOS, ELENA PONIATOWSKA, SALVADOR BORREGO ESCALANTE, LUCAS ALAMÁN, GERARDO MURILLO CORNADO, ARTEMIO DE VALLE ARIZPE, BERNAL DÍAZ DEL CASTILLO, BERNARDINO DE SAHAGÚN, MIGUEL LEÓN PORTILLA, JUANA INÉS DE LA CRUZ, INCA GARCILASO DE LA VEGA, ET CETERA.

SI SE HARÁ UNA FICHA DE OBRAS “CANÓNICAS”, SI NO DISCRIMINATORIA, A LO MENOS QUE SEA COMPRENSIVA PARA QUE SE JUSTIFIQUE SU COMPILACIÓN.

[Anonymous No.12064595]

>>12064559
all those except Sor Juana are shit

[Anonymous No.12064604]

U mad bruh. Miguel Serrano is an untalented nazi hack.

[Anonymous No.12064629]

and Joan Guimaraes Rosa? Clarice Lispector? José María Arguedas? Antonio Di Benedetto? Martin Adan? Felisberto Hernandez? Machado de Assis? Elena Garro? Silvina Ocampo? Julio Ramón Ribeyro? Sergio Pitol? Pablo Palacio? Alvaro Mutis? Mario Levrero? Armonia Somers?

[Anonymous No.12064968]

¿Cuál es el equivalente hispanoamericano de Tristram Shandy o Brás Cubas?

[Anonymous No.12065126]

>>12064480
I just read The Invention of Morel and was a major disappointment. Literally every other LatAm novel is better. I have high hopes about 2666, Death of Artemio Cruz, and Hopscotch.

[Anonymous No.12065137]

>>12064559
>ELENA PONIATOWSKA
>part of the Latin American canon
HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA she's not even part of her national canon much m

[Anonymous No.12065149]

>>12064559
>ELENA PONIATOWSKA
>part of the Latin American canon
HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA she's not even part of her national canon much less the big leagues and her entire fiasco about the Borges poem is pathetic.

[Anonymous No.12065164]

>>12064968
Primero dime que tienen en común esas dos novelas para poder ayudarte

[Anonymous No.12065191]

>>12064559
Sor Juana is the only canonical writer out of those.

[Anonymous No.12065192]

>>12064480
>>12064550
>>12064559
>>12064595
>>12064604
>>12064629
>>12064968
>>12065126
>>12065149
>>12065164
Pedro, you have to go back

[Anonymous No.12065206]

>>12065192
I haven't even left my country, you faggy Nazi.

[Anonymous No.12065470]

>>12065192
>Oh, so the books my shit taste tells me to rate + the ones teachers told me they were important aren't that good at the end?

[Anonymous No.12065503]

How difficult is Pedro Paramo in Spanish? I'm not conversationally fluent but I feel like I can struggle through reading most common Spanish, especially with a dictionary. Should I read it in Spanish?

[Anonymous No.12065575]

Only ficciones. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.12065590]

>>12064480
What about pre-XX century lit?
I'd add Manuel Acuña either way.

>>12064559
>ARTEMIO DE VALLE ARIZPE
Noice.

[Anonymous No.12065599]

>>12065191
Learn into historiography

[Anonymous No.12065616]

>>12065503
>How difficult is Pedro Paramo in Spanish? I'm not conversationally fluent but I feel like I can struggle through reading most common Spanish, especially with a dictionary.
1. First of all, it's written in Mexican Spanish, so there are chiefly Mexican expressions and terms here and there, but nothing a quick google search wouldn't solve.
2. There are multiple narrators and the story happens at various temporal spots. Getting the full picture and the narrative is part of the game.
3. I'd recommend the annotated edition published by Ediciones Cátedra (it has a black cover). That edition would make many things clear. Their editions are perfect for students and such.
4. The Spanish is mostly concise and not that difficult, Pedro Páramo is one of the easiest reads in the Latin American canon. So go for it.
> Should I read it in Spanish?
Yeah, it is meant to be read in Spanish, as I was reading for the first time a few months ago there were a lot of instances where I thought "I don't even know how you woud you say this in English". Even some Mexican writers who've read both versions say they haven't found a good translation. But in the end it's up to you.

[Anonymous No.12065660]

>>12065616
>I'd recommend the annotated edition published by Ediciones Cátedra (it has a black cover).
That was gonna be my next question, thanks. Not sure how much it'll help but I've been around Mexican Spanish a lot (at the very least I can call up my dad and ask him probably).

Thanks anon, you've convinced me

[Anonymous No.12065673]

>>12065470
can you learn some english Jose?

[Anonymous No.12065977]

>>12065590
>What about pre-XX century lit?
even in uni departments is well known that pre-XX century latinoamerican literature is shit for the most part man (a bad copy of the europeans), yeah, there are a few good writers here and there, sure thing, but nithing compared with the 'Boom' we saw at the XX century, pretty much the golden age. The rest is mostly studied for historiography interest / reasons

[Anonymous No.12066183]

>>12064480
this one is missing

[Anonymous No.12066198]

Has anybody here read Hopscotch? Honestly my favorite novel ever.

[Anonymous No.12066245]

>>12065192
seething illiterate amerimutt

[Anonymous No.12066254]

>>12064968
las venas abiertas de america latina

[Anonymous No.12066393]

>>12065977
Yep, this. XIX Latin American lit was way too influenced by French literature in particular. Let's not forget the fact that these nations got their independences on that century, so it took them to find a voice.

[Anonymous No.12066423]

>>12065192
Back where nigger, i was born 3 blocks away from where im sitting.

[Anonymous No.12066427]

>>12065503
Like anon mentioned, the structure is confusing even for native Spanish speakers. I would try something more conventional if you are still not fluent. Maybe get a good compendium of short stories by Borges or Cortázar

[Anonymous No.12066480]

>>12066423
Mexico

[Anonymous No.12066511]

>>12064480
>Fictions
Come on now. I've never heard it called that, it's Ficciones in every country I've been to.

Also what's good with Bolano [sic]? I see him getting shilled here from time to time, but I know nothing about him

[Anonymous No.12066518]

>>12064550
What the hell is that third G
Also why not just say Gabo

[Anonymous No.12066545]

>>12066518
Bouncing off being a prick here, headed to Colombia soon for work, and my Spanish is /very/ rough. Any recs for good Colombian novels with simple language?

[Anonymous No.12067005]

>>12064480
Have read: the Borges and Casares ones
Was planning to read: Pedro Paramo
Surprised to see: Fernandez

[Anonymous No.12067083]

If you like Borges and want to read a book that will transform the way you experience the written word
http://b-ok.cc/book/1015569/1b878b

[Anonymous No.12067125]

>>12066511
>Also what's good with Bolano [sic]? I see him getting shilled here from time to time, but I know nothing about him
He's good. Not a genius like Borges but miles better than Bioy Casares or Sabato, for instance. He's the latest great figure in Spanish-language literature.

[Anonymous No.12067131]

>>12066518
Gabo is what his friends used to call him. For the rest of us he's García Márquez.

[Anonymous No.12067138]

Where is Brazil in all these latinoamerican lists?

[Anonymous No.12067142]

>>12067083
thanks this looks cool

[Anonymous No.12067147]

>>12067138
Most of the time when people say Latin America what they actually mean is Hispanic America.

[Anonymous No.12067760]

>>12067125
>He's the latest great figure in Spanish-language literature.
Most of the contemporary things are shit indeed, but there's still a few good authors here and there

[Anonymous No.12067767]

>>12067760
who would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.12067896]

>>12067767
Javier Marías, Alvaro Enrigue, and Roberto Bolaño.

[Anonymous No.12068200]

>>12065126
Hopscotch is just in another league

[Anonymous No.12068303]

>>12064629
>Julio Ramon Ribeyro
BASED

[Anonymous No.12070216]

>>12064559
También falta Elena Garro desu

[Anonymous No.12070225]

>>12067896
Youve read Volpi? A teacher recommended him to me but I don't know if he's any good. I have one of his books so I might read it anyways.

[Anonymous No.12070306]

>>12070225
I've never read him but In Search of Klingsor seems like an interesting read. Now that Sada, Pitol, and Padilla died, Volpi and Enrigue seem like the only living Mexicans worth reading these days.

[Anonymous No.12070323]

>>12067125
>miles better than Bioy Casares or Sabato
imagine actually thinking this lmao

[Anonymous No.12070329]

>>12070323
Sabato is shit my f a m

[Anonymous No.12070343]

>>12070323
I've read them all in Spanish, so I know my shit. Bolaño is better than Bioy. Sabato is cute but a minor writer. They're all inferior to Borges.

[Anonymous No.12070354]

>>12070343
>Bolaño is cute but a minor writer.
ok, now is corrected anon :}

[Anonymous No.12070367]

>>12064559
AND JUAN CARLOS ONETTI!

[Anonymous No.12070376]

>>12070354
You wish. A minor writer wouldn't have written something like 2666 or The Savage Detectives. The Invention of Morel is mere plot. The author self-admitted this.

[Anonymous No.12070605]

Hopscotch is pure crap, his short fiction is excellent though.
I forgot to mark The invention of Morel, oe of the best books I have read this year

[Anonymous No.12070614]

>>12070605
I just noticed the Aleph as well, one of my fav books as well.
Good to see that there are no Brazilian writers there as we are not "latinamerican"

[Anonymous No.12070623]

>>12066198
You are honestly foolish. His short fiction is much better, what did you enjoy about hopsnotch? I will be happy to ruin it for you

[Anonymous No.12070637]

>>12064480
Reading Bolano right now, The Tunnel. When does it become interesting ? It's so fucking slow and empty.

[Anonymous No.12070661]

>>12070605
>I forgot to mark The invention of Morel, one of the best books I have read this year.
It's terrible and dull, what do people see in this?

[Anonymous No.12070665]

>>12070614
Technically you are but no one cares about you anyway.

[Anonymous No.12070674]

>>12070637
>Bolaño
>The Tunnel
What do you mean? That's a Sabato book.

[Anonymous No.12070688]

>>12070661
>It's terrible and dull, what do people see in this?
Why is it terrible and dull?

>>12070665
Just like there is not a European lit chart, there should not be a latin american chart with Brazil, we have a chart of its own

[Anonymous No.12070689]

>>12070674
Yeah sorry I meant Sabato.

[Anonymous No.12070695]

>>12070623
I really like his short stories as well. I think that with Hopscotch Cortazar captured the wandering aimlessness of a person trapped by indecision. Or he's trapped by his inability to turn his chaos into order and he's so far gone he doesn't even want order or even chaos. He hasn't built anything because he knows it will all fall down. He's not even actively engaged in his own life outside of art and sex with La Maga. And the intro that warns, desperately warns, the reader to do something, anything to not end up as Oliviera does.

It's a mirror. Whatever you interpret in the book is what it means, but just it's like a mirror in the if you stare at it for too long the world will pass you by. Just as Oliviera stared at himself or through himself and eventually at La Maga or through La Maga. He stares, but does nothing. Can't do anything. He's the witness, remember? As La Maga tells him, he's in the room, but he's not part of the room.

[Anonymous No.12070767]

>>12070695
Very well, I enjoyed reading your thoughts.
We have to a certain extent, the same interpretation. Oliveira is indeed a wanderer, the knowledge - for a lack of better term- he acquired throughout his life does give him any comfort. On the opposite: it makes him unable to act, he is lost among all philosophy, literature, biographies, music and more. We are on the same page on that.

Now I will explain why this was a big disappointment. The first chapters are terrific, they remind me of henry miller's trilogy, specially the last book of it( Nexus), Oliveira and Maga are apparently happy and foolish young people, they seem to enjoy life without giving it much thought. This idea fades as you advance through the narrative and notice that the only credible character is Maga, all the other characters are parrots of Chinese philosophy, buddhism, literature references, jazz and so on. Oliveira is the most ridiculous character, he starts to drop references in the most unlikely situation, it makes absolutely no sense.
It seems that Cortazar's goal was to fit as many references as possible and put it randomly in the characters' mouths. The book's structure is also a silly gimmick, unlike Pale Fire, for instance.

[Anonymous No.12070779]

>>12066198
I can´t imagine how that shit would read in english
as bad as Finnegans Wake in spanish desu

[Anonymous No.12070787]

>>12064480
> no Horacio Quiroga
you hate horror or something?

[Anonymous No.12070834]

>>12070779
Have you ever read the translation though? Anyone? I just want to hear some thoughts, I'm very curious about it.

[Anonymous No.12070863]

>>12064550
I only knew about another peruvian besides me but you are probably him.

[Anonymous No.12070868]

>>12070834
I have a translation here. Post a photo of a page you want see a translation and I may give the photo of the page translated.

[Anonymous No.12070873]

>>12070834
I read an excerpt and is pure aspegers

[Anonymous No.12070911]

>>12070688
>Why is it terrible and dull?
I just read it (in Spanish). It's nowhere near Borges, and way inferior to Distant Star by Bolaño, for example, if we're talking small novels.

[Anonymous No.12070923]

>>12070689
>dude my life's a tunnel lmao
It was a decent read. It was one of those loner type of books. I still have to read On Heroes and Tombs.

[Anonymous No.12070947]

>>12070767
>It seems that Cortazar's goal was to fit as many references as possible and put it randomly in the characters' mouths. The book's structure is also a silly gimmick, unlike Pale Fire, for instance.
A lot of books are like that.

[Anonymous No.12070953]

>>12070767
I agree with your analysis of the characters as being ridiculous, but I interpreted it as a purposeful choice to represent a perceived binary between "smart" and "dumb" people. The group and usually Oliveira is constantly talking about how La Maga doesn't know anything about what they're talking about and she is the most realistic character. I found it to be somewhat of an interrogation of the purpose of having all of this knowledge about esoteric or theoretical things or being "smart" in that way. These people have nothing else beyond the thing they parrot, so ultimately they are just a representation of their knowledge.

So I believe that it follows that Oliveira can't help dropping references, because it's all he knows. He doesn't know how to be a normal person. This is visible during the first part in Paris, but it becomes a way bigger theme when Oliveira returns to Argentina. He hardly gets along with anyone, and it's always daytime there and he's always so hot(cold?) and uncomfortable.

That was a bit of a tangent...ultimately I think that the way these characters are written is a very purposeful choice rather than a mistake.

[Anonymous No.12070964]

>>12070767


>>12070953
forgot to add: yeah the structure is a little unnecessary

[Anonymous No.12070987]

>>12064595
>doesn't like nicanor parra

[Anonymous No.12071022]

>>12070953
I think you're probably right. His characters in his stories are never like this, and he doesn't seem to be pretentious in his critical writing or in his interviews.

[Anonymous No.12071023]

>>12070947
>A lot of books are like that.
And?

>>12070964
>>12070953
It seems that we agree with almost everything. I guess it just a matter of taste in the end. Good to read your opinion again, always nice to read something interesting here.

[Anonymous No.12071069]

>>12070987
He's not in that list, faggot.

[Anonymous No.12071073]

>>12071023
And that does not mean they're bad.

[Anonymous No.12071158]

>>12070767
this is all addressed in the Morelli chapters, give it another read, you are missing the big picture here

[Anonymous No.12071317]

>>12064559
>BERNAL DÍAZ DEL CASTILLO
Español psh

[Anonymous No.12071494]

>>12064480
Is there any writer here without at least some significant level of euro mix?

[Anonymous No.12071619]

>>12071494
> being this racist

[Anonymous No.12071718]

>>12071494
>what is Latin America

[Anonymous No.12071729]

>>12071494
César Vallejo

[Anonymous No.12071887]

>>12070787
came here to say this