/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11928909]

Is this the moment Peterson jumped the shark?

[Anonymous No.11928970]

>>11928909
It was cider.

[Anonymous No.11928981]

>>11928909
>Peterson
who?

[Anonymous No.11929015]

>>11928981
Huh?

[Anonymous No.11929017]

>>11929015
...?

[Anonymous No.11929022]

>Jordan Peterson
Just gonna leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1LhcEh8Ms

[Anonymous No.11929027]

>>11929022
Please keep "Cuck Philosophy" in Reddit.

[Anonymous No.11929028]

Peterson lost credibility on 4chan weeks ago, but I suspect his true destruction will not come for a while yet. There are still plenty of normalfags who take him seriously. I feel like he hasn't been completely and totally BTFO yet, not in a way that matters to people offline.

[Anonymous No.11929029]

>>11929022
>cuck philosophy
>watching others love wisdom

[Anonymous No.11929036]

>>11928909
What a nice gig for Peterson lately. Freed from teaching, living off donations from a cultish fanbase, and having all the media attention he could never get as some unknown psychology professor at UofT. All he had to do was make some bullshit about compelled speech and voila.

[Anonymous No.11929060]

>>11929027
>>11929029
Wow, not a single argument. Good job!

[Anonymous No.11929061]

>>11929036
He has eyes on politics. This isn't over yet

[Anonymous No.11929063]

>>11929060
I'm not here to argue. I'm here to tell you to put that where it belongs: Reddit.

[Anonymous No.11929072]

>>11929063
At least give me something. Why should we dismiss a decent criticism of this guy's interpretation just because you consider it "Reddit"?

[Anonymous No.11929076]

>>11929072
I'll repeat: I'm not here to argue.

[Anonymous No.11929085]

>>11929076
Go fuck yourself then, you daft cunt, if you're not here to discuss anything.

[Anonymous No.11929086]

>>11929085
Calm down. Reddit might be more conducive to your mindset.

[Anonymous No.11929087]

>>11929086
owned

[Anonymous No.11929091]

>>11929086
>post on imageboard
>don't want to engage in any interaction
Are you sure you're in the right place?

[Anonymous No.11929092]

>>11929028
>I feel like he hasn't been completely and totally BTFO yet, not in a way that matters to people offline.
Zizek agreed to debate him (a debate in which Peterson would have been totally destroyed) and they even set a date to do it, but Peterson's team cancelled and has since been snubbing Zizek every time he tries to remind them of rescheduling of their previously agreed upon debate. Peterson appeared on the Joe Rogan Podcast after cancelling the Zizek debate claiming "Marxists are all afraid to debate me" while simultaneously ignoring Zizek, undeniably the most renowned Marxist philosopher alive today.

The issue is Peterson needs to be criticized by someone as popular as he is or the criticism won't gain traction, he has already been destroyed countless times by countless people but their lack of popularity means they are just swept aside and ignored, and I think Peterson knows that which is why he is not engaging with any detractors that are actually popular enough to bring his temple of bullshit crumbling down.

[Anonymous No.11929094]

>>11928909
It was when he went from being "internet popular" to "old media popular" and only watched by boomers and therefore irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11929095]

>>11929091
>>don't want to engage in any interaction
Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion.

[Anonymous No.11929099]

I think Peterson's only real significance is that he shakes the foundations of those radical militant atheist types online. I don't think he's a hack like many people, he's obviously very smart and very well read. But other than the religion and Jungian stuff, he's just a generic neoliberal really.

[Anonymous No.11929100]

you belong to reddit u psuedo jew cunt

[Anonymous No.11929101]

>>11929028
>weeks ago
more recently he said Kavanaugh should step down which lost a lot of support from his side who supported him because Peterson was getting unfairly accused too.

[Anonymous No.11929107]

>>11929095
I'll refer you to
>>11929072

But if you just feel like just dismissing things without explaining your views, I'll go do something else.

And yes, "go to reddit ebic" responses fall into that category.

[Anonymous No.11929112]

>>11929099
He is not at all well read, it very obviously shows when he talks about his "Post-Modernism" bogeyman.

[Anonymous No.11929114]

>>11929107
>I'll go do something else.
Please do. Might I suggest posting on Reddit?

[Anonymous No.11929144]

>>11929086

hahahahahah

yes master, yes

u fuckin owned that cunt

pull out ur hog master so that i mite suckle at its urethra

[Anonymous No.11929148]

>>11929092
He can squirm like an eel and is verbose enough to pretend to escape. The 'debate' format is fit only for blood thirsty dumb fans that want 'ownage'.

[Anonymous No.11929149]

>>11929144
you're deranged, mate

[Anonymous No.11929171]

This thread is so perfectly /lit/ it should be archived.

[Anonymous No.11929174]

I love how much he upsets communists.

[Anonymous No.11929177]

>>11929174
I love how he makes people with >130 iq feel important and happy being wageslaves

[Anonymous No.11929192]

>>11929148
>The 'debate' format is fit only for blood thirsty dumb fans that want 'ownage'.
And that is the only thing Peterson actually engages in, ultimately, all of his "lectures" too are just debates with imaginary strawmen he safely constructs then disassembles. Neither him nor his fans will be phased by a typical written deconstruction of the foundation of his batshit "philosophy" because they don't/can't read and have no desire to engage in anything other than brainless pop philosophy sensationalism.

[Anonymous No.11929194]

>>11929177
> >130 iq
literal geniuses?

[Anonymous No.11929196]

>>11929194
no typo, other way around

[Anonymous No.11929215]

>>11929177
Retard

[Anonymous No.11929217]

>>11929177
beyond the meme, how true is this for the general awareness of the public? i know not falling for media hype doesnt guarantee you a high iq. still i often wonder how people view figures like these that is not aware of the internet autism cabal. is lit just oversocialized or is this the realistic general climate of the 'intellectual' sphere?

[Anonymous No.11929218]

>>11929192
He seemed pretty upset by that Pankaj Mishra piece. Read it it's pretty fun

[Anonymous No.11929236]

>>11929061
hopefully he wont ruin the conservatives or Maxime Bernier. As much as I disagree with them they deserve better.

[Anonymous No.11929242]

>>11929215
lol it was a typo calm down
>>11929217
>still i often wonder how people view figures like these that is not aware of the internet autism cabal. is lit just oversocialized or is this the realistic general climate of the 'intellectual' sphere?
Not clear what you're really asking, the general public is less intelligent than internet circles like /lit/ and its affiliated mediums. They fall for shit like this near constantly, you have people like Musk and Tyson, Pinker and Krause, Kurzweil who say absolutely insane or vacuous shit and people with college degrees lap it up like hot cum on fire island. Its really typical for humans in large groups to congregate around sort of intelligent and charismatic leaders who co-opt other people's ideas. If this isn't what you were asking sorry just not very concise. I guess just to be thorough, what I mean is that he appeals to people at bad colleges and who work dead end jobs and want to know what's wrong with them, and why they aren't getting laid or moving up the SES ladder, he assumes paternal authority gives them a clearly delineated strategy which they, having no idea why they are the way they are immediately latch onto (having no reference point) and then he leads them into blindly accepting instruction from institutional power and himself. Peterson wisely appeals to corporate hierarchies of the 20th century, stripped down socialized Christianity and a mixture of Jungian analysis and again stripped down existentialism because they're all really convincing and accessible. You don't really have to learn any skills to become sublated into those bodies of thought and action, you can just consent and give your subconscious to them and before long you're a cog in that machinery, there's really no way of going wrong you'll get a paycheck, you'll have an answer for the afterlife, you know who to listen to and you are constantly working away at a mindless but seemingly depth provoking task which is "self actualization or knowledge" or whatever other shit that they want to pick up. If you are a bit smarter or angrier then racialism or iq fetishism will follow but all the same within easily followed lines of logic which guide you through your day. He makes an all purpose tool of the gaping hole in people's psyche, a lack of nomos, and that's pretty fucking ingenious. Just you know kind of psychopathic and poisonous to those poor incel retards who follow him.

[Anonymous No.11929244]

>>11929112
except he's not at all inaccurate in his diagnosing of the problem which has afflicted the entire academy

he's a pop figure, he doesn't have to make page references to foucault ffs

[Anonymous No.11929279]

>>11929242
even further showing how much of a retard you are

[Anonymous No.11929307]

>>11929242
>and that's pretty fucking ingenious
Nah, he tries to convince himself as much as the poor retards that clap him. He's self medicating throufh his little cult, he is not very conscious of the process like a demagogue would be

[Anonymous No.11929327]

>>11929242
I agree mostly. I still keep coming back to comparing what 'academics' really are. Or how do you gauge that kind of competency. If random shitposters on a yemeni backscratcher store can spot his bullshit why cant his contemporaries? Are they aware of how full of shit he is and just dont care? I guess what im wondering is where do you find the academic integrity outside of the internet autism. It is also true that real smart people are above this and keep to themselves.

[Anonymous No.11929330]

>>11929244
>except he's not at all inaccurate in his diagnosing of the problem which has afflicted the entire academy
It is entirely inaccurate, because he does not ever rigorously define this "post-modernism" he is talking about. The fact of the matter is post-modern thought is unbelievably broad, and using it as an umbrella term for whatever PC LGBT SJW bullshit acronyms he is criticizing on any given occasion is not just dictionary definition inaccurate, but I believe it to be intentionally obscured so he can more easily cover his ass if he ever says something stupid (which happens very often).

>he's a pop figure, he doesn't have to make page references to foucault ffs
I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that this guy firstly is an actual academic, secondly prides himself as an intellectual, and thirdly LITERALLY cites Foucault in his lectures without having even an inkling as to what Foucault's work pertains to. All of these things in mind, yes he absolutely does need to be rigorous otherwise he is not even a pop philosopher but a total fucking charlatan, a fucking fraud.

[Anonymous No.11929370]

>>11929242
What's wrong with them?

[Anonymous No.11929389]

>>11929022
Why would a ledditor actually call their channel Cuck Philosophy and expect anyone to follow or care

[Anonymous No.11929390]

>>11929177
God this board a cesspool of teenage pseuds.

[Anonymous No.11929405]

>>11929279
oh i get why you were upset
>>11929307
Maybe, I mean I think he might just like attention and enjoy having a steady 6-figure income.
>>11929327
>why cant his contemporaries?
Peterson isn't really taken too seriously in academic psychology or religious studies, or philosophy.
>Are they aware of how full of shit he is and just dont care? I guess what im wondering is where do you find the academic integrity outside of the internet autism. It is also true that real smart people are above this and keep to themselves.
Smart people tend to be working in academia publishing papers or in the private sector, they're not on YouTube or these gay lecture circuits promoting themselves. You're sort of confining all of the intellectual endeavor to just Peterson, Pinker and whoever else is vaguely affiliated with them. But, most smart people are in STEM not the humanities.
>>11929370
With who? The public? Its just iq distribution, they tend to be dull witted and humans are social animals. Do the math.
>>11929390
Are u mad?

[Anonymous No.11929416]

>>11929405
I just wish people here would have more self awareness and humility.

[Anonymous No.11929448]

>>11929416
>self awareness
Oh have lots of that, just no time for foppery or pretentions about doing any kind of intellectual labor here.
>humility
Well I mean if someone is a retarded con artist, and the anons you're addressing seem to be a bit slow, do you think that poetic diction, rigorous analysis and fiery, spirited discussion is really warranted or just simplistic mechanical responses? Why would you waste time showing off here or putting even the vaguest amount of thought into replies? Being flippant and intuitive is much better, it suits me fine.

[Anonymous No.11929453]

>>11929028
>weeks
Try at least a year

[Anonymous No.11929458]

>>11929330
t. philosophy grad student who will never in his life make as much money as peterson has in the last year

[Anonymous No.11929464]

CLEAN

[Anonymous No.11929478]

>>11929464
Honestly the "wash your penis" meme seems to have taken a huge bite out of Peterson's credibility on 4chan. It's the perfect Peterson meme. It's such a stupid, shitty thing to say, but it also seems like something you could envision him actually saying if you squint at him a bit.

[Anonymous No.11929487]

>>11929458
the absolute state

[Anonymous No.11929492]

>>11929086
But Reddit is where they give non-arguements like you...

[Anonymous No.11929499]

>>11929492
You couldn't be more wrong. Reddit is the place most obsessed with debate and making "arguments." I don't begrudge you though. I wouldn't expect someone who came to this site in the 2010s understand that.

[Anonymous No.11929517]

This is what needs to happen, normalize his ideas. The intellectuals that feel that Peterson is *theirs* to defend from “normies” must not truly embrace his ideas. This is a good thing for the culture.

Dr. Oz if a fraud and also a bad person for pushing expensive bullshit on moms but it’s the moms we need to bring around to our side. It’s easy to see this, and Peterson knows it. What “Nazi “ would go on this show? He bent his critics over and raped their cherry red holes when he did this.

[Anonymous No.11929522]

That's what happens when someone or something become popular

>>11929086
ur a epic badass man

[Anonymous No.11929526]

>>11929092
You can't really debate Zizek because he's talking through you. Naturally he's trying as hard as he can to reschedule because he wants that free money that he knows a debate with Peterson will generate for him. Nothing wrong with that but Zizek is not on the same level of notoriety. Vast majority of people cannot tell you what Zizek's outlook boils down to (except sniffling) and so he can never be as popular. Zizek is going to be doing everything he can to remain relevant in the next few years because what he's on now isn't working for him.

[Anonymous No.11929536]

>>11929405
It's easy to go on as the man without empathy, the retard intellectual, the cynic. Especially here. I imagine you feel pretty comfortable just going on and on. This place is full of your types. Go ahead and cast me in the bucket with the rest of the Peterson boys though. Retard

[Anonymous No.11929554]

>>11929536
>this place is full of your types
Maybe, haven't seen really anyone here like me before. CUNT is good though, ask him about all this.
>no empathy
Eh it varies from day to day, today no I feel nothing for you or any other human on this Earth.
>cynical
Kynical anon.

You know you can just read Nietzsche, Dostoyevsky, Jung etc and you'll have graduated to the status of barely human from slouching slime monkey of the machinic bog right?

[Anonymous No.11929558]

>>11929499
Not an argument :^)

[Anonymous No.11929665]

>>11929554
>Maybe, haven't seen really anyone here like me before. CUNT is good though, ask him about all this.
you're a special boy, anon
>Eh it varies from day to day, today no I feel nothing for you or any other human on this Earth.
damn...
>Kynical anon
how's your gf?

It'll be some kind of day when you have a conviction to be an understanding man, but you're of course allowed this early existence of self righteous masturbation. Sorry I called you retard :(

[Anonymous No.11929684]

>>11929086
Epic

[Anonymous No.11929697]

>>11928909

[Anonymous No.11929773]

>>11929405
im talking about us when i say internet autism. ya sure got that ol leaf bucko

[Anonymous No.11929784]

>>11929773
We aren't rigorous or high integrity anon, people here believe batshit retarded stuff like Schizoanalysis, Psychoanalysis, Hegelian thought, Kantian thought, Landian thought, and then we have the Schmittian psychopaths and the /pol/ hive mind, its just that we spend all day online and are constantly perusing smarter people's critiques of the very subjects that the predatory demagogues appropriate and wield over the illiterate public's heads but we're really not too bright. I am, but not the general population here, is what I mean.
>>11929665
Yes, there are always a few people who are special, does this irk you because you've never been called special by anyone besides your parents and gf's?
>how's the gf
I don't do gf's or intimates, significant others or anything like that.

[Anonymous No.11929812]

>>11929784
all you said was 'all dat ideologies bad i dont agree wid so me smart' pretty high effort typing for bait. so what do you consider nonretarded thought?

[Anonymous No.11929817]

Juden Patreonstein

[Anonymous No.11929820]

>>11929086
upvoted sir

[Anonymous No.11929825]

>>11929812
Well no its just schizoanlysis, psychoanalysis, idealist philosophy and neo-futurist social darwinist LARP'ing is all in violation of the principles and assumptions of physicalism, I don't think they're true because of that specifically.
>what is nonretarded
poetry and math I suppose, probably Ted K's thought or someone like Hume, maybe a modified Heideggarianism with concessions made to science. I'm not really sure anymore if there is any coherent body of philosophical speculation that's not extremely toxic to the mind.

[Anonymous No.11929827]

>>11929817
>advocating for your own mental serfdom

[Anonymous No.11929852]

i'm from reddit and there's nothing you can do about it

[Anonymous No.11929856]

>>11929825
for what it is worth, the landian crowd are the ones who are at least reading ted k and heidegger. the neon speed party will soon come down. theres lots of larpers but you cant deny theres some who get the grit

[Anonymous No.11929893]

>>11929825
>>11929784

Psychoanalysis is just a psychotherapy method that assumes we have unconscious and tries to access it or restore its function through re-relating. It's nothing mysterious and we will need hundreds of years to reach the point of these interventions to the mind through traditional medicine.

[Anonymous No.11929934]

>>11929022
this guy literally uses the Hegel to try and explain the Incel phenomenon. He is a cookie cutter post modernist who doesn't believe in biology.

[Anonymous No.11929999]

>>11929060
posting a video link isn't an argument either. since you aren't willing to invest more than a few seconds into your b8, why would anyone take the time to respond seriously, fag?

[Anonymous No.11930064]

>>11929099
>Peterson's only real significance is that he shakes the foundations of those radical militant atheist types online
the only thing he's shaking is the magic money tree of incel idiots and internet retards who watch too much joe rogan experience

[Anonymous No.11930111]

>>11928909
Whoever chooses money/image over truth can go rope himself

[Anonymous No.11930214]

>>11929022
>Cuck Philosophy

[Anonymous No.11930300]

>>11929028
>not in a way that matters to people offline
He never mattered to people offline in the first place

[Anonymous No.11930309]

He jumped the ship writing Maps of Meaning. Then he did again betraying Faith. Then he did again betraying Kavanaugh and the entire right. He's basically universally reviled by this point, by both the right and and the left.

I still like his personality lectures.

[Anonymous No.11930323]

Huh, I obviously missed 4chan turning against this guy. I swear there used to be anons earnestly defending him, now all I see is criticism and memes. What happened?

[Anonymous No.11930334]

>>11930323
It was pretty much only that tripfag december doing it (glad she’s gone)

[Anonymous No.11930344]

>>11930309
Same, he's by no means a great, revolutionary intellectual, what things of value he has to say are for the most part firmly rooted in an existentialist/pragmatist/secular transcendentalist tradition, but that doesn't invalidate the ideas he is presenting.

>>11930323
Instead of limiting himself to talking about psychology and maybe existential implications of psychology, peterson has been running his mouth on all kinds of topics he's uneducated on, and this has given lefties who specialize in those topics an angle for 'debunking' petersons entire body of work. It's his own fault though, he overstepped his bounds.

[Anonymous No.11930345]

>>11929086
based oldfag
keep the redditors in their place

[Anonymous No.11930348]

>>11929999

[Anonymous No.11930372]

>>11930323
/lit/ has always seen JBP as a charlatan and used to like making fun of how he misuses Heidegger/Nietzsche/Derrida etc because he either is too stupid to understand them or because he hasn't read them despite talking about them. But I see the standard of discussion has gone down now that he attracted pseud fanboys and pseud detractors to every thread.

[Anonymous No.11930383]

>>11929148
>The 'debate' format is fit only for blood thirsty dumb fans that want 'ownage'.
which they never get because debates are clumsy unconvincing affairs most of the time

[Anonymous No.11930386]

>>11929196
lmao

[Anonymous No.11930401]

Peterson is good.

[Anonymous No.11930408]

>>11930323
spineless men have found a new daddy

[Anonymous No.11930412]

>>11928909
Can he not keep schtum for five minutes.

[Anonymous No.11930481]

>>11930323
He wouldn't stop talking.

[Anonymous No.11930487]

>>11930372
He's probably read some Nietzsche and missed the point, doubt he read any Derrida beyond excerpts and critiques of Derrida. No idea about Heidegger.

[Anonymous No.11930491]

>>11930487
Does someone have that picture from 12 rules of life where he defines "Being" with capital B while referring to Heidegger

[Anonymous No.11930564]

>>11930487
Many of his assumptions are based on Nitz's points

[Anonymous No.11930603]

>>11929114
Top kek my good sir, updooted

[Anonymous No.11930610]

>>11930491
makes me chuckle every time

[Anonymous No.11930622]

>>11930610
Yikes

[Anonymous No.11930624]

>>11930610
i-think-thats-silly-i-really-do.png

[Anonymous No.11930629]

>>11930610
Is Heidi that simple bros?

[Anonymous No.11930636]

>>11930629
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/heidegg2.htm
you tell me

not a commie btw

[Anonymous No.11930653]

>>11930636
>man is that being whose Being is distinguished by the open-standing standing-in in the unconcealedness of Being, from Being, in Being
lmao

[Anonymous No.11930664]

Jordan "Netflix TV shows are on the same level of complexity as great literature" Peterson

[Anonymous No.11930665]

>>11929448
>The extreme lack of self awareness and utter pretentiousness in this post.
Its frustrating seeing someone drowning in something that the average person works to overcome, and feeling good about it.

[Anonymous No.11930671]

>>11930664
No he can't have said that

[Anonymous No.11930675]

>>11930664
As far as I can remember, he only argued that it's a step up for the medium it originated. That isn't to say he isn't wrong about all kinds of things, but the "criticisms" that are being leveled against him by most people are just the same gotcha bullshit every fucking thread and it's absolutely pathetic.

[Anonymous No.11930684]

>>11930671
>"But then Netflix came along, and HBO aswell, with bandwiths constrictions gone... and all of a sudden it turned out that no no, we can handle 40 hour complex multilayered narratives where the characters shift, where the complexities start to reach the same complexities as great literature, and there is a massive market for it"
Beyond dumb statement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xc7DN-noAc&t=430s at 7:09
>>11930675
>it's a step up for the medium it originated.
But that's ridiculous. even the best possible Netflix TV show can't be compared to any great film, let alone great literature.

[Anonymous No.11930711]

>>11930684
Start at 5:40 to see the context he's bringing these things up in. They're more of an example for the technological revolution the internet represents, and framing it so it fits better, which is bad form, but something that happens to the best of us.
In any case, structurally speaking he's right. Film was bound by technological limitations, the limitations of cultural context within which it existed, the form in which it was consumed, that don't apply to the format Netflix and HBO use, and that means that the structure does have room for far more complexity than 20 minute sitcoms and 1:30 hour movies. Obviously as it stands now that potential isn't being capitalized on too well, but series like early GoT were living proof that there is real promise there.

[Anonymous No.11930722]

>>11930684
REEEEeee NETFLIX decides everything through algorithms and dumb audience polls . Themes, actors, plot points, everything. Fucking shut up Jordan REEEE

[Anonymous No.11930724]

>>11930722

[Anonymous No.11930824]

>>11930711
Is a book automatically better if it has two thousand pages? Single sentence in one book can be infinitely more complex than entire chapters in other books. And there are longer films also, Tarr's Satantango is 7 and a half hours long, which also doesn't make it automatically the best storytelling the visual medium has ever seen.
And the ironic thing is that TV shows become more simple and structured with more seasons, not more complex, they gradually stop using all filmmaking elements and usually the only thing that is left is the written narrative, characters and nothing else. More plot points and le twists doesn't automatically result in higher complexity, Peterson's implication is absolutely ridiculous and there's no mental gymnastics to defend it.

Also
>thinking that any GoT episode is an example of "complexity"
eh

[Anonymous No.11930834]

>>11930824
>Single sentence in one book can be infinitely more complex than entire chapters in other books.
why don't we continue this conversation on twitter?

[Anonymous No.11930840]

>>11930564
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.11930932]

>>11930824
I'll give you a real response as well.

See, the lower the volume of information and the more open the interpretative framework of its metatext is, the more depth one can read into a text, while the more one says about a topic the more the implicit problems with the way one attempts to solve it come to light. I could write an outline for how I'd conceive of a philosophy beyond postmodernity, but I couldn't actually turn it into a book. I could write a convincing fake chapter for the dao de djing, but I couldn't do it for hegel.
I never argued that more plotpoint = more complexity, that's crazy, I'm arguing that in the current media landscape there is room for complexity to take place that previously didn't exist. The real point of contention (that you're trying very hard to not talk about) is the idea that online lectures, the better video essays that exist these days, podcasts, etc., even when the parties involved are relatively stupid, are still several orders of magnitude more insightful than talkshows, tv news coverage and movie reviews and similar content, just by virtue of the format they take place in. You can easily tell that tonka is a retard when he has to argue a position in detail over 45 minutes, and you can proceed to stop paying any attention to him, where in talk shows any pseudo-intellectial buffoon who is quick-witted and good at generating (or even just memorizing and replaying) snappy responses in a pinch can appear clever or even wise.

[Anonymous No.11930965]

>>11929086
Good post.

[Anonymous No.11930966]

>>11930932
Since when is this discussion about the difference of complexity between online podcasts and TV news segments?
I was only talking about Peterson's ridiculous implication that Netflix or HBO TV shows are in any shape or form comparable to great literature in complexity, or the implication that the standard Netflix casual is "hungry" for more complexity.

Throw a Netflix casual like that infront of an actual film and he'll be on his phone in 5 minutes.

[Anonymous No.11930985]

>>11930966
refer to >>11930711

desu it's ironic that you're having trouble following this conversation, considering you're making fun of the lack of attention span in the netflix casual crowd.

[Anonymous No.11931031]

>>11930985
That does not make this quote >>11930684 suddenly true, it's still utterly ridiculous no matter which way you look at it.
There is no massive hunger of the public for complex films and TV shows, if that was true capeshit would be dead a decade ago.

[Anonymous No.11931058]

>>11931031
From the perspective of someone who's already reading great literature from all time periods and doing research academically, switching to netflix and internet podcasts would be a step down, but most of the people who are watching netflix today are people who had previously spent their freetime watching reality tv, sitcoms, serialized detective/cop/medical dramas, fucking late night talk shows and similar schlock.
You're massively underestimating how dumb the media landscape was only ten years ago. Yes, there is a hunger for complexity, and the move away from tv is an expression of that, but the average adult still only has an IQ of about 98.

[Anonymous No.11931083]

>>11931058
I agree with everything you said about the past general media landscape, but Mr. Peterson here didn't say "Netflix and HBO of today provide better quality content than the usual public TV content", he said that the content of Netflix and HBO is nearing the complexity of great literature, which is the ridiculous part.

[Anonymous No.11931095]

>>11929086
FU¢K1NG P0WN3D!!!

[Anonymous No.11931155]

>>11931083
nigga, did you fucking read my post?
>They're more of an example for the technological revolution the internet represents, and framing it so it fits better, which is bad form, but something that happens to the best of us.
I'm saying he's doing the same thing he did here >>11930610, trying to give an example of what he means and just making something up because it feels right at the time (and I suspect he actually believes what he's saying at that moment). It's a bad habit, but it's not uncommon, it happens to most people in longer conversations, it's pretty obvious what he's trying to say and it doesn't invalidate anything else he's saying, so why are people like you so focused on these moments of pure idiocy?
I think it's because, despite there being plenty of flaws with his philosophical framework, the anti-petereson crowd largely consists in reactionaries (on both the left and the right) who had a problem with the political implications of his rising popularity and, though they didn't want to engage with his thinking, still felt that they needed to discredit him somehow, so they fell back on meme criticisms like 'look, his room is not clean', 'he's crying like a cuck', 'he didn't answer that one question about da jooz', etc.

[Anonymous No.11931165]

>>11931083
dude you are fucking dense holy shit he already answered that strawman

[Anonymous No.11931169]

>>11928970
lol

[Anonymous No.11931189]

>>11928909

[Anonymous No.11931197]

>>11931155
that's not the topic It suppose to mean
so what, that quote is ridiculous or not, say it

[Anonymous No.11931202]

>>11929101
This. He fucked himself over that tweet about Brett stepping down

[Anonymous No.11931245]

>>11929086
Owned those libtards like Ben Shapiro, bro.

[Anonymous No.11931348]

>>11931202
brett lied like a retard under oath. Maybe you're a political nihilist for which all ends justify means, but for those who are not as nihilistically and tribalistically inclined it's pretty reasonable to think someone willing to engage in felony perjury shouldn't sit on the Supreme Court.

Peterson is not nearly the pathetic bad-faith nihilist that many of his supporters are, and I definitely admire that part about him, even if I find most of his stuff to be pretty pseud.

[Anonymous No.11931361]

>>11931202
It's amazing how occasional moments of normalcy from him make his fans lose it. And his attempts to mitigate it are gonna kill him with contradiction and demand chasing.

[Anonymous No.11931365]

>>11931348
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11931389]

>>11929148
It’s telling that it’s unclear whether you’re talking about Zizek or Jordan B Peterson.

[Anonymous No.11931392]

>>11929149
hahahaha thank u master

ur takes get me so rock hard; diamonds

pls tell me to go to reddit; i'm so close

[Anonymous No.11931402]

More like peturdson I am right

[Anonymous No.11931414]

>>11931197
What are some intellectuals you respect? Zizek, Marx, Freud, Evola? Sam Harris?

[Anonymous No.11931434]

>>11931348
what a fag take. Brett was alpha as fuck and willed himself into power. Stay mad truthcuck.

[Anonymous No.11931465]

>>11931434
if being alpha means acting like a child, then sure

[Anonymous No.11931469]

>>11929526
>but Zizek is not on the same level of notoriety.
lol who are you trying to fool, kid

[Anonymous No.11931474]

>>11931434
this is actually what nihilism looks like

[Anonymous No.11931477]

>>11931474
>t. moralfag

[Anonymous No.11931610]

>>11931465
>see his life getting destroyed in front of him
>dont want him to fight back

[Anonymous No.11931624]

>>11928909
>((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((juden peterstein))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Anonymous No.11931628]

>>11931348
>brett lied like a retard under oath.
...?

[Anonymous No.11931637]

>>11931610
>perjures and freaks out and otherwise looks shady as fuck when he literally could have told the truth in a calm manner like any sane person who trust in the justice system

[Anonymous No.11931678]

>>11931637
>perjury and shady af
I bet you think saying he liked beer but never blacked out is perjury or something

[Anonymous No.11931717]

>>11931434
>Brett was alpha as fuck and willed himself into power
Oh please he had the full support of the Presidency and Congress, you act like he was some underdog character

[Anonymous No.11931734]

(((((((((>>11931624)))))))))

[Anonymous No.11931768]

>>11931469
He isn't. Peterson was on Fox and Friends. Is that really a great venue for intellectuals? No. It's embarrassing actually. However, it demonstrates that Peterson is at least popular enough to be marketed by Big Murdoch. I can't think of any mainstream news sources that pays attention to Zizek other than that one RT video with Assange. This isn't a commentary on the intellectual character of either, just that Peterson is definitely more well known.