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What is the philosophy behind self-hatred?

>> No.12048337

when you want something and don't have it you get upset

>> No.12048349

>>12048331
nihilism

>> No.12048354

>>12048331
looking like a pirate and being married to Nora

>> No.12048389
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>>12048331
Zerostate thinkingis a mindset where we convince ourselves that we are terrible because it protects us from responsibility and the possibility of being successful, and therefore dealing with the stress that comes with taking risks. In the chronic self-depricator’s subconscious, remaining low the ground while painful, is less taxing than attempting to fix things and to experience the possibility of true protective illusion-stripping failure.

>> No.12048471

>>12048331
Maybe this is just me projecting but I think it's when you know you could be better but you're not. Extra points if you're not doing a single thing to try to make yourself better.

>> No.12048480

You treat yourself the same way as you treat others. You treat others the same way you treat yourself. Love others and you will love yourself.

>> No.12048505

>>12048480
Not only is this corny, but not true. You can give your world to other people but still have Hell in your head (ie: Robin Williams, Avicii, Chris Farley, River Phoenix, Alan Turing, Michael Jackson, the list goes on).

>> No.12048510

>>12048505
We are a communist cuckold board, you faggot. We don't use real life evidences, only pure speculative theory.

>> No.12048951

>>12048331
>trying to intellectualise infantile sulking
Only on /lit/.

>> No.12049034

>>12048331
infinite inadequacy

>> No.12049045

>>12048331

Read Schopenhauer

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>>12048337
I want a gf ;_;

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>>12048389
and long term, without testing this self, results in narcissism. which is why it was good for trump to run and win so that he might become a better person. god is good.

>> No.12049101

Self hatred is an unrealized schizophrenia which leads to the greater reality.

>> No.12049198

>>12049091
>it was good for trump to run and win so that he might become a better person. god is good.
He really is a Tolstoy character isn’t he

>> No.12049393

>>12048331
>>12048331
Why do you think self-hatred is something people engage in because a philosophy or a certain set of opinions convinced them to do so? I believe self-hatred is something you can't help, a trait given person would rather not have but can't seem to shake off.

>> No.12049488
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At this point killing myself is the only ethical thing to do, both under a virtue ethics and utilitarian lens. I'm an ugly blight and drain on the world, and the sooner I send my malformed soul and hideous face to hell the better off everyone will be. Keeping myself around and subjecting people to my visage is the opposite of virtue.

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>>12049488
And yet here you still are, being a drag on everybody else. And I'm guessing you'll do exactly the same tomorrow. Because if there's one thing that's true about suicide poseurs, they will never, ever commit suicide.

>> No.12049827

That's your death drive right there bucko

>> No.12049832

>>12049827
Your lifestyle determines your death style

>> No.12050002

The only person I feel like I can hate is the person I know the best. Not trying to be edgy, but I know that I can do better and be less selfish. I know that it's easy to blame others for the problems I see, but deep inside I know that the inadequacy that I notice is my own fault.

>> No.12050008

>>12048331
it sucks

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>>12048510
A more true statement has never been said before on this board.

>> No.12050046

>>12048349
this
anyone who gets pleasure out of "nihilism" is really a thoughtless hedonist.
Nihilism is a vacuum of the soul. It removes joy and pleasure because you believe it all to be useless. This is why I dont agree with Nietzsche on Christianity and Buddhism. The people believe their actions have meaning, and so from that they can at least derive some sort of happiness, or at the very least, stave off spiritual emptiness.

>> No.12050187

>>12048510
>We don't use real life evidences, only pure speculative theory.
So what's changed since this was a Christian board? Plus ca change ...

>inb4 somebody in a hat

>> No.12050207

>>12049091

Do you think the real-estate industry is not testing enough? I know he got a leg up from his dad but I'm sure it was a trying experience. It clearly didn't work either, the man is in his 70s and he's still a narcissist. I don't think being president will change that.

>> No.12050212

>>12049488

Actually, the ethical thing to do is embrace being a drain on the world. You sound pretty spooked my man.

>> No.12050261

>>12048471
;_;

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>>12048331
Because effort generates opportunity and risk, which are both in a strange way much more taxing and stressful for many people than living like a worm in the dirt. It’s the classic “devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know” ideation if the universe. It’s destroying the world.

>> No.12050388

>>12048337
I think it's the opposite. I hate myself because while I deserve pain and punishment there is no authority or power to notice, and so it falls to me to dispense justice unto myself.

>> No.12050413

>>12050388
This, except the trouble is I'm such a piece of shit I relent in the proper administration of suffering that I deserve, causing me to hate myself more, and deserving to suffer more, and failing to adequately do so, ad infinitum. I ask you, how can any man of decent moral standing but hate himself, the scoundrel that he is?

>> No.12050500

>>12048349
this

>> No.12050507

>>12050413
what did you do to consider yourself a scoundrel?

>> No.12050624

>>12050507
By virtue of being human. That might seem like a ludicrous answer but I feel the truth of it, and I ask you to reflect on the significance of the idea of original sin.

>> No.12050636

>>12050507
Also, for the sake of this thread, at least in part for lifelong failure to answer, rebuke, and redress my evils -- nothing deserves more contempt I believe than the mercy and tolerance we have for ourselves.

>> No.12050641

>>12050388
go hire some chick to whip you

>> No.12051049

>>12050624
You can free yourself from the inherent flaws of humanity by dedicating your life to spiritual improvement and the search for wisdom, which is much more helpful than just thinking about how much you deserve to be punished

>> No.12051087

>>12048510
lit's official welcome slogan

>> No.12051121

You can stand up, make a change, create and build meaning, or, you can indulge in comfort, be a little bitch, waste another day at the end of which you can pay for your degeneracy with self-hatred. I am projecting of course.

>> No.12051169

>>12048389
*projection intensifies*

>> No.12051173

>>12050046
Most people don't plan beyond 1 hour, pleasure just bring suffering.
>>12050388
If you aren't a big CEO, polician or in jail, you literally did nothing wrong (implying bad isn't a spook).

>> No.12051810

>>12050624
>>12050636
I think you need to accept yourself as a human being, nobody is free of those flaws, and yet many of them can live happily.

>> No.12051831

>>12048331
Regret and shame

>> No.12052692

>>12050388
>literal autism

>> No.12052695

>>12048331
Unconscious ego-mania.

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>>12048331
I'm someone that everyone would hate if anyone knew me. Hating myself is only natural.

>> No.12052845

>>12048505
mj touched kids lol

>> No.12053034

>>12050388
>wants pain and punishment
>doesn't get it
>is upset about it

Explain how it's the opposite?

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>>12048331
Experience and think, stop reading for a while, because books can only teach so much. Nerd.

>> No.12053047

>>12050388
>tfw you have been adequately punished for everything you've done wrong
>tfw you will soon be justly punished for the hubris you've just shown in believing that any punishment could be adequate for a reprobate like you

>> No.12053066

>>12051173
you have a stunted understanding of human psychology, ethics and social systems anon. I would hope you gain something from this reply

>> No.12053088

>>12049832
Mine will be epic style

>> No.12053097

People are always easy to love at first, and always easy to hate after a little while longer. You have known yourself the longest. No one is as sick of your shit as you are. Self-hatred is just claustrophobia.

>> No.12053109

>>12048331
An intuitive recognition of misapplied potential, filtered through chronic Christian sin programming, results in the deluded idea that self harm (psychological) is the surefire method to inspire the dark forces behind your conscious awareness to give you a happier internal lifem. Bargaining, really. 'Look, life, I hate myself too. Can we work something out?' it can either be contrived or real though, like most things.. contrived self hatred is fuckin weird.. people wanting to adopt the traits of marginalized people simply because it's now en vogue to be an outsider or social misfit .. everything is wrong these days

>> No.12053200

>>12052845
No he didn't.

>> No.12053301

>>12048331
Feeling like shit
Which life finds many ways of giving you such an administration

>> No.12053358

>>12048331
Given that I am a result of the factors that comprise me, namely, the world around me, I can just blame that and reject it. No need for self-hatred.

>> No.12053387

>>12048349
"Ahem" This.

>> No.12053392

>>12048480
Can confirm that this is bullshit. Hell, the more I try to love others the more reasons they give me to hate myself.

Your advice is shit.

>> No.12053415

The inevitable end result of a culture built around competition and defining the self in terms of market value. Boomers decry the 'participation trophy' culture because they think it makes kids soft and it does, but not in the way they realise. Participation trophies don't make a kid feel special for their innate worth. They don't fool the kid into thinking they're top shelf either. They bring with them the stark realisation that most of us are dollar store rubes tossed into the bargain bin.

>> No.12053458

>>12048337
This seems very accurate in my case

>> No.12055100

>>12050641
>go hire some chick to whip you
This is a reward

>> No.12055905

>>12050305
>It’s destroying the world.
Life has never been easier or more peaceful

>> No.12055935

>>12053415
basado y rojopillo

>> No.12055947

>>12053047
based and redpilled

>> No.12055985

>>12048331
pride and envy of others because you're comparing yourself to those who you think have it better than you

>> No.12056089

>>12048331
Literally anything that isn't Buddhism

>> No.12056450

>>12048331
you have a purpose for hating yourself. you believe that it brings you some type of “good”.

>> No.12057047
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I was on an edge and while I was there I could either try and turn back or dive right into it all. When I was seriously close to suicide for a second time from long childhood trauma I decided to dive into what was below me instead of killing myself. I punished myself in the same way that my abusers, molester, verbally abusive parents, etc punished me to understand it. I did and tried everything I never imagined myself capable of doing, I reflected myself in everyone, especially those I was afraid of or was disgusted by, I molested myself, I hurt myself and others. I can not think of anything that's more vile, corrupted or 'non-human' that I haven't already explored, I really tried going into every place I found and could think of, having had a concussion and losing some childhood memories in my mid teens I found them again in that place too. Events that changed me and understandably had been forgotten. I've been evaluating everything for a while now since there's nothing really left to explore and have been having incredibly vivid dreams which are more real than reality. One was a complex dream with many scenes, the one that stuck with me the most was when I was swimming with my dream guide, we were surrounded with fog and forest escaping dogs. I decided to look into the water and saw myself dead, having drowned. I don't know what comes next.

>> No.12058167

>>12055100
Hire a dude, then.

>> No.12058277

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PraO2XXRUI

>> No.12058380

>>12049045
>recommending the worst romantic philosopher
While Schopenhauer's entire project is an USI dipshit trying to BTFO Hegel while trying too hard. Read Kierkegaard instead.