What has the west forgotten?

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Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:00:30 2018 No.12006870 [Reply] [Original]

What has the west forgotten?

>>	captain kirche !!roAuBjt8bxE Mon Oct 29 21:03:14 2018 No.12006883 that God exists and He loves us

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:04:02 2018 No.12006886 >>12006870 That masturbation and sexual excesses are harmful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:04:07 2018 No.12006887 Your nation is supposed to exist for the benefit of its citizens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:11:29 2018 No.12006918 >>12006887 Spot on

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:12:34 2018 No.12006922 >>12006870 most of what pol complains about. if i had to narrow it down to two things it would be replacing monarchy with democracy, and emancipating women

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:13:11 2018 No.12006924 That men and women are fundamentally different from each other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:13:28 2018 No.12006928 >>12006883 >>12006887 This Also, Males and Females have different social roles

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:14:55 2018 No.12006932 >this thread burn this board and whole site to the ground.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:15:11 2018 No.12006936 >>12006870 That too much consumption of anything, whether food or pop-information, is a bad thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:15:45 2018 No.12006938 >>12006932 you could just leave too, think about. You would be happier, we would be happier, it's a win-win

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:18:40 2018 No.12006952 >>12006932 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:19:54 2018 No.12006956 Self determination.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:21:53 2018 No.12006966 File: 6 KB, 215x235, 1533408435982.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006932

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:34:37 2018 No.12007043 >>12006883 This. Every other ailment the west suffers stems from this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:50:43 2018 No.12007133 >>12006883 What is God?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:52:08 2018 No.12007141 Civility. Rational public discourse. Fact based political decision making. Speaking mainly of the US of course.

>>	captain kirche !!roAuBjt8bxE Mon Oct 29 21:52:54 2018 No.12007142 >>12007133 God is the fact that human beings are possessed of an aspect of eternity

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:53:08 2018 No.12007143 Black people smell.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:53:10 2018 No.12007144 >>12007133 Three letters

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:56:43 2018 No.12007160 >>12007133 >>12006883 Everyone believes in the prime mover though A man in the sky however? yeah gonna be a yikes from me

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:56:56 2018 No.12007163 File: 51 KB, 316x500, 15134762574257.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006870 Who is this nigger always watermarking quotes with his dumb twitter name? Pic related is what we forgot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:57:42 2018 No.12007166 >>12006932 These are standard takes up until this century anon so just know you're the abberation

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 21:58:44 2018 No.12007172 >>12007163 It’s a way of saying he/she was here and thought themselves intellegent for sharing a glimmering fragment of history with the NPC masses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 22:01:28 2018 No.12007183 >>12006922 Hat

captain kirche !!roAuBjt8bxE Mon Oct 29 22:05:59 2018 No.12007202

>>12007160
"man in the sky" is everyone's immature conception of God. It is how they are taught as a child, because it is the easiest analog for what God is. What is lost in the analogy, or rather what is misplaced about it, is that God is far greater in scope than what is conceivable for a human, so what is "unreachable" becomes the "sky" and it is obvious to anyone that God represents a creator, and that is where the "man" component comes from, and those two are reduced to "the man in the sky". Not many people surpass this conception taught them in their childhood.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 22:08:48 2018 No.12007216 >>12007202 yeah so the prime mover, all knowing and creator of everything Just not the christian or insert religion here god

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 22:10:53 2018 No.12007225 newfag to lit here, the god and christianity stuff is a meme, r-right g-guys?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 22:11:16 2018 No.12007228 >>12007202 Thank you, great post. The first sentence is pretty much what I was thinming when I read the post you responded to

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 22:22:17 2018 No.12007271 >>12007225 /lit/ has been a Catholic board for about five years now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 22:40:07 2018 No.12007363 File: 140 KB, 673x390, 1540762250472.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12007271 Your thoughts?

>>	The Nomad !/mYVm0/OOg Mon Oct 29 23:08:45 2018 No.12007501 >>12006883 Based and Godpilled

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 23:26:18 2018 No.12007586 >>12006870 @WrathOfIncel pics are so fucking cringy. I bet you're a fucking retarded american polddit autist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 23:27:20 2018 No.12007591 >>12006870 Chesterton didn't bathe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 23:30:02 2018 No.12007599 File: 38 KB, 1000x1000, U12a1g6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12007363 Like all enemies of the Church, Hitler was, ultimately, destroyed and brought to ruin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 00:38:37 2018 No.12007846 >>12006870 tRAPS are gay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 00:39:24 2018 No.12007855 >>12007846 This, do people not realize that Plato's Republic is about the Male Form?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 00:42:06 2018 No.12007863 2nd law of thermodynamics and limits to growth

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 00:44:09 2018 No.12007874 >>12006883 Based and breadpilled.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 00:44:36 2018 No.12007876 >>12006870 cool that you couldn’t post an image of chesterton because he’s a fat effeminate pseud and would repulse people >>12006883 god is not real, you are alone

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 00:46:25 2018 No.12007881 >>12007599 brought to ruin by a bunch of godless tartars

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 00:46:42 2018 No.12007884 >>12007876 You sound like a person with a lot of friends and family who love you and enjoy your company

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 00:51:37 2018 No.12007904 >>12006887 It's just basic common sense, really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 01:07:28 2018 No.12007958 >>12007599 But Napoleon won in the end anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 01:08:13 2018 No.12007961 >>12007958 Doesn't that really depend on what you mean by "in the end"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 01:28:34 2018 No.12008015 >>12006887 >>12006883 >>12006928 these, unironically

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 01:30:16 2018 No.12008022 File: 43 KB, 850x400, tacitusj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006870 It's always been humanity vs the jews.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 01:41:54 2018 No.12008055 >>12007216 Are you really making a point though?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 02:04:17 2018 No.12008112 true humanity comes from learning to properly eat ass.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 02:04:25 2018 No.12008113 [DELETED]

>>12006870
1. There are two genders, male and female, and only two genders.
2. Men have strengths women do not, and vice-versa. This is okay.
3. A pregnant woman is carrying a child.
4. Children, even infants in the womb, are alive.
5. Murder or infants is wrong.
6. You have to prioritize the well-being of your countrymen - all of them - over the well-being of men from other nations.
7. You will not have a stable culture with consistently high immigration rates.
8. Integrity, or strength of character, is more important than every other human quality.
9. You need to take good care of things you own.
10. A preoccupation with sensual pleasures is shallow and destructive.

There are so many things we have forgotten or are in the process of forgetting, I could keep going for hours probably.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 02:06:18 2018 No.12008124 >>12008022 >comes from a nation which stampeded its way across most of the world at the time

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 02:27:17 2018 No.12008181 File: 142 KB, 1833x1242, 1531192697265.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006883 >>12006886 >>12006887 >>12006924 >>12006928 These. Also, that the family is the bed-rock of society

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 03:31:51 2018 No.12008382 >>12006870 Force is necessary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 03:45:46 2018 No.12008421 >>12006936 Or too many books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 03:50:23 2018 No.12008433 File: 98 KB, 666x750, 859FE3DF-A890-41F2-AF6B-9ED2F3A1279E.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006870 That living cultures protect themselves from harm and degradation by external forces.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 03:55:01 2018 No.12008439
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>>12006870
The all powerful glory and wisdom of the earth in her subtle knowledges, the purity and healing properties of unspoiled land, and the fundamental cleansing, healing, purifying power of nature on the souls of men. Few living human beings understand the perfect stillness of massive silent things, and what it is they have to say. We no longer hear the gentle breathing of mesas or the pattering feet of commuting stars. We have disposed of our ability to value emptiness.

We are blind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 03:56:38 2018 No.12008442 >>12007202 >"man in the sky" is everyone's immature conception of God. Fool. I always conceived of God as omnipresent, even as a young child.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 03:56:43 2018 No.12008443 >>12006870 nothing, bad morals aren't the true cause of a civilization's decline, shit genetics and low IQ are.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 04:27:55 2018 No.12008508

>>12006870
>>12006887
And also the original meaning of nation itself:
>nation (n.)
>c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 04:31:14 2018 No.12008512 >>12007961 In the end it doesn't even matter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 04:46:39 2018 No.12008530 Politics and politicians won't save you The state has no business in a lot of aspects in life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 04:58:42 2018 No.12008545 >>12006870 Isn't it obvious?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 05:00:49 2018 No.12008552 >>12006870 How to suffer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 05:04:19 2018 No.12008561 File: 175 KB, 1960x1300, zarathustra-motivator0b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006870 That people are not equal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:14:01 2018 No.12008751 >>12007216 What on earth is your point here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:23:55 2018 No.12008768 File: 23 KB, 346x254, chesterton.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Basics of hygiene and dental care, and reasonable diet as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:27:59 2018 No.12008781 >>12008442 Serious talk, were you raised Buddhist?

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:33:14 2018 No.12008807

>>12006886
This has definitely got to be up there. People are completely in denial about the effects of a population watching hardcore pornography everyday. I'm not sure why literally nobody on the left* views this as a problem, given the obvious objectification and commodification of women. And even on the right, anti-pornography is limited to religious conservatives (who are an irrelevant minority in every western country that isn't the United States).

At least with other modern indulgences like smart phones, everyone on the internet, etc. people are willing to admit there are negative consequences and dream up solutions, even if they'll never put them into practice.

* Yes I know that anti-pornography feminists exist, but nobody knows or cares about them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:38:33 2018 No.12008818 >>12006887 >Your nation is supposed to exist for the benefit of its citizens. That has never been true literally ever, i've only heard this inanity on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:40:17 2018 No.12008825 File: 287 KB, 900x1289, 1540733099613.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006870 That capitalism is a relatively new phenomena and that greed is a bad way of running society in the long term.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:40:51 2018 No.12008828 >>12008751 Think he is argue that the idea of Divine-as-Consciounesss ike in Buddhism is more important and complex than God.-as-Father or God-as- Lawgiver like in Abrahamic religions

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:42:52 2018 No.12008835

>>12008807
>I'm not sure why literally nobody on the left* views this as a problem, given the obvious objectification and commodification of women.
congrats on outing yourself as someone who doesn't expose themselves to the very people they criticise. Leftists have talked hardcore about the commodification of sex through porn since the 1960's. How have you missed this? The whole commodification argument of human things is one of their main arguments.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:45:09 2018 No.12008849

>>12006870
The horrors of fascism and nazism. The problem is that people also were extremely racist, homotransfobic and anti-jews even the ones that called themselves anti-nazi, so, the ideology wasn't about no prejudice, was about going anti-nazi when they were the same. The war was about economy not ethic.
When the nazis were apparently gone (in economy) the "problem" also was gone, living behind the hypocrisy of hating nazis and also being anti-semitic.

We have a lot of hypocrites in literature, for exemple, the bad writter Lovecraft and tons of others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:46:46 2018 No.12008855 >>12006870 That virtue requires effort and very few people actually ever give that level of effort (you, the reader, are not one of them and neither am I). You aren't righteous just because you're not actively doing evil.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:46:48 2018 No.12008856 >>12007143 White ppl smell like rotten greek yogurt

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:48:32 2018 No.12008860 >>12008835 Yeah the whole 'the left is the side that always wants debauchery' meme is getting old.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 06:52:36 2018 No.12008869 File: 594 KB, 592x597, 1539346123721.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12008855 >You aren't righteous just because you're not actively doing evil. Great quote. More people need to hear this 2bh

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 08:23:00 2018 No.12009130 >>12008818 >That has never been true literally ever, i've only heard this inanity on 4chan Maybe you should start high school before you post on this board sweetie, this forum is for adults and adolescents.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 08:27:26 2018 No.12009142 how to love how to laugh how to live

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 08:42:44 2018 No.12009169 >>12007133 Who am I? >>12007363 Source on that quote? >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ju1w-iDR0o There's very little we can even know about him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 08:47:55 2018 No.12009184 File: 60 KB, 543x348, inter02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12008433 >be British >making money literally involves collecting pictures of her Majesty >mfw

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 08:57:45 2018 No.12009205
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>>12006870
>What has the west forgotten?
That we are being restrained by the idea of 'Western-ness'. The West has gone through many metamorphoses as various ideologies wax and wane and should continue to do so naturally.
Only now have we been forced to make our culture frigid and stagnant through our belief that blind adherence to a poorly-mythologized past without a real understanding of it is the only way to preserve our current way of life.

Don't concern yourself with the West, concern yourself with what is right. Embrace tradition without being a parasite upon it. Revive the spirit of your ancestors by looking to the future as they did, not by remaining fixed upon the past as we are now.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:05:32 2018 No.12009223

>>12008835
>Leftists have talked hardcore about the commodification of sex through porn since the 1960's. How have you missed this? The whole commodification argument of human things is one of their main arguments.
let's be honest the people you are referring to are a tiny minority, the majority of leftists were highly in favor of the sexual revolution and they are the ones pushing sexual excess still to this day

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:18:14 2018 No.12009264 >>12009223 >the majority This matters only if they stampede, and even then it cannot be autonomous, so the minority of users, cattle-thieves and natural disasters are and will forever remain more influential.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:19:18 2018 No.12009272 >>12008860 >Accelerationism is old >I want something new and more debauched

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:23:55 2018 No.12009289 Being hysterical about politics will only lead us to another World War

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:25:34 2018 No.12009296 >>12006870 Women should not be in power. t. german

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:36:05 2018 No.12009341 File: 328 KB, 655x1000, 1539061060058.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12008856 Sup muh niggah

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:38:07 2018 No.12009348 >>12009296 I love german femdom I wish I was born to a german mother who abused me and my underdeveloped balls while feeling no empathy whatsoever

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:39:52 2018 No.12009364 >>12006870 >What has the west forgotten? To expell and cleanse the Jew

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:43:43 2018 No.12009383 >>12007958 Napoleon made france religious again by makeing Catholicism the state religion of france after the french revolution.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 10:43:14 2018 No.12009568
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A country's enemies, for the sake of that country's longevity, must be located outside its borders. Proximity of peoples from each other is the first item to be accounted for at the start of war, since it is precisely then when new borders are drawn over enemy lines. A society is always preparing for war, with or without being aware of this. If it ignores its duties before the starting shot sounds, it will perish at the end of an enemy who did not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 10:43:47 2018 No.12009569 File: 578 KB, 481x726, 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006870

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 11:33:32 2018 No.12009746 File: 52 KB, 960x720, Sexual Predator on the loose.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12009348 >German Women What the fuck was their problem?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 13:33:36 2018 No.12010214 File: 1.90 MB, 800x450, Hera.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12009746 >What the fuck was their problem? Nothing, they are perfection.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 14:13:22 2018 No.12010419

>>12007202
Could God be described as a creative and destructive force with sentience whose actions carry intelligent thought? I want to understand what God truly is, and even if I don't get it entirely right, I want to move past the most typical misconceptions. Asking this as an agnostic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 14:14:27 2018 No.12010424 >>12008124 It was all self defense.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 14:16:37 2018 No.12010435
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we forgot the "civil" half of "civilization." we only live in an "ization" where the prefix is whatever you want it to be. the nothingness of freedom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 14:17:50 2018 No.12010441 People are different and should have different amounts of political power.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 14:20:32 2018 No.12010459 Yeah, the sun orbiting around the earth, the adaquecy of Newtonian mechanics, and the intellegent design of life used to be so obvious, things have really decayed sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 14:37:53 2018 No.12010541 >>12008825 >>12010441 >>12008530 >>12008382 These. Also, those who have different cultures prefer to remain within their cultural boundaries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 14:39:17 2018 No.12010547 >>12006870 The meaning of the word Flippancy and why it should be avoided.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 14:58:38 2018 No.12010611 >>12006870 Not the West but I've forgotten how pussy tastes like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 15:02:40 2018 No.12010619 >>12010611 Hey actual West here I forgot that too

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 15:06:49 2018 No.12010632 >>12010619 It's a sad feeling. Never thought the tongue was able to bring out that kind of loneliness but here we are. Wish you luck, West.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 15:26:46 2018 No.12010689 >>12006870 Who defines a "high society" this is such a fucking stupid statement. It's just made for the people that always whine about their times and how everything was better before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 15:27:49 2018 No.12010695 >>12006932 You're right. It's hilariously dumb. the entire statement means nothing and tries to be deep by saying nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 15:30:18 2018 No.12010704 File: 76 KB, 1280x720, beter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006870 how to clean their room

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 15:31:32 2018 No.12010708 >>12008849 How is Lovecraft a hypocrite?

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 15:41:27 2018 No.12010742
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>>12006870
I thought it was impossible for /lit/ to get worse but here we are. All you depressive (not actually diagnosed with depression, or any disorders) 16-23 year olds have become obsessed with preserving something which never existed. "The West". It's so fucking meaningless. Talk about your country, only you'd hate to actually become informed on your country. That would mean you'd have to participate, and no /pol/ isn't participation. No, just keep clutching your Bibles and hoping things will become epic like they were during the crusades. Keep wishing to be completely subjugated you fucking rats. Say to yourself the west is the best the west is the best well it used to be the best now it's like the rest. What a nice fucking excuse. Keep posting Ted threads without even skimming his Wikipedia page. Keep clinging to your infantile idealization of history, culture and ethics. You're on a fucking literature board, read some fucking books. Don't finish it and come make a shitty thread here. Read supplemental material and actually think about what you read. I swear to God you retards are so unthinking you get converted by the Wikipedia summary to The Brothers Karamazov.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 15:56:00 2018 No.12010790 >>12010742 sorry used the wrong picture

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 15:58:52 2018 No.12010804 File: 531 KB, 808x805, (you).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12010704

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:04:54 2018 No.12010829 >>12010742 How do I get a woman to eat my ass?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:08:01 2018 No.12010837 That rights come from duty

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:09:10 2018 No.12010844 >>12006886 Is thinking that sexual sublimation is key to success just an incel cope? Tesla and Kant were nofappers

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:15:33 2018 No.12010867 >>12010742 Imagine getting mad at 4chan

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:16:27 2018 No.12010875 >>12010742 no

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:18:40 2018 No.12010885 >>12008856 You won't have to suffer our presence or society much longer, my melanated friend. You're going to finally get that chance to make Wakanda real. FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST! Really gonna miss you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:21:29 2018 No.12010900 >>12006922 ah yes, the west should be more like those based saudis

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:25:19 2018 No.12010913 >>12007225 it started as a meme, but just like stormfaggots and pol, the autistic christcucks rolled in and ruined the board

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:25:21 2018 No.12010914 >tfw industrial society will collapse soon and there aren’t enough easily accesible resources to boot it up a second time PERMANENT MEDIEVAL

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:35:05 2018 No.12010965 >>12010742 lovely new pasta

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:38:50 2018 No.12010979 >>12010914 I'd prefer it if we went in the direction of a late 18th century early 19th century.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 16:51:15 2018 No.12011030 >>12010742 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 18:40:32 2018 No.12011485 >>12008751 >I am NOT getting up early on a sunday MOM, and I WILL keep MASTURBATING!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 18:52:16 2018 No.12011544 >>12006883 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 19:00:09 2018 No.12011562 That women should be treated as property.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 19:04:02 2018 No.12011580
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>>12010979
Anything pre-industrial is still an option probably but it will take a long time. Of course this time we will have tremendous leftover stuff from the industrial era even though we may never produce such things again.

We'll be living the illiterary lifestyle and playing tribalism and feudalism with leftover AK's for a while.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 20:47:43 2018 No.12012041 >>12006932 Kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 20:58:09 2018 No.12012090 >>12009205 Couldn't agree more, the idea of the death of the west is only materialized by the continual attempt to represent the memory or what it was "the west" entering in a stale perpetual spiral

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:05:27 2018 No.12012133 >>12010742 K

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:05:45 2018 No.12012136 >>12009205 This, but also keep out all the immigrants.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:11:08 2018 No.12012162 >>12011580 Based AK47 animists

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:14:19 2018 No.12012180 >this thread Im glad /lit/ is this redpilled. 6 years ago, this board was leftist as fuck and would not entertain any of /pol/‘s grievances. Truly and unequivocally based and redpilled.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:16:16 2018 No.12012191 >>12012180 >I'm glad this board turned into an echo-chamber not saying it was good before, but fuck, you're just as retarded as they are

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:16:35 2018 No.12012194 >>12010844 You disproved your own inquiry with your last sentence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:18:35 2018 No.12012199 >>12012191 I wouldn't all it an echo-chamber I had a like 2 hour long conversation with a marxist communist yesterday that was fairly civil, and Im basically a nazi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:19:37 2018 No.12012203 >>12012199 >unironically a nazi please stay on /pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:23:34 2018 No.12012220 >>12012203 Im not from pol, this has been my home board since 2012. I dont like pol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:26:26 2018 No.12012233 >>12012194 But I'm sure that there are other examples of extremely lascivious geniuses. Newton died a virgin, but Mozart fucked often as far as i'm aware.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:27:18 2018 No.12012238 >>12012220 I'm curious then, why be one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:36:20 2018 No.12012272 >>12012238 Because I like being white, specifically the sort of white I am, and the media and academia keep telling me Im evil or something, so I would rather be a nazi than be part of their thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:37:50 2018 No.12012279 >>12010435 >filename ok this is epic

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:38:15 2018 No.12012283

>>12012272
rethink your stance, man. Seriously. I was with you on that first part of the statement, but what a leap it takes to go from that to nazism. There are ways to fight against evil, but that sure isn't one of them - you're replacing one cancer with another.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:42:54 2018 No.12012297

>>12012283
as far as i can tell simply being content with being white, not even saying 'were better than other races' but simply being ok with it, is functionally equivalent to being a nazi so what's the point?

i dont want to paint myself as some sort of victim of an oppressive society out to get me. That is emphatically not my point.

My point is just this- i am not going to associate with people hostile towards me, and that is it.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:55:30 2018 No.12012346

>>12012297
right, and my point is don't associate with a group of people that is equally as hostile against other groups of innocents - sure, you share a common enemy with them, but recall that nazis go a lot farther than opposing social justice movements. No reason to hate others.

>as far as i can tell simply being content with being white, not even saying 'were better than other races' but simply being ok with it, is functionally equivalent to being a nazi
who holds this view? your opposition? try denying it instead of accepting it

>i dont want to paint myself as some sort of victim of an oppressive society out to get me.
we aren't, people do that for purely instrumental reasons anyway. I fail to see how this motivates accepting radical right wing views.

>i am not going to associate with people hostile towards me, and that is it.
completely agree, but I again fail to see why you'd accept radical right wing views; have you considered opposing oppressive groups without joining other, equally oppressive groups? It is a more worthwhile way to promote your view

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:58:33 2018 No.12012361

>>12012297
I don't think you're a Nazi, not if you're calling yourself one just because you don't like SJW types. You consume too much media, man.
You can be okay with being white and not be a Nazi. You could even be okay with being white and be a social progressive or a communist.
You're buying way too much into the left-right binary meme.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:03:37 2018 No.12012386 >>12012361 Not the lad you're responding to but progressives and commies are actively hostile to white men and their interests.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:14:15 2018 No.12012424 >>12012361 >>12012386 yeah progressives can do that, but the guy still isn't a nazi, not by any stretch of the word. >>12012361 got it right he's literally reading too deep into the binary divide.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:15:57 2018 No.12012426

>>12012386
That's the thing. Some of them are, but the ideas themselves are not intrinsically anti-white. It's more that the ideas become tainted by association with other ideas that may be anti-white or anti-masculinity.
>white men and their interests
Beyond the desire to not be persecuted against, I don't know what these interests could be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:23:05 2018 No.12012442 >>12006870 honesty leads to accomplishing anything >>12006887 this too

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:26:35 2018 No.12012452

>>12012346
>>12012361
The thing is guys I have stopped caring if they call me a nazi or not. It just doesn't matter to me anymore. I consider them a completely alien people and what they say about me is irrelevant.

Im not going to try to justify myself as being just 'comfortable with my ethnciity but totally not a nazi i swear' because I dont give a shit anymore

There is no dialogue to be had. I am separating as much as I can and that's it

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:40:55 2018 No.12012500

>>12012426
>Some of them are, but the ideas themselves are not intrinsically anti-white.
They are in so far as they are egalitarian and lack racist and culturalist defense mechanisms against the deterioration of society.

>Beyond the desire to not be persecuted against, I don't know what these interests could be.
Not living in an ugly, smelly, chaotic, violent, corrupt, low intelligence society. So not being exposed to 'multiculturalism'. If you're from a white country you have almost nothing to gain from being forced to live along side with the type of populations that always make whatever society they are apart of worse off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:44:20 2018 No.12012508 >>12006870 >What has the west forgotten? That race mixing is against the spirits

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:45:19 2018 No.12012514 Don't eat the yellow snow

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:49:25 2018 No.12012524

>>12012452
you yourself identified as a nazi in your original comment, and that's a lot different from what you are saying now (that merely you do not care to deny the fact) - if you're not a nazi (and you really shouldn't be), then do the least you can and don't state otherwise - retards on this board will mistake you for a /pol/ brainlet

>>12012500
addressing your second comment, I think the idea of multiculturalism ought be restructured, far from a melting pot and more of a coexistence in (fairly clearly) distinct areas, though not enforced by any hard borders - Canada, from what I experienced of it - is not particularly resembling of your description, despite being quite multicultural (just avoid the hood areas, but then again go a bit up north and those hood areas are filled with white-supremacist crackheads)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:50:07 2018 No.12012526 The family, not the individual, is the basic unit of civilization. You are incomplete without a partner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:52:31 2018 No.12012535 File: 89 KB, 608x609, 16387335_1891260601094198_744946222334788681_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12012526 Roasties hate me and I hate them back.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:56:25 2018 No.12012549

>>12012535
You're worthless to a potential "soulmate" until you have your "soul, mate," and likewise the only point to self improvement is so that you can serve a more useful purpose to a potential mate. You just have to hope that there's someone out there who is putting in as much work as you are.

You wouldn't want to marry your debate partner; gender roles/norms exist but they're meant to be complimentary to one another rather than contradictory to one another. Stop looking for diamonds in a pile of gold.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:58:36 2018 No.12012565

>>12012500
>They are in so far as they are egalitarian and lack racist and culturalist defense mechanisms against the deterioration of society.
And you could argue the opposite, that conservatism lacks mechanisms that prevent the deterioration of society via inequality and oppression. (I'm not a leftist, by the way, I just know that these things tend to be nuanced).
>Not living in an ugly, smelly, chaotic, violent, corrupt, low intelligence society.
I would also like to know how you define 'deterioration' in this context and how race is relevant to this.
These are in everyone's interests. And half of these are just based on your personal biases. Should we deport people based on attractiveness and how nice they smell?
>So not being exposed to 'multiculturalism'.
I don't think you know what this word means. The culture you were born and raised in was a result of the syncretism between several different cultures.
>If you're from a white country you have almost nothing to gain from being forced to live alongside with the type of populations that always make whatever society they are apart of worse off.
They don't always make it worse. We know that the places many immigrants come from have been historically more prosperous than European civilizations, so it's not an inherent characteristic of the people.
Barring extremities like France and Sweden, most countries are fairly strict with immigration and try not to accept people they know will be a detriment to that nation's prosperity.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:00:56 2018 No.12012579

>>12012524
>retards on this board will mistake you for a /pol/ brainlet
why would I care, it's anonymous
they can call me a retard in one thread

in the next thread we can have a fruitful discussion about learning Latin or something. That's why I like this website

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:02:07 2018 No.12012586 >>12006870 how to love itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7aLPQEfrFE

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:04:22 2018 No.12012597

>>12012500
It's not that certain races ruin other races by associating with them, it's that at certain times certain groups of people work more or less well together. Separation is not necessarily a bad thing obviously, but that belief can become a bad thing when it is predicated on the belief that there are things intrinsically wrong with a group of people who are primarily or totally at fault. There are only ever race relations because race has no imminent reality. No essence of being white but white in virtue of not being all the other races. The same is true of all identity because exclusion is its sufficient condition

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:06:12 2018 No.12012604

>>12012426
>the ideas themselves are not intrinsically anti-white
>The free movement of 'labor'
>The free movement of 'refugees' (fuck borders and fences and shit)
>Job quotas
>University quotas
>>12006870
That communists should be shot.

>>12012524
Chink detected.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:06:49 2018 No.12012607

>>12012524
>addressing your second comment, I think the idea of multiculturalism ought be restructured, far from a melting pot and more of a coexistence in (fairly clearly) distinct areas, though not enforced by any hard borders
If you don't have hard borders the trash just comes walking in and ruins things. Even if you do have hard borders they tend to be pretty good at it.

>Canada, from what I experienced of it - is not particularly resembling of your description, despite being quite multicultural (just avoid the hood areas, but then again go a bit up north and those hood areas are filled with white-supremacist crackheads)
Having no-go areas to be avoided already qualifies your society as overly ugly, smelly, chaotic and violent. Canada also has a <100 average iq. As the immigrants gain in number and influence you can expect that to drop further and for corruption to increase as well as the other things mentioned.

Of course Canada is still a relatively tolerable place for a multicultural society but things are just beginning for you guys.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:13:17 2018 No.12012637

>>12012597
That's all nice sophistry but Somalians, for example, are barely sentient retards who make every place they go worse by any standard. Any place in the world is improved by decreasing the amount of Somalians and any place in the world is made worse by increasing the amount of Somalians.

There is no excuse for Somalians. Letting them live somewhere is always at the expense of the other people who live there. Your notion that there are no intrinsically wrong things with groups is way more dangerous than the opposite belief because it allows for Somalians to make places worse.

Racism may have ugly sides but in the long run it is way less destructive than its opposite.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:21:44 2018 No.12012668

All you losers should fuck off.

Things have never been better.

If you have nothing better to do than crying about the state of the societies keeping your miserable asses alive and with enough spare time to contemplate how miserable your lives are, you need to get out more.

If you are too fat and ugly to interact with 'normies' get /fit/

If you are too weak and dumb to do anything with your lives when you have everything fucking handed to you on a silver plate, you can even go to a fucking doctor and get pills that will make even you feel less miserable.

Or just kys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:22:26 2018 No.12012674 >>12012637 I mean I had some Somali bros in highschool. Granted their country is a dumpster fire and they imported that into the neighborhood they ruined in my city, but it's not like theyre universally subhuman or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:25:28 2018 No.12012692 >>12012674 Somalis and Ethiopians absolutely ruined my city.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:26:33 2018 No.12012695 >>12012637 >barely sentient retards I commend you for your lack of emotional involvement in this controversial topic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:27:12 2018 No.12012699 >>12012668 >things have never been better >if you have time to think you need to get distracted so you do not think >or just use psychiatric medication to get through the day the absolute state of pinkerists

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:29:34 2018 No.12012705 >>12012695 The average Somali IQ is 68, anon. That's actual mental disability by European standards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:31:36 2018 No.12012708 >>12012692 What city has both those groups i honestly cant think of one

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:32:38 2018 No.12012710 >>12012708 >t. data miner

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:33:54 2018 No.12012714 >>12012710 i cant though. Minneapolis has Somalis, DC has ethiopians, where has both of them

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:34:43 2018 No.12012719 >>12012668 NPC. >>12012695 M'sir, I think Reddit more to your liking.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:35:07 2018 No.12012720

>>12012705
Because most Somalians are uneducated and underfed. European IQ two hundred years ago would've been humiliating too.
Low IQ immigrants have higher IQ children, who have even higher IQ children and so on until they match the native levels of IQ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:36:29 2018 No.12012722 >>12012720 >Low IQ immigrants have higher IQ children, who have even higher IQ children and so on until they match the native levels of IQ. to be this naive again

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:39:43 2018 No.12012733 >>12012722 >calling others naive >subscribe to the theory that you were blessed by jesus to be smarter than all brown people forever and ever

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:44:09 2018 No.12012752 >>12012733 m8 you know very well that is not my position. overlapping bell curves and whatnot Jesus had nothing to do with it, it was just evolutionary pressures

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:49:31 2018 No.12012772 >>12007876 I like how you criticize his body and not his mind. Shows how much your mind is worth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:53:14 2018 No.12012784 >>12007225 Miter tippers are really only concentrated in threads that appeal to their sensibilities, like this one. Actual literature threads see them rately.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:56:31 2018 No.12012797 >>12010214 I felt that :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 23:57:27 2018 No.12012802 >>12012526 This. Capitalism has turned the family into a self-sustaining unit meant only to create capital.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:00:23 2018 No.12012820 >>12006887 Has this literally ever been the case?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:14:06 2018 No.12012843 >>12012752 You should know that 1) Nurture is also a factor. It's not 100% nature. 2) Evolution is an ongoing process. Whites can evolve to be dumb just as blacks can evolve to be smart. It all depends on what the environment encourages.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:15:12 2018 No.12012846

>>12012720
Even if that were true, which it’s not, the cultural tensions alone would be enough multiculturalism.

There is also an aesthetic argument to be made that just the mere visual presence of Somali diminishes society. They are outuglied only by the Aboriginal Australians.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:18:44 2018 No.12012858 >>12012843 i know these things lad. epigenetics are also a factor(not for iq but for behavior). let's not have this discussion tbqh i dont mean that in an 'im right and ur wong' way, let's honestly just not have it

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:23:32 2018 No.12012872 >>12006886 Unironically this

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:25:07 2018 No.12012883

>>12012846
>which it's not
Look up the Flynn Effect.
>cultural tensions
As long as you're not importing radical Muslims or actual stone-age folk, the tensions are minor and easily sorted through. Half of the whites in America had the same 'much incompatible culture' or 'dey brains can't handle the Anglo Saxon government' argument leveled against their ancestors. It turned out fine. It will turn out fine again.
>aesthetic argument
Human life outweighs aesthetics. Add that to the list of things the West forgot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:26:32 2018 No.12012891 >>12012883 >It turned out fine. The Italian, Irish, Jewish, Russian, etc mafias tend to not really support this view

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:32:57 2018 No.12012914 >>12012891 And the Anglo-Saxons are cooking meth in the hills. Every nation has its criminals.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:34:29 2018 No.12012922 >>12012668 please tell me this was a shitpost

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:38:49 2018 No.12012936 >>12008855 What virtuous deeds can we accomplish in these times? It feels like there’s nothing to fight for anymore

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:41:31 2018 No.12012942 >>12012936 Prepare your family for societal collapse.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:50:46 2018 No.12012977

>Science is not perfect, and its "proofs" and methodologies must be held to the highest scrutiny
>forcing equality goes against natural social hierarchies
>that there is incredible value of human experience in "mental illness" of schizophrenia and mania
>many things considered "constants" are relatively new
>irony and meta awareness are not the same as honesty

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:55:22 2018 No.12012990 >>12012883 >america turned out fine

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 00:56:24 2018 No.12012995 >>12012914 >scots-irish >anglosaxon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 01:10:27 2018 No.12013030 >>12012995 Fine. Mormonism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 02:07:13 2018 No.12013169 >>12007202 This. There is a whole separate strand of religion for sophisticated thinking that most who rebelled against the sky man of their childhood won’t get to discover

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 03:39:44 2018 No.12013369 >>12008443 Sure dude

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 03:54:21 2018 No.12013397

>>12007599
What a stupid comic.
>>12007363
>no source
A lot of stuff was destroyed by the Allies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dOPslPCv6U
>>12007599
We haven't had a Pope in more than half a century. Second Vatican Council was a mistake, and all Popes since are anti-Popes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 03:57:59 2018 No.12013407 File: 18 KB, 400x400, bait_merchant.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12008124 Don't reply to cancerposts, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:00:42 2018 No.12013413 File: 476 KB, 2896x4062, check_em_panzer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12008855 You oughtn't to assume things about faceless users. Also, witnessed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:03:35 2018 No.12013419 I forgot the date today. I just don't check very often what day it is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:07:57 2018 No.12013429 File: 86 KB, 502x787, spengler_money.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12010742 lol ok

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:09:43 2018 No.12013435 >>12010424 the romans literally claimed this too, it is as they say, like pottery

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:11:13 2018 No.12013436 File: 380 KB, 200x348, danzig_spurdo.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12013435 Please don't reply to obvious bait. >>12013419 epic win ebin

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:13:41 2018 No.12013438 >>12013436 Obvious jokes are baits now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:14:17 2018 No.12013440 >>12007855 It's about a man or about a state. Same principles apply. It's just a matter of scale.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:18:43 2018 No.12013451

>>12009348
The sad thing is that the mothers and women here actually look like they'd do that. I didn't believe what they said about German women, sure I was there once or twice but now that I'm studying here... It's sad being a straight german male in terms of partners.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:22:24 2018 No.12013459 >>12010742 What's going on, big guy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:25:06 2018 No.12013464 >the most secular countries are among the most prosperous Interesting, it's almost as if this religious Western decline narrative is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:30:49 2018 No.12013477 File: 183 KB, 965x1200, DZ5Fpo1UQAAWCR-.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006883 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:33:46 2018 No.12013482 >>12013464 Bad argument

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 04:36:05 2018 No.12013490 >>12012668 >Things have never been better. Either b8 or peak NPC

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 06:04:02 2018 No.12013648

>>12012604
You're confusing leftism/communism with neo-liberal capitalism/corporatism/globalism. It's easy to make that mistake, because the neo-liberals have taken over the leftist parties and are exploiting their symbols.

No actual leftist/communist with a brain wants open borders and free movement of labor and capital. Perhaps open borders as some remote utopic ideal, but in practice they realize that you need a "closed" society to actualize the goals that benefit your working class.
Unfortunately, leftists like this are a minority nowadays, because, as I said, their parties have been subverted pretty much throughout the entire West.
You can still find some in places like Hungary, for example:
https://youtu.be/LwsYSLSVF58?t=1384

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 06:19:54 2018 No.12013669 >>12013464 yikes

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 06:24:28 2018 No.12013674 >>12010742 Awful strawman

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 06:27:22 2018 No.12013682

>>12013648
>No actual leftist/communist with a brain wants open borders and free movement of labor and capital.
Workers of the world unite, comrade.

No-one cares about your shitty east-European post-Stalinist communist parties that have 2 seats in their respective parliaments.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 07:03:12 2018 No.12013761

>>12013682
>Workers of the world unite, comrade.
Yes, as I said that's the "utopic ideal", which you need to take in context anyway.
That's not the same as "let's import cheap labor, because all that matters is GDP", which is what most "leftist" parties support nowadays.
Destroying homogeneous societies is not leftism. Anti-nationalism is not leftism (nationalism itself started as a leftist movement).

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 07:15:57 2018 No.12013792 >>12008124 and the earth is a better place because of them >hostility and hatred not to be found

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 07:19:21 2018 No.12013804 >>12006870 Self Determination, Belief, Modesty, Morales and of course God.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 07:31:42 2018 No.12013838 >>12012802 >>12012526 The free market king Friedman even acknowledges this, we are a family society, not an individual society. Sadly people actively strive to make it an individual society.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:07:57 2018 No.12013904 >>12006870 This http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf Glubb's Fate of Empires is an excellent rundown on what we have forgotten - or chosen to ignore.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:26:02 2018 No.12013926

I do often about about the seemingly skyrocketing rates of stress, anxiety and depression in our societies now. Was it always like this, and now we just diagnose it? Or has there been a real increase in these ailments, and if so, why? I try not to take a rosy view of the past, but sometimes I wonder whether people weren't generally more happy and fullfilled in the past, even if they didn't have the same material comforts we do now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:27:57 2018 No.12013930 >>12013926 >I wonder whether people weren't generally more happy and fullfilled in the past, >inb4 "nasty, brutish and short"

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:29:29 2018 No.12013933

>>12012883
I really hope this is just wishful thinking. As someone who was born to an immigrant family but raised in America for my entire life, I know firsthand the way that many foreigners not only refuse to assimilate (e.g., learn English), but that they refuse out of a sense of superiority and sometimes a disdain for this country. Especially the ones who are here just to make money and go back home. If I feel tension within my own family, imagine what kind of tension exists throughout the whole of society.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:33:58 2018 No.12013940 >>12006883 absolutely based

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:37:10 2018 No.12013945

>>12013926

It's the "alone together" angle. The death of communities and the increasingly high demands on individuals to conform and produce results. The death of spirituality in the wake of people turning atheist. Not saying motherfuckers necessarily need Jesus, but just SOMETHING to believe in. Death of the family and the unbalancing of traditional relationships between women and men.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:40:13 2018 No.12013954 >>12006886 If the downfall of society as a whole is caused by this, then what good will it do me to abstain? And I am abstaining, I'm just asking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:40:20 2018 No.12013955 The belief that conquest and expansion are bad and that being western should be of greater value to us than being human.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:47:17 2018 No.12013968 >>12012883 >Human life outweighs aesthetics. Add that to the list of things the West forgot This is something the west had thrust upon it, and it's this kind of thinking that's driving it into the ground.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:48:26 2018 No.12013971 There is no god but God and Muhammad is the prophet of God.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:52:01 2018 No.12013979 >>12013971 The West was literally created in opposition to this idea.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 08:58:27 2018 No.12013992 >>12007599 >Not pictured: the Anglo-Zionist Empire Vatican II and the USA have done far more to damage the church than Rome or the USSR ever could have dreamed

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 09:00:25 2018 No.12013999 >>12013930 tfw life is now sullen, decadent, and long so very, very long

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 09:11:02 2018 No.12014014 >>12007160 >Everyone believes in the prime mover though Nah, what about the source of the prime mover? infinite regress.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 09:16:31 2018 No.12014032 >>12013971 >There is no god Polytheistic.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 09:43:24 2018 No.12014090

I've been working on a little theory to try and explain some of the problems the west has come to experience. There is a contrast between community and world. In the old days, the community was small and the world was large. So for men, they could play an important role in their community, where they could easily be the best in the field by virtue of the community being small. This leads to higher fulfillment as you are providing a much needed service to your community at a level that is high for your community. However with the advance of technology and globalism the community has become large and the world has become small. This means that you're no longer expected to compete and produce in your small community but at a large scale. There will always be someone better than you and this leads to less fulfillment over time. Men like being needed and producing good work but if the community contains too many men then the average gets lost and begins to feel listless.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 09:48:44 2018 No.12014104 >>12014090 lol tim wu already published an essay on this "in praise of mediocrity" or whatever, have fun being behind the times

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 09:49:30 2018 No.12014108

>>12014090

It's the idea of the Competition State. EVERYONE must toe the line and produce as much as humanly possible at all times in order to help the state compete against the other states. A person is thus defined by his capacity to help the state generate more economic growth and activity. A person out of a job or doing low skill work is dragging the state down.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 09:54:52 2018 No.12014113

>>12014104
He doesn't quite frame the problem in the sense that the community has grown and the world has shrunk though, but I do agree with his premise thanks for the recc!

>>12014108
Yeah, the problem is now that the community is large and so your potential competitor pool has increased massively. Men really just want to feel needed and appreciated for the work they do. However as the article mentioned above states when you compare yourself to a much larger population size the ability to appear good at something becomes nigh impossible for the average man. Thus the death of fulfillment in man.

When the world is large a man can always go outside of his community to find opportunities to succeed. However when the world becomes small there is no other choice but to act inside the large community which as stated above is extremely difficult to do at any high level.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 10:13:04 2018 No.12014161 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJuOF2MFsJo

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 10:21:58 2018 No.12014185 >>12006870 >What has the west forgotten? The divine right of kings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 11:17:44 2018 No.12014340 there's a reason why your anthem is a lullaby

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 12:14:48 2018 No.12014461

>>12009205
In Traditionalism (Guenon and Evola's Traditionalism at least) that which can exist eternally without decay is Traditional.
You cannot look to the future without looking to your past, because the past has the prestige of survivng up until today.
It's Darwinian in a way.
That's precisely why the present is spiralling out of control, we are disdainful fo the past.
>Colonial heritage
>Inescapible racist past
>45 presidents who are men? Time for a change for the sake of change
All of this smacks of a distrust of our history, like we are carrying the sins of history on our shoulders.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 12:20:12 2018 No.12014473

>>12010742
Who said we haven't thought about our position?
Is it because we disagree with you, therefore we must be wrong?
Don't blame us you are a small souled bugman who insists "there is no such thing as the west, it was never great or cool".
By that standard, no other civilization is meaningful, as very few places outside of Europe ever created anything and live the way they lived for 10000 years.
Which is more meaningless?

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 12:24:11 2018 No.12014481

>>12006870
That what we call logic and reason had to be invented by someone. Philosophy does not require such conceits. Hence Chinese philosophy, which either operates with an assumed logic (Confucianism, Mohism) or explicitly rejects it (Daoism).

No other post in this thread is accurate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 12:26:01 2018 No.12014489 >>12013971 >this shit Broke. >There is no God, and Mohammad is His prophet. Woke

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 12:38:26 2018 No.12014531 >>12012668 >Things have enver been better Nietzsche's Last MAn reveals his final form. Don't shrink from us in horror because we aspire to something greater

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 12:50:59 2018 No.12014572 >>12012883 >Human life outweighs aesthetics. Most plebeian thing I have ever read.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 13:00:37 2018 No.12014601 >>12013169 >tfw /lit/ made me discover this form of religion

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 13:08:17 2018 No.12014621 >>12014601 Is he talking about philosophy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 13:59:42 2018 No.12014770 >the value of art >the importance of religion >the fulfilment found in religion >hedonism should be avoided

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 14:01:08 2018 No.12014775 >>12013169 >tfw get laughed at when I mention the philosophical depth of the catholic church

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 14:06:38 2018 No.12014788 >>12008825 so true

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 14:24:12 2018 No.12014842 >>12010900 maybe it will be soon enough

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:18:45 2018 No.12015007 We don't have as much free will as we think we have. The error of the modern world lays in the fact that they think a human being (and therefore its civilization) can be whatever it wants.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:21:11 2018 No.12015018 >>12006870 well, city people seem to forget that their food comes from the "redneck rural idiots that voted for Trump". when you forget where your food comes from, and then denigrate the people that grow it for you, bad things happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:21:49 2018 No.12015022 >>12006870 people with power have power, people without power don't have power

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:26:50 2018 No.12015044

I need a girl to hurt my balls really badly.
I want it more than sex, I've wanted it for over a decade and it has never happened. I just want to hear how much a fully clothed female enjoys hurting my reproductive organs, why has it been so long without?

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:33:18 2018 No.12015067

>>12015044
This is gay and probably bait but I do sometimes feel the urge to get the shit kicked out of me. Not enough to seriously damage but enough to hurt quite a bit. I feel like I'm inches away from the precipice, lightly grazing the surface of rock bottom. I feel no way of getting out so I kind of want to plummet hard and fast.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:37:00 2018 No.12015081 >>12006870 A is A

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:38:35 2018 No.12015090

>>12015067
>This is gay and probably bait
But I've never been sexually attracted to men
I want an attractive female to hurt me in a specific, sensitive area and I want her to hope she causes long term damage to my mental and physical health then ask me to thank her

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:39:44 2018 No.12015096 >>12015067 it just so happens that I have frequent desires to beat the shit out of people, maybe we could come to some sort of arrangement anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:40:54 2018 No.12015099 File: 53 KB, 650x550, elliot-rodger-10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006870 The problem is girls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0N88Lqg8Wc

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:54:51 2018 No.12015147 We forgot what "multiculturalism" and "diversity" actually mean, because for some bizarre reason it's now commonly accepted as a prettier, inoffensive synonym for "global homogenisation".

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 18:27:16 2018 No.12015757 >>12009746 They're a scary bunch

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 18:37:12 2018 No.12015792 >>12012637 They made great funk in the '70s, though

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 18:40:29 2018 No.12015810 >>12012720 >uneducated IQ tests are designed to test ability of figuring out patterns, not recalling history and geography trivia.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 18:40:52 2018 No.12015813 >>12012942 Unquestionably, unquestionably this

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 18:41:43 2018 No.12015815 >>12006870 A=A, The Law of Identity The basis of logic and thought.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 18:43:24 2018 No.12015819 Weapons are tools, and nothing else

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 18:53:39 2018 No.12015851

>>12014473
lmao he said to stop fetishizing the west and instead support your own countries history. All the brainlet replies just illustrate this board is infested with loser amerimutts who need some vague idea to cling to instead of their own countries. Stop thinking of Europe as a homogeneous entity you loesr turd.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:02:43 2018 No.12015887

>>12013926
In my experience (caretaking for the disabled and terminally ill), people who have lived with intense hardship since a young age have the most intense will-to-life to be found in all humanity.
I've seen young (mid-twenties, mid thirties), self-sufficient, otherwise healthy paraplegics make it two weeks into their injury before attempting suicide.
I've seen late 80s and 90s quadriplegics who had lived with their injury since early childhood (subjected to the most "degrading" practices every single day to even hold onto life) undergo months-long series of surgical procedures, possibly confining them to one bed, to one room for a year, two, three—all without complaint.
I still don't know what to do with this information.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:04:57 2018 No.12015894 >>12015887 you should read Biohistory

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:06:01 2018 No.12015900 >>12015090 Still gay

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:07:22 2018 No.12015905 >>12014473 Imperial China embodied the only heights humanity has ever reached, and the West destroyed it for capital and spices.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:09:49 2018 No.12015911 >>12014481 You're only addressing the Analytic half of Western philosophy, not the Continental half.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:11:25 2018 No.12015913 >>12015090 Hire a prostitute

>>	Proud Social Justice Warrior !BgjMIiqmkk Wed Oct 31 19:14:42 2018 No.12015921 Speaking openly about sex, politics and religion is the height of bad manners.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:14:56 2018 No.12015924 >>12015894 I'm a little skeptical, anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:18:07 2018 No.12015934 Tripfagging is deeply retarded and should be punishable by death

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:19:35 2018 No.12015942

>>12015924
that's fine. I think the idea of epigenetics is potentially very useful for understanding why societies change their behavior so dramatically

It remains speculative, but it's not going to hurt you to read it. YOu only really have to read the firs 100 pages anyway, it explains the idea

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:37:21 2018 No.12016030 >>12013464 >gdp is the only measure of progress

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:40:05 2018 No.12016043 >>12006870 Right now, I'd say the basic arguments for liberal democracy

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:51:46 2018 No.12016089 >>12015887 How does a quadriplegic attempt suicide anyway?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:56:18 2018 No.12016107 >>12015913 How do I get a girl off the street to kick my balls for money without her telling me to fuck off or threatening to call the police? She doesn't even have to remove her clothes or touch me other than with her footwear

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:58:26 2018 No.12016112 Christianity and Islam are brothers that fight time to time. Atheists are NOT

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:07:41 2018 No.12016151 >>12016043 There aren't any, that's why people are going to the fascists and the left, the latter to the extent possible after the cold war engrained COMMUNISM BAD in the minds of every western adult.

>>	Proud Social Justice Warrior !BgjMIiqmkk Wed Oct 31 20:07:46 2018 No.12016152 >>12016112 based and redpilled

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:12:59 2018 No.12016172

>>12014461
The problem is that, while the mainstream position is to trash the authority and the tradition, doing nothing but finding and pointing out its faults, there is an equally dastardly position rising up to combat this, where we find no faults at all with our fathers, anything that they may have done wrong we ignore and willingly put ourselves into a blind, infantile state of reverence to the past.
The solution is a balance. We have to look to the past for wisdom and guidance but understand that, just as our forefathers were the creators of traditions, we must also be unafraid to correct their mistakes if we see them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:16:14 2018 No.12016187 >>12016089 hold breath

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:16:17 2018 No.12016188 >>12014572 >understanding that each man carries the spark of divinity is plebian I'll stay plebian, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:19:21 2018 No.12016203 >>12015810 You misunderstand, if you have a childhood that is spent nurturing those parts of your brain so that they develop properly, you will outperform a kid that did not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:49:35 2018 No.12016305 >>12016107 They are in their business for money. Be courteous, be timid, ask if they would feel more comfortable bringing a friend. Prostitutes don't judge aloud. I promise your request would be more preferrable than PiV to most (no offense meant).

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:50:51 2018 No.12016309 >>12015942 Too true. I remain open to all ideas. I'll give it a try.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:57:37 2018 No.12016333

>>12016089
You don't know how tentative a quad's life is. Literally laying on a badly folded seam in a sheet or article of clothing anywhere in their body could cause a massive spike in blood pressure, ending in a stroke. Also, in a wheelchair, just about anything is possible. Don't discount human ingenuity, especially when it comes to escape from suffering. The wolf-in-a-snare image proves very true, especially in reverse: some people will endure anything to escape suffering

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 21:38:38 2018 No.12016470 >>12006870 Sacrifice before satisfaction

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 21:51:22 2018 No.12016511

>>12006887
It should actually the vice versa: your state (let's say Athens 480 or so) exists only because of the individual contributions of the citizens; sure, the state benefits the citizens by sponsoring performance, festivals, and public works, but most of the money supporting those enterprises is coming from private individuals who feel (or were compelled to feel) that their contribution was creating a better polis for everyone, even the poorest citizens (but not the slaves fuck 'em obviously). Sure, in a modern F.D.R. style semi-socialist state, the government exists to defend us and to some extent prevent us from being completely ignorant or prone to premature death: but it fails in the regard that the Athenian government shaped it's citizens to feel that they not only could, but where compelled to contribute to the thing that allowed them to exist, and defended (through conscription) by them, and that it's in their best interest to preserve it, not the other way around. Someone who couldn't contribute was not a worthy member of society, and you bet your ass they weren't going to get someone's dowry money.

I'm not saying that things should be like that now (and it obviously can't given the state of public education/social media), but people replying positively to this need to think about how education (and a proper culture/thinking environment) can shape people to better the state (through their 'wise' or just 'not incompetent' governance, art, thought, whatever) and THEREFORE benefit themselves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 00:17:10 2018 No.12017010 >>12015887 desu I'd want to kill myself if I was quadriplegic

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 01:31:28 2018 No.12017198 Itt degenerate americans pretend to be very traditional while championing sterile technical concepts: a purely philosophical god-type entity, 'muh nuclear family is the basic unit of society', etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 02:38:21 2018 No.12017321 >>12008439 it's sad that many will never realize this because probably the vast majority of people nowadays have never, ever, ever been alone in the wilderness, and never will (and have no interest in trying it)

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 02:42:01 2018 No.12017325 >>12017198 Find me the person who says the nuclear family is the basic unit of society. t. euro

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 03:08:25 2018 No.12017369 >>12017198 We should replace it with some sort of other sterile concepts, e.g. bugman materialism, or utopian-like entities, e.g. Communism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 03:23:14 2018 No.12017399 File: 39 KB, 1000x666, 1539842384890.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12016333 >talks about quads >gets trips

Anonymous Thu Nov 1 04:02:27 2018 No.12017457

>>12006883
God doesn't exist but it's an important concept for retards as a means of curating their behaviour. God is a concept for retards. An abstraction for those without or can't maintain a stable conception of reality and the absolute. Ones whose goals and ethics are malleable if not for some spook to adhere to. The problem here is that we're all retards.
>>12006886
Yes. Excess indulgence in reward mechanisms of sex without the consequences of "reproduction" creates aberrations of behaviour.
>>12006887
More as a security of existence, the prime benefit. Nations are superorganisms with decentralized interchangeable components. The problem is that the genetic and memetic components are being altered in a way that endangers the security of existence.
>>12006928
Women gestate offspring for a prolonged period of time, use your brain and figure out what that means. The security of modernity has negated a lot of that dynamic while the biological behavioural precepts still float around our DNA. As technology continues to outpace biology this may no longer be the case in the future but as of yet we still need to abide by these roles.

Anonymous Thu Nov 1 04:05:32 2018 No.12017460

>>12016151
>There aren't any
Factually wrong. Plenty of thinkers have made arguments in favour of liberalism. The problem is that, as it became the default, official and largely unchallenged ideology of the west, people forgot them. Now liberalism is being challenged all over the place, and nobody's defending it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 04:06:37 2018 No.12017463 >>12017399 >talks about trips >gets dubs

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 04:11:05 2018 No.12017470 File: 79 KB, 454x604, kereru22.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12006870 There are objective standards of truth, morality, and beauty.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 05:32:24 2018 No.12017618 >>12015905 yeah, opium and footbinding. Right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 05:33:25 2018 No.12017620 >>12015921 it's also a lot of fun

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 05:53:15 2018 No.12017648 >>12017470 Problem is you can't make that true by closing your eyes and wishing really hard. You have to actually prove it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 06:22:17 2018 No.12017694 that op is always a fag

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 06:24:51 2018 No.12017700 >>12017457 say 'retard' a few more times, retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 14:17:30 2018 No.12018846 >>12010829 Quid pro quo. eat hers

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