/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11994978]

How did Isaiah 53 so perfectly foretell the coming of Jesus? It's spooky, lads. The Messiah was supposed to be some big bad general, an unstoppable hero like Achilles. Not a wretch that everyone despised. Yet there it is in print, in the book of one of the major prophets of the Hebrew Bible.

[Anonymous No.11995020]

>Onkelos the son of Klonimus..desired to convert himself (to Judaism)..he brought Yeshu (forth by means of/in) Séance..(Onkelos queried to Yeshu) whom is of importance in that world? He (Yeshu) answered him; Yisroel (the children of Israel). (Onkelos furthur queried) what/how (do you advise) to cleave to them? He (Yeshu) answered; "their benefit (lit. goodness) seek, their harm (lit. evil) do not seek (as) all/whomever touches them (with intent to harm) is as if (he) is touching the pupil of his (god's) eye". He (Onkelos) said to him (to Yeshu); the judgement of that man[7] is how/what? he (Yeshu) said to him (to Onkelos) "in excrement (that is) boiling".

>(the Talmud goes on to praise the fact that Yeshu -as a Jew- spoke favorably about his Jewish bretheren, as opposed to Onkelos's preceding dialogue with Titus and Bilaam who both advised Onkelos to provoke the Jews); "come and see (the stark) difference between (even those) sinners of Israel and the prophets of those nations who worship idols" (i.e. even a "sinner of Israel" is of superior spiritual quality than the prophet of idolatry)

—Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 57a

[Anonymous No.11995330]

>>11995020
who exactly cares about what the talmud has to say on anything?

[Anonymous No.11995334]

>>11995330
the (((enemies))) of Christianity do

[Anonymous No.11995337]

>>11995334`
indeed.
are you the OP?

[Anonymous No.11995394]

>>11994978
It predicts it accurately because the Bible is God's word.

Kikes are dumbfounded because the Old Testament is filled with verses that make no sense under their anti-Jesus understanding of scripture.

Job 19:25-26
>For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
>And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God

Daniel 3:24-25
>Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellers, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
>He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Micah 5:2
>But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

[Anonymous No.11995415]

>>11995337
no

[Anonymous No.11995659]

>>11994978
u probably read chr*stian translation

[Anonymous No.11996156]

b u m p

[Anonymous No.11996182]

>>11994978
It's called a self-fulfilling prophesy. The book of Isaiah was known to the authors of the New Testament gospels.

[Anonymous No.11996221]

>>11996182
I would be inclined to believe this was the case but for the well documented life and death of Jesus, which fits the characterization in Isaiah, and the testimony of the martyred apostles.

[Anonymous No.11996232]

>>11994978
>was supposed to be
God wasn't supposed to fulfill some ape-man power fantasy.

[Anonymous No.11996236]

>>11996221
>but for the well documented life and death of Jesus
Jesus is barely more than a mythical figure

[Anonymous No.11996239]

>>11996232
>God wasn't supposed to fulfill some ape-man power fantasy.
You have made a claim. Back it up. What, in your mind, is God supposed to do that is not specifically enumerated in scripture.

[Anonymous No.11996241]

>>11996236
That's way more than you ever will be.

[Anonymous No.11996242]

>>11996236
Except for the testimony of the apostles and the physical evidence of the shroud of Turin, you mean?

[Anonymous No.11996253]

>>11996239
>You have made a claim. Back it up.
Book of Job explains God's relationship with humans.
>We did the algorithm right why doesn't God obey (((us)))

[Anonymous No.11996255]

>>11996236
Wrong... you can say that about almost any other Biblical figure. You could say it about Moses, Esau, Adam, Noah, Joseph, etc.

But not Jesus. I mean, Jesus’ life is historically verified. Atheists and believers are in agreement about this even.

Just goes to show you the underage b& that has wandered into /lit/ recently

[Anonymous No.11996260]

>>11996221
>well documented
o i am laffin

[Anonymous No.11996264]

>>11996260
See
>>11996255

Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.11996279]

Arguments of historicity are boring and inadequate. Where philosophy and faith are concerned, He could have been Ziggy Stardust. What matters is scripture and the theology that proceeds from it.

[Anonymous No.11996297]

>>11996279
>Arguments are ... boring ...

Great. Did your mother leave you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for an after school snack?

[Anonymous No.11996298]

>>11995394
People would be more interested in your point if it wasn't full of vitriol, considering you're trying to push a Christian agenda.

[Anonymous No.11996309]

>>11996264
leave this board

[Anonymous No.11996344]

>>11996309
You are the outsider here bud. Your kind is dwindling and as a gut shot the last remnant of the atheists are reacting harshly.

No genuinely good philosophy can come from denial of God. The best existentialism is a religious one, a la Dostoevsky or Kierkegaard

[Anonymous No.11997120]

>>11996242
Radio carbon dating proves the shroud is a mediaeval forgery. Only one apostle wrote anything (the one who never met Jesus)

[Anonymous No.11997123]

>>11996221
>guy you like dies
>alter details to fit prophecy
Oila

[Anonymous No.11997147]

>>11996182
The sheer depth of Jesus Christ's prefigurement in the Old Testament simply cannot be attainable by "self-fulfilling prophesy." Every book of the Old Testament harks to the name of Jesus Christ in the New Testament in such great detail and precision.

[Anonymous No.11997150]

>>11996344
What year is this? The christfaggotry wave is over.

[Anonymous No.11997159]

>>11997120
Wrong. There is a piece of the shroud that is a medieval repair, but the shroud entire is genuine. Learn facts bud.

[Anonymous No.11997173]

Even the impression of the coins over the eyes left on the shroud. They are from a special minting, by Pontius Pilate, in the time of Jesus. Impossible to have faked in the middle ages.

[Anonymous No.11997180]

>>11997147
>>11997159
Now I know you're either trolling or gaslighting. Have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.11997185]

>>11997150
>What year is this? The christfaggotry wave is over.

Ok, that's enough. You need to go back to r/atheism

[Anonymous No.11997798]

>>11997159

[Anonymous No.11997824]

>>11996298
>People would be more interested in your point if it wasn't full of vitriol, considering you're trying to push a Christian agenda.

Steven Anderson is probably the most popular preacher on 4chan and he says all kinds of vitriolic things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcTiw5ByKUo

But yeah maybe "kike" was unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.11997833]

>>11997824
Steven Anderson is ironically popular on /pol/ and only unironically popular among braindead /christian/ posters

[Anonymous No.11997838]

>>11997150
I can provide the year according to either the Christian's calendar, or the Islamic calendar. Do you have a preference?

[Anonymous No.11997861]

>>11997833
>and only unironically popular among braindead /christian/ posters

Atheist or liberal Christian?

[Anonymous No.11997867]

>>11997833

not him but you honestly sound like a pretty asspained Jew to me

[Anonymous No.11997873]

>>11997861
Atheist. As if only "liberal Christians" would dislike him. He's an unorthodox heretic and an embarrassing example of American religious modernity.
>>11997867
Dummy

[Anonymous No.11997877]

>>11994978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR8CYQ8Btvs

>christians lol

[Anonymous No.11997907]

>>11997873
>Atheist. As if only "liberal Christians" would dislike him. He's an unorthodox heretic and an embarrassing example of American religious modernity.

He's one of the few people willing to preach straight from the Bible and actually tell people unpopular Biblical principles even if it causes people (evidently including you) discomfort.

Also a heretic is someone who tells people false doctrines which are not found in the Bible. "heretic" is not a byword for "someone who I disapprove of". Unless you have solid, intelligently researched doctrines in the Bible which you know that he is getting incorrect, you're just throwing out insults. I'm just going to say if you have some dense "hurr well what about eating shellfish!" response or some equivalent dumb answer that belies you get all of your Bible knowledge from atheist podcasters, don't bother responding. Not saying that's you, but literally 99% of atheists have no idea what the Bible teaches despite very strong opinions on it.

[Anonymous No.11997909]

>>11997824
Never thought I'd hear the eager profession, "I have nothing but HATE when I see..." from the pulpit, no matter the topic.

[Anonymous No.11997934]

>>11997909
He's teaching on imprecatory prayer in the book of Psalms and quoting Psalm 139.

Psalm 139:20-21
>Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
>I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

This falls under the category of things that liberal Christians can't stand so the pastors of 99% of churches will never touch this subject as they're scared they will lose members.

When he's not in rant mode behind the pulpit he seems pretty normal, btw. Here's him sitting down with an atheist discussing eternal life/transhumanism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9787sCUA6w

[Anonymous No.11997944]

>>11997907
From the outside looking in, several things make me very skeptical. First, his religious message and his doctrines rely on the assumption that the King James Version is somehow divinely exalted among English translations and therefore has primacy in matters of textual criticism. You say he preaches "straight from the Bible", but the Bible itself says nothing about this, so it's really a bizarre man-made tradition isolated to a very small subset of Anglophone Protestant Christians. I don't think there is any equivalent belief among Christians who speak other languages. It's a theological innovation of the modern era.

The belief in the rapture is a similar innovation isolated to the modern period expressed by Pastor Anderson, propagated among Americans in large part by the Scofield Study Bible, which is apparently meant to be Jewish modernism or something.

[Anonymous No.11997960]

>>11997934
he speaks not as a follower of Christ but rather like a man who thinks he knows God and therefore has the right to openly judge (in the biblical sense) others and call for condemnation. all sin is made equal, and I hope he can recognize his own. God has just as much a right to condemn him as he does Bruce Jenner or any of us.

the only /lit/ preacher is the late R.C. Sproul

[Anonymous No.11997994]

>>11997944
>but the Bible itself says nothing about this

2 Timothy 3:16-17
>All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
>That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The word "inspiration" is translated from the Greek "theopneustos" which literally means "God-breathed". The Bible itself claims to be God's word and is capable of making one "thoroughly furnished unto ALL good works".

Jesus himself said in John 10 that "the scripture cannot be broken".

On the issue of the KJV, it's largely irrelevent outside of itself as even non-KJV only people will attest to the exceptional quality and accuracy of the translation, and you will get similar readings found in translations like the ESV or NASB. Obviously there will be nitpicking between the finer points as you go from translation to translation, but most normal translations will have the same big picture stuff throughout.

[Anonymous No.11998028]

>>11997994
Is it irrelevant if Anderson is teaching a false doctrine about scripture and about God's participation in the world?

[Anonymous No.11998094]

>>11998028
>Is it irrelevant if Anderson is teaching a false doctrine about scripture

It's a meta doctrine about translations. I do think some hyper-KJV onlyists go too far in declaring people unsaved if they use an NIV or something, but there are reasonable, substantive criticisms both of modern translations and their textual basis (the fact that modern translations lean extremely heavily on Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus is a valid point of criticism seeing as they have barely any external support for their textual readings as they're almost completely isolated from other textual transmission streams).

On the issue of Sola Scriptura, we have 2 Timothy 3:16-17 in Catholic bibles too. And Jesus rebuked people for ignoring the scriptures to go teach traditions.

Mark 7:7-13
>Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
>For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
>And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
>For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
>But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
>And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
>Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

I would say that furthermore, if the only "gotcha" point you can get him on is a meta doctrine you aren't very convincing for accusing him of being a "heretic".

[Anonymous No.11998096]

>>11995394
>astonied

[Anonymous No.11998265]

>>11997838
the absolute state of LARPing christians

[Anonymous No.11998473]

>>11997960
>the only /lit/ preacher is the late R.C. Sproul
I'm okay with this

[Anonymous No.11998511]

>>11998265
>i cant disprove them, i know what to do!