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[Anonymous No.11939498]

Friendly reminder that you don't read to enrich life, you live life to enrich reading. Likewise art is not there to facilitate a healthy civilization, a healthy civilization is there to facilitate art. If you disagree and put the cart before the horse, you ARE an npc.

[Anonymous No.11939502]

so this is the power of aesthetics in the 21st century

[Anonymous No.11939507]

>>11939502
Aesthetics as primary virtue is the only non-retarded perspective

[Anonymous No.11939514]

>>11939498
>a healthy civilization is there to facilitate art
Extremely good opinion.

[Anonymous No.11939535]

>>11939498
I think it's more codependent than just one influencing the other. Art can help you live life and life can help create art.

[Anonymous No.11939560]

>>11939514
We're not discussing dependencies, we're discussing purpose(or what ought to be the purpose). A hammer exists to impale the nail. Sure, more hammers get produced because of nails, but that doesn't change that hammers are strictly there to serve the function of nails. Likewise, art might serve society, but the only value of society is in so far as it serves art.

[Anonymous No.11939564]

>>11939560
Meant for >>11939535

[Anonymous No.11939569]

>>11939498
Do you have an explanation for why all three political ideologies produce so atrocious art and architecture?

Science, religion, God, egalitarianism, humanism, women, jews..? What was the defining change in perspective?

[Anonymous No.11939582]

>>11939507
i wasn't disagreeing with you. in fact i'm of the same opinion. the only immortality for men or cultures is in their written works. ask yourself: what does the future want to hear about its ancestors.

what about one generation from now... what would our children have wanted us to have said in our time? the long night of post-collapse is coming, and only dingbats like nick land have commented on it.

pic related was making fantasy films in my lifetime about bipedal, ambulatory killer robots with facial recognition software. this is our current reality.

[Anonymous No.11939589]

>>11939569
ideology is a substitute for a soul

[Anonymous No.11939869]

>>11939498
That's a fundamentally introspective view of human nature that I can't quite agree with. Good art exemplifies and emphasizes the good in life, certainly, but it is not a good end in isolation.
A healthy civilization exists to facilitate art, sure, but that you live life to enrich reading is inaccurate.
>>11939507
The pursuit of the aesthetic is, as you say, the only proper course, but it's not just in art. We perceive it in art, and art directs the self to better appreciate it in life as well.

[Ritalinbot !lPBEC3h5wM No.11939904]

>>11939498
You are right. For a long time I had been foolish enough that I could replace my lack of sensory experience and real-life experiences through reading and escapism. It was a terrible error. It can't replace anything. That's why Ludwig Wittgenstein said, "Don't think, but look", and Nabokov told us that reading without experiences is ultimately useless.

My life was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.11939949]

>>11939535
>Art can help you live life and life can help create art

This is so fucking wrong it's not even funny

[Anonymous No.11940077]

>>11939498
I'm not sure if I agree, a lot of the best experiences of my life have been from experiencing a deep connection with another person, or my environment (hiking/camping/urbex), or my own body (exercise). The idea of art without lived experience just seems sad

I've been thinking maybe the best artforms are those that have a 1:1 correspondence to "real life", like playing music, or being in a building or other architectural space (or even video games?).

[Anonymous No.11940276]

>>11939498
>Likewise art is not there to facilitate a healthy civilization, a healthy civilization is there to facilitate art

Terence McKenna said

Art should be what civilization is...

>pic
>http://www.matrixmasters.net/podcasts/TRANSCRIPTS/TMcK-InValleyNoveltyPt01_html_m3b8b9efe.jpg
>CC BY-NC-SA 3.0
>creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/

[Anonymous No.11940309]

i agree for once

[Anonymous No.11940962]

>>11940077
By the logic of OP you're wrong to weigh the importance of art based on what has been tye best moments of life. Rather, your best m0ments in life should be the ones that facilitated art

[Stop posting anime !QkRJTXcpFI No.11940967]

>>11939498
So very deep.
Now eat shit and die.

[Anonymous No.11941300]

>>11940967
Please don't be rude