/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12019181]

Is the fact that poetry is never discussed on /lit/ proof that you're all pseuds?

[Anonymous No.12019268]

>>12019181
I'm beginning to think that.

Also, no one here ever posts anything that they write. I understand this is a board for discussing literature, but there simply must be some overlap of people who write and read.

[Anonymous No.12019387]

>>12019268
How many people do you really think want to get writing feedback from 4Chan?

[Anonymous No.12019391]

>>12019268
its always the same books too

[Anonymous No.12019407]

>>12019391
Part of me is convinced that nobody on /lit/ actually knows or cares about analysis, so they just use points they've seen before about books on here. As a result, new books are rarely introduced to the wheel of shitposting.

[Anonymous No.12019424]

we’re too busy responding to new friends who think this is the board that will fix their lives

[Anonymous No.12019428]

It's cause I'm an apathetic asocial cunt and thus I can't get poetry

[Anonymous No.12019453]

>>12019424
The /r9k/ goons ruin every board they touch. Look at /fit/. I know it's hard to believe but at one point it actually had lifters posting there. Now it's just threads about how to talk girls and what kind of clothing wont get them bulled at the gym when they finally decide to go, next month.

[Anonymous No.12019461]

>>12019453
i used to post on fit back in 2012 and all i ever got was gay guys saying they wanted to fuck me

[Anonymous No.12019479]

R8 my birthday card poem

Circling the sun, we count our age
25 times you've turned your page
Like a giant pine is ever green
You are the brightest and most beautiful ball of fire this world has seen

[Anonymous No.12019487]

>>12019181
I don't like most poetry, to be honest.

[Anonymous No.12019496]

>>12019181
I don't need proofs to know that we're all pseuds.

[Anonymous No.12019510]

>>12019479
I guess you've changed the target, and decided to congratulate Sun? I wouldn't mind, actually. You can't be as good as a real star anyway. Ancient people worshipped the Sun every day, and felt great, or at least much better than we do.

[Anonymous No.12019516]

>>12019181
I draw that conclusion based on the laughable stuff posted in OC threads. I don't expect to find a second TS Eliot here but it's clear nobody who posts original poetry here has ever read a decent poem.

>>12019428
>I'm an apathetic asocial cunt
Then you should be writing poetry my nigga

>>12019479
I don't understand the pine tree simile.

[Anonymous No.12019553]

>>12019516
Idk I wrote it in like 2 minutes
it’s saying just as x is y
You are z
Makes sense in my head

[Anonymous No.12019558]

>>12019510
The girl is the ball of fire, redhead

[Anonymous No.12019653]

>>12019181
Yes, I am extremely dumb and I have a lot of trouble comprehending poetry.

[Anonymous No.12019704]

>>12019181
I'm mostly interested in writing and reading poetry, but this board is so shit for discussion of anything other than the usual bait and shitposts. Even the critique threads are terrible for feedback. Anons will post works by famous poets or post ironic critiques, and such. Any good feedback you get is rare and most of it is opinion stuff from people who don't understand what elements have what effects in a poem.

[Anonymous No.12019709]

>>12019516
What you say and the pic you posted leave a strong impression on me anon and idk why

[Anonymous No.12019735]

>>12019709
There's no such thing as a person who 'doesn't get' or 'doesn't like' poetry; that's like saying 'I don't like movies'. It just means he hasn't found poetry that he enjoys, or that broadcasts on his frequency, if you will.

[Anonymous No.12019790]

>>12019181
Pope.

[Anonymous No.12019943]

I think the appreciation of poetry is too sincere and personal for 4chan.

[Anonymous No.12020024]

>>12019516
I'm sure there's plenty of talent on here, it's just that most of us lack the confidence to see /lit/ tear them apart.

For people who don't take criticism easily 4Chan can be a rough place to start

[Anonymous No.12020235]

Thought on my poetry then? ?

>>12020078

[Anonymous No.12020440]

>>12020024
Almost nobody can give proper feedback in critique threads, like when substitutive feet aren't used effectively, or rhymes don't compliment each other, or which meter to use for what effect, etc. I don't even know that much and am still learning, but I've never seen anyone else talk about something like substitutive feet even, and there's tons more of which I'm unaware.

[Anonymous No.12020465]

>>12019181
It used to be quite frequently, if you look at the catalog the board has completed its descent into gossip, self help, meme’ing (using other boards and websites memes), political flaming and babby’s first literature (which is just a vehicle for meme’ing and gossip and flaming). Go look at the archive from at least early 2017, there used to be boring but routine threads about literature and poetry that would dominate over the faggotry, it has always been present but people seemed to disdain it or to be able to ignore and mitigate it. If you want we can have a thread on the modern poets, im reading Yeats right now.

[Anonymous No.12020863]

most poems, either due to modernity, translation, or dated languages, don't rhyme and read like shit.

[Anonymous No.12020892]

>>12020465
I recognize Yeats' political clout but I don't understand why he's considered an important poet.
>A woman’s beauty is like a white
>Frail bird, like a white sea-bird alone
>At daybreak after stormy night
>Between two furrows upon the ploughed land:
>A sudden storm and it was thrown
>Between dark furrows upon the ploughed land.
Dude are you drunk oh wait you're Irish

[Anonymous No.12020896]

>>12019268
I've written everything that I've ever posted. you idiot
-anon 12020899

[Anonymous No.12020904]

>>12020896
rrrrrr

[Anonymous No.12020959]

>>12019790
Not sure what your point is but if I ever see Pope discussed here, my esteem for this board will increase 300%.
Never have and probably never will.

[Anonymous No.12020964]

>>12019181
Fact: most writers worth a damn wrote poetry at some point in their lives.

[Anonymous No.12020966]

>>12020863
Uberpseud: the post

[Anonymous No.12020978]

>>12020892

[Anonymous No.12021077]

>>12020978
Off to the Ezra Pound thread with you then

[Anonymous No.12021623]

>>12019735
I have good reason to basically disagree with you.

[Anonymous No.12021659]

>>12019181
Ok then. Here’s a little prose poem ditty that I wrote:

Do not forget the love wind carries my friend, for as long as leaves whisper and the clouds are steady in their transit, she is there for you. When I was young, the world made me old. I’d pat the dog and grab my keys. I’d climb in the car to seek my destiny. To train tracks, a bridge, to something final, I would go.

Every time I made the same mistake. She’d pound on the glass, begging me to let her in, stronger and fiercer the closer I got. Every time I would listen. Every time, I would roll down the windows.

Up through my hair and across my face she’d wander, cradling, holding, knowing, whispering in my ears one soft and powerful gentle word.

“Stay”

If for no one else, I am here for you. For in every tilting blade of grass you are there for me. You, oh glorious aspect of my world, who lives in the sky and knows the subtleties of my heart, I love you.

[Anonymous No.12021691]

The change on this board even from just a year ago has been pretty bad. But in the spirit of poetry, please rec me a few things based on my favorites, anons.

>Sonnet #73 by shakes
>Into my Heart on Air that Kills by Housman
>Now Hollow Fires Burn Out to Black by Housman
>Morning Song by Sylvia Plath
>Whether We Write or do or Speak but Look by Pessoa
>Dry Loaf by Wallace Stevens

[Anonymous No.12021693]

>>12021659
You know this is really good anon. Thank you for the sincerity; God knows were short on it lately.

[Anonymous No.12021814]

>>12019181
I read poetry
You stupid nigger
Your dick is small
And mine is bigger

[Anonymous No.12021815]

>>12019943
this

[Anonymous No.12021854]

>>12019181
What the fuck do you want to discuss? I hate people who bitch and moan, but do literally nothing to change. I'm guessing it's because you don't read any poetry.

[Anonymous No.12022249]

>>12020904
>>12020896
Close one Anon.
t.anon 12019130

[Anonymous No.12022272]

>>12019407
the canon of western literature is already established and most anons will never read all of it,as a result the discussion is centered around those books,compare it to more normie friendly newer art forms like music and film where anyone can take an hour to listen to a new album that just came out and actually give his opinion on it,instead of repeating what they read about a book on the internet

[Anonymous No.12022308]

>>12021814
I'm stealing this.

[Anonymous No.12022366]

>>12019479
Why didn't you stick with the space metaphor? Lost out on a red head qt with that blunder.

[Anonymous No.12022372]

>>12021814
This

[Anonymous No.12022400]

>>12020863
If you believe that rhyme is essential, it was the Beats who ruined everything. Allen Ginsberg popularised free verse, drawing mostly from Whitman and Rimbaud, but he made ripples of bad imitators in American culture (and therefore across the globe). Earlier poets who were eschewing rhyme usually had a strong background in poetry and - in the case of the pre-modern and modernist poets - had an educated intention to transgress the rules, using other devices to create masterpieces.

Rhyme is just one poetic device. There is a lot of great poetry which does not rhyme. Shakespeare and Milton to say the least. You should get acquainted with poetic devices, and real poets who wrote blank verse or free verse (not contemporary slam poets).

[Anonymous No.12022405]

>>12020863
Thinking a poem should rhyme is the ultimate sign of a pseud who values style over substance

[Anonymous No.12022519]

>>12022405
I think most poems would be better with rhyme, with exceptions of course. It's just more enjoyable, for me at least

[Anonymous No.12022556]

>>12020235
bad

[Anonymous No.12022567]

>>12021854
I make poetry threads regularly, and they always 404 within the hour.

[Anonymous No.12022572]

I just dont really see the appeal of poetry that much

maybe i'm wrong

[Anonymous No.12022603]

>>12021691
Good taste, my man. I think you'd enjoy Edward Thomas. Other recs based on those examples:
>They Flee From Me by Thomas Wyatt
>Lake Isle of Innisfree by Yeats
>Sonnet for the End of a Sequence by Dorothy Parker
>Stop All the Clocks by Auden
>The Fall of Rome by Auden

Nice to see someone else on /lit/ enjoys Housman.

[Anonymous No.12022611]

>>12022400
John Milton popularized free verse not Alan Ginsberg you flaming cuck

[Anonymous No.12022622]

>>12022400
>>12022611
I got mad before I finished reading your post. I retract this criticism.

[Anonymous No.12022623]

>>12019181

No, the fact that the only poetry threads are either obsessively lambasting rupi kaur or /r9k/ rejects posting their own "poems" is proof that we are all pseuds

[Anonymous No.12022634]

Poetry is gay and poems are for fags.

t. Chad slaying mad puffy pussy

[Anonymous No.12022705]

>>12022611
You'd be wrong in any case. Blank verse and free verse are not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.12022789]

>>12019181
>not capable of being vulnerable in front of people
>not capable of being vulnerable anonymously
the weakness of anon is due solely to the fact that they have yet to learn that vulnerability is the state in which you gain self-awareness, and to never be vulnerable is to coax yourself into a negative narcissistic personality type. This is what we have here. Weak people with no intention of progressing.
---
>yum

[Anonymous No.12022813]

>>12022611
>>12022705
Not to forget that Milton only brought blank verse back. He sought to emulate the old masters like Virgil and Homer, who both wrote in blank verse.

Epic poetry generally doesn't rhyme at all. Though there are some exceptions, like Byron's Don Juan, though it's not typical.

[Anonymous No.12023761]

>>12022567
You keep complaining and yet you ignore there's been a poetry thread up for a while and you haven't critiqued all the stuff there yet

[Anonymous No.12023950]

how do I get into poetry?
the medium seems completely impenetrable to me
for prose you can just go on goodreads, look around at a bookstore or lurk here or whatever
whenever I try to find a good starting point for poetry though, I feel like I'm reading a story from the middle

[Anonymous No.12023954]

>>12023950
Have you read up on meter? Understanding how technical poetry is, or rather can be, is what got me really interested.

[Anonymous No.12023987]

>>12023954
It's not that I am not interested, just that I do not know where to find good reading material.
Good in this case means not rupi kaur but also not too complex and intricate for somebody whose last poetry readings were in secondary school.

[Anonymous No.12024002]

>>12019407
There's a site that sounds perfect for you called Reddit

[Anonymous No.12024198]

>>12020959
Pope is one of the best digesters of the classics in English letters. His form is pure and language economical.

[Anonymous No.12024210]

>>12023987
Read the lyrical ballads by Wordsworth and Coleridge. Wordsworth is fairly prosaic and there's a narrative to follow. Also very enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.12024234]

>>12024210
thanks

[Anonymous No.12024264]

>>12020959
How new are you? I see Pope threads constantly and we even have an anon who exclusively makes threads about Pope.

[Anonymous No.12024505]

>>12019181
Call Me

The eager note on my door said "Call me,"
call when you get in!" so I quickly threw
a few tangerines into my overnight bag,
straightened my eyelids and shoulders, and
headed straight for the door. It was autumn
by the time I got around the corner, oh all
unwilling to be either pertinent or bemused, but
the leaves were brighter than grass on the sidewalk!
Funny, I thought, that the lights are on this late
and the hall door open; still up at this hour, a
champion jai-alai player like himself? Oh fie!
for shame! What a host, so zealous! And he was
there in the hall, flat on a sheet of blood that
ran down the stairs. I did appreciate it. There are few
hosts who so thoroughly prepare to greet a guest
only casually invited, and that several months ago.
Frank O'Hara

Help me understand this poem. I have no idea what it's talking about the moment it talks about blood.

[Anonymous No.12024637]

>>12023987
You could just check out an anthology and read some poems until you find something you like. Then just do some research on their work, their peers and those that were influenced by and influenced them.

[Anonymous No.12024647]

>>12019453
Interesting blogpost, could you write one on how to get a girlfriend?

[Anonymous No.12024868]

>>12022813
>Epic poetry generally doesn't rhyme at all
>what is basically all post-medieval continental European epic poetry

[Anonymous No.12024874]

>>12019181
"To write poetry after auschwitz is barbaric" - Walt Whitman

[Anonymous No.12024982]

>>12024505
It's about a guy visiting his friend (a jai-alai player) who is, as it turns out, dead.
https://voltagepoetry.com/2012/11/15/courtney-queeneys-frank-oharas-hilarious-despair-an-appreciation/

>>12019181
I'd discuss it, but I mainly read in my first language, which few anons here speak, and probably even fewer care about the poetry.
But yes, the disinterest in it (and also theater) does say something about the board.

>>12019268
I'd never post my writing here, desu.

>>12020863
>muh trenslayshuns
>muh dated language, I'm too retarded to adapt and expand my vocabulary with older words
>muh pretty rhymes
You're cancerous in so many ways it's impressive.

>>12023950
Get an anthology. Any should do, really; many recommend Norton's. Also, read about the theory, and read analyses of poems/poets you don't like (to understand what makes them tick and hopfully realize how to enjoy them on your own).

[Anonymous No.12025004]

>>12019461
hello humblebrag

[Anonymous No.12025022]

>>12019461
tinytrip?

[Anonymous No.12025031]

>>12025004
gay men want to fuck anything
>t. someone who has been hit on by a gay man before

[Anonymous No.12025067]

anyone familiar with english poetry from 1600-1750? looking for a good collection of poems from around then, hopefully so i can pick favorite poets and branch out from there.

[Anonymous No.12025120]

>>12025067
Just go to a used bookstore and get yourself a Penguin paperback anthology of English verse that spans those centuries.
Donne and Pope are the dudes to start with from that era.

[Anonymous No.12025139]

>>12025120
sounds comfy, thanks. i really like the works of sir philip sidney but want to verse myself in something a little later

[Anonymous No.12025379]

>>12019181
But we talk about poetry all the time?

[Anonymous No.12025417]

>>12019181
Not sure if this is bad bait or really good bait. Gonna take the hook though by saying look in any critique thread, tapir thread, poetry related thread, and any thread related to an author who also wrote poetry. People regurgitate, but most of the stuff I see posted in any of those has that air of being awful self-inflated poetry about the one that got away, or being kicked out of the house at 19, or working 9-5 for shit pay.
I avoid poetry threads to avoid bad amateur poetry, but according to OP I have been jumping at spooks

[Anonymous No.12025434]

>>12020235
Like an excerpt from the next book by rupi pupi that the critics will herald as a more mature work.

[Anonymous No.12025650]

>>12025434
Why can't I ever be good?

[Anonymous No.12025664]

is poetry for pseuds? every boring girl says they're "into" poetry and a lot of the poetry I've read has been lame as fuck

What would you rather be? A great poet or a great author

[Anonymous No.12025665]

>>12019268
>>12019181
Did you two fucktards just get here?

[Anonymous No.12025684]

>>12025650
Because you suck

[Anonymous No.12025705]

>>12020235
>>12025434

The first imagery offered by the poem (down into the pain) seems to mingle abstract with concrete without creating anything of interest. Even more so, the first "Down" was unnecessary. It seems like you're trying to emphasize something that you haven't even introduced yet, and when introduced, it is too redundant and underwhelming for the first line to have any effect. Every line should stand on its own and have an effect. Don't think that since you've written one good line, the other can be excused. I think the character first enters here: "A lover, a father." These are two vague for me too care about what is essentially the main subject of the poem, at this point, the poem is lost because it failed at what it should excel at the most: making me care about what I'm reading. This neither makes me feel any emotion coming from you (the nonchalant observer) nor any grief for what was lost.

It's an awful poem, but keep writing because the only person who determines whether or not you can be good is you.

[Anonymous No.12025877]

>>12019181
Even if we talked about poetry it would only be English poetry because everyone here is a monolingual peasant.

[Anonymous No.12025892]

>>12019181
a newfag appears
"you're pseudointellectuals"
amusement follows

[Anonymous No.12025929]

>>12025664
A great poet, by my own standards

[Anonymous No.12025936]

>>12025705
This is why critique threads are shit, because nobody on this board actually knows the effects of meter or other elements.

[Anonymous No.12026370]

>>12025705
The poem is shit but so is this attempt at a critique.