Mother Teresa

[Anonymous No.12007745]

Was Christopher Hitchens right about her?
Thoughts on this rather small tome?

[Anonymous No.12007831]

>tfw Christopher Hitchens is in Hell

[Anonymous No.12007834]

>>12007831
>tfw christians are such faggot ressentiment filled pussies they torture someone for all time for being annoying while alive

[Anonymous No.12007851]

>>12007831
>tfw Christians think they are moral when they say shit like this.

[Anonymous No.12007896]

No he wasn't. In fact there's some very embarrassing misunderstandings at best, and outright lies at worst. He confused hospices for hospitals and thinks the doctrine of suffering is a motivation to inflict suffering on other people. Then he castigates St. Teresa for not providing pain medication that wasn't even available in the areas she was operating until 2013. The accusations of forced baptism are prima facie laughable because they wouldn't be valid in the Catholic Church. Am I forgetting anything?

[Anonymous No.12007917]

>>12007834
>>12007851
"No one is in Hell who doesn't want to be there," the saying goes. Hitchens wanted total apartness from God, and I assume, now, he has it.

[Anonymous No.12007918]

>>12007851
>>12007834
>I don't believe in God yet I get offended at being rejected by him

[Anonymous No.12007946]

>>12007745
I heard his scholarship here isn’t very good and that some of his sourcing is questionable. Surprise surprise, he’s a cheap polemicist. It’s a shame Hitchens didn’t put his erudition and intellect to better use... I don’t know why he was content with being a midwit.

One of his less impressive misconceptions is trying to call Mother Teresa as an atheist because of her (what Catholics would call) “spiritual dryness” – her lack of feeling a God, the dark night of the soul etc. Mother Teresa could probably be an interesting subject for analysis and criticism. Instead she’s reduced to an object of banal and wrong-headed shock journalism. Even now “Le mother Teresa controversy!! Omg that bitch”. Yawn.

[Anonymous No.12007966]

>>12007946
His sourcing is more than questionable, it's nonexistent. He doesn't support any of his assertions against St. Teresa in his book.

[Anonymous No.12007994]

>>12007834
Christians don't get to torture people in hell. Where'd you learn that bullshit from?

[Anonymous No.12007995]

>>12007851
Muslims are also happy that fucker is dead, God will decide his eternal fate

[Anonymous No.12007996]

Did Christopher Hitchens ever do anything for charity?


It seems like he was complains that she was letting people die with dignity, while also doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.12008001]

>>12007896
>>12007946
>>12007966
He quite clearly puts forward the inarguable point that what Teresa was doing was medically detrimental since the facility that she ran in India was: understaffed, unsanitary, and unhelpful but the masses swarmed to it anyways because of "muh magic miracle healer" shtick

many preventable deaths are the direct result of this woman's work and Hitchens rightly points it out. here's another nice source in regards to Hitchens and Teresa btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJG-lgmPvYA

[Anonymous No.12008029]

>>12008001
Teresa operated a hospice which is a place designed to provide aid and comfort to the dying and that's what it did. Any healing or treating that took place was extra and it's ridiculous to say her work was "inarguably detrimental" because there was no alternatives. The people going to her for treatment had other place to go so those preventable deaths were anything but.

A Youtube video based on a book without sources doesn't remotely come close justifying such wild assertions. At best his accusation amounts to St. Teresa not providing state of the art medical care to everyone that came to her. Well no shit, that's because it wasn't possible. How could she when the areas she operated didn't even have anything resembling state of the art medicine until 2013?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/12/04/india-improve-access-strong-pain-medicines

[Anonymous No.12008035]

>>12008029
>The people going to her for treatment had no other place to go

Fixed

[Anonymous No.12008046]

>>12007896
You are deliberately twisting facts. Can you prove that pain medication was unavailable in Calcutta?
What about the present condition of the homes and hospices run by the Missionaries of Charity?
What about the recent allegations that they are involved in child trafficking in the country?

[Anonymous No.12008047]

>>12007745
Like all his books, it's an unresearched, uncited exercise in preaching to the choir. Hitchens was a complete idiot.
>>12007994
Getting a hard-on by imagining someone being tortured is a substitute for doing the torturing yourself.

[Anonymous No.12008061]

>>12007745
I can't believe someone would write a book about her with that title. I mean, how much of a crass, juvenile edgelord can you be?

[Anonymous No.12008065]

>>12008029
Please read the article that you have linked and then try to justify how it provides evidence for what you are claiming?
Moreover, people died of preventable diseases that could have been cured in a normal medical facility. She was more bothered with converting people as they lay dying.
And I ask again, are you aware of the deplorable condition of the homes run by the Missionaries of Charity in Calcutta at present?

[Anonymous No.12008066]

>>12008046
Yeah here's the source. I don't think it was entirely unavailable but all pain medication was highly restricted by laws that started to go away around 2013.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/12/04/india-improve-access-strong-pain-medicines

I don't know anything about the mission today or whether they're trafficking children and I don't see the relevancy to St. Teresa since she dead. She's obviously not running things at the moment.

[Anonymous No.12008078]

>>12008065
The article shows that there was a problem with people getting access to palliative care which they're trying to fix by repealing the laws that restrict pain medication. Yes, people died of preventable diseases but only our western standard of healthcare. Those "preventable deaths" weren't preventable because those people had no alternatives. There weren't any hospitals or any other place they could go for treatment. Whatever the conditions of the mission at present are irrelevant to St. Teresa. I don't know what they are and I don't care.

[Anonymous No.12008082]

>>12008066
The long and short of it is that Mother Teresa had the funds to make some real changes but she refused to do so.
There can be no justification of how she exploited a historical circumstances (the creation of Bangladesh and the ensuing refugee crisis in West Bengal) to convert the wretched of the earth under the guise of providing them healthcare!
She could have used her power and influence to actually help people instead of creating unsanitary hospices that just provided a bed for these people to die in.

If you were to see the conditions of these places, you'll lose all respect for this wretched woman!

[Anonymous No.12008089]

>>12007918
>>12007917

Take your meds, you schizophrenics.

[Anonymous No.12008092]

>>12008078
Firstly, Calcutta did have medical facilities in place. Calcutta isn't your regular third world shit hole. The situation was a mess because of one of the worst refugee crisis in modern history. There was huge influx of Bangldeshi Hindus fleeing East Pakistan (which eventually became Bangladesh).
But she did nothing but siphon off funds.

[Anonymous No.12008093]

>>12008082
There was no guide of providing healthcare. She ran a hospice and not a hospital and she did more for those poor than anyone else did at the time. You seem more upset that from her actions people were choosing to become Christian rather than being upset at the world sitting by and doing nothing while those people suffered. You're a hypocrite of the highest order accusing her of not doing enough while you did nothing, while you still do nothing.

[Anonymous No.12008100]

>>12008092
If they had adequate medical facilities why were people coming to her for treatment and why did the Sisters have to pick up people out of ditches and give them a place to die with dignity? If you admit there were not adequate facilities then my point stands. There were no alternatives and those "preventable deaths" were anything but.

[Anonymous No.12008104]

>>12008100
Because India is filled with uneducated and superstitious people. They thought a miracle worker could put her hands and them and get rid of any illness so they went to a disease vector and got even sicker.

[Anonymous No.12008106]

>>12008093
People did not choose to become Christian bit were forced to. She was dealing with people who were dying and did not know better. In some cases, these people were from the lower castes.

You are ignorant in your claim that she did the most for these people at time. It is a myth that has been propagated by Western media.

And, by the way, I am not an American or even white. I was born and brought up in Calcutta. So I do a thing or two about what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.12008122]

>>12008100
The refugee crisis following the creation of Bangladesh resulted in a huge problem. Law and order was mess for quite some time. Essentially, the Pakistani government had started a pogrom against the native Hindu population of East Pakistan; eventually with India's aid the "Mukti Bahini or Freedom Army" was able to crush the Pakistani army, thus establishing Bangladesh. This led to Hindus fleeing Bangladesh in and around 1971 through a highly porous border into Calcutta.

[Anonymous No.12008126]

>>12008106
You confirm my suspicions then. The real issue for you is that people became Christian. There were no forced conversions and you have no evidence to support the assertion. The accusation is ridiculous on the face of it because per Catholic doctrine, any sort of forced or manipulated baptism is not valid so there would be no point in doing it.

>>12008104
This is ridiculous. What reason do you have to believe that anyone had access for forgoed medical treatment in lieu of some hoped for miracle?

>>12008122
The reason people were suffering is irrelevant. People were suffering and there weren't adequate medical facilities so people who needed treatment wasn't getting it.

[Anonymous No.12008134]

>>12008126
My problem is that she did not do enough when she could have done so easily. She was motivated by her religious doctrine of suffering and was anything but cruel to the people in her mercy.
I'm not doing into her support for criminals and fascists.
You are too deluded to see reason. For some reason the myth of Teresa and the Catholic Church are more important to you than the reality of the situation.
I will not waste my time with you.

[Anonymous No.12008142]

>>12008134
>i won't back any of my assertions but still say you're wrong
You and Hitchens are retarded.

[Anonymous No.12008150]

>>12008134
What reason do you have to believe she could have done more? She wasn't a trained doctor or nurse and pain medication, if available at all was highly restricted by law. If St. Teresa'a goal was to cause suffering then why would she help anyone at all? The doctrine of suffering has to do with the redemptive value of personally experiencing suffering and would provide no rational reason to cause it in other people let alone in yourself. This is a complete misunderstanding of the doctrine on Hitchen's part you share it.

If accepting money from criminals amounts to supporting them than I'm afraid that we're all guilty on some level since there's a good chance every dollar you hold has been in a criminals hands at some point. What made St. Teresa different was that she took money from criminals and did good works with it. Can you say the same? I'm not even Catholic, I just value truth.

[Anonymous No.12008151]

>>12008142
Are you too retarded to use Google?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa?wprov=sfla1

This has extensive references apart from Hitchens. Do you own research. I'm not obligated to educate you.

[Anonymous No.12008152]

>>12008126
>This is ridiculous. What reason do you have to believe that anyone had access for forgoed medical treatment in lieu of some hoped for miracle?
Christian scientists, faith healing, new age medicine, homeopathy, witch doctors, traditional Chinese medicine, that growing Christian sect in Nigeria all about miracles, turning on a Sunday morning to service and seeing a priest "cure" blindness. What planet do you live on where people don't search for a miracle to solve their illnesses? Even in a developed country there are people who believe that prayer will cure their cancer and I've got no doubt that problem is much larger in countries vastly more religious than America.

[Anonymous No.12008153]

>>12008151
cringe

[Anonymous No.12008168]

>>12008151
>mobilefag expects me to do the arguing for you
No, you have to do the research because you're the one trying to argue bullshit here. That article is poorly cited, and relies on quoting Chatterjee and Hitchens, not providing any actual facts. Yeah, I'm sure both those dumbasses said stupid shit, now go ahead and prove those accusations.

[Anonymous No.12008173]

>>12008150
Come on now! She did not quarantine patients with diseases like tuberculosis. She reused syringes without sterilising them and she didn't differentiate between curable and incurable diseases.

Hitches is not the only one who has criticised her. Do some reading, please.

[Anonymous No.12008195]

>>12008168
For where I'm standing. You are the one just defending Teresa based on nothing substantial but a myth created by the media.

[Anonymous No.12008198]

>>12008152
You misunderstand, I'm not saying people weren't looking for miracles. I'm saying the assertion that there were enough people who had access to medical treatment but chose not to take advantage of it in the hope instead of receiving a miracle from St. Teresa, and in the process of doing so spread their diseases, making the entirely of St. Teresa's work a net negative on a utilitarian scale, is completely baseless and ridiculous.

>>12008173
Your source is some random Indian guy who also happens to be really annoyed that she converted people to Christianity but even if we assume that everything you said was true, so what? The accusation amounts to her not providing state of the art medical care but neither was anyone else. Neither was it the purpose of her mission. Any treatment done by the sisters was by necessity since those people had no alternatives. They weren't trained medical professionals and they didn't pretend to be. People came of their own free will.

[Anonymous No.12008227]

>>12008198
It is too easy to dismiss an Indian academic as some random guy, as if his research and scholarship amounts to nothing.

And so what? There were hundreds of people working on ground including the UN. The UNHCR did more than what Teresa did. She could have done a lot better but she did not. And you can not dismiss this with a "so what".
Indians have no reason to be grateful for a charlatan exploiting history for the sake for her grossly deluded religious beliefs.

[Anonymous No.12008262]

>>12008227
>for the sake for her grossly deluded religious beliefs.
Ah of course. I think we see the reason for your steadfast belief in some random poorly sourced ‘intellectuals’: you’re an atheist with no faith in God! How surprising. Thanks to people like you, millions of people have died under atheist ideologies, compared to the small few that may have died due to being afflicted by maladies that Mother Teresa, in her non-congruence to Jesus, could not cure, despite there being no reasonable alternative. Thank you for your contribution to mankind. I’ll consider this when I’m thinking of who has made this thread, board, site, and world a worse place to live, one mentality at a time.

[Anonymous No.12008293]

>ITT redditor Hitchens worshippers get ahniliated
Glorious

[Anonymous No.12008303]

>>12008262
Spoken like true religitard.

[Anonymous No.12008307]

>>12008227
>The UN did more than a single poor woman running clinics did, therefore she could've done as much as the UN
No?
>Indians have no reason to be grateful for a charlatan exploiting beliefa
Why, because while providing treatment she also pushed her brand of Catholic ascetecism? Edgy

[Anonymous No.12008312]

>>12008303
>relitard
Is there anything worse than brainlets latching onto a dying movement and use their cringy neologisms 10 years after the movement has become a stigmata?

But at least you're some 94IQ third worlder, so that's a good excuse for not beeing up to date. Maybe becoming tippers will stop your kind from flooding the world.

[Anonymous No.12008313]

>>12008262
Stop sucking Jesus' cock, bro. Let's not hijack this into a theist vs atheist thread. It is clear that you are dumb Catholic who will twist facts and manipulate reality to protect your cherished fantasy. Your arguments have way too many holes and it's simply not worth my time to pull you out of your pit of ignorance.

[Anonymous No.12008319]

>>12008262
too obvious

[Anonymous No.12008320]

>>12008303
Athiests like you are basically just the most ignorant zealots of every generational religious incarnation who have been sold thins such as consumerism or self obsession as alternatives to metaphysical beliefs.

Ignorant, self glorifying, and engaging in as much cultic activity as the people you claim to be irrational, etc. Filthy conformist NPC, I think all ideologies should weed people like you out and eugenically cleanse them for the benefit of all mankind.

[Anonymous No.12008328]

>>12008307
Poor single woman! Lmao! Dude stop! You are hilarious.

[Anonymous No.12008329]

>>12008313
Not him and agnostic but you're the definition of an angry fedora trying to stand by things not logically consistant, despite prouding yourself in rationalismTM and beeing a Skeptic (R).

[Anonymous No.12008333]

>>12008320
Bro. You have lost it. Go get raped by a priest or something.

[Anonymous No.12008335]

>>12008328
>Catholics always have so much money, dude have you seen the Vatican?

[Anonymous No.12008337]

>>12008333
Old macro, for old retoric.

[Anonymous No.12008342]

>>12008320
Dude, stop being a Catholic cuck. Go read Spinoza.
>>12008337
Actually, follow the news. It's the headline again.

[Anonymous No.12008343]

This thread feels like plebbit in 2008, what a deja-vu.

[Anonymous No.12008347]

>>12008342
>what is the infiltration of the Catholic Chruch through anti-catholic forces since the second vatican counsil which results in the current novus Ordo crimes
You are illiterate on the subject yet think you are illuminated. Back the fuck off, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.12008348]

>>12008342
>Thinking I'm Catholic
A cute
>Read Spinoza
Hmm I suppose I should read Camus and the letters of Diogenes afterwards too then eh?

[Anonymous No.12008352]

Why is everything in this loathsome little death cult either about fucking children or killing children? I don't get it, what makes people so resentful about life and happiness?

[Anonymous No.12008351]

>>12008347
>Sedavacantist unironically
I thought you guys were just memes desu

[Anonymous No.12008355]

>>12008348
Nah... just wait for the second cumming.

[Anonymous No.12008357]

>>12008352
Why is projection so common among 4chan users?

[Anonymous No.12008361]

>>12008355
Straight to de Sade then. Well alright, I guess I don't have a choice I'm clearly in the presence of a superior intellect.

[Anonymous No.12008371]

>>12008351
True Catholics are immortal.

[Anonymous No.12008379]

>>12007831
>he's there with Mother Teresa and John Paul II

[Anonymous No.12008399]

>>12008357
Why is faggotry so common among Reddit users?

[Anonymous No.12008426]

Well, this thread turned out to be a shitshow.

[Anonymous No.12008626]

>>12007966
His sourcing isn't questionable you lying piece of shit, the first pages are from Mary Loudon, a british woman who's a published author.
>https://www.amazon.com/Relative-Stranger-Sisters-Mary-Loudon/dp/0385661282

[Anonymous No.12008638]

>>12008104
>he doesn't know about placebo

[Anonymous No.12008646]

>>12008262
DAS GOY YOU TELL EM!!!

[Anonymous No.12008648]

>>12007831
>>12007896
Years after his death and he's still triggering sensitive Christians. Rest in peace, Hitch, you lovable bastard.

[Anonymous No.12008676]

>>12008648
I'll pray for your soul.

[Anonymous No.12008678]

>>12008150
>What reason do you have to believe she could have done more?
because she had fucking tons of money and the backing of some very powerful patrons

[Anonymous No.12008696]

>>12008168
OK faggot, here's Hemley Gonzalez, a guy who has been documenting this shit in your cuckstian charities, there's pictures, 1st hand accounts and all put forward into the public space.
>https://www.salon.com/2016/01/03/the_wests_big_lie_about_mother_teresa_her_glorification_of_suffering_instead_of_relieving_it_has_had_little_impact_on_her_glowing_reputation/
This is now in the modern world, as recent as 2016
>Reused needles, poorly trained staff and expired medications. The picture Hemley Gonzalez describes to me is not one often associated with adjectives such as “saintly” in the medical profession. Yet as he discusses his experience volunteering at facilities run by Missionaries of Charity, the organization Mother Teresa founded, it becomes increasingly apparent that few of his anecdotes correlate with the reputation she enjoys. “I was shocked to discover the horrifically negligent manner in which the charity operates,” he recalls.

>https://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/hemley-gonzalez-the-truth-about-mother-teresa

>It happened almost instantly, literally on my first day volunteering. I was shocked to discover the horrifically negligent manner in which this charity operates and the direct contradiction of the public's general understanding of their work. Workers wash needles under tap water and then reuse them. Medicine and other vital items are stored for months on end, expiring and still applied sporadically to patients. Volunteers with little or no training carry out dangerous work on patients with highly contagious cases of tuberculosis and other life threatening illnesses. The individuals who operate the charity refuse to accept and implement medical equipment and machinery that would safely automate processes and save live

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKCZVN9doMg
Suck my dick niggerlover, that charity has shit ton of money

[Anonymous No.12008701]

>>12008676

[Anonymous No.12008714]

>>12008696
Your evidence is going to be dismissed because the guy ranting here is a God-fearing cuck and Hemley is a proud atheist.
Moreover when I raised the point about the present state of affairs, he dismissed it by saying that Teresa is dead and no longer running the show so it doesn't count.
Lol.

[Anonymous No.12008762]

>>12008701
You fail to accept His love. Not about loving Him.

[Anonymous No.12008767]

>>12008092
> The situation was a mess because of one of the worst refugee crisis in modern history.
I went and looked this up. The refugee crisis was in 1971 specifically between April and Dec. By 1972, literally January the next year, the bulk of the refugees had returned back.

>https://indianexpress.com/article/research/refugees-in-india-partition-bangladesh-war-tibet-occupation-sri-lankan-tamils-rohingyas-mynamar-world-refugee-day-five-human-influxes-that-have-shaped-india-2864449/
>An estimated 10 million people moved into India from East Pakistan between April and December 1971.
> By January 1972, approximately six million refugees left the country, making it the largest repatriation operation in world history.

[Anonymous No.12008779]

>>12008714
>death is no excuse for not taking responsibility post-mortem

[Anonymous No.12008788]

>>12008767
You do realise that four million is still a huge number.

[Anonymous No.12008797]

No, the mortal body is gay, she was right to focus on the souls.

[Anonymous No.12008799]

>>12008788
Not in country with over 1,3 BILLION people.

[Anonymous No.12008806]

>>12008779
He means the charity you nigger, the charity can still take responsibility, issue a public apology and compensate the victims with its vast pools of cash and lead people to better modern healthcare facilities. Basically they can do what your kiddy fiddler pastors do after nailing the kids like the romans nailed jesus.

[Anonymous No.12008843]

>>12008799
Are you a fucking imbecile? Do you not realise that a sudden influx of six million people into a single city of roughly 3,500,000 can destroy it's infrastructure completely! Mind you that this being a major metropolis was already bursting at its seams. And then four million people chose to stay behind...
Don't be so dense on purpose.

[Anonymous No.12008845]

>>12008806
That's goal post moving, desu. The topic was MT as a person and saint, not the organiation as such. Especially not after her death.

As the other couple anons have shown you, your argument is shit because those curry niggers had no where else to go and if some christians want to make a hospice (place to die in peace) instead of hospital (place of trying to prevent death) that's their right and everyone has a free will to pick either. Most Hindus die on the street even today and get trhown into the next river to root like garbage by passers bye. If they picked to rather die in a mouldy cellar with some christian chicks praying for them, that's fine as they couldn't affort a hospital no matter what. So stop making thoe ridiculous claims while obviously knowing shit.

I'm also not a christian, but an atheist, but I'm not an edgy teen trying to find a boogeyman in a dying religion which will only get replaced by much worse things. You should read into catholic history and into the latest vatican council to understand why suddeny after millenia child molestation is a thing, while having never been before - making christianity the only big religion with a clear stance against child molestation. All changed after the communist infiltration and the admission of the jesuit anti-catholics. If you want to hate on a subject at least be well versed in it.

[Anonymous No.12008850]

>>12008843
Desu, I'm living in a much smaller and equally dense countr which just accepted 5-6 million shitskins in the last 2-3 years, no end in sight. Infrstructure is the least of our problems. Stop trying to revive that dead horse.

[Anonymous No.12008879]

>>12008843
Six million didn't come into 1 city you lying sack of shit. The article states clearly that they were spread out between 3 Indian states
>Majority of them concentrated in West Bengal, Assam and Tripura.
Fuck you.

>>12008845
No it isn't I simply explained what he was saying, whatcha doin rabbi?

>those curry niggers had no where else to go
Did you even read the fucking article? Fucking delusional bastard
>https://indianexpress.com/article/research/refugees-in-india-partition-bangladesh-war-tibet-occupation-sri-lankan-tamils-rohingyas-mynamar-world-refugee-day-five-human-influxes-that-have-shaped-india-2864449/
>By April 1971, Indian Ministry of Labour and Rehabilitation decided to establish fifty camps, each with the capacity of 50,000 refugees. By mid May, Indira Gandhi noted that 330 camps had been established.
330 camps with capacity to hold 50,000 niggers. Meaning they can totally hold 330*50,000 = 16,500,000. And they had totally 10 million people coming, meaning they had more than necessary, a full 6.5 MILLION IN EXCESS CAPACITY, and the refugees started pouring in from April and the camps were established literally the next month. Go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.12008888]

>>12008879
>meaning they had more than necessary
So we agree that the refugees aren't the problem. Gee, maybe you niggerkike should work on your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.12008890]

>>12008845
It is important to understand the historic context in which Teresa achieved her fame and notoriety. It is also important to understand the legacy she left behind and the deeds that are being carried out and legitimised in her name. She is not some random nun.
And yeah, it was her money and she decided to build hospices. Fine. I have no problem with that as long as people actually know her for what she did. I have an issue with the myth making and obfuscation of the truth. Let MT be know for what she was, and not as someone who actually saved the destitute.
>>12008850
Actually, the Bangladeshi Hindus who were crossing the border and entering Calcutta were actually ethnically identical to the native population of the state of West Bengal. They were all Bengali Hindus. So racial tensions that your country may be facing now was not the issue. Crumbling infrastructure was a big problem. The outbreak of infectious diseases in refugee colonies was another issue.

[Anonymous No.12008899]

>>12008888
What the hell are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.12008905]

>>12008890
>I have an issue with the myth making and obfuscation of the truth. Let MT be know for what she was, and not as someone who actually saved the destitute.
Sure, but saving the destitute is free to interpretation. In the christian context saving the soul is more important than the flesh, so it's adequat to call her that. You might disagree but than again, pretty much everything in history can be disagreed on such terms.

>were actually ethnically identical to the native population
I know, that's why I said we have it worse currently, because our "goldnuggets" aren't even culturally matching. The disease part is mostly due to their cultural norms, lets be honest. If you shit and dispose of your dead and trash in the same river in which you bath and take drinking water from, bad things will happen. Trying to blame MT for helping in what she thought was a last mercy is sticking it to the wrong cause. Could she have shaved (in terms of health) more people? Sure. But she didn't have to. If you argue that we have muh bigger fish to fry globally.

[Anonymous No.12008906]

>>12008850
The truth gets lost in reporting. Take a look at the sizes of the state of Tripura, Assam and West Bengal. Only a small fraction fled to Assam and Tripura from the north and north eastern region of Bangladesh where they had to face a hostile and ethnically different population.
Most people chose to come to Calcutta because the population fleeing Bangladesh were ethnically identical. So Calcutta and the district of Murshidabad and Malda were most affected.

And about the camps. Do you have any idea how or what those camps were? They literally consisted of tents with no proper drinking water or access to proper bathrooms. Those were hell holes where MT operated in.

[Anonymous No.12008914]

>>12008899
Those are my posts:
>>12008779
>>12008799
>>12008845
>>12008850
>>12008905
You are replying to someone, I disgree with, disagreeing with him as well.
Than you continue to try to shittalk me further comments, while seemingly arguing on the same argumental side as yourself. You are clearly illiterate.

[Anonymous No.12008925]

>>12008906
>Those were hell holes where MT operated in.
So whats your point? I simply argue that she did nothing wrong, just because she didn't spend the money as some anti-theist would have liked. For most people on this planet a death with the illusion of an afterlife is worth more than the meager hope of survival. Especially as there wasn't a way to help any relevant amount of people in ways which we would consider actual help.

This whole issue boils down to people shitting on Mt because she chose to give a peasful death instead of a couple days longer in a horrible existance starving to death. It's purely ideological hidden behind humanism.

[Anonymous No.12008929]

>>12008905
Indeed. She operated under a very Christian notion of what constituted saving these people and I do find that reprehensible. She was no saint in my books.

And by the way, Indians do have sewage and water treatment plants, although the rivers are highly polluted.

[Anonymous No.12008946]

>>12008925
Although I don't quite agree with your view but even peaceful deaths would have been preferable.
Those deaths were anything but peaceful considering that she wasn't even able to provide basic medicines alleviate pain, instead focusing on her ridiculous doctrine of suffering. She just gave them a bed to die in.

(By the way, someone tried to argue that pain medication wasn't available in India and used a news article on some legislation easing bureaucratic norms as evidence.)

[Anonymous No.12008982]

>>12007831
Don’t rejoice at this ffs, pray for him.

[Anonymous No.12008988]

>>12008946
>Those deaths were anything but peaceful considering that she wasn't even able to provide basic medicines alleviate pain
Hindus even today simply lie down on the street and wait till they die when they sense their death near. MT operated in that cultural context and giving those people at least tea and some soup on a blanket additionally to a proper burial and pschological help to deal with their death is much more than the average indian did. She adopted that doctrine because she couldn't really change anything, so it's coping. And this coping can help to accept pain and not really break under it. Again, you are thinking in modern western ideals and standards.

I lived during the iron curtain in eastern europe and believe me when I say that although there was pain medicine in the 90s in that country, not everyone got it, and nobody who didn't have anything to pay for. Friends had to bring their own needles before an operation. And all that happend right across the border of one of the biggest industrial wetern countries. So please ry to understand that just because something exists, it doesn't mean everyone can get it - especially not if that someone isn't able to pay as free healthcare isn't a thing outside of the west for the most part - or means free to die in a hospital bed.

[Anonymous No.12008990]

>>12008646
Boomer

[Anonymous No.12009015]

>>12008988
Actually you do make some sense. I do not consider Mother Teresa to be malevolent. I see her as someone who genuinely wanted to do some good and operated within the confines of her faith. She could have done a lot more provided the resources she had at her disposal. But she didn't. End of story. No use being angry on history.
But her action had consequences. I have said this before and I'll say it again: she has been placed on a pedestal and is seen as a paragon of benevolence, and that has some unsavory consequences: the work that is being done in her name by the Missionaries of Charity. It's not 1971 and they are still building hospices. They haven't evolved and they derive their legitimatcy from the alleged sainthood of MT. Again, before I'm accused of shifting goalposts, I think this is relevant while judging a public figure like Mother Teresa.

[Anonymous No.12009028]

>>12009015
I’ve just got here but what resources did she have and is there any evidence for their existence?

[Anonymous No.12009037]

>>12009015
> she has been placed on a pedestal and is seen as a paragon of benevolence
I think it wa a political move, to give the indian people a saint of their own as well as promote female characters since the novus ordo is strong in promoting women in such positions. They prolly lacked better ones and that's clear when you consider that they claim nearly every pope since the 60s as holy.

>It's not 1971 and they are still building hospices
Maybe it's more economical to give them a good death than to only help a small hand full of indians just so they can die a couple weeks later due to starvation of chronical illnesses. Again, you still think in terms of a westerner. Life is hard outside of the comfyness of papa staate, death is daily business as is the acceptance of it. The west would benefit of learning how little the life of a human is actually worth out there.

So while I don't really care for their hospices and business modell and still could understand that they would rather provide a "good death" to many people than a "not today - but maybe tomorow" to a small group. For the later the staate and other organisations are responsible. And considering the hindu believes, they don't really fight death - which is again something we could learn from.

[Anonymous No.12009041]

>>12009028
She had the backing of Jean-Claude Duvalier and scandal-hit American financier Charles Keating.
Moreover the MoC did not reveal their finances and and Indian Ministry of Finance lists it as classified information. So one can only speculate.
http://www.srai.org/mother-teresa-where-are-her-millions/
>>According to this article: Perhaps the most lucrative branch of the organisation is the "Holy Ghost" House in New York's Bronx. Susan Shields served the order there for a total of nine and a half years as Sister Virgin. "We spent a large part of each day writing thank you letters and processing cheques," she says. "Every night around 25 sisters had to spend many hours preparing receipts for donations. It was a conveyor belt process: some sisters typed, others made lists of the amounts, stuffed letters into envelopes, or sorted the cheques. Values were between $5 and $100.000. Donors often dropped their envelopes filled with money at the door. Before Christmas the flow of donations was often totally out of control. The postman brought sackfuls of letters -- cheques for $50000 were no rarity." Sister Virgin remebers that one year there was about $50 million in a New York bank account. $50 million in one year! -- in a predominantly non-Catholic country. How much then, were they collecting in Europe or the world? It is estimated that worldwide they collected at least $100 million per year -- and that has been going on for many many years.

I think another individual Hemley Gonzalez (mentioned earlier by another anon) has also done some work in this regard

[Anonymous No.12009042]

>>12009028
Her charity had millions of dollars and still reused needles

[Anonymous No.12009044]

>>12007996
>It seems like he was complains that she was letting people die with dignity
There was no dignity in how they died.

[Anonymous No.12009047]

>>12009042
So, the source is some office gossip a few continents away?

[Anonymous No.12009052]

>>12009042
So did the sovjets and post-communist hospitals in poland as late as the new millenium. That's comon practice in poor fuck countries, no matter how much money there is fowing around.

[Anonymous No.12009061]

>>12009047
The source is Susan shields a woman who worked in that shitty """""charity""""" for NINE YEARS

[Anonymous No.12009062]

>>12009042
And technically it's safe if you sterilize it with the other stainless steel utensils with the only downside beeing it getting dull and causing pretty bad bruises and pain.

[Anonymous No.12009070]

>>12009061
So office gossip from a few continents away?

[Anonymous No.12009072]

>>12009062
Stop talking

[Anonymous No.12009076]

reminder that this book wouldn’t pass peer review

[Anonymous No.12009080]

>>12009052
That's not an excuse. That's even more evidence that the charity was shit.

[Anonymous No.12009084]

>>12009072
Am I hurting your argument by showing that shit like that was and partly stil is common practice as near as right across the border? Shit like that has nothing to do with some organization and much more with a shitty healthcare system and people in power to change it getting a nice salary on the side. Why do you think the indian goverment doesn't want to disclose it? Same shit as with the warlords and charities in africa.

[Anonymous No.12009087]

>>12009080
It's a far bigger problem than a single charity - although I don't believe in such global charities in the first place.

[Anonymous No.12009089]

>>12009062
They were cleaning it with cold water. Stop making excuses, she had enough dough to buy all the needles she needed.

>>12009070
Its not office gossip faggot, they did this sort of stupid shit everywhere since that bitch was nuts. pic related. Kys

[Anonymous No.12009092]

>>12008988
>Hindus even today simply lie down on the street and wait till they die when they sense their death near
you don't half talk some bollocks anon

[Anonymous No.12009093]

Raise a glass for Hitch still btfoing catolicucks

[Anonymous No.12009102]

>>12009089
Take a look at this christcucks, 1st hand account from a woman who worked in that cancerous charity. They had purchased a building, had people draw up plans, and nigger theresa, the head honcho herself, refused to have a fucking elevator for the handicaps. The city offered to pay for it too and they still refused; this is what she is. Suck my dick christcucks.

[Anonymous No.12009103]

>>12009089
>They were cleaning it with cold water
Well, I guess the average nun isn't exactly well educated in india. So it boils down to beeing stupid and the word of a single woman.

>she had enough dough to buy all the needles she needed.
It's not about not having the needles, it'S about stupid doing stupid stuff. Even in western europe most nurses in private doctors offices will reuse their gloves from patient to patient today. made physicians will only clean their coat once a week working in the hospital with MRGNs around.

Those are not excuses, just explanations why your war against one retarded charity is useless.

[Anonymous No.12009108]

>>12009087
>MT's charity had facilities and practices like the Soviets
>But somehow they were still a force for good

Can you see the problem with this? You can't claim they are both at the same time. Soviet hospitals probably killed more people than saved at certain points in history.

[Anonymous No.12009109]

>>12009103
Where did all that money go? Obviously not in the hospitals.

[Anonymous No.12009126]

>>12009108
Getting hepatitis and a bruise around half your arm obviously was a better choise for those going there than not going there, ven tho neither provided peak performance.

>Soviet hospitals probably killed more people than saved at certain points in history
Wouldn't go that far, but people only have goe there if there REALLY had to, meaning practically walking in there with their head under their arms at which point they could only help or let nature take its course.

[Anonymous No.12009129]

>>12009109
If the goverment doesn't want to show it you can be sure that its employees good an extra salary through it, as ist always the case with such charities.

[Anonymous No.12009145]

>>12009126

I'm willing to bet there were times when they did more harm than good. But it's hard to know. They were so corrupt that I imagine they let some pretty bad things go on in those hospitals, probably in select cases, on purpose. I don't really have any evidence for this, I can't be bothered looking for some, but from what I know, they were really that bad.

[Anonymous No.12009152]

>>12009145
Yeah, I know of many politically "unconforming" individuals, as well as foreigners having been left to die, even children. Such is the mentality of communism on "useless eaters". But I would say they killed the most through other means, as hospitals weren't that much of a thing to begin with. You only would go there if your life depended on it.

If they would have wanted to experiment and stuff like that, they would simply take a couple people right from the street instead of botheing with afflicted in the hospitals. Communist see your life only as a good to be used, either through forced work or as replacement parts.

[Anonymous No.12009168]

>>12008092
>Calcutta isn't your regular third world shit hole.
Um

[Anonymous No.12009173]

>>12009168
Are you being intellectually lazy on purpose?
That's just one image of one area. Every big city anywhere on this planet have bad neighborhoods, dumpsters, ghettos and what not, especially old cities.

[Anonymous No.12009178]

>>12009168
>implying that's not a suburb of paris

[Anonymous No.12009187]

>tfw overcame edgy teenage hitchens phase by embracing orthodoxy
>can still enjoy him btfoing degenerate catholic pedocucks

[Anonymous No.12009195]

>>12009187
Wouldn't throw around stones in a glasshouse.

[Anonymous No.12009202]

>>12009103
>So it boils down to beeing stupid and the word of a single woman.
No it doesn't it's the word of a woman who worked in multiple centres, NY, SF and worked for 9 years, in addition to that as recently as 2016 the same thing has been reported

>https://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/hemley-gonzalez-the-truth-about-mother-teresa
>https://www.salon.com/2016/01/03/the_wests_big_lie_about_mother_teresa_her_glorification_of_suffering_instead_of_relieving_it_has_had_little_impact_on_her_glowing_reputation/
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKCZVN9doMg

I'm wasting my time with you christcucks, you'll dismiss anything I say.
>Little timmy says father Henry fisted him in the ass with the wide end of the cross
>Ah so it boils down to the word of 1 child
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.12009218]

>>12009202
>No it doesn't
Well, it obviously does, desu. Even if it's true, which I doubt on such little prove (you wouldn't eithe if you wouldn't want it to be true), the blame is mostly to be placed on shitholes and how they exploide charities. This is absolutely nothing unique to that of MT.

>I'm wasting my time with you christcucks, you'll dismiss anything I say.
Well, I'm an atheist. I'm obviously simple better read into history than someone autistically trying to blame some indian cunt due to uncle hitch telling hhim, that she's bad.

>>Little timmy says father Henry fisted him in the ass with the wide end of the cross
>Ah so it boils down to the word of 1 child
Kill yourself.
Nice strawman and inability to understand context. Take your own recommendation to heart.

[Anonymous No.12009250]

>>12009218
>Even if it's true, which I doubt on such little prove
There we go, delusional nut, it doesn't matter that a guy has first hand proof, the woman who worked there also corroborates it, and a reporter who visited the place says the same, but you'll never believe it, you so desperately your religion to be true but it will never be since God isn't real and Jesus is a fraud.

First hand account
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKCZVN9doMg

See pic - A reporter who visited that place states how they would write down prescriptions with a fucking pencil and then erase the shit and reuse the paper

>Well, I'm an atheist. I'm obviously simple better read into history than someone autistically trying to blame some indian cunt due to uncle hitch telling hhim, that she's bad.
Sure you are.

[Anonymous No.12009278]

>>12009250
>but you'll never believe it, you so desperately your religion to be true but it will never be since God isn't real and Jesus is a fraud.
Again, as you seem to be even more illiterate than I thought - maybe even analphabetical, I'm not a theist. There is more historical crossreferance to prove the existance of jesus than to your claims, and yet I can't see you believing an abrahamic religion.

And again, it doesn't matter because everything in there has been the case in every poorfuck shithole. You are trying to make it something unique about christianity, which it isn't.

>Sure you are.
Do I have to picture my Hitchens, Dawkins and Sagan shelves? I've read more on the topic than you could grasp, so keep your mouth shut till you know what you are actually talking about.

[Anonymous No.12009309]

>>12009278
> to prove the existance of jesus
I said he's a fraud and that God isn't real you pseudo intellectual retard.
>you seem to be even more illiterate than I thought - maybe even analphabetical
Oh the irony

[Anonymous No.12009317]

>>12009309
>intellectual retard
Oh the irony indeed.

[Anonymous No.12009350]

>tfw people used to pretend to be Christian because they were annoyed by the internet behavior of their fellow atheists
>tfw we've gone full circle and now people pretend to be cringy 2008-era internet atheists to annoy autists that breadpost 24/7
books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.12009484]

The Indians have some weird inferiority complex which manifests as hatred for Teresa who represents the west.

[Anonymous No.12009505]

>>12009484
The bitch's charity did this in NY you fuckhead >>12009250

[Anonymous No.12009513]

>>12009505
And this is relevant to India and Teresa how?

[Anonymous No.12009564]

>>12009102
of course a NEET doesn’t know how office gossip works

[Anonymous No.12009570]

>>12009309
Dude, don’t call people retards while being incapable of stringing a cogent sentence together.

[Anonymous No.12009578]

Indians are some of the most ungrateful people in the world

[Anonymous No.12009848]

>>12009309
>oh the irony
Indeed

[Anonymous No.12010050]

>>12009570
you probably meant coherent rather than cogent
a cogent sentence probably has to be coherent
a coherent sentence doesn't have to be cogent
also, otheranon's sentence was coherent. you are a retard and probably a homosexual

[Anonymous No.12010143]

>tfw years later people still cite Hitchens, a known hypocrite and fraud, like he's any sort of authority figure

Didn't you people all get BTFO by his cheerleading for the Iraq War?

[Anonymous No.12010896]

>>12010143
Facts don't matter when somebody has the right enemies.

[Anonymous No.12011026]

>>12007831
rent free etc

[Anonymous No.12011027]

>>12011026
Hell is the epitome of needful obligations coming upon you. Imagine something like rent 24/7 impending on you in your brain as your flesh is being tortured

[Anonymous No.12011073]

>>12011027
>flesh
>in the afterlife
what a meme religion

[Anonymous No.12011213]

>>12007996
He was an absolutely typical champagne socialist, except he slowly turned into a neocon towards the end of his life. Completely worthless "intellectual."

[Anonymous No.12011227]

>>12008701
not gonna pray for your soul like the other kind lad but i am gonna pray the image you just posted is ironic, because that's the most reddit tier shit i've ever seen if it's not

[Anonymous No.12011894]

>>12007831
>>12007851
>>12008379
The funny thing is most christians are hardly worthy of going to heaven, especially the people who visit this place and have the gall to call themselves christian.

[Anonymous No.12011929]

>>12011894
Why shouldn't Christians come here?

[Anonymous No.12011957]

>>12011929
i just doubt most people who visit here are capable of being good, or even following all the rules like not jerking your meat.

[Anonymous No.12011964]

>>12007917
>wants to not be with God
>must mean he wants to be tortured beyond any pain he could comprehend while alive forever
That seems like a rational idea a person who developed healthily would come up with

[Anonymous No.12012029]

>>12011957
That's utterly irrational

[Anonymous No.12012258]

>>12011957
>>12011894
>The funny thing is most christians are hardly worthy of going to heaven

All Christians are unworthy anon, we all are sinners that's why God's gift of grace is to be cherished.

[Anonymous No.12012568]

>>12007831
That’s a

B&R
&&&
R&B

from me!

[Anonymous No.12013269]

>>12011957
Browsing /lit/, /his/ and /out/ is hardly preventing people from a virtuous life, just a question of self-control. You shouldn't project your inability and deviant desires onto others.

[Anonymous No.12013338]

>>12009250
>your religion to be true
No religion requires Theresa to be without flaw. If the allegations are true the sainthood was given to please naive westerners - such as feminists and atheists.

Anything post Vatican-II smells.

[Anonymous No.12013609]

>>12011957
stop projecting your own inability to control your impulses onto others

[Anonymous No.12014246]

>>12007831
FPBP. The amount of salt from fedorafags ITT is amazing

[Anonymous No.12015043]

>>12011964
>he wants to be tortured beyond any pain he could comprehend while alive forever

I think Hell is descriptive, not prescriptive. He could very well be trudging trough the same recursive day whose obnoxious austerity is only broken by catatonic ghosts drooling all over themselves. Not a mockery, but an earnest realization of his thinking.