/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.12015493]

Is anyone else astonished at how accurate Spengler predicted the future, compared to Marx? Marx wasted an immense amount of text to getting the epistemological basis of his theory right, and to truly elevate socialism to a science, only to make predictions that never really came about. Then Spengler comes along, who just shits on empiricism and theorism, and manages to make far more accurate predictions about the cultural, political, and millitary course of Western society.

Is he truly /ourphilosopherofhistory/?

[Anonymous No.12015510]

His books are impossible to find in french so fuck that guy. I refuse to read a teutonic neighbor in angl*speak

[Anonymous No.12015514]

>>12015493
Spengler was so accurate it's almost like he was a prophet or something. The only thing he got wrong was that America became the universal empire not Germany.

We can chalk this up to nativist sentiments for his people and the alien invasion of the Russian civilization throwing off course the natural development of Faustian culture.

Spengler unironically made me believe there is something metaphysical in reality above mere causality.

[Anonymous No.12015515]

Spengler was shitpilled, he knew everything is shit.

[Anonymous No.12015523]

>>12015493
What I find so astonishing about Spengler is the comfiness of his rich writing and the thrifty clarity of his ideas. Like Jung, however, he's perhaps a little too neat, even glib, but I did enjoy reading him.

[Anonymous No.12015527]

He sounds great, where do I start?

[Anonymous No.12015538]

>>12015527
I'd say Man and Technics and then his main work, the Decline of the West.

[Anonymous No.12015580]

>>12015493
Except Spengler misunderstood the Italian Renaissance, perhaps on purpose to better fit his theory of the Germanic nature of the Faustian West. He saw it as an artificial ad-hoc fad of one class of intellectuals in one city that produced nothing of true importance. Reading Jacob Burckhardt shows how nothing could be further from the truth.

This misunderstanding profoundly affected his philosophy of history, because the concept of the renaissance contradicts the entire theory of decline. The concept of "renaissance," a rebirth of culture willed into existence, places primacy on the human mind, human endeavor, to take control of its fate and usher in golden ages given enough determination and talent -- in short, it is the philosophy of humanism.

Spengler's theory must condemn this in order to justify itself, and yet, there is the Italian renaissance, shining above all the works of Germanic medievaldom, laughing at Spengler as he lauds its turds, like Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parzival, over the high art of Raphael.

[Anonymous No.12015586]

>>12015580
He unironically thought the "art" of Northern Europe in the earliest days of the medieval era was better than the works of the Renaissance because they showed true, genuine, organic culture rather than an alleged stiltified intellectualism in the Renaissance art. How fucking wrong, how ideology-serving can you get.

[Anonymous No.12015592]

>>12015586
He's entirely right about that though. Dago l'artpourlartism can get fucked.

[Anonymous No.12015597]

>>12015510
This is an anglo board, le sweetie.

[Anonymous No.12015608]

>>12015586
Don't know about that. Huizinga makes a strong case in that direction, and then of course there's Ruskin (and by extension Proust).

[Anonymous No.12015609]

>>12015592
>germany audendic :DD gultural springgdime !

[Anonymous No.12015625]

>>12015609
>>12015592
>nod audendic DD: pasda beble too smart

[Anonymous No.12015636]

>>12015493
Marx was right about the future of capitalism. Everything he predicted about capitalism happened.

[Anonymous No.12015637]

>>12015493
Didn't he predict that western civilization would collapse like the Roman Empire? How was he right about that? The degeneracy has been going strong for more than 50 years and we're objectively doing just fine.

[Anonymous No.12015647]

>>12015636
lol no it didn't

[Anonymous No.12015659]

>>12015609
>>12015625
lmao, how obviously assblasted can you be, luigi?

[Anonymous No.12015680]

>>12015637
He predicted that Caesarism would kick in around the year 2000. With Caesarism he refers to strongmen and populists who wield (or seek to wield) power beyond any constitution.

[Anonymous No.12015691]

>>12015514
France, England, Germany are all Germanic and thus so is USA. And the development of Germanic culture was not interrupted, it was already long dead before WWII.

[Anonymous No.12015699]

>>12015625
>>12015609
>>12015580
Imagine missing the point this hard.

[Anonymous No.12015704]

>>12015597
Yes, I realized the quality of discussion was shit

[Anonymous No.12015707]

>>12015680
>Seek to wield power beyond the Constitution
They have always done this though; power is dynamic, and the German clockmakers have been wrong about society 100% of the time

[Anonymous No.12015709]

>>12015514
>Spengler unironically made me believe there is something metaphysical in reality above mere causality.
Indeed. Though if you ever need to use the word 'mere' to describe the whole world and existence, you're being wrong on purpose.

[Anonymous No.12015729]

>>12015709
That only proves we are incapable of representing outside of our own image. That is not what the universe looks like at all; and look at our tools, from the steam shovel extending our arm to the computers modelling our brains, we create in our image and then somehow either intentionally or by stupidity, imagine that because it resembles us it must have some kind of message about who we are, the only message is that we are incredibly limited, there is a cave we will never be able to leave.

[Anonymous No.12015756]

>>12015580
>people ascribing value judgments to Spengler

[Anonymous No.12015764]

>>12015510
unironically read him in german, 's pretty good

[Anonymous No.12015841]

>>12015514
>Spengler unironically made me believe there is something metaphysical in reality above mere causality.
How come?

[Anonymous No.12015969]

bump

[Anonymous No.12015985]

>>12015841
Beause his history progresses by 'cosmic beat', not by things causing each other. 'analogy' appears between the stages of the culture, and a prime symbol informs how it develops in its specificity.

To me this is something outside spacetime cohering its development along specific lines. I am not a strict Spenglerian, my ideas have taken me elsewhere, but Spengler was the very first person I encountered who I felt was a kindred spirit where this 'otherworldly influence' was concerned, and the amount he taught me about world history is invaluable.

[Anonymous No.12015987]

Finland will dominate the earth

[Anonymous No.12016034]

Whih German edition of Der Untergang des Abendlandes should I buy? Any with particularly interesting commentaries? Any that are more complete than others?

[Anonymous No.12016040]

>>12015987
I'd like that. I want a Varusteleka outlet in my local mall.

[Anonymous No.12016046]

>>12015985
Consider that a human embryo does not develop linearly but rather metastatically..everything we dream up in metaphysics is only a reflection of our bodies.

[Anonymous No.12016074]

>>12016034
I have the Anaconda edition

[Anonymous No.12016104]

>>12016074
Okay. Is it nice-looking? Does it have any gimmicks? Does it smell good?

Is there any edition that you would rather have?

[Anonymous No.12016137]

>>12016104
Very spartanic and old school presentation. It was the most recent edition available (2017). There's another one by Albatros from 2007 which is practically the same apart from the cover design afaik.

[Anonymous No.12016244]

>>12015514
Had a real hero ascended to the head of Germany and not the poser Hitler, Germany would've won the war and claimed hegemony over the West.

America's rise was only really made possible by their intervention in WW2 and their position to indebt the entirety of Europe to them and then sell them cheap goods.

>>12015538
yeah this is a good suggestion, Man and Technics is sort of a continuation on his Decline but it's a stand alone work in itself.

[Anonymous No.12016283]

>>12015493
What makes you think he predicted the future? His concepts are so vague and nebulous you could twist them to any situation, as you could with any other fortune-teller.

[Anonymous No.12016763]

>>12015659
t. Hans

[Anonymous No.12017116]

>>12016283
>Vague and nebulous
>States that around the year 2000 populists would start to take unilateral decisions against the construction of Western countries
> Said that Hitler would fail in Germany and Russia would gobble most of Europe
>Long Winter of Western Civilization up to year 2200
Jesus Christ, /lit/ is retarded and doesn't even read

[Anonymous No.12017320]

>>12016034
dtv if you can, literally doesn't matter though

[Anonymous No.12017368]

>Implying Marx was an empiricist
>Implying Marx was a philosopher who advocated taking a purely theoretical approach to anything
I doubt you've read Spengler or Marx, OP.

[Anonymous No.12017376]

>>12017116
Nice spoilers faggot, now I can't bother reading it anymore

[Anonymous No.12017550]

they're MINERALS marie

[Anonymous No.12017567]

>>12015987
I believe you are more accurate than you think. Finland won't really be a part of it given that finns are just LARPing Germanics (see also: Hungary), but I believe that the FENNO-UGRIC man will show the way of the future. It is no coincidence that the developments of the pseudomorphic Eurasian/Russian organism and the break from Germanic culture have been spearheaded by Fenno-Ugrics like the Mordvin Lenin or Vepsian(?) Putin.

[Anonymous No.12017590]

>>12017376
>reading for the plot

[Anonymous No.12017634]

>>12017550
vastly underappreciated post

[Anonymous No.12017639]

>>12015729
>That only proves we are incapable of representing outside of our own image.
So what? There seems to be plenty to study in our own image.
>That is not what the universe looks like at all;
"Looks like"? You mean, according to sight - a quality of ours? Consider that our knowledge directly shapes the Universe, even if by mathematically miniscule bit, and that we are complex pattern replicators like all biology.

[Anonymous No.12017726]

>>12015709
Woah... that image...

Science can be so amazing sometimes...
It reminds me of when i used LSD once. like how everything made sense and i understood all of mathematics and everything. So Cool!!!1

[Anonymous No.12017859]

>>12017726
hurr if you admire universal shapes and order then youre just an acid hippie durr

[Anonymous No.12017897]

>>12015510
dont care

[Anonymous No.12017900]

everytime I hear one of his "arguments" it breaks down into nu/pol/speak; doesn't sound to me like a particularly worthwhile read to let alone the blatant retardation of his ideas.

[Anonymous No.12017913]

>>12017900
He's only popular on here because his argument supports the /pol/ narrative about evil Jews and blacks destroying civilization

[Anonymous No.12017994]

>>12017859
Whoa... My testical looks like a planet. Universal shapes man. That's cool science!!

[Anonymous No.12018006]

>>12017116
Sounds pretty vague and nebulous and false

[Anonymous No.12018066]

>>12017368
>Implying Marx was a philosopher who advocated taking a purely theoretical approach to anything
He didn't, but he should've. Whenever he tried to give practical advice, he failed miserably.

[Anonymous No.12018081]

>>12017368
Marx didn't reserve himself to just theory, but the vast majority of his works were theoretical. And as >>12018066 said, whenever Marx ventured out of critique, he faltered severely, either because he made suggestions that are just stupid (voucher system, 'withering of the state') or predictions that did not came true (class consciousness).

[Anonymous No.12018113]

>>12015729
>>12015709
Also, fractals are efficient and found everywhere in nature. It's not that "we resemble the universe WoooAoAahhhhh," it's that the universe resembles itself.

[Anonymous No.12018140]

>>12018113
And we, in turn, resemble the Universe that we are part of.

[Anonymous No.12018173]

>>12018081
You’re retarded

[Anonymous No.12018177]

>>12018173
Cool argument bro

[Anonymous No.12018205]

>>12018140
that is implied.

[Anonymous No.12018216]

>>12015493
I honestly dislike anybody who lumps together the culturally diverse nations of Europe and the Anglsophere into some generic blob called "the West".

[Anonymous No.12018220]

>>12018216
I blame the Americans and their racial fantasies

[Anonymous No.12018241]

>>12018216
The worst thing about g*rmanic protestant ascendancy of the 19th and 20th century is that they were allowed to usurp the claim of being western civilization from the actual western civilization - that is to say, mediterranean, catholic Europe. I find it hard to believe anyone belives the inhuman northern barbarians when they claim they are even a civilization, let alone the western civilization. Thank God both protestantism and g*rmanics will be extinct by the end of the century. Even the umma is a more preferable neighbor.

[Anonymous No.12018405]

>>12015625
Ah! Verily this be the summit of occident's artistic creation

[Anonymous No.12018437]

>>12018216
It's because of Christianity. The West is the secularized name of Christendom. Which shows the extreme influence Christianity had on Europe and how it became an ethno-religion for Europe.

[Anonymous No.12018486]

>>12018437
Ah, that explains why Ethiopia has always been considered part of the West

[Anonymous No.12018586]

>>12018437
>be west
>include countries from all geographies, without any reference to any kind of "west"
>USA, australia, all of Europe
>No other country from Latin America, which is literally as "west" as America

West just basically means white desu. Nothing to do with geography, history, or religion.

[Anonymous No.12018624]

>>12018405
based and redpilled fellow /pol/istine!

[Anonymous No.12018634]

>>12017900
I think this would work out better as to distance away from the /pol/ retardation.
https://www.amazon.com/Prophet-Decline-Spengler-Political-Traditions/dp/0807127272

[Anonymous No.12018664]

>>12018437
Spengler actually considered Eastern Orthodoxy to be different from the West, both in Russia and in Greece.

[Anonymous No.12018669]

>>12017913
t. has never read Spengler and knows nothing about him

[Anonymous No.12018735]

>>12015493
what exactly has he predicted that has come true? And I mean concrete predictions, not nostradamus tier vagueness.

[Anonymous No.12018741]

>>12018735
He predicted these dubs

[Anonymous No.12018745]

>>12018741
Well, time to pack it up boys, Spengler's a fucking hack

[Anonymous No.12018774]

>>12015637
The Roman Empire's degeneracy lasted far longer than 50 years and they were doing "just fine" until they weren't. They were a walking corpse after the mid 3rd century but still ostensibly survived for another 200 years. Economics can cover up a rotten foundation for a long time. Just look at how America has bought a strong economy now with massive debt that we'll have to face in the future

[Anonymous No.12018797]

>>12015707
>They have always done this though
These people didn't exist under monarchy. You're misunderstanding Spengler's point. He's saying that after monarchy then comes the economic government and empire. This is what we saw throughout most of the 19th century and 20th outside of Germany/Italy. Then the strongmen start to arise as money either fails or people stop gaining meaning from it. In Germany money failed leading to Hitler's rise but money is still alive and well in the west today because America became the center of our society. But Americans are losing faith in money too and you can see this by how our politics have started to become a warzone. One of Spengler's predictions was that force politics would replace economic politics, which is what's happening. Both sides are more concerned with fighting each other than actually governing now. This is because the rootless urban mass is latching onto "causes" because money is no longer providing them meaning.

[Anonymous No.12018815]

>>12016137
>spartanic

[Anonymous No.12018835]

>>12017900
That's understandable, but Spengler wasn't really any kind of shitlord racist. The long and short of his theory was
>things are born and blossom
>then they decay and die
>whether flowers or civilizations

He never asserted that fascism was some kind of defense against it or that some racial enemy of the West was behind the decline. Toynbee held this view, independently of Spengler, though I find it strange he never mentioned being influenced by Spengler.

[Anonymous No.12018842]

>>12018113
fractals don't have anything to do with selfsimilarity

[Anonymous No.12018843]

>>12018735
Among many other things, that American democracy would do nothing more than displace the aristocracy of birth with the aristocracy of wealth. He also foresaw the difficulties the US would have in managing ethnic strife in a multicultural empire, predicting that militant blacks would become a problem for the state.

[Anonymous No.12018844]

>>12015493
what is with lit and elevating dollar store nazis to some position of understanding beyond reality? You realize bootlicking fascist dorks isn't cool anymore in 2018 America, right?

[Anonymous No.12018873]

>>12018844
Look man I don't come into your Foucault threads and tell you to stop sucking cock or whatever it is you do.
Jokes aside, stop shitting up my thread you retarded falseflagger.

[Anonymous No.12018906]

>>12018844
>Spengler
>fascist
id say this is a troll, but ive seen anarchokiddies who were genuinely this retarded

[Anonymous No.12018908]

>>12018843
>predicting that militant blacks would become a problem for the state.
Well he was completely wrong there. Militant blacks have never been a problem in America. The problem, from the very beginning and to the present day, has always been with the white racists.

[Anonymous No.12018914]

>>12018908
Imagine actually believing this. You weren't alive during the days of rage, were you? Not even alive during the LA riots?

[Anonymous No.12018921]

>>12015580
spengler doesn't shit on the Renaissance artists at all, he calls Michaelangelo one of the greatest artitsts of all time for example, he just describes his essentially tortured conditioned, as he was trying to bring to life an alien cultural form. He doesn't even criticize the works they produce he thinks theyre brilliant, he just says that their brilliance lies not in their imitation of the classical but in their Faustian symbolism

I swear nobody fucking reads Spengler

[Anonymous No.12018937]

>>12018921
>I swear nobody fucking reads
yes

[Anonymous No.12018941]

>>12018908
youre not very aware of what is going on in America are you

[Anonymous No.12018951]

>>12018914
So you'd agree the problem is white racists? Even if for arguments sake I agree those particular incidents were caused by militant blacks, they pale into insignificance when you consider racist whites caused the Civil War, and every other racial disturbance in American history

[Anonymous No.12018958]

>>12018844
guaranteedreplies.png

[Anonymous No.12018962]

>>12018941
I'm aware there is a problem with white racists murdering and incarcerating blacks

[Anonymous No.12018967]

>>12018951
>if black racists do something then it's actually the white racists fault

you can justify anything with this. It's literally "Der ist Schuld am Kriege"

[Anonymous No.12018979]

>>12018962
there is in fact a much larger(order of magnitude per capita wise) problem with blacks killing whites, often in blatantly racially motivated crimes. This pales in comparison to the numbers in which blacks kill each other of course.

Not that this is any surprise, pick a city, any city on earth, London, Montreal, Baltimore, the entire continent of Africa, what are you going to find? You know, I know, it's not a secret.

[Anonymous No.12018990]

>>12018951
You're victim-blaming.

[Anonymous No.12019003]

>>12018979
>muh white genocide myth
Do you think the Soviet Union really did have a problem with kulak saboteurs?
>>12018990
Not really. Whites have to own their racism

[Anonymous No.12019009]

>>12019003
So you’re saying the crime statistics are wrong?

[Anonymous No.12019013]

>>12019003
I don't think I even mentioned a white genocide. I just pointed out the ludicrous homicide rates of sub saharan africans in every country in which they exist.

There is only one demographic that beats them on that metric, the central americans, who are in a de facto civil war over control of the drug trade at the moment, and whose homicide rate should therefore not be taken as a normal measure.

[Anonymous No.12019020]

>>12019003
>whites have to own their racism
>but niggers don't

Either everyone is responsible for their prejudices or no one is, but you cannot hang in limbo.

[Anonymous No.12019041]

>>12019009
>>12019013
>arrest blacks on slightest pretext
>charge them with more severe offenses than whites for the same actions
>prosecute them more severely than whites charged with the same crimes
>claim this proves blacks were violent all along
You aren't very smart are you. Again, do you believe the Soviet Union really was riddled with kulak saboteurs? After all, lots got arrested and incarcerated, and its impossible for a criminal justice system to be unfair

[Anonymous No.12019052]

>>12018908
>>12018951
>>12018962
This fag is just a troll, don't let him derail this thread. Just ignore him

>>12018843
The multicultural empire is the natural result of the people losing connection to their nation and becoming cosmopolitan. It comes from the activism and apathy of the baby boomers. We are outsourcing our workforce the same way Rome outsourced their army. Multiculturalism is a sign of decadence and exacerbates it, but the root cause is urbanization

[Anonymous No.12019061]

>>12019041
So a large number of the black Americans now incarcerated for murder were convicted unfairly? Is that what you believe?

[Anonymous No.12019063]

>>12019041
buddy walk through a black neighborhood in New Orleans and then get back to me on their supposedly peaceful nature

better yet visit South Africa where you cant even stop at traffic lights

[Anonymous No.12019084]

>mfw people dismiss Spengler as a reactionary when he has influenced people ranging from Adorno to Heidegger
>worse yet, people call him a nazi when he fell out with the nazis and probably would've gotten executed were it not for his influence within the German elite

Jesus Christ, just read Decline of the West and Man and Technics and form your own opinions on it.

[Anonymous No.12019094]

>>12019084
it's not like Spengler's conclusions are remotely palatable to contemporary progressives, no he definitely wasn't a Nazi, but he can't really be salvaged to fit within any sort of of presently acceptable paradigm.

[Anonymous No.12019098]

>>12019084
this thread is fucking filled with NPC's who don't bother to entertain any ideas that don't conform

[Anonymous No.12019101]

>>12019094
Who cares about being palatable? That's just cowardice.

[Anonymous No.12019151]

What "predictions" are you talking about? Spengler didn't get anything right as far as I know.

[Anonymous No.12019226]

>>12015514
>>12015580
A lot of german writers from that era suffer in quality due to this tendency to get high on their own germanic farts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY is truly a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.12019247]

>>12019151
>>12015493

answer this, before i get hyped into reading him

[Anonymous No.12019266]

>>12018844
>bootlicking fascist dorks
>isn't cool anymore in 2018
I don't care about what's hip and trendy, kid, because I am a real human being. Maybe one day you will understand, because you too might have the seed of intellectualism inside your brain, probably not, and then you will think back to this very moment and see that you were wrong and I was right, as I am.

[Anonymous No.12019297]

>>12019151
Off the top of my head.

>predicted the decline of 'class' as an important political factor, which would give way to race
>predicted how all socialist movements inevitably would decay into capitalism
>predicted how armies would again shrink in size and become more professional
>predicted how coercive censorship will give way to softer censorship, which allows people to think freely, but nonetheless lets them think only what they are allowed to think

If you want a great reflection on it, then read Adorno's essay on Spengler in "Prisms"

[Anonymous No.12019309]

>all this white fragility
The responses to any post pointing out this shit confirm it perfectly

[Anonymous No.12019329]

>>12019094
What conclusions? It doesn't matter what we find palatable or not, as his works are virtually deterministic.

[Anonymous No.12019342]

>>12019061
>>12019009
The USA is an engine for white supremacy, and the vast majority of black prisoners are political prisoners incarcerated to keep the social order in place through fear and repression. The only big difference between the Soviet Gulag system and the US penal system is that in the Soviet Union everyone knew the Gulag was bullshit, whereas in America people believe the propaganda

[Anonymous No.12019371]

>>12018586
It's based off ideology, fool. For example modern Japan is Western, modern Chile is Western.

[Anonymous No.12019376]

>>12019371
This. Except even more encompassing, China for example is also western.

[Anonymous No.12019436]

>>12019342
>no sources or arguments
ignored

[Anonymous No.12019437]

>>12019342
>The USA is an engine for white supremacy, and the vast majority of black prisoners are political prisoners incarcerated to keep the social order in place through fear and repression

[Anonymous No.12019497]

>>12017550
Welcome to the world of human phenotypes.

[Anonymous No.12019513]

>>12019497
Always knew I was an Atlantean.

[Anonymous No.12019538]

>>12015514
> The only thing he got wrong was that America became the universal empire not Germany.
In "Prussianism and Socialism", he clearly says that it's there's a serious chance of the Anglo-American worldview becoming the dominant one in western civilization, and urges Germans to fight in order to let the German worldview do that instead. So he perfectly realized that there was a serious chance of America coming out on top at the end of it all

[Anonymous No.12019645]

>>12019497

[Anonymous No.12019656]

>>12019645
Meh, those country-wide pics don't make any sense. Phenotypes is where it's at. Your picture only tells us about unspecific traits ignoring the differences and migrational waves.

[Anonymous No.12019686]

>>12015510
>french
Does that still exist? I thought you all moved to arabic by now.

[Anonymous No.12019708]

Can someone quote me his prophecies and show what he got right?

[Anonymous No.12019751]

>>12018177
But you're a retard. Marx is by far the most important philosopher after the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.12019848]

>>12019497
>The Mongoloid Race
>Native Americans

[Anonymous No.12019866]

>>12019848
that is accurate though, native americans come from siberia

[Anonymous No.12019878]

>>12019751
Even if that were true (it is not, he's far too unoriginal for that), it would still not make him exempt from criticism. And one of the most common points of criticism against marx is that his positive alternatives to capitalism are flawed and that his vision of socialism is extremely vague, which has led to the disastrous attempts to actually implement Marxism.

[Anonymous No.12019897]

>>12015985
>my ideas have taken me elsewhere
Where? Other historians or different modes of thought?

[Anonymous No.12019903]

>>12019708
Incineroar and Ken in Smash.

[Anonymous No.12019911]

>>12019866
Only the ones in North America.
Most of the americas are populated by south-east asians who most likely crossed the ocean.

[Anonymous No.12019928]

>>12019497
>grouping pacific islanders, australoids and negritos with negroids
Disgarded.

[Anonymous No.12019937]

>>12019911
those would still be 'mongoloid' but I didnt know that theory was actually commonplace I thought it was sort of speculation?

[Anonymous No.12019948]

>>12018844
Spengler wasn’t a fascist really, the Nazis had a schism with him and he wrote critiques of the rising regime when it was extremely dangerous to do so. Jünger did the same, Nietzsche as well was a posthumous critique of nationalist collectivism. Its startling how all 3 of the prophets of fascism rebuked it in some way.
>>12018908
How are white racists a problem?
>>12018921
>Their brilliance is alien
How is it alien? the Greco-Roman culture is native to the Mediterranean where the Rennaisance found its roots.
>>12019098
Angrier that people think Marx was wrong about limits to profit extraction and the democratic parliaments becoming vehicles for the bourgeoisie and capital’s dominion

[Anonymous No.12019967]

>>12019948
>the Greco-Roman culture is native to the Mediterranean where the Rennaisance found its roots.
Spengler views civilizations as distinct organisms. Greco-Roman Classical civilization(Apollinian in his terminology) is distinct from Faustian civilization(England, France, Northern Italy, the low countries, West Germany).

Michaelangelo(and his contemporaries) was attempting to recreate Greek art but what he made was distinctly Faustian, in Spengler's opinion. He covers all this quite thoroughly in the Decline.

[Anonymous No.12019970]

>>12019967
Yes I’ve read the entire section on art. I disagree that its Faustian, the Italian art strongly resembles Roman and Greek art and looks nothing at all like Germanic or Anglo artstyles or architecture. This seems like its a way of sullying the rennaisance in favor of the baroque, rococo and neo-classical periods

[Anonymous No.12019977]

>>12019970
he's not sullying it though, he's saying it's just not what it seems. His contention is that the Greeks could never have made the David.

I mean you either agree with Spengler or you don't. If you do agree with him then it's literally impossible for the renaissance to be Classical. That culture is long dead, its forms can't be produced anymore.

[Anonymous No.12020093]

>>12018844
>spengler
>fascist

[Anonymous No.12020095]

>>12019342
Follow the law, nigger.

[Anonymous No.12020105]

>>12019977
>you either do or don’t
I agree that something like Faustian culture emergedin Northern Europe in the 17th century. I disagree that it has anything at all to do with the Rennaisance or any serious utility for analyzing art history. Plenty of other things he asserts are congruent with my own interpretation of cultural evolution, like the exhaustion of the 19th century leading to farcical revanchism in the 20th and culminating in the current Caesariam we’re seeing in America and Eurasia in the 21st. The dominion of finance and technica in the 20th and 21st.
>>12020095
He’s right regarding disproportionate incarceration of blacks for petty drug offenses but not at all for murder, robbery or rape.

[Anonymous No.12020219]

>>12020105
>in the 17th century
well this is very far from Spengler's version which dates it to around 900ad, and uses the early Gothic Cathedral as the sort of central symbol.

But it's whatever, we can pick and choose what we like from these guys

[Anonymous No.12020485]

Tocqueville > Spengler

far more prescient

[Anonymous No.12020569]

>>12020219
That is the emergence of the western organism as a pseudomorphism of previous "western" culture (i.e. mediterranean/near easterns/west asian culture), it doesn't have its SPRING until Luther, thirty years war etc. paves the way for the enlightenment. Remember that culture is a PROCESS, for example like how the emergence of Magian culture (ca. ending of babylonian exile) was roughly concurrent with the beginning of the decline of classical civilization (beginning of classical period).

[Anonymous No.12021377]

Thing about predictions is, if you are a very serious academic and everyone reads your work, people with jobs and responsibility are going to look for signs your predictions are coming true and then prevent that from happening, while if you are more obscure and less respected that might not happen. It's the old gypsy woman that knows the future.
>>12019970
>the Italian art strongly resembles Roman and Greek
I think Spengler was right here, Romans and Greek painted their statutes in weird colours afaik
To see some sort of appeal in depicting people as made out of marble is very typically faustian according to Spengler.

[Anonymous No.12021743]

>>12018216
This. Not to mention that the term seems to be most conveniently used by Americans to criticize America alone throwing in other cultures to make it not seem as bad.

[Anonymous No.12021757]

>>12018844
Not everyone lives in a third world country in 2018.

[Anonymous No.12022670]

Bump for the greatest German philosopher of the 20th century

[Anonymous No.12022716]

>>12022670
i wouldnt go that far

[Anonymous No.12022736]

>>12019371
Japan is not Western. Japanese culture is a pseudomorphosis, Western on the outside, Japanese on the inside. This goes for most of today's cultures. Even countries like North Korea and Russia have a Western facade.

[Anonymous No.12022762]

>>12015510
lmao get a load of this frog

[Anonymous No.12022790]

>>12015510
lrn into german

[Anonymous No.12022842]

>>12018842
No, but that self-similarity is produced by overall principles that dictate behavior of being. The way stars pulse varying kinds of matter into the Universe, as part of the prevalence of repeating processes out of the "mere" energy, and these planets pushing out organic matter - among many other things. Organisms of course prefer self-replicating themselves...
Repeated patterns are more longetive than singular, and are preferred behavioral pattern among all life. We have even abstracted this behavior and its ideal into a sense of morality that stands outside of context, and we are replicating even that. Though of course we do not "limit" ourselves to morality because we cannot ignore context.

These behavioral loops are then seen; life to death to life, awakening to sleep to awakening... We see the lifespan of stars, the awakening of nations-- It is only reasonable to see all patterns as 'alive.' Memes. Physics and chemistry align to produce them. They guide physical structure and chemical compounds to suit their needs - to survive and replicate.

[Anonymous No.12022858]

>>12018921
That is wrong. He says both Dante (true) and Michelangelo (wrong) were outside of the Renaissance. As to Raphael, he specifically targets him with derision. Michelangelo doesn't interrupt his narrative because he defines him out of the Renaissance. Maybe you should reread the first volume.

[Anonymous No.12022887]

Spengler gave me some great one-liners:
"Man is a beast of prey"
"Optimism is cowardice"
And when I'm feeling particularly edgy:
"There is but one end to all the conflict, and that is death—the death of individuals, of peoples, of cultures."

[Anonymous No.12022902]

>>12022887
where is his hand

[Anonymous No.12022910]

>>12022902
going for a quick jackoff during the photoshoot

[Anonymous No.12022969]

>>12022887
Yeah, he's up there with Nietzsche when it comes to one liners and quotes.

[Anonymous No.12023323]

>>12015510
It was published by Gallimard in 1948, espece de bougnoule mentale.

[Anonymous No.12023458]

Using Spengler's definition of 'western', isn't every country today not western in one way or form, and not in decline as well? I mean, if you look at the birth rate of China or Japan, would Spengler not say that they are in rapid decline too?

[Anonymous No.12023694]

>>12023458
i think he said that the entire world except for some arab cultures are basically faustian aka progressive western technophiles

at this point most of the arab world is the same

[Anonymous No.12023730]

>>12015586
Fulcanelli expressed similar sentiments

[Anonymous No.12023901]

>>12023730
>Fulcanelli
and unironic
>Le Kek

[Anonymous No.12023908]

>>12023694
>>12023458
this is the influence of the civilization on peoples without a culture, or with a weak, dormant culture

he mentions how Faustian culture impressed itself on Russia with Peter the Great. What we see all over the world today would be seen as the late Metropolitan, Civilization stage of Faustian development spreading all over earth, but the other peoples are just mimicking it.

[Anonymous No.12023927]

>>12015493
>Marx wasted an immense amount of text to getting the epistemological basis of his theory right, and to truly elevate socialism to a science,
If you weren't howling with laughter two pages into Kapital then you need to get Bohm-Bawerkpilled

[Anonymous No.12024171]

>>12023927
>Bohm-Bawerkpilled
what's that

[Anonymous No.12024779]

>>12020105
>He’s right regarding disproportionate incarceration of blacks for petty drug offenses but not at all for murder, robbery or rape.
Is this adjusted for prior offensives? I will accept there is something wrong if this discrepancy still holds.

[Anonymous No.12024903]

>>12017900
nu/pol/ misappropriates him. they just read the title of his book, look at his stern face, hear that he is conservative and meme away. usually they just post a picture of him and say "he was right." and others nod to each other as if they are in some secret understanding. if they really took his ideas seriously they would not believe in western civ as being subverted by a foreign enemy, nor would they believe it is possible to revive western civ by intervening in politics. they would just accept its death as natural
>>12018241
based post
>>12022670
he is closer to a sociologist or historian than philosopher. durkheim and herbert spencer put the idea that society is like an organism before him, though they were trying to be scientific. spengler is more existential, even mythic

[Anonymous No.12024924]

>>12019878
>And one of the most common points of criticism against marx is that his positive alternatives to capitalism are flawed and that his vision of socialism is extremely vague, which has led to the disastrous attempts to actually implement Marxism.
Whether or not that's a common criticism of Marx (it is), that doesn't make it a good criticism. Marx's attempts to implement socialism were far from purely theoretical. He was personally involved in the formation of socialist organizations and the advancement of their goals. He also wrote a lot and did a lot of research. Saying that he's "unoriginal" is preposterous--one does not have to be "original" to have powerful insights or to be significant in the history of philosophy. The important thing about Marx was the manner in which he arranged a set of theories that already existed into a new constellation that was an effective nucleus for political action and academic debate in the emerging contexts of his time. His vision of socialism isn't especially vague, especially compared to the other socialisms prevalent in his day and age. His predictions weren't entirely accurate but that doesn't really matter. Neither were Philip K. Dick's, but he's still hailed as a master of science fiction. Blade Runner is a good film even though we're not going to have androids, flying cars, and offworld colonies by the end of next year.

[Anonymous No.12025426]

>>12015514
wrong
china is going to be the universal empire, america is too decayed to be an empire at this point, you already have the barbarians inside

[Anonymous No.12025489]

>>12015586
dionysian>>>>appolonian bitch

[Anonymous No.12025636]

>>12015586
>He unironically thought the "art" of Northern Europe in the earliest days of the medieval era was better than the works of the Renaissance because they showed true, genuine, organic culture rather than an alleged stiltified intellectualism in the Renaissance art.
How??

[Anonymous No.12025645]

>>12023458
No, they're just larping.

[Anonymous No.12025926]

>>12024903
>they would just accept its death as natural
Yockey did not, hence Imperium.

[Anonymous No.12025947]

>>12015493
please read tainter's collapse right now
stop reading kraut faggots ripping off nietzsche

[Anonymous No.12026123]

>>12025947
>Nietzsche
mostly Goethe but nice try fag

[Anonymous No.12026172]

>>12025426
>china is going to be the universal empire
It really is not. China has nothing.

[Anonymous No.12026408]

>>12025926
Yockey is a baseder version of Spengler, can't believe he isn't more popular.

[Anonymous No.12026442]

>>12024779
There's nothing wrong. The American criminal justice system is completely fair and devoid of bias, and is staffed by scrupulous professionals, closer to angels than men.

[Anonymous No.12026480]

>>12025426
China is not part of Faustian culture in the first place

[Anonymous No.12026500]

>>12026480
It has been part of it ever since it adopted communism and then adopted capitalism. In fact, every country and culture have been absorbed by the Faustian cycle. Whatever remained of genuine Chinese culture has been destroyed by Mao.

[Anonymous No.12026509]

>>12026500
wasn't it Heidegger that wrote that modernization/westernization would come to china on the hands of the communists?

[Anonymous No.12026520]

>>12026500
>>12026509
>While reading Heidegger’s Black Notebooks, I came across an intriguing comment on Chinese communism, which became the second opening quote of my book: “If communism in China should come to rule, one can assume that only in this way will China become ‘free’ for technology. What is this process?”
http://www.parrhesiajournal.org/parrhesia27/parrhesia27_hui.pdf

[Anonymous No.12026525]

>>12026500
that's not how it works in Spengler. At most they adopt the superficial outward forms of the culture eg. Rome starting to make domed architecture when Magian culture was starting.

[Anonymous No.12026533]

>>12026525
Then i'll have to disagree with Spengler on that, because it's quite obvious that all of China has been thoroughly infected and replaced by a purely western form of communism and capitalism thereafter.

[Anonymous No.12026546]

>>12026533
I don't think he'd disagree with that it just wouldn't correspond to the universal empire stage in his civilizational development.

If Spengler could see the West today I believe he would conclude the empire stage had simply been preemptively broken by the incursion of Russia and we skipped right into decay. I highly doubt the United States or any Western European country is going to produce a Caesar before it all just collapses.

[Anonymous No.12026922]

>>12025947
Tainter is good but how come he never talks about the collapse of the USSR?

[Anonymous No.12027026]

>>12019297
And widespread infertility, don't forget that. Except that instead of a gentle decline as he predicted, countries like Italy and Germany are poised for a demographic implosion that's been never seen before in history.

[Anonymous No.12027074]

>>12027026
funny how the most severe cases of infertility arent even in the West, but in westernized asian countries like China and Japan.

[Anonymous No.12027086]

>>12027074
China seriously screwed themselves over with their one child policy, but yeah. Add Korea and Singapore to that list too. Dunno what it is with azns that won't fucking breed, is there even any way to assure stable and productive (as in tons of kids) unions that isn't religion?

[Anonymous No.12027114]

>>12027074
Brazil and Chile also have lower birth rates than the USA does.

[Anonymous No.12027128]

>>12027074
The actual native population in places like Germany are on par with Japan

[Anonymous No.12027164]

>>12026408
Yes, agreed. However Counter Currents and the like are doing some promoting of his work, which is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.12028211]

How do I my hands on Kissinger's 400 page undergraduate thesis on Spengler?

[Anonymous No.12028216]

>>12028211
>Kissinger's 400 page undergraduate thesis on Spengler
is he redpilled?

[Anonymous No.12028256]

>>12028216
The Meaning of history : reflections on Spengler, Toynbee and Kant

We'll have to read it and find out anon but it's apparently only available in microfilm in person

where are the harvard posters when we need them

[Anonymous No.12028286]

>>12028216
Kissinger is the most redpilled man in existence, you should already know this

[Anonymous No.12029307]

>>12015514
You are weak

[Anonymous No.12029318]

>>12027164
>>12026408
Go the FUCK away, nobody cares about your retarded shilling

[Anonymous No.12029655]

>>12028256
>>12028286
>>12028216
>>12028211

I just requested it on my school's interlibrary loan. They've dug up random shit for me before so let's see if this works magically.

[Anonymous No.12029668]

>>12029655
It’s almost certainly going to be easy to find, they’ll probably have copies on file at Kissinger’s alma mater and it might even be easily available to you online without the need to go through ILL.
t. college library employee

[Anonymous No.12029856]

>>12029668
It's actually very difficult to find and, as far as I have seen, there are no copies of it available online.

>>12029759
Not really related but Spengler's metaphysical conception of race is spot on imo. The biological racialism, like what the Nazis espoused, is completely arbitrary which is why Spengler opposed it.

[Anonymous No.12029724]

>>12018908
this but entirely unironically

[Anonymous No.12029742]

>>12019376
this is fucking delusional lmao

>inb4 a picture of mcdonalds in hong kong means china is akshully western

[Anonymous No.12029759]

>>12019497
Races arent phenotypes you fucking imbecile. New Guineans are genetically closer to Han Chinese than sub-Saharan Africans, I'm sorry that reality doesn't fit onto the narratives of your rage/cuck porn.

[Anonymous No.12030203]

>>12029318
You, autist, need to take your medicine and bugger off. There is no shilling to be had in these comments, the other anon and I merely happen to have a certain appreciation for Yockey's works. In a thread about Spengler - who influenced Yockey enormously, this is more than appropriate. So STFU thank you.

[Anonymous No.12030268]

>>12030203
Yockey was a Neo-Nazi demagogue, not a serious scholar of history.

[Anonymous No.12030381]

>>12030268
>not a serious scholar of history.
and Spengler then?
>mathematician
>describes himself as a "poet"

[Anonymous No.12030414]

>>12030381
Spengler certainly wasn’t a Neo-Nazi. That counts for quite a lot.

[Anonymous No.12030455]

>>12030414
Your bias is showing. And your use of the term neo-Nazi is in itself quite problematic, to say the least. Fair enough but you ought to at least consider Yockey's development of Spengler's theses before dismissing him on a purely ideological basis. But perhaps you are one of these screeching no-platform imbeciles, which is your existential right - for now.

[Anonymous No.12030531]

>>12029759
They are in the negroid rubric due to the pigmentation you retard,, not because they are genetically linked to blacks. Good lord, read more instead of kvetching like the tard you are.

[Anonymous No.12030543]

>>12015493
>>Marx wasted an immense amount of text to getting the epistemological basis of his theory right,
...And failed

[Anonymous No.12030550]

>>12030531
HBD is an autistic waste of time. Only low IQ white nats take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.12030551]

>>12030543
how did he fail?

[Anonymous No.12030552]

>>12015636
Litteraly the complete polar opposite happened.

[Anonymous No.12030606]

Why are you always so obsessed with decline and decay that you will jump to anyone confirming your already pessimistic views?

[Anonymous No.12030618]

>>12030550
HBD? I'm not autisticly into it, I simply enjoy the biodiversity and hereditary of phenotypes.

[Anonymous No.12030620]

>>12030606
>Spengler
>pessimistic
Why do people that never read him ascribe so many value judgements to him?

[Anonymous No.12030624]

>>12030620
I agree that people ascribe value judgments to his work, especially Decline which he even thought was an unfortunate title, but Spengler was still pretty pessimistic. He does make value judgments in Man and Technics, and you can't help but feel that the man who famously said that "optimism is cowardice" was somewhat pessimistic.

[Anonymous No.12030632]

>>12030624
Yes, but Decline in general is about as value neutral as it gets. His voice in that is purely that of a scientist.

[Anonymous No.12030646]

Why the fuck is it so hard to find a copy of decline of the west? Especially volume 1.

[Anonymous No.12030668]

>>12030455
>bias
That’s one word for it but probably not a good descriptor. Yockey’s politics make it impossible to take him seriously. I should know, I spent 2 years trying to take right-wing politics seriously. Eventually I had to give up because of people like (You).
>no-platform
Better not to be involved in political action than to back a retarded horse with two broken legs.

[Anonymous No.12030679]

What should i read before Spengler?

[Anonymous No.12030681]

>>12015493
Huh? Is this bait? I find Spengler a lot more interesting than Marx but Marx has been far more prophetic. It's not even close. Perhaps Spengler will be vindicated in the future. I swear, though, it's like you guys comment on Marx without having read his work.

[Anonymous No.12030683]

>>12030679
The Hungry Caterpillar

[Anonymous No.12030685]

>>12030683
Already read that.

[Anonymous No.12030687]

>>12030679
just read Spengler, the prose is beautiful and he is easy to follow

you can read before Nietzsche and Goethe if you want but you can also read them afterwards

[Anonymous No.12030688]

>>12030681
Such as? The greatest predictions were that capitalism would suffer ever increasing crises which would eventually cause the proletariat to rise up, but this hasn't happened in any way.

[Anonymous No.12030713]

>>12030668
The first part of your statement I can accept, you have researched and reasoned and come to differing conclusions than I. That is your right. But there is no need for a silly and (im)personal dig - in cauda venenum, such as you include, that is unwarranted, we are not on /pol/.
As to your second statement, it is plain silly. Anyhow, back to the discussion at hand.

[Anonymous No.12030718]

>>12030713
that's true, the proletariat was Marx's worst concept, he was good when talking about capitalist dynamics otherwise

[Anonymous No.12030733]

What does /his/ think of Glubb's Fate of Empires? I know it achieved some meme level spin online a few yeas back, but it is a thought provoking study at any rate, and a hell of a lot more concise than Spengler's weighty tomes...

[Anonymous No.12030753]

>>12030733
fuck off back to your /pol/ offshoot, imbecile

[Anonymous No.12030759]

>>12030753
now there's a /pol/ tier reply.

[Anonymous No.12030764]

>>12030759
you would know.
don't reply to me again

[Anonymous No.12030768]

>>12030764
what's your problem with Glubb's work? care to elaborate instead of schoolyard insults?

[Anonymous No.12030779]

>>12030768
are you slow?
look at the post and the thread you are in
fuck off

[Anonymous No.12030780]

>>12030713
I do not agree with Yockey’s politics or his methods and I find his motivations suspect. I don’t respect you at all. Stop replying to me. I don’t care about your input. Nobody who sticks up for Neo-Nazi charlatans this much deserves to be able to read.

[Anonymous No.12030787]

>>12030779
>accurate predictions about the cultural, political, and millitary course of Western society.
So Glubb has nothing of value to add on this topic? You truly are retarded,

[Anonymous No.12030788]

>>12030787
How about you tell us about this Glubb fellow and make us give a shit about his wet farts instead of being a faggot about it?

[Anonymous No.12030789]

>>12030718
did you respond to the wrong post?

[Anonymous No.12030791]

>>12030787
keep working on it moron maybe you will figure it out one day and perhaps your little sausage fingers will even manage to hit the dot button on your keyboard

[Anonymous No.12030797]

>>12030780
Embarassing and very left wing post.

[Anonymous No.12030798]

>>12015493
Marx essentially employs Hegel's dialectic in assuming that the synthesis of class struggle and proletarian dictatorship is a classless society. He forgot about that pesky human nature thing.

[Anonymous No.12030810]

>>12030797
I’m embarrassed to be arguing with someone who takes Francis Yockey to be anything other than a demagogue

[Anonymous No.12030815]

>>12015493
MINERALS MARIE

[Anonymous No.12030837]

>>12030798
>Hegel
>synthesis

rrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.12030857]

>>12030791
ok keyboard warrior.

[Anonymous No.12030862]

>>12030798
>human nature

[Anonymous No.12030864]

>>12030862
>claim AIDS is a capitalist lie
>die of AIDS
yeah, human nature.

[Anonymous No.12030874]

>>12030864
Marx actually spent a good deal of time analyzing how humans work. The idea that there is an eternal human nature that is not malleable flies in the face of all theories of evolution.

[Anonymous No.12030890]

How embarrassing is it to be in the same thread as some faggot who thinks Spengler and Marx are somehow compatible?

[Anonymous No.12030895]

>>12030874
It doesn't. If such a human nature would change then it wouldn't really be a nature, and any change of nature that occurs only occurs because a species evolves from one species into another, which means it no longer is the first species. In the human case, this means that the nature can only change by changing a human into something non-human, which means you will no longer have a human nature but a different nature altogether.

Also i know Marx devoted a significant part of his work to figuring out how humans work. It's just that he got much of it wrong.

[Anonymous No.12030897]

>>12030862
Do you deny the existence of instinctive and emotional behaviour?

[Anonymous No.12031021]

>>12030890
>how are two philosophers of history comparable

[Anonymous No.12031023]

>>12030862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0dM6j7pzQA

[Anonymous No.12031029]

>>12030895
You’re fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.12031049]

>>12031029
The idea that there aren't immutable natures in evolution is fucking retarded, famsci. We've been over this with the New Synthesis. Also one of Marx' 4 forms of alienation under capitalism is alienation from himself, which already implies some form of unalterable nature within every human.

[Anonymous No.12031274]

>>12031049
Continue being retarded if you want but stop replying to me

[Anonymous No.12031292]

>>12031274

>ive got no arguments and know nothing but you're wrong rreeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.12031312]

>>12031021
>comparable
>compatible
learn how into reading comprehension, numbskull

[Anonymous No.12031318]

>>12031292
this newfag is obviously having his fun all by his autistic self, let him have free rein I say.

[Anonymous No.12031320]

>>12031292
I know you’re retarded because you tried to downplay the fact that Yockey is a Neo-Nazi. There is no argument to be made against someone like you.

[Anonymous No.12031322]

>>12031312
oh right, in that case you're just a moron for implying that anyone was thinking spengler and marx were compatible, because no one did that.

[Anonymous No.12031330]

>>12031320
my first post in this thread was >>12030895, i never even mentioned Yockey you braindead mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.12031362]

>>12031330
And how am I supposed to know that when all of you /pol/ cocksuckers type the same exact way to express the same exact opinions?

[Anonymous No.12031373]

>>12031362
>implying i'm /pol/
i just think Marx got a lot wrong and i believe human nature exists. Neither of those opinions are /pol/ in any way

[Anonymous No.12031628]

>>12031373
Stop replying to me, moron

[Anonymous No.12031640]

>>12031628
why do you keep writing that? if you're so unhappy, all you have to do is leave, or take your xanax.

[Anonymous No.12031650]

>>12015510

[Anonymous No.12031660]

>>12031640
Why do you keep replying to me? You're fucking retarded. Stop replying to me. You're a moron. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.12031668]

>>12031660
>Why do you keep replying to me? You're fucking retarded. Stop replying to me. You're a moron. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.12031674]

>>12015514
You just realised that most whites in the USA are Germanic (English and German).

[Anonymous No.12031682]

>>12017726
Had a friend who told me about this one guy who he dropped acid with and the guy wouldn’t leave him alone through the trip. He said he would harass him about ideas and “revelations” he was having at the moment. He said they were gonna start a company and be just like Steve Jobs and Wozniak becuase “they took acid too bro, lmao we’re just like them”

[Anonymous No.12031699]

>>12030531
The categories in that image are not labeled "Phenotype" they are labeled "Race", and Melanesians and Austronesians fall under the "Negroid Race", which is misleading at best.

[Anonymous No.12031712]

>>12015580
The only reason you think this is because absolute propaganda in the west has conditioned you to glorify the Renaissance.

[Anonymous No.12031713]

>>12019226
What a jewish video.

[Anonymous No.12031715]

>>12015510
You're typing in English.

[Anonymous No.12031718]

>>12015636
Name these things or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.12031730]

>>12031699
It's the first collection of the original one from Human Phenotypes website, which I found. The page was taken down by rabid antipants, so you'll have to deal with what people collected ib4. I haven't read the titles, so props for you. I'm gonna paint it away for the next reposting.

Other than that phenotypes go hand in hand with actual genetic testing, meaning a basque will have norther frence markers and a North Pontid will come down to the balkan area in the highest concentration.

[Anonymous No.12031743]

>>12031730
In that case sorry for the misunderstanding, I'm just interested in phenotypes myself and hate when they're equivocated with race which both /pol/ and liberals seem very eager to do for their own ends.

[Anonymous No.12031769]

>>12022858
Raphael really did suck though.

[Anonymous No.12031812]

>>12031769
this whole fuckin thread sucks, apart from Spengler, and even then.

[Anonymous No.12031999]

>>12018216
But they all have a similar culture, faith and people, and they share a lot of common experiences of European history--feudalism, the Renaissance, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, the Industrial Revolution.
'The West' is basically white, Christian countries, and despite being culturally diverse, they share a hell of a lot more in common with each other than they do with other non-Western nations.

[Anonymous No.12032001]

>>12019371
>>12019376
Japan and China are not western by any means. Sure they take Western influence but they are both very much their own thing.

[Anonymous No.12032082]

>>12031743
Yeah, it boils down to stupid people doing stupid stuff and shitting the subject up for whoever has been there before. Agreeing on principle with most poltard topics, it makes me only more angry to know that those people are representing me, due to kvetching the loudest.

[Anonymous No.12032089]

>>12025426
<-- What till you see the.. OHNONONONO

Chinese history is just full of times where the population rises to enormous numbers and then everything collapses and millions of people starve to death and start eating each other.
The collapse of modern China will probably be the worst collapse in human history, considering that there are 1.4 billion of them, half of that, ~700 million live in cities.
The Dungan Revolt was started by some irrelevant Chinese bamboo merchant ripping people off which sparked a colossal war that killed 10 million people.
The Taiping Rebellion was started by some guy who failed an exam and then claimed he was the brother of Jesus, resulting in a conflict in which 30 million people died.
Never underestimate the power of a Chinese chimpout.

[Anonymous No.12032095]

>mfw though evoposting and raceposting invoke retarded ideologies they succeed in degenerating threads specifically because the mongoloids who do it have no idea what they're talking about

There's a tremendous irony here entailing genealogy and informational entropy.

[Anonymous No.12032110]

>>12019686
I know this is a joke but guess what language arabs from the other side of the mediteranea are speaking ? Can't get rid of the french parasites like this

[Anonymous No.12032134]

>>12032089
yeah, see TT Meadows' The Chinese and their Rebellions for a great analysis of this trend.

[Anonymous No.12032140]

>>12032082
>it makes me only more angry to know that those people are representing me, due to kvetching the loudest.
you must be some leftist retard to spout crap like that

[Anonymous No.12032150]

>>12031713
>n-no don't shit on us ubermensch

Get fucked, germs

[Anonymous No.12032173]

>>12030681
No one actually fucking reads Marx.

[Anonymous No.12032184]

>>12032095
>reactionary thinker attracts reactionaries
I like Spengler a lot and think he's criminall underrated, but he is really close to /pol/.

Also the chimpout around Kavanaugh was embarrassing for Democrats.

[Anonymous No.12032252]

>>12032140
I'm a catholic northern european ethno-nationalist, JQ black pilled and further down the bad goy scale than you could even image it to go, so shut the fuck up. There is nothing more disgusting than usefull idiots, you are just like traitors and get your bullets first. You are low IQ degenerates, with the only difference beeing the side on which you take a shit, compared to the refugees welcome brainlets. You don't really know anything, but that doesn't prevent you from kvetching maga, dangerous faggot and kekistani autism out load without shame. You disgust me and after using your kind up, most of you would share the fate of all those you hate for the betterment of oir society.

[Anonymous No.12032271]

>>12032252
ok, well happy 17th birthday anyway, Paddy. Don't drink too much, ya hear?

[Anonymous No.12032381]

>>12032271
I'm a neo-boomer with a family of my own. Read more before calling those of us actually doing anything usefull the enemy like a filthy kike.

[Anonymous No.12032389]

>>12032381
>I'm a neo-boomer with a family of my own.
well congratulations - for being able to stick it up the right hole. Boomer though? that's some fine autism you have going on, as is all your crap ITT.

[Anonymous No.12032452]

>>12032389
End yourself.

[Anonymous No.12032458]

>>12031712
Imagine how propagandized by Germanic far right bullshit one would have to be to type such a thing

[Anonymous No.12032484]

>>12032458
no. Rene Guenon - who really disliked the Germans, ancient and modern, stated that the Renaissance was in fact the death of many things. I don't recall the quote verbatim.

[Anonymous No.12032547]

>>12015523
Sanity

[Anonymous No.12032719]

>>12032389
cope

[Anonymous No.12032728]

>>12031999
So what? There's no such thing as "the West."

[Anonymous No.12032729]

>>12032484
well for Guenon medieval times were less degenerate than classical antiquity

[Anonymous No.12032754]

>>12032728
Yes there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world
People refer to it all the time, you know exactly what they mean when they talk about it, you just have an inflated opinion of yourself and you think you're such a smartass that you've figured out that each country in 'the West' is not exactly the same, so you pretend to ignore its existence because you disagree with the semantics.

This kind of thing is very relevant: http://www.columbia.edu/itc/sipa/S6800/courseworks/foreign_aff_huntington.pdf

[Anonymous No.12032757]

>>12032458
>propaganda only affects people I don't like

[Anonymous No.12032773]

>>12032728
there's no such thing as anything

[Anonymous No.12032779]

>>12032754
While I don't deny the existence of a "Western world," I don't think it's reasonable to say that it had a lot of common experiences over the past 500 years. Most of those experiences actually involved one or more forms of conflict between members of Western civilization. The Reformation, the Industrial Revolution, both World Wars, etc., do nothing more than illustrate that a group of countries related by nothing but geography have no ties but geography.
>clash of civilizations
Wow, congratulations, that's one theory of international relations. Care to name a few more?
>>12032773
That's also true. The only thing that exists is consciousness.

[Anonymous No.12032796]

>>12032779
>The only thing that exists is consciousness.
I fucking hate pseuds like you

[Anonymous No.12032803]

>>12032796
The only pseuds here are the ones jerking themselves off over the idea that all of Europe had an identical experience of the 30 Years War

[Anonymous No.12032815]

>>12032803
I never said they had an identical experience of the 30 Years War did I?
But they did have an experience, a shared experience, which is what matters.

[Anonymous No.12032840]

>>12032815
>But they did have an experience, a shared experience, which is what matters.
a bit like the sex, right?

[Anonymous No.12032858]

>>12032840
What is that "shared experience" supposed to consist of? If anything, these wars are responsible for the widening of gaps between states, not for suturing them together. No love was lost between Germany and France in the years between 1618 and 1945.

[Anonymous No.12033120]

>>12018241
Incredible post

[Anonymous No.12033147]

>>12032484
i dont recall Guenon disliking the Germans.

[Anonymous No.12033595]

>>12033147
you ought to read more, mate. especially the chapter from Introduction to the study of Hindu Doctrines (removed from late editions I think). Search for « L'INFLUENCE ALLEMANDE » and bang it into google translate for a laugh.
Also see his remarks in his articles on the symbolism of the swastika. Etc.

[Anonymous No.12033716]

The more I read from Spengler the more I am convinced that he is the last great philosopher of the Western tradition.

His work is the very Faustian spirit realized in the form of an all encompassing philosophy of World History -- the last great act of the Faustian spirit before it begins to turn in on itself. To explain all World History, and then venture to predict its future -- there is nothing more Faustian than this.

A few others tried to follow Spengler, like Toynbee or Yockey or Huntington, but theirs were merely imitations that failed. Now it is too late for anyone to try and eclipse Spengler, as the Faustian spirit here is extinguished, deposed by intellectualism and incessant critique.

[Anonymous No.12033732]

>>12033716
>not namedropping Quigley
dropped