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12060441 No.12060441 [Reply] [Original]

Would you be able to successfully defend your beliefs in a conversation with Socrates?

>> No.12060447

>>12060441
i would just beat this greek manlet up lmao

>> No.12060456

I may not have his IQ but I have read all of his work and centuries worth of knowledge following the greeks to completely destroy him in a debate.

>> No.12060469

>>12060441
he doesn't speak english so I'd whup his ass

>> No.12060777

Just call him a nigger

>> No.12060780

i have no beliefs

>> No.12060794

>>12060456
how would you destroy him in a debate when the socratic method is just a way of deconstructing your argument. hes not proposing positions for you to destroy.

>> No.12060803

Then, when there had been enough of this, I, in my turn, began to make enquiries about matters at home-about the present state of philosophy, and about the youth. I asked whether any of them were remarkable for wisdom or beauty, or both. Critias, glancing at the door, invited my attention to some youths who were coming in, and talking noisily to one another, followed by a crowd. Of the beauties, Socrates, he said, I fancy that you will soon be able to form a judgment. For those who are just entering are the advanced guard of the great beauty, as he is thought to be, of the day, and he is likely to be not far off himself.

Who is he, I said; and who is his father?
Charmides, he replied, is his name; he is my cousin, and the son of my uncle Glaucon: I rather think that you know him too, although he was not grown up at the time of your departure.

Certainly, I know him, I said, for he was remarkable even then when he was still a child, and I should imagine that by this time he must be almost a young man.

You will see, he said, in a moment what progress he has made and what he is like. He had scarcely said the word, when Charmides entered.

Now you know, my friend, that I cannot measure anything, and of the beautiful, I am simply such a measure as a white line is of chalk; for almost all young persons appear to be beautiful in my eyes. But at that moment, when I saw him coming in, I confess that I was quite astonished at his beauty and stature; all the world seemed to be enamoured of him; amazement and confusion reigned when he entered; and a troop of lovers followed him. That grown-up men like ourselves should have been affected in this way was not surprising, but I observed that there was the same feeling among the boys; all of them, down to the very least child, turned and looked at him, as if he had been a statue.

Chaerephon called me and said: What do you think of him, Socrates? Has he not a beautiful face?

Most beautiful, I said.
But you would think nothing of his face, he replied, if you could see his naked form: he is absolutely perfect.

>> No.12060807

“Shut up incel, get laid.”
Instant win.

>> No.12060815

>>12060803
Did the old greeks really spend 90% of their time having gay sex or is this a nu-academia meme?

>> No.12060819

>>12060803

And to this they all agreed.
By Heracles, I said, there never was such a paragon, if he has only one other slight addition.

What is that? said Critias.
If he has a noble soul; and being of your house, Critias, he may be expected to have this.

He is as fair and good within, as he is without, replied Critias.
Then, before we see his body, should we not ask him to show us his soul, naked and undisguised? he is just of an age at which he will like to talk.

That he will, said Critias, and I can tell you that he is a philosopher already, and also a considerable poet, not in his own opinion only, but in that of others.

That, my dear Critias, I replied, is a distinction which has long been in your family, and is inherited by you from Solon. But why do you not call him, and show him to us? for even if he were younger than he is, there could be no impropriety in his talking to us in the presence of you, who are his guardian and cousin.

Very well, he said; then I will call him; and turning to the attendant, he said, Call Charmides, and tell him that I want him to come and see a physician about the illness of which he spoke to me the day before yesterday. Then again addressing me, he added: He has been complaining lately of having a headache when he rises in the morning: now why should you not make him believe that you know a cure for the headache?

Why not, I said; but will he come?
He will be sure to come, he replied.
He came as he was bidden, and sat down between Critias and me. Great amusement was occasioned by every one pushing with might and main at his neighbour in order to make a place for him next to themselves, until at the two ends of the row one had to get up and the other was rolled over sideways. Now my friend, was beginning to feel awkward; former bold belief in my powers of conversing with him had vanished. And when Critias told him that I was the person who had the cure, he looked at me in such an indescribable manner, and was just going to ask a question. And at that moment all the people in the palaestra crowded about us, and, O rare! I caught a sight of the inwards of his garment, and took the flame. Then I could no longer contain myself. I thought how well Cydias understood the nature of love, when, in speaking of a fair youth, he warns some one "not to bring the fawn in the sight of the lion to be devoured by him," for I felt that I had been overcome by a sort of wild-beast appetite. But I controlled myself, and when he asked me if I knew the cure of the headache, I answered, but with an effort, that I did know.

>> No.12060837

>>12060807
He was married and had children, though.

>> No.12060843

>>12060837
he was obviously busy buttfucking all those adolescents he was teaching.

>> No.12060847

>>12060807
ask Hippias the Waddler if Socrates was an incel

>> No.12060853

>>12060837
You can call anyone an incel and win.

>> No.12060865

>>12060853
He was not an incel, and I am not an incel.

For you tho, you are an incel and you lose this debate by virtue of you own logical standing.

>> No.12060885
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12060885

>>12060865
Isn’t this a conundrum? If I were to lose the argument, that would mean the incel argument works, but my argument was that it works, so... uh....

>> No.12060896

any time socrates said something i'd interrupt him and say "does anyone hear that annoying sound" and solidify my position as the alpha male

>> No.12061208

>>12060865
>“Shut up incel, get laid.”

>> No.12061228

>>12060441
No

>> No.12061248
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12061248

I don't know, probably I will wait that him have a debate with other person

>> No.12061958

No need, I'd just echo basic buddhism stuff and help him bully Millman.

>> No.12061967

>>12060441

I can't defend my beliefs against a fucking rock

>> No.12062018

>>12060441
Yes. I wouldn't agree to all his ridiculous propositions and be like "yes Socrates that is how it must be" etc. I'd say fuck no and provide actual counter arguments he would be obliterated in five minutes

>> No.12062030

>>12060807
Funny how this is unironically what Nietzsche said in his first page of BGE about philosophers before him

>> No.12062049

>>12060803
gay lol

>> No.12062054

>>12061967
>losing a debate to a rock

>> No.12062070

>>12060441
Socrates was a Chad. I'd probably stammer and he would laugh at my autism and then rape me.

>> No.12062072

>>12060865
Shut up incel, get laid.

>> No.12062778

>>12060780
Then you believe that you don't have any beliefs anon

>> No.12062843

>>12060441
Yes. In fact, he'd learn from me. Dumb as shit motherfucker.

>> No.12062864

Considering there is over 2000 years of philosophy and great thinkers after him which I had the privilege of studying and reading, I can confidently say yes. Its like comparing a modern warrior against a greek, except cerebral.

>> No.12062873

I quote his entire argument and say "implying"

>> No.12062874

>>12062864
desu the only way not to get BTFO by Socrates is to sentence him to death in a court of law, and even then you're BTFOing yourself

>> No.12062888

>>12062874
Jokes on him, where I am from people get stoned to death for buttfucking

>> No.12062933

I want to play Red Dead Redemption 2 but set in ancient Greece and instead of an outlaw you play a philosopher who pretends to be possessed by a demon and on a quest for wisdom while actually being retarded, should I read Plato?

>> No.12063785

>>12060456
with FACTS and LOGIC

>> No.12063786

>>12060777
funny bc he was literally a nigger

>> No.12063989

>>12062933
Read Plato and Descartes, seeing as you like evil demons.

>> No.12064144

>>12062873
What a based and redpilled gentleman.

>> No.12064191

Y'all niggas that say you'd beat him up.
Socrates was basically a body-builder.

>> No.12064201

>haha spooks

>> No.12064247
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12064247

Socrates DESTROYS ignorant sophist through DIALECTICAL ARGUMENT and REASON

>> No.12064254

>>12060843

It's a shame we've lost one of the few real perks of being a philosopher.

>> No.12064255

>>12060447
He would absolutely destroy you, even as an old man.
>>12060777
based and redpilled

>> No.12064260
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12064260

>>12060815
>implying that admiring the inherent beauty of the male form is gay

>> No.12064268

If you go into a conversation with Socrate with the aim of defending your beliefs, you're going to have a bad time.

You make a point, he tests its validity with a series of metaphors and thought experiments. The best you can hope for is that you can point out where his own reasoning/biases are at fault.

But you'll get nowhere with beliefs. If you're really in a pinch, summon Thrasymachus.

>> No.12064291

Show him a plucked chicken and call it a man.

Faggot Socrates doesn't even understand the pure joy of living, let alone philosophy.

>> No.12064296

>>12064291
Show Sokrates a plucked chicken and he'll stick his dick in.

>> No.12064298

>>12064291
>Show him a plucked chicken and call it a man.
That was Plato

>> No.12064307

>>12064298
Same thing.

>> No.12064323

I don't need to justify my beliefs to anyone.

I can do whatever the fuck I want.

Fuck philosophylets.