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Is this the least culturally significant decade in history? Not even just for books, I literally can't think of anything big from this decade.
>literature - fucking nothing, My Struggle started in the 2000s, the most significant literary figure of the decade is R*pi fucking K**r
>cinema - the biggest films I can think of from the decade from a more artsy point of view are Drive and It's Such A Beautiful Day, that's it
>music - probably the best field of the decade, even if I don't like them there are albums which will be remembered like MBDTF and TPAB (one of these is good but bloated, overall has a 5-track streak of 10/10s, the other is absolute nothing which soibois love, not horrible but not much, see if you can guess which), going more obscure, albums like Have One On Me and Peasant are great
>emerging media - The History Of The Whole World I Guess is probably the best video on YouTube objectively speaking, there's been some good stuff on YouTube but most of the best stuff is reviews of some kind, not 100% original content, also it's had a huge downward spiral since Vine shut down
My guess as for why is that now we have more accessible knowledge of what we've had before than ever, the kind of people who actually give a shit about art and culture aren't as concerned with current movements as with improving their own knowledge. There is as such more of a tendency to wallow in the past leading to bands like Greta Van Fleet

>> No.12001817

what are you talking about, anon, i'm writing a book and there are tons of masterpieces being written that go underground because publishing houses are trash and any intelligent author will turn to self publishing. unfortunately without the marketing strategies we're relegated to obscurity. as for other mediums i'm fucking laugh, particularly at the music one, as if any of that trash will ever be remembered. i don't know much about movies, but i bet in the next decade or so we'll discover more obscure works from this era, because movies are getting cheaper to produce.

>> No.12001832

God damn, attain some cultural literacy and then come back. You’re not wrong about this being a stunted decade for the arts, but you’re clearly not diving deep enough if you think Drive is one of the best or most significant movies of the last ten years.

>> No.12001868

Come on desu greta van fleet are a decent band, maybe you're just looking at this wrong, they're not wallowing in the past, they're just trying to alter the present

>> No.12001876

>>12001739
We'll be able to tell in 50 years.

>> No.12001898

Culture as being a singular widespread phenomenon is dead. Corporate and capitalistic entities have poached cultural objects into extinction. So greedily targeting anything with a widespread appeal, killing it so they can masquerade wearing its corpse.
Cultures can now only survive in closed-off communities small enough to avoid being targeted for exploitation, or poor enough to not be profitable to exploit. These subcultures either grow large enough to be corrupted, or disperse peacefully in which case they wont be remembered save by the participants.

>> No.12002013

1440ies were weaker, IMO

>> No.12002088

>>12001898
There are semi-closed off communities like the MFA programs and their surrounding milieu, but for some reason it tends to produce forgettable garbage. Maybe because it's kind of settled into a hierarchy with privileges for those who play the game, instead of a place where people try to hammer out good ideas into great works.

>> No.12002123

>>12002088
The cultural objects of a community dedicated to production of a commodity will never be the commodity itself.

>> No.12002304

Times are changing anon. Stop looking for the next great american novel when the new artistic triumphs of our generation will be video games and furry art.

>> No.12002327

>>12001817
>tons of masterpieces being written that go underground
drop some titles anon. I want to read some of these.

>> No.12002329

>>12001739
>cinema
PTA, Scorsese, Wes Anderson, and Terrence Malick have all been doing great things in this time period.

>> No.12002344

>>12002329
>>12001739
Are these comments about best cinema from the decade ironic?
Seriously, what the fuck? I know /lit/ is shit but I didn't expect people to be actual IMDb drones.

>> No.12002752

>>12002329
>wes anderson
how's high school, huh, little faggot? dont come back to my board until you graduate, understand, you little rascal?

>> No.12002758

>>12002752
Don't tell me what to do loser, don't reply to this post until you lose your virginity

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>>12001739
>cinema - the biggest films I can think of from the decade from a more artsy point of view are Drive and It's Such A Beautiful Day, that's it
you're forgetting the goat is in his prime right now.

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>>12001739
>The History Of The Whole World I Guess is probably the best video on YouTube objectively speaking
Unironically kill yourself.

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>>12002827
>>>/reddit/
>>>/out/

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>>12001739
>R*pi fucking K**r
Who?
>The History Of The Whole World I Guess
>good
>le downward spiral ecks dee
>caring about vine

>> No.12003026

>>12002867
This.

It's The History of Japan

>> No.12003047

>>12002872
>pedophilia
>not reddit
Last I heard their staff was full of pedophiles.

>> No.12003116

In terms of YouTube, everything is getting better and better.

>> No.12003170

>>12001739
It's hard to find the diamonds when you're flooded with shit. 99% of media created in any time period is complete trash but over time it's filtered out and forgotten so old stuff just seems to be so much better on average. Mean while there are authors alive right now who will go their whole lives unnoticed only for their works to blow up after their deaths and become cultural relics. People from the future will look at those pieces as great works of our time but mean while virtually nobody is reading it in 2018.

>> No.12003176

Internet culture is significant of which 4chan memes are the center. That makes us artists and connoisseurs.

>> No.12003178

>>12003116
Like what, Tucker Carlson and Bill Maher live streams are the only Youtube I watch these days.

>> No.12003205

>>12003178
There's alot more content about history, granted, it is still pretty shit, and probably based on thin readings but it's still better than the "top 10 facts!" Trend.

But I take back my post, YouTube is not really getting better, maybe only by little bits, the only thing I could really recommend as based is Rare Earth.

>> No.12003213 [DELETED] 

what is the best Youtube video?

sage for off-topic

>> No.12003469

>Rupi Kaur is the most significant writer of the last decade
No, that would be Stephen King
>he thinks the most artistic cinema of the last decade is Drive when Leviathan and other kino European movies keep coming out
You mean that Drive is the most artistic movie *you've* watched because you are an insular /pol/tard and haven't got the sense to watch movies which aren't triple A and made by Americans? Guardians of the Galaxy had better artistic direction than Drive, lol.
>history of the entire world is the best YouTube video
What? How does the quality of content on YouTube extrapolate into the cultural significance of this decade? If we're talking about art and fine culture, then why even bring up YouTube?

Americans at it again.

>> No.12003487

Fuck off already, you are the only failure here not the modern world.

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>>12003469
>Refn is an american

>> No.12003516

>>12001739
The 1170s were even worse.

>> No.12003795

Culture died 300 years ago. Industrialisation has produced NOTHING of beauty. Absolutely nothing. None. Zilch. The opposite really.

>> No.12003803

>>12001739
That Peasant album is honestly pretty mediocre

>> No.12003807

>>12002872
Having a positive view of 4chan is pretty reddit if we’re being honest, but accusing others of being reddit is the most reddit thing of all desu

>> No.12003810

>>12002013
>underestimates Dvadasanuprekshe
Pleb

>> No.12003820

>>12001739
>The History Of The Whole World I Guess is probably the best video on YouTube objectively speaking
Fool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP5lz2CYNR4

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>>12001739
>>12001817

>> No.12003833

>>12001832
>but you’re clearly not diving deep enough if you think Drive is one of the best or most significant movies of the last ten years.
Fucking this, not a bad movie but my god the best of the last 10 years?

>> No.12003841

>>12002752
>>wes anderson
Grand Budapest Hotel was fantastic Imo

>> No.12003900

Culture is dead.

>> No.12003920

>>12001739
>MBDTF and TPAB
pretty much confirms we are living in the collapse of civilizaiton if this is what you're offering as the best music of the decade

>> No.12003927

>>12001739
There's still local cultural movements, capitalism supress culture to death, imperialism from dominant countries

>> No.12003930

>>12003469
>Guardians of the Galaxy had better artistic direction than Drive, lol.

Way too obvious here. You definitely want to dial it back some of you want to sound convincing.

>> No.12003935

>>12003920
unironically better than anything from Bach but then again that’s a low bar

>> No.12003947

>>12003935
if you sincerely believe this you are completely beyond hope

>> No.12003954

>>12003947
Not him but he's right. But Bach couldn't even compose lyrics lol, Kendrick Lamar subverted the whole hip hop genre, he's pretty much THE poet of this generation, and his beats are also pretty cool while not even rich dudes listen to Bach anymore.

>> No.12003957

i think alan moore touched upon the fact that culture is dead, he makes a bitter statement about it in one of his issues of League Of Extraordinary Gentleman 2009 version

>In 2009, Harry Potter symbolize the downfall of storytelling in our era of mega-franchises stretching across every level of media. Or, in Sneddon’s telling: “He is surely no stand-in for one particular character but of the current obsession for replacing stories with money-generating franchises. Today, film rights are bought before publication, comics are written as storyboards, and teenage celebrities are given memoirs.”

link: https://ew.com/article/2012/06/18/harry-potter-antichrist-league-extraordinary-gentlemen/

>> No.12004018

>>12003954
please be baiting
you can't be this much of a degenerate, pleb, and brainlet simultaneously

>> No.12004037

>>12004018
You can continue with your appeals to authority, because you've heard some undergraduate kid in your college saying "man bach is like so cool dude" now you parrot it to the world. Music evolves, grandpa, and Kendrick right now is at the forefront, not only of hip hop production (remember, he did bring back Jazz to the mainstream), but more importantly as a poet, for example, on Backseat Freestyle, he's acknowledging Joyce's inspiration (which he already he confirmed), by bringing stream of conciousness into mainstream hip hop. On TPAB he's experimenting with atonal rap and so on. Bach is a footnote in history books that no one reads. Start actually listening to music, grandpa, start with the modernists.

>> No.12004039

Trump
Smartphones
Nu-horror (The Witch, Hereditary, The Babadook)
SSRIs
Houellebecq
Despacito
Nick Land
Incel
Netflix
Obesity
Syria
Death Grips
Great Recession
Tinder
MDE
Mass shooting
Knausgaard
Ligotti
Dabs
Obama
Fast casual
Gig economy
Kanye
Fidget spinners
/pol/
Carpool Karaoke

We're in the future now boys
Get with the fucking program and learn to code or get wrecked. Your choice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGYzpBoxa-w

>> No.12004046

>>12004037
Goddammit this is good bait, almost got me you faggot.

>> No.12004047

>>12001739
cringe

you need to read, watch and listen more.

>> No.12004052

>>12002758
ill have you know i fuck your mother on the reg, chump. i will LITERALLY RAPE YOU, you maggot.

>> No.12004054

>>12004046
it was the Backseat freestyle and Joyce thing that tipped me off lel

I have actually encountered people sincerely saying things like that post though

>> No.12004057

>>12001739
Some great films have been made, almost all of them from Asia and some from Europe, such as 2012's The Hunt (which, incidentally, deserves to become a classic).

>> No.12004059

>>12004047
>muh nigger poets
cringe

>> No.12004066

>>12001739
People are more active than ever in creation, largely due to the internet, endless spare time, and the wealth to pursue hobbies. Further, there's a lot more people. What are you on about?

>> No.12004075

>>12003213
>what is the best Youtube video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RixHDo7s9A&t=1s

>> No.12004078

The next step is a production of art where the audio, visual, literary, poetic, performance components are all devised, produced and released by one single person. Art was always an act of imitation of God and with reduced costs and increasing technology we are in the perfect state to produce something that gets closer to THE thing, that is Creation, than we ever have before. I already have more than hundreda of hours of material sitting ob my shelf ready to hit the light of the world. I would regret telling you what the next big thing is, but you people are stupid enough to look back upon past greats and whine why we dont have anything good right now, so you are likely too stupid and talentless to produce anything worthwhile anyways.

>> No.12004110

Plenty of good filmmakers still around...
Apichatpong Weerasethakul
Michael Haneke
Hirokazu Kore-eda
Lee Chang Dong
Wong Kar Wai
Andrey Zvyagintsev
Nuri Bilge Ceylan
Asghar Farhadi

>> No.12004116

>>12004057
>almost all of them from Asia and some from Europe
No

European cinema has gone down the fucking drain. When they aren't making pretentious moralizing allegorical slogs, it's another New Hollywood remix. The festival scene is embarrassing, Haneke is a joke, the French should be ashamed of themselves

As always, Americans are making the most exciting films in the world

>> No.12004122

>>12001739
you don’t know anything about cinema or music, why should I take your opinion on literature?

>> No.12004160

>>12001739
>TPAB
Oh, I see. You're a pleb. (Rap fucking sucks)

>> No.12004187

>>12001739
You have basic taste in everything and seem more occupied with trying to look sophisticated to the common social media user than in actually getting into any form of art.

Unless this is really good bait.

>>12001868
lmao

>> No.12004210

Culture is dead and has been for decades. Read Spengler

WE LIVE IN A CIVILIZATION

>> No.12004215

OP still not wrong when there's no /lit/ suggestions.

>> No.12004245

>>12001739
plenty of great shit has been made in this and the last decade, you're just dumbass normie only seeing and hearing the garbage pumped out by the mainstream. you hafta actually put some effort into sorting out the garbage to find a grade quality art. plenty of great writers and musicians go unread and unheard because the normie masses are a bunch of retarded asses.

>> No.12004252

>>12004039
Is Trumpsmartphonenu-horrorssrihouellebecqdespacitonicklandincelnetflixobesitysyriadeathgripsgreatrecessiontindermdemassshootingknausgaardligottidabsobamafastcasualgigeconomykanyefidgetspinnterspolcarpoolkaraokeism the ideology of the future?

I think so

>> No.12004262

>>12004039
>Ligotti

what wrong with ligotti?

>> No.12004273

>>12001739
>hah he doesn`t know Childish Gambino
>he never watched avengers
>he doesn`t talk with his friends about fast and furious X
>he doesn`t enjoy Amy Schmer jokes
>he doesn`t watch John Oliver
come on anon

>> No.12004284

>>12004054
>I have actually encountered people sincerely saying things like that post though
now that is the horror

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>>12004039
>>12004252
How does it feel to know we are living in the end of times?

That cuck Elon Musk is tilting at windmills with his space program.

>> No.12004414

>>12004052
Go ahead, your penis is so small I wouldn't feel a thing

>> No.12004441

>>12003935
>>12003954
>>12004037
I agree, this guy doesn’t realize dickriding bach is like claiming dickens is the greatest english writer

>> No.12004446

We need another Wagner to influence the arts with a modern gesamtkunstwerk. Arts are intermingling but nobody has created a true masterpiece utilizing everything in the modern cultural practices and the knowledge we have available to us. With the pace of technological and cultural development such a work would probably be already outdated when it came out, but total works of art would still be ultimate statements of the traditions preceding them. A problem with this is that every field of art is advanced and highly specialized according to the tradition that precedes it and competitive culture. This means that to make such a work on an individual level it would require more than a lifetime of study to create an actually artistically meaningful and revolutionary synthesis.

>> No.12004479

>>12004446
What would be more complete than a modern film which incorporates score, text, acting, photography and design all contributed by respective experts in their fields? What element of culture is missing in the gesamtkunstwerke we see every other day?

>> No.12004487

>>12004110
Farhadi can suck a dick, Panahi is best Iranian. Also think Wong Kar Wai has gone sour.

>> No.12004501

>>12004479
Interactivity

>> No.12004519

>>12004446
>>12004501
The answer was vinestars

>> No.12004544

>>12004479
The lack of interactivity. The synthesis of arts is often done poorly in film, aspects that are strictly in the cinematic tradition take the leading role away from the score or the score is lazy, either without innovation or stolen from somewhere. A total work of art would incorporate all aspects of art sublimely, not just focus on something specific. Modern film is a good basis for developing one, I agree.

>> No.12004588 [DELETED] 

>>12001739
Ideologies that will become more common in this decade.
The 21st century is sure shaping up to be fun. we got dozens of competing batshit apocalyptic ideologies, culture collapsing into recursive memery, liberal universalist consensus is dead and nearly 100% of the population has a mental illness of some sort. Like I said fun.

>Duginism
>Deep ecology
>Environmental accelerationism (Landian counterpart to deep ecology, unrestrained terraforming and genetic engineering)
>Marxskepticism (communists who believe that Marx was wrong about the dialectic and capital is unstoppable)
>Esoteric Hitlerism (direct pipeline from Petersonian kek worship)
>Nonwhite white supremacists (I know several)
>Theistic Fascist Satanism
>Islamocommunism
>Islamofascism
>Satanic extremism (see: Order of the Nine Angles)
>Surveillance state fetishism (masochists/exhibitionists who accept that the only way to survive in panopticon is to get off on it)
>Virtual escapism (unironically believe that the virtual world is superior to the physical one)
>Chemical escapism (same as above but with drugs)
>Government as financial dominatrix
>Social Darwinism but with Patreon
>Aesthetic supremacy

You must understand that the defining aspect of the millennial condition is that they want to die. Millennials in the West are attempting to annihilate themselves by any means necessary and all ideologies are merely accessories in service of this seldom acknowledged goal.

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I'll ask here, since it seems an apropiate thread.
I've dreamed about making games, all the conection of interactivity, seems like the ultimate art.

At the same time, making a good game requires such superhuman task, that is very hard for an AAA company, less alone a single artist to make something that can move the media forward.
Sure, there are exceptions like undertale and stardew valley, but even then, it tends to fall short to being compared to AAA titles, and the industry wants to move in this mindset of the winner takes it all, even if that means bigger budgets and more megalomany.

Is there a realistic solution for a single artist?
I've realized the solution is not to play the videogame game (not an intended pun) and just make something original that creates a new branch, rather than being a copycat.
So, I've started to think it would be possible to make something that looks and feel like a digital magazine (made in a game engine) where you simply read the text and enjoy the graphics (usually made using basic graphic design principles), maybe enjoy some waifu or comic cutscenes, at the same time some basic chiptune music and some basic interactivity in terms of minigames.

It would be a combination of diferent art genres into something new, but at the same time not a revolution.

>> No.12004601

>>12001739
Ideologies that will become more common in this decade.
The 21st century is sure shaping up to be fun. we got dozens of competing batshit apocalyptic ideologies, culture collapsing into recursive memery, liberal universalist consensus is dead and nearly 100% of the population has a mental illness of some sort. Like I said fun.

>Duginism
>Deep ecology
>Environmental accelerationism (Landian counterpart to deep ecology, unrestrained terraforming and genetic engineering)
>Marxskepticism (communists who believe that Marx was wrong about the dialectic and capital is unstoppable)
>Esoteric Hitlerism (direct pipeline from Petersonian kek worship)
>Nonwhite white supremacists (I know several)
>Islamocommunism
>Islamofascism
>Satanic extremism (see: Order of the Nine Angles)
>Surveillance state fetishism (masochists/exhibitionists who accept that the only way to survive in panopticon is to get off on it)
>Virtual escapism (unironically believe that the virtual world is superior to the physical one)
>Chemical escapism (same as above but with drugs)
>Government as financial dominatrix
>Social Darwinism but with Patreon
>Aesthetic supremacy

Lots of books written on all this in the last decade. You must understand that the defining aspect of the millennial condition is that they want to die. Millennials in the West are attempting to annihilate themselves by any means necessary and all ideologies are merely accessories in service of this seldom acknowledged goal.

>> No.12004624

>>12001739
Absolutely wrong, stop searching for what you consider culturally significant and open your eyes. Theres shit like Who Killed Captain Alex and Homestuck that are creating waves.

>> No.12004632

>>12004262
Nothing, I just think he's a figure who's part of 2010s culture, albeit one operating mostly in the background

He's more or less the best "New Weird" fiction writer, the "New Weird" being just about the only genuine literary movement that seems to have acquired any recognition this decade

He was a massive influence on True Detective (perhaps the most popular and acclaimed post-Mad Men television program)

Technically he's been writing since the 80s, but the Penguin Classics reissue and True Detective only happened in the past five years. To me he represents this decade's rekindled interest in Lovecraftian nihilistic awe.

>> No.12004685

>>12004600
I'm pretty sure what you've described has been done before (I believe the Serial Experiments Lain PS1 game does something almost exactly as you describe, but I can't read Jap).
Of course, you don't have to be innovative or revolutionary to be original.

>> No.12004855

>>12003841
Its a meme doe. A movie isnt just about quirky art direction, aNd even om that front: it needs an aesthetic of its own time if it wants to not be some atemporal shit made for and by art directors, that crappy pastel eastern european 1900s was completely artificial

>> No.12004870

>>12004601
>Government as financial dominatrix
Is this an actual thing or did you come up with it as a joke cause its not a bad idea

>> No.12004896

>>12004601
I wish all of these were actually as fun as they sound. Reality is always more boring.

>> No.12004919

>>12004600
You want to make a visual novel.

>> No.12004964

>my awareness of culturally significant works is based around my personal consumption of mass media
As evidenced through your post...this is not bad but if you're interested in better works of "art" you need to search a little deeper, OP!

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>You got to search deeper!
>Yet still no suggestions

>> No.12005491

>>12004870
oh its real

https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/tax-slave

>> No.12005523

>>12001739
Everyone thinks this. Then Billy Joel writes a song about it and everyone goes "Oh yeah! Man, we had some SHIT didn't we?"

Just give it a minute.

>> No.12006634

bump because people started to post interesting stuff

>> No.12006742

>>12004441
you know absolutely nothing about music theory

>> No.12008044

>>12005482
If you deserve culture, culture will come to you.

>> No.12008719

bump

>> No.12008723

>>12001739
>music - probably the best field of the decade
That's gonna be a yikes from me

>> No.12008758

American politics are in Renassaince

>> No.12008764

>>12002327
He's just memeing up excuses for his inevitable failure.

>> No.12008803

>>12001739
>>cinema - the biggest films I can think of from the decade from a more artsy point of view are Drive and It's Such A Beautiful Day, that's it
oh man this is so based

>> No.12008808

>>12001739
DEATH GRIPS

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>>12004601
>>Social Darwinism but with Patreon

>> No.12009459

>>12001739
im getting really heavy underage & red dit vibes from you

>> No.12009487

>>12004601
So which one should I pick?

>> No.12009618

>>12004078
>>12004446
>The next step is a production of art where the audio, visual, literary, poetic, performance components are all devised, produced and released by one single person.
Isn't this what Andy Warhol started and David Bowie pretty much epitomized? Isn't interdisciplinary work already a touchstone of modern art?

>>12004601
>Deep ecology
>Surveillance state fetishism
Oh boy, you made me very excited about the future all of a sudden

>Aesthetic supremacy
Elaborate? Do you mean something like Wilde's decadence?

>> No.12009842

>>12003954
>Kendrick Lamar subverted the whole hip hop genre
The saddest part is that this grand act of subversion amounted to showing the slightest amount of self-awareness, and he then precedes to ruin it all by ending the album with a Tupac interview. The whole thing is just so silly, but I guess it still managed to resonate with people.