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Anonymous Sat Nov 3 20:26:09 2018 No.12028769 [Reply] [Original]

What's some required reading to better understand buddhism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 20:33:47 2018 No.12028816 Maitrâyana Brâhmana Upanishad The Heart Sutra The Lotus Sutra The Samaññaphala Sutta Nagarjuna's Letter to a Friend Weed & LSD

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 21:38:23 2018 No.12029053 >>12028816 >Weed & LSD you don't seem to understand Buddhism, do you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 21:39:14 2018 No.12029055 File: 13 KB, 400x600, Buddha_Silhouette (orange).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12028769 The Dhammapada

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 21:39:50 2018 No.12029058 >>12029053 Should I have to?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 21:44:15 2018 No.12029068 >>12028816 >>12028769 >>12029053 >>12029058 >>12029055 I love you all

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 22:17:42 2018 No.12029211 >>12028769 Nagarjuna, MahaParamita-sastra

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 22:45:41 2018 No.12029315 >>12028769 Thick Nhat Hanh - Anything, but definitely Heart of the Buddhas teaching. Shantideva- Way of the Boddhisattva Suzuki Roshi - Zen Mind Beginners mind Chogyam Trungpa - anything Songs of Milarepa - amazing Pema Chodron - anything

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 22:47:28 2018 No.12029320 >>12029315 I've mostly been reading Chogyam Trungpa "The Great Eastern Sun" lately. Inspiring for sure but I can't tell if it would be as good without a meditation practice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 22:54:23 2018 No.12029345 If you want to get into the nitty-gritty and come to a higher understanding of Buddhism; Gendün Chöphel is your guy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 02:12:34 2018 No.12029982 >>12028769 A introduction to Buddhism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 06:44:08 2018 No.12030471 Evola: www.juliusevola.com/julius_evola/texts/The_Doctrine_of_Awakening.rtf https://www.counter-currents.com/2013/06/spiritual-virility-in-buddhism/

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 06:46:05 2018 No.12030480 >>12028769 You will never “understand buddhism” by reading books

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 06:49:20 2018 No.12030494 >>12030471 Do not read Evola to understand Buddhism. He didn't understand it himself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 07:01:36 2018 No.12030530 >>12030494 What didn't he understand?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 07:37:12 2018 No.12030608 File: 9 KB, 225x225, download.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this good place to start - is it good selection at all? does anyone have this? worth a buy?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 07:41:58 2018 No.12030615 >>12030530 The fact that he legitimately thought "Arya" had racial / political connotations

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 07:55:19 2018 No.12030648 >>12030615 You obviously haven't read any Evola.

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:12:04 2018 No.12030677

>>12030648
>We have to remember that behind the various caprices of modern historical theories, and as a more profound and primordial reality, there stands the unity of blood and spirit of the white races who created the greatest civilizations both of the East and West, the Iranian and Hindu as well as the ancient Greek and Roman and the Germanic. Buddhism has the right to call itself Aryan both because it reflects in great measure the spirit of common origins and since it has preserved important parts of a heritage that, as we have already said, Western man has little by little forgotten, not only by reason of involved processes of intermarriage, but also since he himself-to a far greater extent than the Eastern Aryans-has come under foreign influences.

- Julius Evola, "Doctrine of Awakening"

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:25:46 2018 No.12030715 >>12030615 are you seriously trying to suggest it doesn't?

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:27:01 2018 No.12030721

>>12030677
Nuance is needed here: this work was written in what? 1943? German-Italian relations (especially as far as racialist thought is concerned) need to be taken into account. That does not affect the integrity of the rest of the book and its interpretation of Buddhist doctrine and practice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:28:57 2018 No.12030726 >>12030715 In the Buddhist context, no, it didn't. Aryanhood was available to anyone with the eyes, ears and motivation to reach nirvana and become an Arahant.

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:32:52 2018 No.12030744

>>12030721
Even if I accept this explanation, why should there even need to be a caveat in the first place? If you want to introduce someone to Buddhism, why introduce them to it through the work of a 1940s Italian fascist concerned with racial theories, instead of you, y'know, a book by an actual Buddhist?

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:34:22 2018 No.12030748

>>12030726
>anyone
This is a very skewed interpretation, if not false outright: in early Buddhism, and indeed in Theravada, and to a more nuanced degree in common Mahayana, only a monk, and only a man, can achieve arhathood.
Renunciation meant abandonment of caste, yes, so in that sense the sangha is beyond those distinctions on the virtual level. So, no, not "anyone" as you say.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:35:26 2018 No.12030750 >>12030744 You forget where you are. But I digress.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:36:21 2018 No.12030754 in this thread: pseuds trying to out-pseud each other over a load of made up old bollocks

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:48:09 2018 No.12030784 >>12030744 >a book by an actual Buddhist? You probably shouldn't, all "Buddhist" books written for westerners are all universally terrible.

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:48:35 2018 No.12030786

>>12030748
>This is a very skewed interpretation, if not false outright: in early Buddhism, and indeed in Theravada, and to a more nuanced degree in common Mahayana, only a monk, and only a man, can achieve arhathood.

False. I refer you to the Anguttara Nikaya, 8.51

>So he said to the Blessed One, “Lord, if a woman were to go forth from the home life into homelessness in the Dhamma & Vinaya made known by the Tathāgata, would she be able to realize the fruit of stream-entry, once-returning, non-returning, or arahantship?”

>“Yes, Ānanda, she would.…”

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 08:50:40 2018 No.12030790 >>12030784 t. someone who's never read a Buddhist book written for Westerners.

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 09:07:27 2018 No.12030835

>>12030790
>Exiled for supporting violent dissident groups
>Despite being excommunicated they still advertise themselves as authorized to teach
>Decades of accusations of sexual harassment and abuse
Which Buddhist that teaches in the west am I describing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 09:10:12 2018 No.12030842 >>12030835 >>Decades of accusations of sexual harassment and abuse could be pretty much any religious fucknut really

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 09:22:22 2018 No.12030871

>>12030835
Most people aren't aware of the amount of Tibetan lineages that haven't survived a single generation after moving to the west, It's fucking amazing, to survive a thousand years only to ordain a single westerner as your successor who dies of AIDS a year later without properly naming a successor.

>>12030842
I don't think any other religious fucknut could be as morally depraved as Suzuki, not even the Pope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 10:53:46 2018 No.12031219 >>12030835 and this proves what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 10:56:39 2018 No.12031236 >>12030754 Deus vult shadilay brother! We must save western civilization.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 12:06:03 2018 No.12031551 >>12028769 Are there any Buddhist books which combine the ideas of Peter Wessel Zapffe

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 13:25:36 2018 No.12031923

>>12028816
>weed
lol no
>LSD
If you take a high enough dose that lets you experience a full "ego death" (as in a complete memory supression that lasts more than just 2 seconds) then maybe yes. But it depends on how you analyze that moment once your brain goes back to normal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 15:33:20 2018 No.12032417 >>12031551 Interested in this also

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 16:29:18 2018 No.12032702 >>12028769 the greeks

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 16:37:03 2018 No.12032755 >>12030786 That's correct, however the Buddha goes on to say that ordaining women will shorten the length of time the correct dhamma will be taught, and that they're to be treated as inferior to male monks.

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 16:43:33 2018 No.12032788

Dogen Zenji

Founder of the Soto Zen school. Highly talented writer, poet, and philosopher. The Shōbōgenzō is considered his magnum opus. It concerns Dogen's completest doctrinal exposition on the teachings of the Dharma (the Buddha's essential teaching). This masterful collection of essays remained unknown to the public for centuries until it was eventually given to academics by Soto monks to publicize.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 16:46:48 2018 No.12032800 >>12030748 >>12030786 >>12032755 didn't the buddha say that women were insatiable in sex and childbearing, and could never get rid of those fetters in this life?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 17:17:55 2018 No.12032972 >>12030615 Is that it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 17:23:38 2018 No.12032996 >>12030615 so he is right about everything else?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 17:26:18 2018 No.12033003 >>12030608 I'm interested too

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 17:27:39 2018 No.12033010 any good edition of the majjhima nikaya? or is it better to get a different book than that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 19:30:49 2018 No.12033546 >>12030608 no it isn't

Anonymous Sun Nov 4 21:13:11 2018 No.12033949

>>12028769
The various pre-Buddhist Upanishads contain most of the ideas in Buddhism already, to some extent he rearranged or tweaked a pre-existing framework. The pre-Buddhist ones without a doubt are the Taittiriya, Aitareya, Chandogya and Brihadaranyaka Upanishads and quite possibly also the Kena and Isha Upanishads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 03:23:16 2018 No.12035287 >>12030835 I'm going to guess SGI. Bonus points >claims to be the only relevant form of Buddhism

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 03:26:43 2018 No.12035297 >>12028769 Literally read the pali canon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 05:24:05 2018 No.12035530 >>12029053 Correct, shrooms are what you want to really "get" buddhism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 06:56:34 2018 No.12035660 >>12035530 >I know the condition of viññāṇa with shrooms

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:29:11 2018 No.12035715 >>12035530 Buddhists got buddhism without them for thousands of years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:33:36 2018 No.12035728 >>12035297 literally not even most monks do that

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:34:38 2018 No.12035730 >>12035530 mushrooms are a passive path, buddhism is an active path

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:34:56 2018 No.12035731

>>12035297
Sure. Honestly though I don't get how people can entertain buddhism when it's clearly just a reaction to hinduism. If you don't put any stock in hinduism to begin with (westerners) what is the motivation exactly?

>>12035715
Yeah not like the vedas mention weed or anything. No drugs influenced indian religion at all definitely not a possibility.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:37:25 2018 No.12035736 >>12028769 You need some Buddha Kush

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:40:41 2018 No.12035744 >>12028769 Buddhism as Philosophy, Siderits (goes over the philosophical parts of Buddhism very coherently) An Introduction to Buddhism, Harvey (mainly history and context)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:43:35 2018 No.12035751 File: 96 KB, 443x455, 1539903564971.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12035744 >as Philosophy

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:45:36 2018 No.12035755

>>12035744
Also, you can take Buddhism as a philosophical wordview, as a religion (religions are broad, cultural things that have nothing to do with mere philosophy or belief), or as a kind of utilitarian vehicle to react a goal, though notions of goals are vehicles can be questioned and clarified as you progress. Arguably closer to the original intent, indeed, the name itself mythologises and idolises the Buddha. Not his intent but his intent has little to do with the religion. For the last one, most of 'Buddhism' as collections of quite varied religions will be useless or wasteful to you.

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