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/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General /sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fan(...) Thu Oct 25 15:21:40 2018 No.11987359 [Reply] [Original]

I wish magical realism was more like anime edition.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:24:17 2018 No.11987369 File: 54 KB, 364x584, classics.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11987359 >embed >embed >embed Congrats you're a failure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:24:39 2018 No.11987371 Someone make a new chart of good SFF from this century (last 18 years)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:24:54 2018 No.11987372 Should I read Revelation Space

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:24:59 2018 No.11987373 >>11987359 Those titties look nice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:26:05 2018 No.11987376 >>11987372 You should read Chasm City. Revelation Space is ok. Avoid everything else in the series.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:26:52 2018 No.11987379 File: 1.50 MB, 2464x1632, 14185024067_5d64372917_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11987369 You hear that a lot don't you? >>11987373 Yeah they are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:27:50 2018 No.11987384 >>11987379 >those titties sweet lord have mercy on my soul

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:30:11 2018 No.11987400 File: 56 KB, 357x584, classics2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11987379 >no, you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:34:08 2018 No.11987429 >>11987384 I am glad you approve. >>11987400 I don't understand why are you getting mad at me for your failures

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:35:11 2018 No.11987433 File: 291 KB, 500x800, monthly reading.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] One week left!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:37:43 2018 No.11987446 File: 214 KB, 539x726, What the fuck am I reading.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >be me, reading Titus Alone >mfw I'm 15 pages from finishing

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:38:01 2018 No.11987448 Thoughts on Oryx and Crake?

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:38:44 2018 No.11987455
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>tfw writing just isn't fun anymore
I used to write every day, but now my inner critic and age urge me to write something "good." But I don't know what "good" is, and when I look back at my old works and ideas, I feel like they were better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:40:05 2018 No.11987464 >>11987455 Maybe it's time to set aside the childish thoughts and ideas and move on?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:40:35 2018 No.11987473 >>11987446 That wasn't your face for the entire book?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:41:17 2018 No.11987477 File: 12 KB, 599x605, i wanna fuck that X.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11987359 gimme books about monstergirls.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:43:37 2018 No.11987492 File: 24 KB, 350x350, Boltman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11987473 During some passages featuring Muzzlehatch it's been more like this. But mostly wtf.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:47:52 2018 No.11987517 File: 884 KB, 795x1200, 7991045414_87dcfbe202_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11987477 The Uplift War by David Brin has a pretty nice alien morphing monster waifu.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:49:43 2018 No.11987527

>>11987104
It's a very fast read
I'm a slow reader but I'm through with 40% of it having started it about 3 hours back
That said, it's nowhere near the quality of some of his other stories like Lord of Light
More tropes, less philosophy
But competent mostly, aside from the dialogue thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:49:46 2018 No.11987528 >>11987517 >Taking advantage of resentments that fester among the lower social strata of the neo-chimp population oh god my sides

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:53:17 2018 No.11987554

>>11987455
Just write about whatever you want anon, you'll need to check it anyway after you wrote it to see if the story works as you wanted it.

I'll post what I said to another anon here who had issues writing titled: You can't edit a blank page.

The best advice I'd ever been given about writing is that you can't edit a blank page. Don't worry about prose or if the logic of the story isn't 100%, even if you have to skip a chapter or two in your story because you're stuck at the point where you are is fine, you can fix all that when you do the first or second rework of the story and pick up the loose ends.

But you can't edit a blank page, nobody can edit a blank page no matter how good they are of an editor and most importantly nobody can or will read a blank page.

I would like to add to this that if you get burned out from working on the same story you might have been working on for a while (it happens to all of us) and have another idea for a short story, a poem or a novel or whatever, just try writing a bit on that and clear you mind of the story you were burned out from.

Even practicing a little makes you a better author and makes you more confident in what you create.

Also here is another thing an anon asked in a previous thread as a result to me posting this.

>That's good advice anon.
>I enjoy writing, but I haven't done any creative writing since high school, and no academic writing since university. When it's my own topic, on my own volition, I psych myself out and waste time.

>University
You are already miles ahead of me in terms of being able to write a text that looks like it was written by a professional.

I'm an absolute beginner, and even though I have a decent grasp of the English language (as a non native) I'm most likely lagging behind some of the more educated anons here.

But I still have hope, my writing might be garbage today and maybe it won't get any better any time soon. But someday it will go from garbage to terrible and from terrible to just plain bad.

Then it will go from bad to meh and from meh to ok. Maybe it will take some years after this but at some point if I put enough effort in I will go from ok to pretty good and eventually I'll go from pretty good to excellent.

I'm not too sure what comes after excellent but if I'm ever mentioned somewhere where a novel or anything I've made is seen as excellent I'd probably be pretty proud of achieving that.

The main point is to never lose hope, hope is the only thing that keeps doubt out of your mind and doubt is the most dangerous thing a man can face.

Doubt can kill thoughts before you even consider them, because you doubt that you're good enough and especially so when that doubt is unwarranted since your ideas might actually be really good, but before you can consider them and make them a reality the doubt kills them and they're lost forever.

I hope this helps you anon, and I wish you much luck in writing your stories.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 15:55:20 2018 No.11987564 File: 2.21 MB, 3663x2986, 7601896930_13c771590c_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11987528 You also have neo-gorillaz, neo-doggos and neo-dolphins (those rapists).

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 16:08:14 2018 No.11987620
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listened to second book, it was kind of ok before gurl power part, then it became just bad. And by the end it went full Mery Sue. This is from the end:

Raithe smiled at her, and then spoke to the chieftains, who looked less than convinced. “For days we’ve sat here arguing and accomplishing nothing. While we talked, while we worried, Persephone risked her life crossing the sea, and she’s returned with the answer to our problems. And did she take an army? Did she wield sword and spear in battle? No. She took the best minds she knew, and that’s how she succeeded, by using her head rather than muscle. Could you have done that, Tegan?”
...
“All of this was her idea,” Raithe said. “She was the first to see the threat coming; the first to believe we could win. She called this summit. Persephone is the one who suggested the appointment of a single leader. And when we needed better weapons than the Fhrey’s, she made that happen, too. I’ve never believed in the impossible. I’ve never believed that one person could make a difference. Persephone has proved me wrong. I haven’t believed in much, but…I believe in her. Persephone has done the impossible, not just once but over and over again. Look at Udgar. The leader of the Gula-Rhunes is standing inside Dahl Tirre taking part in the appointment of a keenig for all the clans. Lipit, did you think that would ever happen?”

Anon Thu Oct 25 16:30:47 2018 No.11987712

>>11987455
>I don't know what "good" is
What are your favorite books? Imitate them but put your own personal spin on their themes. (Not plagiarize.)

>>11987527
Lord of Light is his masterpiece which I think still stands as one of the best stand alone novels in sf. The Corwin books are his fun sword & sorcery series for escapism. (Lord of Light had fun moments too ofc.) I think it's better than most fantasy series which is why I recommend it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 16:34:48 2018 No.11987725 >>11987620 >reading reddit approved authors He's basically Sanderson 2.0

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 16:46:00 2018 No.11987774
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Is there any good SciFi that takes place in the near future, but isn't dystopian YA?

I want something firm/hard exploring a future with a small colony on Mars just getting started, humanity just starting to utilize space for mining, sending people to the Jovian moons and shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 16:48:58 2018 No.11987783 >>11987774 I guess it goes past what your asking for, but isn't Blue Remembered Earth pretty near

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 16:58:28 2018 No.11987816 >>11987783 >Blue Remembered Earth >He [Reynolds] described the first novel of the series as featuring a utopian future where Africa is a leading technological power. sounds more like absurdist fantasy rather than firm/hard scifi desu

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:00:41 2018 No.11987822 File: 22 KB, 450x338, 05d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11987816

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:10:32 2018 No.11987863 >>11987620 >tfw she defeats the other clans champion by shooting him with a longbow >no one thinks that’s cheating

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:17:25 2018 No.11987897 >>11987822 WE

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:22:33 2018 No.11987919 >>11987725 He’s 10 times worse than Sanderson desu

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:23:20 2018 No.11987921 File: 26 KB, 265x376, Planetes_manga_vol_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11987774 Also had a great anime adaption.

>>	Anon Thu Oct 25 17:24:46 2018 No.11987926 >>11987774 a bunch of Kim Stanley Robinson is like that, especially Red Mars, but he can be technical & dry. (If you're in incel, KSR is a guy and not trans.)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:27:27 2018 No.11987935 >>11987446 Finished, still unsure about what happened and what to make of the book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:27:45 2018 No.11987938 >>11987926 >If you're in incel, KSR is a guy and not trans. Wat? Translation pls.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:31:24 2018 No.11987961 >>11987433 This meme book gave me the strength to finally participate in SFF of the month

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:40:15 2018 No.11988002
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>>11987774
You could try the Expanse, if you haven't already, but it tends to be more action oriented, and a couple centuries later.
Also, the Medusa Chronicles.

>>11987783
I also recommend this.

>>	Anon Thu Oct 25 17:41:32 2018 No.11988011 >>11987938 Some ppl here are highly triggered by female authors so I was just saying Kim Stanley Robinson is a dude even tho his name is Kim. (I heard he goes by "Stan" actually.)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:44:44 2018 No.11988024 What is Lyonesse like?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:45:31 2018 No.11988028 File: 8 KB, 187x266, 1858.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11988011 All the horrible lefty shit aside who can ever confuse Stan "Soda Can" Robinson for a woman after Googling him?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:51:13 2018 No.11988060 >>11988028 Faaaaaag

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 17:57:27 2018 No.11988094 >>11988011 fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 18:14:20 2018 No.11988176 Name a manlier character than Stannis Baratheon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 18:23:22 2018 No.11988215 >>11988176 The Hound

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 18:23:40 2018 No.11988217 >>11988176 Conan

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 18:40:41 2018 No.11988298 >>11987517 stop posting fucking trannies

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 19:04:41 2018 No.11988387 >>11988215 >>11988217 Reddit

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 19:14:29 2018 No.11988420 >>11988298 [TRIGGERED]

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 19:32:13 2018 No.11988470

>>11988420
>man face
>cleft chin bigger than mine
>strapping down and trying to hide adam's apple with electric tape
>hiding shoulders that could carry a NFL team to the super bowl with cloth
>flatter than an ironing board
>posting this off topic shit outside of lgbt
>haha he triggered

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 19:45:29 2018 No.11988527 File: 92 KB, 659x377, You_sound_like_a_bitch_bitch_When_your_fans_become_your_haters_Fuck_your_beards_weird_You_yellin_at_the_mic_you_weird_beard_Your_beards_weird_why_you_yellin_at_the_mic.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11988470

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Anonymous Thu Oct 25 22:58:33 2018 No.11989218

Anyone feel like SFF is highly regarded these days except when it comes to writing? Seriously.
>people worshipping drawfags left and right
>cult of personality around artists who can draw silly fucking doodles
>meanwhile actual authors are "niche"
>people care more about the visual aspect of the genre than the genre itself

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:02:36 2018 No.11989244

>>11989218
A decent drawing is a lot easier to appreciate than different writing. It probably also has to do with some notion of "everyone can write" as opposed to the rather daunting process that drawing well requires (which isn't to say that it's easier to write well than to draw well, just that it seems that way).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:12:07 2018 No.11989276 What's some non-epic fantasy that's guaranteed to inspire a pseud?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:16:35 2018 No.11989294 >>11989276 Throne of Glass by Sarah J. Fatass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:20:02 2018 No.11989304 File: 900 KB, 1277x1385, ayyy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11988420 Checked

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:20:49 2018 No.11989307 >>11989294 I said non-epic fantasy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:21:29 2018 No.11989313 >>11989307 I assure you there is nothing epic about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:23:07 2018 No.11989320 >>11989313 I mean "epic fantasy" the subgenre. I don't want that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:24:02 2018 No.11989324 >>11989276 My NaNoWriMo entry

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:28:23 2018 No.11989342 >>11989320 Oh that. Maybe Bloodsounder Arc? No cataclysmic, earth shattering events, tight writing, interesting characters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:34:50 2018 No.11989362 >>11989342 I can't tell if you're a troll or just a complete idiot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:39:30 2018 No.11989384 >>11989362 This is what I get for trying to be helpful. Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:02:45 2018 No.11989458 >>11989276 Inspire how? Last Call by Tim Powers is great, uplifting

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:07:32 2018 No.11989477 >tfw you realize post-apocalyptic 'science fantasy' settings are the best settings

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:14:58 2018 No.11989505

Noob question:
If a book or series is set in a made up setting with a medieval or other pre-modern flavour about it, but does not in fact feature any magic, fantastical creatures or races, would you consider it low fantasy, or not fantasy at all?

example: The Gormenghast series.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:15:30 2018 No.11989509 File: 240 KB, 334x527, sandafag.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11989477 Your books are awful Mark Lawrence, stop writing them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:18:34 2018 No.11989523 >>11989509 >tfw you realize *non-grimderp post-apocalyptic 'science fantasy' settings are the best settings

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:22:37 2018 No.11989539

>>11989218
Yeah. Younger people are more inclined toward visual stimulation these days, what with growing up with internet and tv and all. There's probably more to it than that, but thats my 2 cents.
Luckily I'm a drawfag, so I have options. Seriously considering that I might make a visual novel instead of an illustrated regular one.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:26:20 2018 No.11989558

>>11989505

I'd argue yes, but it has to explicitly not be our reality, or even something that could be in our history. Gormenghast is a fantasy because it did not, and could not exist in our reality. Magic is a common element, but not the arbiter of what is and is not fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:06:47 2018 No.11989684 what did we think of Oathbringer?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:08:17 2018 No.11989692 >>11989505 I'll also argue yes along similar lines as >>11989558 A setting of a created world/country/city is fantasy, with or without magic. There's no pretense of historical accuracy (which ofc saves the author lots of research work).

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:17:54 2018 No.11989724 >>11989558 >>11989692 Cheers. This was my general inclination, but I wanted a second opinion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:22:34 2018 No.11989741 >>11989505 I'd say it counts as fantasy, but it's really on the borderline, even moreso than magical realism Basically, I'd say it's only fantasy if there's no other genre you can file it under

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:23:24 2018 No.11989746 >>11989741 what the fuck is magical realism

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:29:15 2018 No.11989752 >>11989746 That's what pretentious mainstream fags call fantasy that doesn't fit their idea of traditional nerd fantasy with dragons and such.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:31:04 2018 No.11989757 >>11989752 Yeah but what conventions separate it from traditional fantasy? Is it generally low fantasy? High fantasy? The fuck's going on?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:31:54 2018 No.11989760 >Character is named Ender >ends the war and a species How did he get away with this

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:33:19 2018 No.11989764 >>11989757 usually low fantasy, possibly urban but magic is not hidden from the normal populace and instead is an accepted part of their world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:43:52 2018 No.11989806 File: 118 KB, 674x1135, 61AXAMwmRiL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did anyone here read Gibson's Sprawl Trilogy? How did 3Jane found out about Angie in Mona Lisa Overdrive?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:44:48 2018 No.11989808 Is there a word for the type of fantasy that doesn't focus on soldiers, pirates, bandits and scheming noblemen? Or at least, is there a word that does refer to that so I can say "not that" when I want to say what kind of fantasy I'm into?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 01:55:39 2018 No.11989838 >>11989808 Just tell them you're a retarded faggot. I'm sure that will more than suffice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:01:00 2018 No.11989849 >>11989838 I'm apologize for your shitty taste, and hope you enjoy your regurgitated garbage

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:02:55 2018 No.11989858 >>11989808 Slice of Life maybe? Dunno dude, the things you don't like seem varied and quite specific at the same time, not sure if you can dump them all or the remainder into one sub genre.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:03:19 2018 No.11989860 >>11989849 >t. retarded faggot

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:22:25 2018 No.11989883

>>11989858

The fact that you think that's all there is to fantasy shows how pervasive and opaque this bubble is.

Fantasy isn't just about war and politics. There's hundreds of novels outside that, but everyone is so fucking obsessed with copying Tolkein and GRRM that breadth of the genre is drowned out by every generic carbon copy whose name is some permutation of sword/throne/crown/game/prince/ship/queen/heart/blade/soldier of thorns/ashes/dust/bones/blood/blades/thrones/leaves/mist/dragons/magic

Fantasy is about the wonder of stories uninhibited by the constraints of real life or what could easily be mistaken for real life. If every novel is about killing some cruel king that's not fantasy anymore. That's something that's even less imaginative than non-fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:29:25 2018 No.11989896 >>11989362 Based post desu

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:35:25 2018 No.11989901 >>11989523 mein Niger

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:48:03 2018 No.11989919

>>11987774
>I want something firm/hard exploring a future with a small colony on Mars just getting started, humanity just starting to utilize space for mining, sending people to the Jovian moons and shit.

Ben Bova has done a absolute ton of stuff in the "exploring/homesteading space" genre. Something like 20-30 books in the Grand Tour series since he started it in the 80s. Fairly average but he's consistent in writing quality and he sticks to mostly hard-scifi stuff with only some minor handwavium like nanotech being really useful but also super feared and banned on Earth because of disassemblers.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 02:49:38 2018 No.11989925

>>11989883
That other anon was right, you are a retarded faggot.
Where did I say anything about what fantasy was about? I just explained based on what you said it's difficult to classify what you disliked into a single sub genre or a short description.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 03:06:08 2018 No.11989957

>>11989808
I'd ask for something that isn't medieval fantasy. This isn't perfect of course but will help narrow things down. Adding what books you have liked is also a good idea.

Classifications are both too broad and too limiting. Three of my favorite novels are Vurt, Last Call, and Zod Wallop so they're Urban Fantasy but whenever anyone hears those words they think Tough Female Bounty Hunter in a Love Triangle with Fae and Vampire Boyfriends and no that's not what these books are about at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 03:15:57 2018 No.11989984 the book of the nu sun

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 03:47:01 2018 No.11990058 >>11989984 the book of the snu snu

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 04:19:46 2018 No.11990126 >>11987359 Jeeeeesus. H Christ

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 04:35:15 2018 No.11990147 >>11987725 Sanderson writes scenes from action anime that guy writes scenes from filler anime episodes

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 06:28:19 2018 No.11990331 File: 225 KB, 1056x1408, 5077447908_167d336e8d_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11990126 Don't blaspheme anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 07:14:50 2018 No.11990413 >>11990331 >fallout 4 common now anon you serious?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 08:35:18 2018 No.11990555 >>11990413 I think that's supposed to be from the fantastic four.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:02:15 2018 No.11990606

>>11987816
It's absurdist fantasy alright. I stopped when the two fags revealed the miniature elephants they'd created on the moon, and seriously discussed linking them to a herd of wild elephants living in africa via implants in their brains to ensure the miniature elephants would be properly socialized. The implants would projected images and sounds of both groups of elephants to each other in real time.

Threw the damn book across the room.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:17:48 2018 No.11990646

I have a question for you all.
What makes a good author ? Or much more rather what makes a book by an author good ?
I've been trying to find the answer what element it is that differentiates between a really good author and a really bad one (also partly so I won't make the same mistakes when writing my own novels.)
Is there even a clear answer to this question ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:34:56 2018 No.11990697 >>11990646 >What makes a good author ? Being able to tell your entire story in one book.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:40:14 2018 No.11990711 >>11990646 >What makes a good author ? He's memed on /lit/

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:40:37 2018 No.11990714

>>11990646
>good prose
>interesting and consistent characters
>compelling story
If you hit those three you have a good book. You don't necessarily have a great book but you're definitely above average. To be a truly amazing author (or to write a truly amazing book) you have to go a bit beyond that and have all or several of the following:
>genuine thematic/philosophical element - some kind of theory or idea that the characters and story explore
>command of tone
>ability to write dynamic sequences in good prose without losing the reader in what's happening
>something 'novel' about your book, be it style or theme or plot structure etc. etc.
I'm sure there are other more specific aspects that I'm not thinking of right now, but that's a good starting point from what I can think of off the top of my head.
For scifi-fantasy I would also say
>unique and interesting worldbuilding that makes sense and is internally self-consistent throughout the book

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:47:53 2018 No.11990738 >>11990714 Is there something that I can read to help me become a better author. I already have the elements of style and I was wondering if there is something else I could use.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:51:07 2018 No.11990748

>>11990738
No idea lad, would need to read some of your writing but even then I'm not a competent writer myself; I mostly do it for fun and I'm under no illusion that I'm so great talent.
There are critique threads every now and then on /lit/ which might be more helpful. Post some of your writing and then ask for any advice or sources of good writing tips and exercises. Heck you could probably just make a thread devoted to improving writing, seen a couple of those around before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:51:22 2018 No.11990749 >>11990738 King James Bible

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:52:16 2018 No.11990753 Will there ever be a fantasy author who has the influence of GRRM and Tolkien to the point where even normies love it and everyone tries to copy it? Rowling doesn't count.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:55:06 2018 No.11990760
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>>11990753
Yeah. Probably in a decade or so.
He (or she if you want to be funny) has most likely already written the next best thing. Now we just wait for it to percolate through the modern consciousness and for the current big thing to die out.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:59:39 2018 No.11990771

>>11990748
I had a discussion before about an idea that was influenced by other boards.
Kind of like a telephone game but people give you some key words and you need to make a story about those key words in your own style and then other anons give criticism about that story.
It would be fun to do since you have 3000 characters to make a story with.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:04:32 2018 No.11990790

Would you guys read my genreshit and stay in touch with me if I posted it here?

Stories under 20 pages in terms of wordcount

I'm not posting it yet I have two big updates to add to them and then I will have four legible stories on it, and I won't link before then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:06:21 2018 No.11990796 >>11990790 Of course not. But I will funpost about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:07:12 2018 No.11990801 >>11990796 Do you cracka honkey motherfucekrs even read? I'm used to 50 pages a day minimum when I'm not busy with classcucking but it seems almost all of /lit/ isn't as NEETlightened as I

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:11:11 2018 No.11990824 >tfw you realize novellas are superior to full-length novels Just the right length to flesh the story, characters and world out but not long enough to where unnecessary bloat sets in.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:11:30 2018 No.11990825 >>11989684 Some liked it, some hated it, everyone agree there was too much Shallan

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:11:43 2018 No.11990826 >>11990801 I don't know about dem other muthafucka but I don't have time for NEETing with the job and personal life and stuff. But I do try to stay hip with the lingo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:13:22 2018 No.11990836 >>11990826 >stay hip with the lingo. boomer tier post please buy 4chan gold and block my IP

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:16:05 2018 No.11990852 File: 3.60 MB, 3128x2448, 9780954393_a4788043df_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11990836 >boomer I was born old.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:32:56 2018 No.11990920 >>11990824 I find novellas really boring. Nothing substantial or interesting happens in them usually, as there's no setup for it to happen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:49:40 2018 No.11990971 >>11990790 I'll give it a read. What is it about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:52:52 2018 No.11990977 >>11990824 Novellas always feel fairly short. I'm mean I'm only at the beginning with my novel and I'm ready at 10k words. Having to limit it below 40k words would be nearly impossible.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:55:40 2018 No.11990983

>>11990971
One is an unironic ironic Sneed tribute (the meme) where a store owner goes fucking brutal over the cyberpunk skyscraper-town hall and fights huge bots and mechs and is shot at by planes and henchmen wont spoil the ending

Another is a sort of arc-based story (like a manga) that is supposed to be all over the place and the first act which I'm finishing to redact is a horror mystery where a strange mutant monster has been discovered on a world of hi-tech dwarves (lots of backstory and acts planned for this one)

Another is a conspiracy-based world where the protagonist goes from being a common civilian to being raised through the ranks of S O C I E T Y for a mysterious end

My style is actually very dickensian (more condensed though, but very assorted vocabulary since I hardly read anything made post the 19th century) might be hard at points.

See you in a day or two with my accy

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 10:56:48 2018 No.11990989 File: 12 KB, 183x275, index.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HOBEY HO BOBBY LET'S HANG US SOME SNIGGERS

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 11:03:19 2018 No.11991013 >>11990983 I write like a schizo on 4chan because I'm lazy and I gave up on this shitty website, if you like good prose you will not be disappointed

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 11:18:01 2018 No.11991057

>>11990920
And what novellas have you read? Because every novella I've read recently I've found to be WAY more exciting and entertaining overall than the last bloated epic fantasy series I read.
>>11990977
Read a dull, bloated slog like Bakker's Second Apocalypse and you'll become a HUGE fan of the tighter, more focused approach of novellas. And I'm not even saying your entire story has to consist of one novella, but it's just so refreshing to read a story that doesn't feel like it was padded to reach an arbitrary page count.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 11:41:43 2018 No.11991120

>>11991057
Oh no padding for the sake of padding is pointless, it just makes a story longer for no reason.
Every sentence needs to have a purpose, but I suppose it depends on what the story is and the pace of it.
I like it more when a scene and what happens in a scene resolves itself within the same chapter before going to the next scene.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 11:42:51 2018 No.11991124 >>11991120 *When a scene starts

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 11:53:06 2018 No.11991149 >>11987620 God this prose is awful. How could an exceedingly smart person with a fancy college degree write in such a language?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 12:01:23 2018 No.11991174 >>11990753 normies like what they are told to like. if someone wants to make a lot of money theyll make something or someone popular.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 13:05:38 2018 No.11991394 Severian is a ____

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 13:52:51 2018 No.11991547 >>11991394 A role model.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 13:52:58 2018 No.11991548 >>11989684 Way worse than the first book and marginally worse than the second

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:19:44 2018 No.11991648 >>11990983 >tfw I wrote a 8000 word story featuring Shrek that was actually about Pepe and how his meme went from feels bad man to an alt-right symbol known all around the word >tfw I lost it when my harddrive crashed

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:20:56 2018 No.11991652 >>11991648 It’s God punishing you for taking a walk down Satan’s alley

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:27:11 2018 No.11991668 >>11991648 feels bad man is an edit you bitch

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:38:33 2018 No.11991714 >>11991668 >hurr Chill out, I know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:45:10 2018 No.11991743 >>11990413 >he calls it fallout 4 I thought underage was against the rules and bannable?

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:45:25 2018 No.11991744

>>11991548
This was my thought as well, the first book was really something. I don't know how a series could shit the bed as quick as this one did. It's almost impressive. After way of kings I was bothering my friends to read it, now I tell them not to bother if they haven't startedm

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:45:27 2018 No.11991745 Are Stormlight Archives audio books good? Forgot to cancel my audible sub and am looking for something easily digestible yet entertaining.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 14:48:35 2018 No.11991755 File: 2.44 MB, 1409x2127, 13887809752_ab506087d0_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11991743 Not that anon but no one reads comics any more. You can't expect from others to know about every minor comic character.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:03:28 2018 No.11991821 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17675462-the-raven-boys Is this series actually good? I saw someone who gave Joyce 5 stars also give this YA novel 5 stars so now I'm confused.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:08:50 2018 No.11991849 >>11991755 >That buldge Low effort tranny

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:12:16 2018 No.11991862 >>11991821 It's YA. If that's what you're into you might like it. I read the first two books and I though they were somewhat above average for YA crap but nothing particularly great. It's very obvious that it is aimed at young women/teenage girls.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:19:31 2018 No.11991901 >>11991849 Nothing passes you anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:20:02 2018 No.11991902 File: 606 KB, 879x462, clever girl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11991745 i would only recommend it if its read aloud by the sandman himself

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:26:48 2018 No.11991931 >>11991743 fallout 4 is game for babies so who are you to call underage when you are the one to defend it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:33:13 2018 No.11991977 >>11991821 People have their guilty pleasures. It's hard to tell without a review detailing why the person in question gave the book 5 stars.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:34:22 2018 No.11991987 >>11991977 https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1373174507?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:39:15 2018 No.11992009 >>11991987 Maxvell looks like a typical basedboy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:40:16 2018 No.11992017 >>11992009 Based

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:48:32 2018 No.11992058

>>11990983
>My style is very dickensian
2bh this is a red flag for me but I'll take a look when you post it

>>11990738
what do you need help with?
for dialogue, read plays and scripts
for prose, read good writers or modern poetry
for story structure i recommend:
The Anatomy of Story by John Truby
Writing the Breakout Novel by Maass

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:51:04 2018 No.11992068

>>11991987
I read both the reviews and it's hard to say but I would probably not recommend reading the Raven book based on his love for A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. His review of Portrait does point out how he enjoy the depth of the work in addition to the atmosphere while the Raven review only mention atmosphere, characters etc, i.e things you can enjoy based only on recognition or your own livid fantasy.

He also rated Mistborn, Kingkiller and The Magicians 5/5, I'd say base your decision on those series as they are probably more similar to the Raven book.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:54:10 2018 No.11992092 >>11991547 >a a role model You absolute disgusting failure of a man

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 15:57:32 2018 No.11992101
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>>11992068
>The Magicians
The series is total crap but Dudley has some nice acting skills.

>>11992092
At least I am a man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:01:02 2018 No.11992114 >>11992101 If you're such a man why aren't you at the pub playing pool on a friday night?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:01:25 2018 No.11992116 >>11990753 There will be a new GRRM. Tolkien created the genre basically so no, no one will have his influence. Rowling is more influential than GRRM

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:06:33 2018 No.11992135

>>11992058
I'll give the anatomy of story and writing the breakout novel a read when I get a chance.
I just want to make sure that in terms of prose and structuring it's as good as it's going to get.
I don't want to make a novel and then find out it's shit because I missed a basic step in the production process. Characters and dialogue is very dependant on personal experience and the story itself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:07:25 2018 No.11992137 >>11991394 filthy liar

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:12:19 2018 No.11992160 >>11992114 Whatever made you think I would explain my actions to someone like you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:19:50 2018 No.11992191 >>11992160 I was lead to believe that you were a man. my apologies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:21:17 2018 No.11992200 >>11992191 Run along now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:24:17 2018 No.11992212 >>11992135 It's good to get feedback once you have a chapter or two but i realize it's hard to find people who are good at critique

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:25:12 2018 No.11992217 >>11990989 I read all these when I was a kid and I loved them but there were so many problems with that universe. Shit barely made sense by the end. Bobby should've gotten laid so many times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:35:01 2018 No.11992269 File: 1.94 MB, 500x247, 1529533219199.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11992200

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:51:37 2018 No.11992346

>>11992212
Well any feedback is nice, just having another person take a look with fresh eyes can do wonders.
I remember as a project I had to make a little website (just something simple with html5 and css3) and at some point I could barely even notice the changes I would make. It wasn't until my mother had a look before I turned it in and told me that she liked that I changed the shadows on the links when you hover over it with the mouse. I had completely forgotten about doing that simply from working on it constantly for hours.
That's where the benefit from having another person look at it they can see things you've been staring at for hours and still can't see it.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 17:34:36 2018 No.11992491

magic item idea:

>The Unholy Grail
>resembling an ordinary solo cup, whoever drinks of it will become violently sick and die, and they will stay violently ill in whatever afterlife they end up in
>It's also known as The One Cup, or The Cup Of Two Girls

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 17:42:59 2018 No.11992513 >>11992491 Pls don't do this. This is a serious thread, meant for discussing serious authors... like Sanderson.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 17:44:38 2018 No.11992516 >>11992491 >>>/tg/

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 18:19:54 2018 No.11992664 Please suggest fantasy novels with a huge diversity of cultures in terms of human races or non-humans. Something like Glorantha.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 18:26:21 2018 No.11992694

>>11992664

Try Shadows of the Apt, there are different races based on different insects which give their progeny a sort of racial memory which informs their culture and their physical attributes. This means that the ant-people are very much different as collectivists than say the beetle-folk, and they much different than the wasp-men.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 18:43:33 2018 No.11992774 File: 131 KB, 1920x1080, IRON MAN.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11992513

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 19:29:15 2018 No.11992950 >>11992664 Wuxia

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 19:41:09 2018 No.11992989 File: 74 KB, 1360x768, xana1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what is the /lit/ equivalent of Dark Messiah of Might and Magic?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 19:55:51 2018 No.11993041 >>11991931 Where did I defend it? I don't even /v/

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:02:13 2018 No.11993068

>>11992101
Man I wanted the alice actor so bad.. even though her chin cleft is so manly
>google her for pics
>see the magicians is in season 3
Meh It's been so long I can't even remember if I wanted to see season 3 or not.
I need American Gods season 2 though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:04:28 2018 No.11993078 >>11991394 wormhole

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:05:30 2018 No.11993088

>>11992989
im interested too
>get the prude stuck up bitch that is righteous in every way and wont give you the attention of the day until you kill your dad and end his reign of terror
>or get the demon chick your dad send for you to seduce you to his side of the power struggle only to then kill your dead and take his power for yourself while absconding with your demon waifu that is bonded to your soul and will forever be with you

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:06:28 2018 No.11993092 >>11992694 Don't read this. You got beetle girls cucking you for mothguys

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:10:46 2018 No.11993099

>>11992664
The Cloud Roads by Martha Wells is set on a planet with different species, none are human. It focuses on a sort of bee-like one in social structure but they're humanoid and fly.

>>11992346
It depends on who's giving feedback. Someone that reads Sarah Maas and another that reads Gene Wolfe will give different and maybe conflicting opinions. I'm not hating on either one it's just a question of if your writing is closer to popular YA or literary fantasy on whose opinion you should value more.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:19:12 2018 No.11993131

https://www.erewhonbooks.com/submissions/

This looks kinda promising. I'm a little worried about them being "particularly interested" in social commentary, but I hope that they at least encourage some more literary science-fantasy to come to the market. Even Gene Wolfe isn't writing anything but mystery novels lately.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:25:12 2018 No.11993159 >>11993041 calling underage when i was the one calling that other anon out for posting baby game like fallout 4 so your post was better for that cosplay faggot now if you want to talk about a real fallout game look no further than fallout 3

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:27:01 2018 No.11993166 >>11993159 jesus dude stfu

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:45:22 2018 No.11993233 File: 62 KB, 457x709, gollancz-08237b-reynolds-house-of-suns.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Good book.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:47:35 2018 No.11993243 >>11993159 Look at this worthless faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:52:50 2018 No.11993262 >>11993166 >>11993243 reddit/10

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:54:58 2018 No.11993272 File: 56 KB, 960x640, 589393-arton14850.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11993262 Problem?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:57:21 2018 No.11993286 >>11993233 I just finished book 1 about an hour ago. I like this type of scifi. What am I in for going forward?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:03:43 2018 No.11993311 >>11993286 House of Suns is a standalone book

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:05:10 2018 No.11993318 File: 1.98 MB, 390x205, well.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11993311 i c

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:20:01 2018 No.11993395 >>11993233 I'm reading the first one and I'm surprised at how much I like it. I even like the prose and the characters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:21:51 2018 No.11993405 >>11993272 hey guy your the one with a fucking problem all i did was point out fallout 4 cosplay is stupid and has no place here on a sffg

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:24:05 2018 No.11993421 File: 733 KB, 760x839, 1529904934222.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11993405 1. It's a Fantastic Four cosplay 2. Fallout is a shit franchise across the board 3. Be still your autism

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:27:19 2018 No.11993432

Good audible recommendations? I have a long commute every day and audio books have been a godsend. Only problem is the incredibly varied quality of the actual readings themselves. Who are some top tier readers and what books have they done that are fairly good?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:28:28 2018 No.11993437 >>11993432 Aubrey-Maturin series read by Patrick Tull

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:29:26 2018 No.11993445

I only just learned of Harlan Ellison's death.

1/2

I was saddened to learn of Unca Harlan's death.

Despite his leftist politics, I always held the greatest respect for him as an author and a human being, because you could tell he was speaking from personally held principles. When in 2014 he was willing to speak truth to power, and sign his name to an open letter asking whether SFWA had given all proper consideration to the precedent they were establishing with the proposed Stalin-style PC censorship board they wanted to establish, he reaffirmed my respect for him.

This is not to say that it isn't well known that he was a fairly abrasive character, in person, and had something of a history of getting handsy with women, to say nothing of The Last Dangerous Visions. He wasn't a plaster saint on a shelf, nor is anyone reading this, so cast the first stone ye who will.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:30:27 2018 No.11993452

>>11993445
2/2

How many people do you, Dear Reader, know personally who are willing to put their lives and livelihoods on the line for a principle, even--especially--one as formerly uncontroversial as freedom of expression, knowing they were risking being blacklisted and made unemployable for it? The same people who apologize for, defend, and praise Stalin's lickspittle toadies--groupies of an honest-to-God death-cult, complete with secret police and concentration camps--in Hollywood in the 1940s and 1950s in the name of the same ideal are perfectly happy to blacklist people who wonder whether SFWA really needs Soviet-style political commissars to seek out and silence wrongthinkers who lack sufficient revolutionary zeal. Self-awareness? Consistency? What's that?

Anyway. Hail and farewell, Unca Harlan, a better writer than most, with bigger balls than most. Rachel Swirsky and John Scalzi couldn't carry your jock, nay, not if each tried to pick up one end of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:40:20 2018 No.11993505 >>11993421 i was merely pretending

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:41:22 2018 No.11993508 File: 37 KB, 400x447, 1504996023975.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11993505

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 22:15:59 2018 No.11993674 File: 74 KB, 770x437, Animation_Evolution_Roman_Battle_Tactics-770x437.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any fantasy where dirty smelly barbarians get HEEMED by chad civilisations?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 22:34:52 2018 No.11993746 >>11993674 Late rome is the best rome, from an aesthetic standpoint.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 23:28:34 2018 No.11993915 [SPOILER]

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Hello 4chan /lit/

I would like to discuss the wonderful wealth of available novels featuring revolutionary concepts such as artificial intellect and nuclear bombs as well as the genius authors who explore these riveting themes through the lens of fantasy.

I have no doubt that /ssfg/ will procure a sizable selection of cutting edge recommendations featuring this instant classic content.

If you are unable to do so, I may be able to suggest a solution upon your admittance of defeat, but I'm sure you fine folks will think up something!
hint: ACE FANTASY has quite the catalogue

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 23:41:25 2018 No.11993943

Any self-pub novels out lately that aren't horrible trash? I haven't read a single self-published novel other than like half of one posted here. I prefer stuff that at least makes it seem like the author has something worth saying, like BotNS and Hyperion. Any indie shit that fits that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 00:15:55 2018 No.11994042 File: 91 KB, 1300x650, smash-bros-ultimate-roster-doomguy[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are some books where the main character goes on a superhuman rip & tear rampage?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 00:25:46 2018 No.11994081 >>11994042 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_(novel_series)

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 00:59:06 2018 No.11994184

>>11994042
some of those michael scott earle books with the tiger dude

>>11993915
Hello my good weaponized beardman,

In regards to your inquiries, I would unhesitatingly recommend a fantastic series that is named and whose first book is called Throne of Glass. It features both computerized intelligences and atomic weapons dropped from bomber planes as per request. The author is an acknowledged genius and received the highest graduation commendation from her college. I entreat you to purchase the series at your first opportunity so that you may enjoy the fruits of her splendid work.

Your humble and obedient servant,
Anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 01:03:22 2018 No.11994196 >>11990753 Yeah, whoever gets the next big TV or film deal. You must have started reading after the HBO series started.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 01:06:37 2018 No.11994210 >>11994042 Logan Ninefingers in Abercrombie's books does it fairly often Karsa Orlong in House of Chains

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 01:22:20 2018 No.11994263 Anyone want to do a /sffg/ nanowrimo discord or should I just join one of the "greater community" ones

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 01:27:35 2018 No.11994288
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>>11994184
UH OKAY BUD.

sure

You want to take a moment away from your fairy princess lala wonderland and recognize some real talent? STEP. UP. TO MY. DIAS.
lmao Sarah J Whatsherface. Jesus Christ on a cross, you're crucifying me over here! "Can i make it anymore obvious?" You should get that one, its a chick tune limerick. Maybe next time you'll read a real book so i can put food on my son's plate. He's autistic you know, and he hangs out with you weirdos a whole bunch. Spends all goddamn day on here it makes me sick but I told him I'm the cool dad so now I'm stuck with you sorry lot myself cause i gotta "prove" it or something? I mean what the hell do I have to prove? I'm a straight A genius with a G but this little twerp needs convincing. Next time you see my kid tell him dad ain't so fucking bad after all AM I. shit, fucking stupid ass anonymous creep forum. Follow me on blogspot btw. Bye.

on the low tho does her book actually copy my shit? GODFUCK HER FAT FUCKING CRYPT CUNT, I'm trying to sell books over here and these spoiled gamergate unicorns keep pissing in my pond.spoiler]

>>	Sage Sat Oct 27 01:27:49 2018 No.11994291 >>11987448 Was enjoyable when I read it ~15 years ago. Kinda want to reread it so I can read the sequels and not struggle to pick up the thread.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 01:58:38 2018 No.11994407

>>11992058
>2bh this is a red flag for me but I'll take a look when you post it

I realized that because I remember everybody who tries that does it like utter stinking shit but I'm not like the other guys :^)

I wanted to pick a fragment that can't be googled because I have to revise 1 more thing before I feel like making it public.

>Stores shuttered, and rolling doors were drawn over their fronts. Once employees were straying on the streets, hanging out with friends as best they could afford, in search of work, some of both turning to crime with growing dismay. Others were filing at public kitchens, and waited the government's recent pledges of aid, that were all too scanty for the mass of them.
>And some kept to the old habit of being in line to the cake shops, the neater dressed more furtively than the others. The time in mean of all this, the government doubled on their urges that all stay calm until the passing of any troubles; As the better mannered of the stirring peoples were those thronging in protests before diverse state buildings.

This is the conspiracfy story where his business gets dragged up for uncanny purposes(to be revealed later in the story)

What does /sffg/ say?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:02:00 2018 No.11994413 >>11994407 why are all the writers in here ESL

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:02:37 2018 No.11994416 File: 249 KB, 700x700, laughingwhores.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11994263 >discord

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:03:36 2018 No.11994419 >>11994413 What the fuck does that mean. I'm pretty sure that means something really fucking bad as if I still can't avail myself of all that 19th-17th century kino I read

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:07:04 2018 No.11994423

>>11994419
>>11994413
I googled nvm

I am ESL but that's besides the point because I know more English than anybody here no offense, I was extremely autistic when taking notes reading anything.

If certain phrases seem off by the current standard that is intentional because I am drawing inspiration from as far back as the 17th century. Unless I miss a letter or a word everything is intentional and has likely been correct at some point.

>muh dated language
That's not what I'm going for

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:11:27 2018 No.11994438
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>>11994419
>>11994423
>>11994407
>calling books "kino"
>claiming undue mastery of the English language
>trying for a literary gimmick before you can actually write in a cohesive manner

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:15:06 2018 No.11994445
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>>11994438
Point 1 noncoherent sentence

All my posts on 4chan are shitposts I can hardly bother myself with writing these stories well as they are
"know english" isn't "Use english" I will beat everyone on a vocabulary and grammar test that doesn't mean I don't own my faults in writing. Even as it stands it still seems to me I writemog most nu-english authors even at the level I'm at.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:19:31 2018 No.11994453 >>11994416 Waddaya want, a telegram group, ya fuckin furry Discord's just convenient to discuss stuff without spamming the thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:37:59 2018 No.11994494 >>11994416 Has anybody made porn MOCs of these like they did with bonkles yet

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:40:34 2018 No.11994502

>>11994494
https://gta5hipster101.tumblr.com/post/171217387916/dawnofnssd-sp00kyunit-s-takalla-youth
Yeah, acquaintance of mine shared this with me the other day. The fact that there are foot-focused pictures in the set is one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 02:44:09 2018 No.11994507 >>11994502 B&R

>>	dead thread Sat Oct 27 03:30:46 2018 No.11994597 >he still hasn't said pointed an incoherent thing

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:05:03 2018 No.11994650

>>11994597
I'd like you to give precedent for
>Once employees were straying on the streets, hanging out with friends as best they could afford, in search of work, some of both turning to crime with growing dismay.
I think I get what you're trying to say in regards to "both": those that are hanging out (very odd word choice btw) and those in search of work, but it seems so awkwardly phrased. Why is "once" used in this way? Are you trying to say once-employees, and if so, why not just use "the unemployed"? Why is the sentence organized in that manner with those seemingly nonsensical commas?

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:18:55 2018 No.11994668 [DELETED]

>>11994650
"Once and future king"

It's one of the archaisms I have adverted about.

>"Unemployed"

This is my particular quirk because I have an autistic hatred for compound words (I try never to use them and succeed), and I favor alternativesd to words with both suffixes and prefixes

>seemingly nonsensical

They are perfectly sensical because they partition and organize ideas and intervals in the main phrase, if you remove any the sentence becomes a large flurry of information right in the reader's face.

I read better now and "both" is a relic from the draft of this work. Originally it went like

>Once employees were straying on the streets,some hanging out with friends as best they could afford,some in search of work, some of both turning to crime with growing dismay.

So this is not intended and just me proofreading like shit (you can notice that in my posts in the thread too)

The sentence should have went like:
>Once employees were straying on the streets, hanging out with friends as best they could afford, in search of work, and another few turning to crime on growing dismay.

Is there anything wrong with the paragraph I originally posting with that redaction error out of view?

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:26:46 2018 No.11994676 [DELETED]

>>11994650
"Once and future king"
It's one of the archaisms I have adverted about.
>"Unemployed"
This is my particular quirk because I have an autistic hatred for compound words (I try never to use them and succeed), and I favor alternativesd to words with both suffixes and prefixes
>seemingly nonsensical
They are perfectly sensical because they partition and organize ideas and intervals in the main phrase, if you remove any the sentence becomes a large flurry of information right in the reader's face.

I read better now and "both" is a relic from the draft of this work. Originally it went like
>Once employees were straying on the streets,some hanging out with friends as best they could afford,some in search of work, some of both turning to crime with growing dismay.
So this is not intended and just me proofreading like shit (you can notice that in my posts in the thread too)
The sentence should have went like:
>Once employees were straying on the streets, hanging out with friends as best they could afford, in search of work, and another few turning to crime on growing dismay.
Is there anything wrong with the paragraph I originally posting with that redaction error out of view?

Purged the reddit spacing now give me (You)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:27:54 2018 No.11994679 >>11987477 Check amazon, got suggested a bunch of monster girl harem scifi books a while back. Didn't remember the titles though. Oh and superhero/mutant harem books too. God those authors must be killing it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:45:04 2018 No.11994700 [DELETED]

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There is also absolutely no alternative for "hanging out" in that sense.
>unemployed people associating on the streets
I'm saying people became bums going on walks because they don't have the money for much else, but that seems clear from
>straying on the streets, hanging out with friends as best they could afford

I was signing up for disaster writing fiction with modern themes using 18th century syntax but I'm going ahead anyways, I'll post my acc once I finish redacting another fic (hopefully better after what the thread taught me)

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:54:02 2018 No.11994708
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Holy shit the version I pasted with the "both" mistake was the draft and the final story doesn't have it, when I checked to correct the mistake that I thought I'd find there it was already corrected.

So I basically asked critique on a version that isn't my good writing and I never published

4chng doesn't let me delete my other posts I would if I could, what a catastrophic feat of autism I made in this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:55:38 2018 No.11994710 >>11994708 Please report me so janny purges my post from the thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:56:05 2018 No.11994711 >>11994708 Why do you keep embarrassing your mother and I?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:56:40 2018 No.11994712 File: 154 KB, 608x388, 1471025375043.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11994711 AAAAH I DON'T KNOOOOOOW

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 04:57:47 2018 No.11994713

>>11994676
Jesus, stop deleting your posts.
>"Once and future king"
Lel, still need to read my copy. This will be a good motivation to do that.
>This is my particular quirk because I have an autistic hatred for compound words (I try never to use them and succeed), and I favor alternativesd to words with both suffixes and prefixes
Why do you hate compound words and why do you hate words with suffixes and prefixes? Seems like an odd thing to get hung up on, especially when the compound "once-employed" or "once-employees" reads so much better than "once employed."
Let's go piece by piece now.
>Once employees were straying on the streets
Starting again with the whole "once employees" thing, because they aren't linked in any way, "once" gains a lot of ambiguity in that it can refer to "employees" being a previous state of the people you're referring to or in that it could also be interpreted as introducing the temporal context of the rest of the sentence (which would correctly be done with "Once, employees...). This lack of clear grammatical definition just makes it more annoying for the reader to parse while not adding anything to the meaning or prose. Get over your autism and learn to use compound words.
>were straying on the streets
"Straying" is bad word choice here, something like "loitering," "ambling," or even "wandering" would probably be better since "straying" generally has the connotation of deviation from a path. Additionally, I don't know if "stray on" is a correct form, as I have mostly seen "stray from."
>hanging out with friends
You don't need to use a literal synonym to the phrase, and instead could do something more evocative like "huddling together" or the like. The rest of the clause would need to be adjusted, but it would be a change for the better.
1/?

>>11994708
I'm submitting this post as a monument to your autism and because otherwise my effort would have been completely wasted. You sicken me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 05:06:21 2018 No.11994723 What are some more novels like the dying earth series?

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 05:07:11 2018 No.11994726

>>11994650
"Once and future king"

It's one of the archaisms I have adverted about.

>"Unemployed"

This is my particular quirk because I have an autistic hatred for compound words (I try never to use them and succeed), and I favor alternativesd to words with both suffixes and prefixes

>seemingly nonsensical

They are perfectly sensical because they partition and organize ideas and intervals in the main phrase, if you remove any the sentence becomes a large flurry of information right in the reader's face.

I read better now and "both" is a relic from the draft of this work. Originally it went like

>Once employees were straying on the streets,some hanging out with friends as best they could afford,some in search of work, some of both turning to crime with growing dismay.

So this is not intended and just me proofreading like shit (you can notice that in my posts in the thread too)

The sentence should have went like:
>Once employees were straying on the streets, hanging out with friends as best they could afford, in search of work, and another few turning to crime on growing dismay.

Is there anything wrong with the paragraph I originally posting with that redaction error out of view?
>>
Anonymous 10/27/18(Sat)08:26:46 No.11994676▶
>>11994650
"Once and future king"
It's one of the archaisms I have adverted about.
>"Unemployed"
This is my particular quirk because I have an autistic hatred for compound words (I try never to use them and succeed), and I favor alternativesd to words with both suffixes and prefixes
>seemingly nonsensical
They are perfectly sensical because they partition and organize ideas and intervals in the main phrase, if you remove any the sentence becomes a large flurry of information right in the reader's face.

I read better now and "both" is a relic from the draft of this work. Originally it went like
>Once employees were straying on the streets,some hanging out with friends as best they could afford,some in search of work, some of both turning to crime with growing dismay.
So this is not intended and just me proofreading like shit (you can notice that in my posts in the thread too)
The sentence should have went like:
>Once employees were straying on the streets, hanging out with friends as best they could afford, in search of work, and another few turning to crime on growing dismay.
Is there anything wrong with the paragraph I originally posting with that redaction error out of view?

Purged the reddit spacing now give me (You)

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 05:07:20 2018 No.11994729
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got a book that can be read as great fantasy and maybe something more:
here is half the book in english: http://www.rodon.org/andreev/trotw.htm
full book: http://rozamira.org/rm/htm/index.html
1 page shortest description: http://www.rodon.org/brief
2 last links are in russuan but they autotranslate well, especially book itself

the smaller part of that book are called "books" in these links, but they are actually more like big chapters with few subchapters each

the parts that can be read as fantasy are books 3-12, with books 3-5 being worldbuilding, books 6-12 being actual story or collection of stories

it's like DnD or Warhammer fluff but more consistent and sometimes more epic

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 05:08:37 2018 No.11994732

>>11994713
>loitering
stationary action
>ambling
casual walking, while stray has a rugged quality to it denotative of poverty

I also work with a "balance of sophistication" philosophy, if I use too many uncommon words at once it starts looking like a word salad.

Compare
>Once employees were straying on the streets
>Once employees were ambling (on) the streets
It starts looking like logorrhea

I also really like cutting prepositions wherever possible since I saw the Victorians and precursors do it, it gives a really cursive feel to the text that I like so much, I'm not budging or giving this up. So long as it is internally consistent I view it as the reader's burden to get used to it to an extent.

wandering I already used when the protagonist flips TV channels ("flip" just came to me now and I didn't know another verb for that gesture, suppose I could revise the text on those grounds)
>stray from not stray on
I'm sure some bumfuck over 200 years ago did it so it's ok with me.

Compound words fucking suck dick in english and I hate them, they're only really tolerable in greek and latin because the very form of the words is more suited to it; Meaning that, latin is a more uniform language from our perspective while English is a muttification of several European language clusters and compound words in such a language are really dissonant.

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Anonymous Sat Oct 27 08:30:01 2018 No.11995058

>>11994407
sorry my friend but this is going to have to a no from me. you say you know english well but i tend to doubt this from the sentence constructions and word choices. there are dropped prepositions, mixed tenses, lack of flow, and a bunch of other general weirdness that sounds only like ESL. i don't have time for a word by word deconstruction because i have to get to work but i'd say your style gets in the way of clarity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 08:34:54 2018 No.11995066 File: 3 KB, 209x212, 1336744525253.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11994407 >I write like a schizo on 4chan because I'm lazy and I gave up on this shitty website, if you like good prose you will not be disappointed

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 09:12:26 2018 No.11995119 >>11989806 Never covers it, the whole of MLO just felt like he wanted the final book out of the way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 09:16:25 2018 No.11995126 File: 205 KB, 1920x1080, 1538793326784.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Damn 3rd worlders shitting up the thread.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 09:45:16 2018 No.11995168

>>11995126
Are you talking about the Americans? China bought and owns all of America's deficits, therefore Klapistan is a third world shithole.

>mfw almost all selfpublished books have the protagonists exiting America to another world to get fame and fortune
>mfw america is no longer the symbol of prosperity and "you can make it and live the dream"
Must feel bad for you Americlaps. It probably doesn't help that almost everyone and their grandma is writing post apocalyptic novels, and America is always a slaghole with rumours of "prosperity" in other lands.
You can't make this shit up.
>Egypt fell
>Rome fell
>tfw you will witness a fall in your lifetime

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 09:56:44 2018 No.11995194 >>11995168 Please go project somewhere else, yurokebab.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:04:18 2018 No.11995205

>>11995066
I posted the draft with errors and that created a confusion, I can't tell if they'd have liked the final product or not.

I'll link my account when I get around finishing the other episode I was talking about and I'll link them whole, the ideas make up for the style if you don't like the syncretism.

>>11995058
>dropped prepositions
intentional, nothing wrong with it, told you it sounds better to me even if it's difficult to get at a first glance
>mixed tenses
Where/what works better than that
>general weirdness that sounds like ESL
Sir Walter Scott and his fucking infinite adjectives would be ESL to your ass, besides that "botH" mistake you have told me nothing worthy of redaction in my text.

"Weirdness" is intentional and though it has room for improvement you don't seem to have what it takes to get better in the direction I'm headed.

>clarity
Not my goal, as long as it's internally consistent and legible to me and people who are willing to persist with difficult text. I'm going to write more actually in the works I plan to publish for a broader audience but out of everything you've reproached me only the mixed tenses seem like a concenr

I'm all open to what's wrong with the mixed tenses if anybody else can clarify me on that

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:05:42 2018 No.11995207 >>11995205 >to get it better in the direction I'm headed.*

dead thread Sat Oct 27 10:08:22 2018 No.11995212 [DELETED]

>owever, as the use of this beverage was then confined to the
higher ranks, Martha felt some vanity in being asked to partake of it;
and by dint of a great deal of sugar, many words scarce less sweet, and
abundance of toast and butter, she was sometimes prevailed upon to give
us her countenance. On other occasions, the servants almost unanimously
shunned the library after nightfall, because it was their foolish
pleasure to believe that it lay on the haunted side of the house. The
more timorous had seen sights and heard sounds there when all the rest of
the house was quiet; and even the young squires were far from having any
wish to enter these formidable precincts after nightfall without
necessity.

Is this mixed tenses and weirdness?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:23:39 2018 No.11995244 stop ruining the thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:27:57 2018 No.11995251 >>11994732 >I view it as the reader's burden I view you as the reader's burden

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:29:37 2018 No.11995255 >>11995244 >tell you to report me so janny deletes my post and maybe we could've started again >you don't >bitch and moan like it's not your fault >>11995251 your moms a burden

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:38:45 2018 No.11995276 File: 1.15 MB, 1000x720, Author Burglar.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I thought we got rid of the filthy idea thieves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:45:23 2018 No.11995287 We abided in complacent torpor. The miasmic stench of outer lit sickens our people and defiles the livestock.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:45:53 2018 No.11995289 >>11995287 abode or abid you fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:46:52 2018 No.11995292 >>11995289 gottem thanks

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:50:12 2018 No.11995301 [DELETED]

>>11995292
Wrong on both accounts on what I wrote earlier, abide is to tolerate, means something entirely fucking different, bided is indeed correct and that one means to linger somewhere

These are the fuckers telling me my writing's bad holy shit
If I were to unfuck the entire sentence of >>11995287 it'd go like
>We abided in complacent torpor. The miasmic stench of outer lit sickens our people and defiles the livestock.
>We bided idly, were haughty. The rank retch from the bounds of /lit/ plagues our people and defiles the livestock. (last three words weren't shit congratulations)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:51:05 2018 No.11995306 File: 22 KB, 450x447, safe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11995276 what ideas, lul

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:55:21 2018 No.11995321 File: 240 KB, 1171x531, 1486771729502.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Please leave and stop fondling my fresh thoughts and musings.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 11:00:58 2018 No.11995332

>>11995301
>abide is to tolerate
That was the intended meaning.
>These are the fuckers telling me my writing's bad holy shit
Do you now understand, my son?
>bounds of /lit/
Sorry, I should have put /outerlit/ to make the local meme more obvious.
>(last three words weren't shit congratulations)
I appreciate it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 11:05:13 2018 No.11995345 >>11995332 >we tolerated/acquiesced in complacent torpor Anon, please, if it feels clunky that's because it is. Best wishes to you anyways I know you weren't the tensesfag

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 11:38:30 2018 No.11995451 >>11995255 >mom The absolute state of /sffg/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 11:46:29 2018 No.11995472 You guys are cool, wanna critique an ESLfag? https://0bin.net/paste/RV4CaRTbeSNfXN3v#uT5ZtJ1lGvxSqf41-WackkDZafK/krZhvA+uwfjBphE

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 11:52:20 2018 No.11995484 Merdapostagem de lado, Bolsomeme vai diminuir tarifas alfandegárias ou não? Porque se sim vai dar merda.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:04:58 2018 No.11995532 >>11995484 you have to go back

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:33:06 2018 No.11995640
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Just read the Old Kingdom series of Garth Nix.

>good enough magic system
>good blend of magic and tech
>female protagonists with no feminazizm
>sometimes the plot develops too slowly
>has undead

Overall very easy to read and enjoyable although far from masterpiece.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:42:56 2018 No.11995672

Good easy to read SciFi?

I don't really know anything about physics principles and similar and feel kind of left out when I get bombarded by them in a book that takes it for granted you know them and doesn't explain. I want to read a book, not look up everything on wikipedia.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:46:51 2018 No.11995681

>>11995672
There's not that much sci-fi that's hard enough for the jargon to actually matter. Most of the time they're just bullshitting to add flavor. You might just look into the big names like Foundation, Dune, Hyperion, Culture and such, try anything that seems interesting but steer clear of authors that are sold as hard science fiction

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 12:48:39 2018 No.11995688 >>11995672 Asimov is very approachable, and his short stories can be read very quickly

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:28:58 2018 No.11995805

>>11995681
Dune is a dubious rec if he wants something that doesn't bombard you with jargon. It's not SCIENTIFIC jargon, but the first few chapters can almost read like gibberish to a first-time reader

It was surprising when, a few years later and having read all of the series, I came back to the first chapter and everything not only made perfect sense but was packed with foreshadowing

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:31:45 2018 No.11995819 >>11995672 What kind of sci-fi do you like. Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy is very easy when it comes to the science stuff and most of it is played for laughs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:34:21 2018 No.11995833 Anons, I want fantasy book with mom/son or aunt/nephew incest.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:43:48 2018 No.11995877

>>11995472
This is two paragraphs. Next time, link a full chapter, or at least 1k words or something.

Anyway, it's stiff and wordy, feels like you referenced the thesaurus in each sentence. Keep the writing simple and easy to understand. Plus, this isn't the place, go to a critique thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:45:13 2018 No.11995883 >>11995833 Go look at fan fiction or web novels

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:54:48 2018 No.11995924 >>11995877 Sorry I have to write a 200 word essay until the week after the next one so I'm kind of busy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:55:22 2018 No.11995929 >>11995877 thanks for reading and the input.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 14:01:14 2018 No.11995939 >>11995833 Time Enough for Love. It's long as fuck and really not that good but the part where he seduce his mother is great.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:01:00 2018 No.11996168 File: 88 KB, 334x334, 1527630183073.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] thoughts on mistborn vol 1?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:26:36 2018 No.11996271 >>11996168 I gave it 1 out of 5 stars on goodreads.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:43:19 2018 No.11996332

opinion on this idea /sffg/

>story about a school for mad scientists
>enrollment is mandatory for anyone who develops mad scientist tendencies, but tuition costs over 100k a year
>as a result students are forced to either take out student loans and spend a lifetime in debt, achieve fabulous wealth early on, or engage in costumed supervillainy
>the school also has a long-running rivalry with the nearby school of witchcraft and wizardry

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:44:19 2018 No.11996334 >>11996332 >story about a school for mad scientists And I stopped reading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:45:48 2018 No.11996338 >>11996332 Reddit should love this

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:52:30 2018 No.11996358 File: 962 KB, 4342x2826, 1540334380678.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11996332 That's pretty bad anon.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:53:47 2018 No.11996365

>>11991057
Sounds more like you're just impatient. I prefer stories that go slow and let me spend some time with the characters and setting, getting to know them. If you find a long series that you enjoy reading then that's just more time you can spend being immersed in something you like. I'm not into reading just for super compact story arcs, that's what TV is for.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:55:22 2018 No.11996373
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Don't judge me, but I'm looking for books about vampires. My standards are very low, for reference: I thought Twilight was quite alright. The writing quality doesn't matter tremendously as long as the atmosphere and world are to my liking.
Any recommendations?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:57:32 2018 No.11996385 >>11996373 /lgbt/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:58:24 2018 No.11996386 >>11996332 That legitimately sound like a terrible Harry Potter/Girl Genius crossover fanfiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:01:54 2018 No.11996405 >>11996373 Anne Rice Children of the Night by Dan Simmons Blindsight by Peter Watts

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:07:42 2018 No.11996432 >>11996373 Throne of Glass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:13:45 2018 No.11996455 >>11996373 Try the Dark Ages VTM books. Judging by your picture you'll get a lot of mileage out of those. I liked the Tremere and the Ventrue ones best. You can find them on rpg.rem.uz I'm pretty sure.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:13:52 2018 No.11996457

>>11996373
https://www.amazon.com/Unattractive-Vampire-Jim-McDoniel-ebook/dp/B01BNFF55A

its pretty great. more on the comedy side of things but in a nutshell its OG vamp gramps wakes up in modern times and finds out all the modern vamps are pretty boys and wusses. hilarity ensues.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:22:54 2018 No.11996485

>>11996334
>>11996338
>>11996358
>>11996386

I know the entire "school for X" thing is painful garbage. that's actually why I was thinking about this idea in particular.

sff schools are almost universally deeply unrealistic places, teaching a curriculum so highly specialized its nonsensical, and dealing with tests and conflicts that are as far from education as you can possibly get.

The idea was to take the idea and flesh it out into something that could actually reasonably exist rather than being a half-baked excuse to put kids with magic powers together, and then to draw the conflicts from real problems in the world's most infamous education system.

once you get down to the biggest issue with American education - the ridiculous cost of tuition - you have a better catalyst for conflict then any generic Dark Lord

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:29:00 2018 No.11996507 >>11996332 I like it anon!! When do I read it? Does it have superheroes too? Are the products of the magic school, or their own science school.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:30:29 2018 No.11996515 File: 126 KB, 1920x1080, tired of your shard, Shit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11996271 you thoroughly disappoint me

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:31:30 2018 No.11996520 >>11996373 Carpe Jugulum

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:32:36 2018 No.11996524 >>11996168 thoroughly shallow book

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:34:04 2018 No.11996530

>>11995194
They're not wrong tho.
We're in for a Depression soon because the annoying orange added $2 trillion to our deficit without cutting costs. The stupid fucking tariffs aren't helping either.
I give it two-years, tops, before the cracks appear in the foundation. Once that happens our economic situation gets dire very quickly.
It's not sustainable.
Plus we have a student loan bubble, and that's going to pop soon too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:35:37 2018 No.11996535 >>11996168 Fun

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 16:53:46 2018 No.11996580
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>>11996535
Thank you for your kind word anon, you get a gummy bear!
>>11996271
>>11996524
These anons get no gummy bear. I'll be summoning a pair of fine young men to speak with you both shortly. Please remain at home to answer your door when they knock. They will be instructed not to return to the compound until they have completed their task. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and good day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 17:39:04 2018 No.11996739 >>11996405 >>11996432 >>11996455 >>11996457 >>11996520 Thank you, my negroes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 18:32:43 2018 No.11996946 Any first contact fiction where the aliens are nice?

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 18:56:16 2018 No.11997032

>>11995205
>you don't seem to have what it takes to get better in the direction I'm headed.
My dude, I have zero intention of going your way. Sorry but I wouldn't want to read more that's in your style. Good luck with your writing tho. Just realize that as a writer you are going to get criticism from beta readers, readers, and agents and editors if you try the traditional publishing route. If you try self-pub I hope you can find your audience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:15:39 2018 No.11997080 >>11995205 ahaha this uppity ESL mother fucker thinks he's going to get published sounding like an uppity ESL mother fucker good luck bud, maybe you should just stick to german or whatever you're more comfortable with

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 19:21:32 2018 No.11997103 >>11996946 Childhood's End.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:28:51 2018 No.11997345 [DELETED]

Where do I download book pdfs from? Rarely I can just google "title pdf" and it gets me a link, but most of the time that just doesn't work. Is there some big site for downloading pdfs or do I just have to manually dig through these sketchy shit sites to find one?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:37:40 2018 No.11997381 >>11997345 Usually one would ready the sticky to find out such things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:41:29 2018 No.11997398 >>11997381 I'm embarrassed, thank you.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 20:51:11 2018 No.11997428

>>11997398
the sticky is outdated in many ways.
go to mobilism.org if you want an easy way. just register and use the search. mobilism specializes in ebooks and phone apps.
or go to undernets or irchighwways #ebooks channels. most of the time the irc channels will have the books first but they usually show up within a few ours after on mobilism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:41:54 2018 No.11997609 >>11996373 Sookie Stackhouse and Anita Blake for urban fantasy vampires. I assume you read Anne Rice. The Passage and I am Legend if post-apocalyptic vampires are okay.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:43:48 2018 No.11997617

>>11989883
This child-like curiosity of exploring a new and wondrous world is what makes me like Fantasy in the first place. I don't have any recommendations though since I've stuck to SF for way too long.

Maybe ask around for works that invoke the specific feelings and thoughts you feel are the core of fantasy for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 22:20:44 2018 No.11997731 >>11989883 Lirael although technically YA is so comfy because its just about exploring an interesting world. The grimdark politics meme can be fun but I wish it wasn't so pervasive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 22:22:11 2018 No.11997738 File: 81 KB, 675x666, 1482276458271.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just finished my latest chink novel. What wuxiakino should I read next?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 22:45:08 2018 No.11997808 >>11996365 >Sounds more like you're just impatient. If you don't think bloat is an issue in modern EPIC FANTASY then you need to call 911 because you are clearly suffering from a severe head injury.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 22:45:30 2018 No.11997809 >>11997738 Renegade Immortal or Desolate Era

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 23:06:27 2018 No.11997856 >>11987376 Fag

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 23:07:19 2018 No.11997858 >>11997809 ty, ive read DE already so ill try Renegade

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 23:31:12 2018 No.11997913 >tfw you realize none of your requests on mobilism will be filled

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 23:34:23 2018 No.11997919 >>11997913 you could just buy a book and support the author

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 23:35:32 2018 No.11997920 >>11997919 That's not the issue. I want the book on my hard drive as an epub or mobi file.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 00:12:15 2018 No.11998024 >>11995321 >not jealously guarding your ideas in your own head

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 01:17:40 2018 No.11998213 >>11996373 The Last Werewolf has some vamps in it

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 02:31:49 2018 No.11998398 >>11995640 I enjoyed these too, doggo best character.

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 03:55:15 2018 No.11998566

>>11993233
I've been on a Reynolds binge myself. House of Suns and Pushing Ice are my favorites. Revelation Space was pretty all over the place, but I'll forgive him since it was his first book. Terminal World and Revenger both had better characterization and development than his earlier ones, but at the same time there wasn't enough of a deep dive into his sci-fi ideas that he fully explores in his earlier books. Just simple hints and nudges towards them, which was very unsatisfying. I'm about to start reading Redemption Ark, which I hope I'll enjoy. I feel like since it's his first universe, he threw in all of his ideas at once, I just hope it stay focused enough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 04:19:52 2018 No.11998595 >>11998566 What's your favourite Reynolds book so far?

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 04:33:06 2018 No.11998611

>>11998595
If I had to pick one, I'd say Pushing Ice, followed by House of Suns. Ice is a sort of survival story, which is a very interesting setting for his kind of sci-fi, but by the end of the book, all of the big sci fi ideas justify it. It also has honestly the most bat insane alien race I've read before. You'll know what I'm taking about it if you read it.

House of Suns was very good too, very bold ideas and a very hard-sci fi world too. It also is absolutely full of machine intelligence characters, which I personally find to be Alistar Reynolds biggest asset. He writes his robot characters in such a way that I find very compelling. Very composed and compassionate in a way that only a machine intelligence could become. Those characters are usually always my favorite parts about his books, which is also why I was dissapointed in Revenger so much, since it was wasted potential..

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 05:09:46 2018 No.11998673 File: 1.40 MB, 2840x1900, 1539630716145.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread hasn't discussed anything interesting past two days minimum.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 05:21:37 2018 No.11998695 >>11998673 let's start with your life, then. oh wait.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 05:43:59 2018 No.11998722 File: 71 KB, 962x683, 1530639076060.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11998695 Please don't project your insecurities on strangers anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 05:44:28 2018 No.11998723 Anyone here actually read Schismatrix?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:17:26 2018 No.11998948 WE BEGIN ANEW >>11998944 >>11998944 >>11998944 >>11998944

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:31:33 2018 No.11998990

>>11996332
opinion on this idea /sffg/

>story about a forced labor camp for whites
>internment is mandatory for anyone whiter than 5%, but sustenance is not provided
>as a result, inmates are forced to either work in harsh conditions for no reward and spend a lifetime in misery, take their own lives early on, or engage in rebellion and be sent to the gas chambers
>the camp also has a long-running rivalry with the nearby school of witchcraft and wizardy

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 07:32:35 2018 No.11998996 >>11996946 Way Station.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 10:06:27 2018 No.11999434 >>11987554 “Inspiration will come, but it must find you working.”

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 11:34:27 2018 No.11999711 >>11987774 I like the Dahak trilogy

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