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11958533 No.11958533 [Reply] [Original]

Can we make meter and rhyme cool again?

>> No.11958540

>>11958533
I wrote some metred rhyme just last night anon. 8 years ago when i started writing poetry I wrote in completely lifeless free verse, because I had read basically no poetry. Over the course of years my poems naturally adopted rhythm and rhyme. I still have read barely any poetry to this day but I've written literally thousands of poems

>> No.11958543

The older I get the more I think poetry without rhyme or meter isn't really poetry at all. It's just pressing enter at the wrong moments

>> No.11958654

>>11958540
Can I read it

>> No.11958664

>>11958654
it's at my other apartment unfortunately, I wrote it on paper.

>> No.11958692
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11958692

Poetry at the very least should have a sense of rhythm and wholeness to it. If you read Wallace Stevens, he's writing in free verse but his poems nonetheless feel like poems. It's night and day comparing him to some 21st century "poets." I myself have written a lot of metered poetry, and I've just recently moved into free verse. I find free verse very challenging because you want to give it a sense of rhythm but you don't have the usual tools at your disposal. But so many modern "poets" don't care about any of that, and just think free verse is about breaking something into verse that would normally just be written as a paragraph of prose.

>> No.11958707

>>11958533
I think that to go back to rhyme and metre we'd have to find someway to still acknowledge the aesthetic successes of the free verse poets. I don't think we're ever gonna come to a point where any large number of people will be willing to look back on free verse as a pure aesthetic failure, because it wasn't. But more people than you might think are willing to consider that free verse is a development that's very obviously run it's course. What we need is some kind of way to sublimate its critique of traditional form into our renewal of that traditional form, otherwise we're just ignoring one hundred years of flawed but interesting modernist poetry, which came out of a period when traditional verse and metre poetry was genuinely stagnant and losing its grounding in the world

>> No.11958710

no

>> No.11958714

>>11958710
this post is a poem

>> No.11958727

>>11958692
I think someone like Stevens was raised in a 'metred' environment if that makes sense. He will have learned metre inside out and then decided to break the rules, like Picasso mastering conventional painting before branching out. The poets that came after were writing free verse but without the discipline or poetic hinterland that a strict metrical upbringing would have given them. Or to try another metaphor, the great jazz musicians had to completely master all the scales and the other music theory before they could freak out and play free jazz.

>> No.11958738

>>11958727
>I think someone like Stevens was raised in a 'metred' environment if that makes sense. He will have learned metre inside out and then decided to break the rules,
see also Rimbaud, and why all the retards who dont even know greek and latin that ape him fail so miserably

>> No.11958741

>>11958714
yeah why not

>> No.11958784

>>11958741
because if i said your post was a painting, then every other post in this thread, indeed very post on this site, could also be a painting, and that wouldnt make paintings very valuable objects would it?

>> No.11958814

>>11958727
>>11958738
So, clearly, the answer for making better poets, better painters, better musicians, etc. is all the same: learn the rules before you break them.

Unfortunately so many people these days seem to believe there are no rules at all.

>> No.11958828

>>11958727
I think this is the most important point. To elegantly subvert, deconstruct, or innovate, you first need intimate knowledge of the subject. It goes for any field, really; you can't innovate in a vaccuum.

>> No.11958832

>>11958814
I actually prefer Rimbaud's metred rhyme to his free verse. Le Bateau Ivre is one of the masterpieces of Western poetry imo

>> No.11959099

Not without a new innovation