What does /lit/ think about Blood Meridian?

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What does /lit/ think about Blood Meridian? Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:21:06 2018 No.11926929 [Reply] [Original]

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:22:18 2018 No.11926934 >>11926929 Simply the best book that was ever written.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:27:44 2018 No.11926957 >>11926934 I'm currently reading it, but why do you enjoy it so much?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:45:54 2018 No.11927058 >>11926957 If you're currently reading then you should know. It's just above and beyond every other book that exists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:48:00 2018 No.11927066 >>11927058 >mccarthy fans

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:48:43 2018 No.11927067 >>11927058 I thought it was try-hard macho bullshit and put it down after around 100 pages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:48:51 2018 No.11927068 >>11927066 he's not wrong though

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:50:14 2018 No.11927075 >>11926929 A masterpice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:50:26 2018 No.11927076 File: 49 KB, 640x640, 1537659160814.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11927067 >macho bullshit

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:51:16 2018 No.11927080 >>11927067 t. homosexual feminist

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 15:52:21 2018 No.11927084 >>11926929 It's a masterpiece.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:07:19 2018 No.11927164 >>11927084 >>11927075 It's not -a- masterpiece. It's THE masterpiece.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:13:03 2018 No.11927200 >>11926929 McCarthy’s magnum opus Makes up for the shitshow that was the road.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:17:56 2018 No.11927231 >>11927164 Personally, I view La Divina Commedia as THE masterpiece of literature, a colossal monument, but I like and share your enthusiasm over Blood Meridian.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:21:00 2018 No.11927246 >>11927058 hahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:21:43 2018 No.11927249 I tried it after I read The Road. Both feel like movie scripts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:25:56 2018 No.11927265 >>11926929 Unreadable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:26:09 2018 No.11927266 >>11927249 I haven't read The Road, so I can't comment on that, but Blood Meridian doesn't feel anything like a movie script., it's way too poetic and unusual. No Country (the novel) does feel like one, in fact, it started as a movie script.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:26:38 2018 No.11927269 >>11927067 kys

Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:30:35 2018 No.11927294

>>11927076
>>11927080

Not at all. I have quite authoritarian views on a lot if subjects. I just found it a really boring wallowing around in completely unrealistic and meaningless violence. Like a Michael Bay-movie with a thin veneer of intellectualism. Waste of time.

Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:32:11 2018 No.11927302

>>11926929
I seriously don't understand all the whining about muh punctuation, English is not even my native language but Spanish. and I understood every bit of it, it took some time getting used to it, but I did it. Why are Anglos, particularly Murifags, such faggots? Like, bordering on actual faggotry?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:33:08 2018 No.11927306 >>11927294 Wow. Just wow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:33:13 2018 No.11927307 I think the real blood meridian was the friends we made along the way

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:34:14 2018 No.11927309 >>11927302 You mean the lack of quotation marks for dialogue? I actually prefer it this way desu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:34:14 2018 No.11927311 File: 106 KB, 1080x736, 9EF2E961-5AEC-444A-B3F9-65EFD734C5D0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11927302 It’s probably the eurofags who have a problem with it. They have spaces between the dialogue so it’s not difficult

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:35:12 2018 No.11927316 >>11927294 >'unrealistic and meaningless violence' >implying every act of violence has to have a meaning or else it's unrealistic Go back to school.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:38:21 2018 No.11927336 >>11926929 Garbage, just like all other American "literature"

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:41:03 2018 No.11927354 >>11927294 >unrealistic violence >in a book based on actual events o i am laffin

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:02:38 2018 No.11928731 >>11927336 t. Pleb who reads for the plot

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:26:39 2018 No.11928808 >>11927068 but he is tho >>11926929 >Corncob "Tortilla" YeCarthy spits in your thread

Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:27:59 2018 No.11928814

ah, blood meridian, monsieur? that novel is the sark and chaparral of literature, the filament whereon rode the remuda of highbrow, corraled out of some destitute hacienda upon the arroya, quirting and splurting with main and with pyrolatrous coagulate of lobated grandiloquence. our eyes rode over the pages, monsieur, of that slatribed azotea like argonauts of suttee, juzgados of swole, bights and systoles of walleyed and tyrolean and carbolic and tectite and scurvid and querent and creosote and scapular malpais and shellalagh. we scalped, monsieur, the gantlet of its esker and led our naked bodies into the rebozos of its mennonite and siliceous fauna, wallowing in the jasper and the carnelian like archimandrites, teamsters, combers of cassinette scoria, centroids of holothurian chancre, with pizzles of enfiladed indigo panic grass in the saltbush of our vigas, true commodores of the written page, rebuses, monsieur, we were the mygale spiders too and the devonian and debouched pulque that settled on the frizzen studebakers, listening the wolves howling in the desert while we saw the judge rise out of a thicket of corbelled arches, whinstone, cairn, cholla, lemurs, femurs, leantos, moonblanched nacre, uncottered fistulas of groaning osnaburg and kelp, isomers of fluepipe and halms awap of griddle, guisado, pelancillo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:35:26 2018 No.11928846 >>11928814 >arroya For the millionth time, arroya is not a fucking word. Arroyo is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:42:55 2018 No.11928873 >>11927249 Really? Blood Meridian feels like it would be unfilmable. Won't stop someone from trying. I know there is a movie in the works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:45:33 2018 No.11928886 >>11928873 There is not a movie in the works...

Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:46:04 2018 No.11928888

>>11927336
The greatest novel ever written is American.

>>11926957
McCarthy's prose, even though it's long-winded and poorly punctuated, has a cadence and tone that makes the novel a very interesting read. The tone fits the subject matter well.

On the content, I don't think there's any work of art that even attempts to be as blatantly violent as Blood Meridian. Give that to the average reader of literature or even just books in general (usually someone who is curious, especially about more abstract things such as the 'human experience') and it's easy to see why the novel gets so much praise.

On top of all this, the novel as a whole is extremely well put-together. By setting, by plot, by theme, by characters, by prose, each aspect of the novel sort of resonates on the same frequency if you catch my drift. It really is a great piece of work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:47:23 2018 No.11928890 >>11928888 >On the content, I don't think there's any work of art that even attempts to be as blatantly violent as Blood Meridian. The Illiad, American Psycho, The Divine Comedy.

Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:57:37 2018 No.11928939

>>11928890
Maybe violent wasn't such a good word: I should have said something like "gruesome" or "objectionable". You're right that there's more violence in the Iliad and at least Inferno, and on a wider scale, but it's not portrayed in the same way.

The object of discussion in those works isn't the violence itself, they're just in there as a matter of course and of telling the story. In Blood Meridian, violence, in relation to humans, is exactly what is being discussed. There are not very many works that discuss violence and how it relates to man. A lot of the ones that are, like war journals and war poetry, etc, are similarly gruesome (though usually not as well written and not as well put-together from virtually any perspective), and that's probably why they have an audience the size that they do: it's interesting to read about that type of stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 23:01:50 2018 No.11928960 >>11928939 >>11928888 No offense but you come across as a complete and total pseud, my man. You opinions are hot garbage big dog. No offense. Waste of quads.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 23:05:13 2018 No.11928979 >>11928960 Thanks anon, I appreciate it. Wanna enlighten me?

Anonymous Sat Oct 13 23:42:26 2018 No.11929104

>>11928888

>The greatest novel ever written is American.
Anna Karenina is not American

>I don't think there's any work of art that even attempts to be as blatantly violent as Blood Meridian
This is a ridiculously broad argument that is obviously false. See this reply: >>11928890

>the novel as a whole is extremely well put-together
More vague bullshit. "Eat Pray Love" is well put-together for what it is. That doesn't make it good.

"Blood Meridian" is a shitty and formulaic collection of half-baked philosophical musings that would only an adolescent would consider "profound". It takes itself incredible seriously and has utterly no concept of irony or awareness of its own place in a wider literary tradition. Just admit that you like it because of its tired macho iconography. You like it because of a superficial image of aestheticized violence that appeals to your inner 14 year old. It's like shitty Hemingway fanfiction by someone who doesn't understand Hemingway and thinks his works need more badass violence and "deep and meaningful" ideas. Realize that Cormac McCarthy is no better than Wes Anderson - a fucking hipster pseud who arranges pretty pictures.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 23:49:24 2018 No.11929128 >/lit/ jeez

Anonymous Sat Oct 13 23:59:47 2018 No.11929168

>>11929104
What's wrong with "macho iconography"? Why's everyone on this board suddenly a homosexual feminist? I'm not him but the reasons I like BM are the prose, the setting and the story, its aesthetics basically, not the philosophical musings or whatever. Same reasons I like Lolita.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:07:26 2018 No.11929197

>>11929104
>Anna Karenina is not American
Okay, what's that have to do with anything? Other than that the man who wrote the greatest novel ever written thought that it was great?

>This is a ridiculously broad argument that is obviously false. See this reply: >>11928890
See my response to the reply, and respond to that if you want.

>More vague bullshit. "Eat Pray Love" is well put-together for what it is. That doesn't make it good.
See the following sentence where I specify what I mean by that, and then tell me how it's not consistent in its tone, mood, atmosphere, plot, themes, etc etc etc.

>"Blood Meridian" is a shitty and formulaic collection of half-baked philosophical musings that would only an adolescent would consider "profound".
Coming from a guy that finds a novel about nothing happening "The greatest novel ever written", that's pretty rich. See? Anyone can make dumb sweeping statements about works of art. What exactly is half-baked about it? With examples please, you're clearly very much more intelligent than I so this should be no problem.

>It takes itself incredible seriously and has utterly no concept of irony or awareness of its own place in a wider literary tradition.
Is this implying that great works of literature do not take themselves 'incredible' seriously and have concepts of irony and awareness of their place in a 'wider literary tradition', or else they are not great works of literature?

>Just admit that you like it because of its tired macho iconography. You like it because of a superficial image of aestheticized violence that appeals to your inner 14 year old.
Have you even read it? Sure there's a couple ridiculous parts in it, but there's a couple of ridiculous parts in even the best works of literature (Something you should be acutely aware of if you've read a lot of Golden Age Russian literature).

>It's like shitty Hemingway fanfiction by someone who doesn't understand Hemingway and thinks his works need more badass violence and "deep and meaningful" ideas.
Uh oh

>Realize that Cormac McCarthy is no better than Wes Anderson - a fucking hipster pseud who arranges pretty pictures.
hahahahaahhahahahahahahaha wow I can't believe I got through your whole post in retrospect. Why are you so angry? Have you even read the book, or do you just assume that any work dealing in themes that 14 year olds find attractive must be as shallow as the 14 year olds are?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:11:25 2018 No.11929213 >>11928886 Could have sworn I read somewhere they are making a movie. My bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:11:27 2018 No.11929214 >>11929168 Different people have different life experiences, which leads them to like different things. No need to get so offended about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:12:31 2018 No.11929219 >>11929213 There have been multiple attempts. You were probably not wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:27:31 2018 No.11929266 >>11929213 James Franco tried to make one but the test footage was so bad that some producer had to intervene and shut down the whole thing.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:28:44 2018 No.11929275

>>11929197
Seriously, he named Anna Karenina( something 17 year old girls that fuck their professors to earn lit degrees, then grow old with their cats might pick) so you can safely discard anything after that.
The comparison of Cormac with Wes Anderson was just cringe inducing. This is why NPC’s must be kept from the rest of us.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:31:46 2018 No.11929282 >>11929266 Why didn't anyone stop francos other movies? He's a terrible director and has like 10 absolute stinkers just floating around

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:32:22 2018 No.11929287 >>11929104 cringe and bluepilled >>11929197 based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:35:52 2018 No.11929293 >>11929275 Anglo autism reaching new heights.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:39:08 2018 No.11929300 >>11929104 >>11929197 Both Anna Karenina and Blood Meridian are great works of literature. Why can't we be analytical for once? Cormac is like Wes Anderson? Tired macho iconography? Clean your vagina and fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:39:59 2018 No.11929303 I just read the book last week and I was amazed that I liked it. I expected McCarthy to be a lot more of a pseud >>11928814 This is actually fucking hilarious, I swear he used creosote in every other sentence. You forgot "nigger" though

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:42:16 2018 No.11929309 File: 546 KB, 1616x2889, Francisco_de_Goya,_Saturno_devorando_a_su_hijo_(1819-1823).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11928888 Someone has never seen a de Goya painting

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:45:40 2018 No.11929325

>>11929197
>>11929104
I remember when i came to /lit/ in mid 2015, and these types of discussion were somewhat amusing. They get old pretty fast. It's two monkeys throwing shit at each other and saying "my shit smells better, faggot". It's why literature discussion in this board is dead and the only half baked discussion you'll see is philosophy. Why type anything of worth when some faggot will come and reply to you with imblying nonsense and name calling. Though i will say that it's kinda incredible how you can "muh" anything, anything ever and make it sound childish and incompetent. Kys yourself.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:48:37 2018 No.11929331

>>11929300
It reads like McCarthy asked himself the question "how can I write the most super-duper hardcore western novel of all time?"

Puh-lease, I'm a grown man, don't waste my time with this shit. It's basically a long series of already tired tropes taken to the nth degree in order to create the illusion that he had produced something new. He hasn't. It's just guys scowling and trying to say cool shit.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:54:54 2018 No.11929346

>>11929331
Now I know you haven’t even read it, let alone another western novel.
When you don’t know something there is no shame, just go read it and form an actual opinion. Curmudgeons might have been vaguely cool when they were at least well read. Your variety is pathetic and sad. The product of a fatherless household who learned to mewl for their way rather than earn it. I blame your single mother more than you.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 00:55:00 2018 No.11929347

>>11928814

IV
The Kid Abides - Gog and Magog - Niggers Herding Bison - La violación de los Chiracahua - The Howitzer - Lorem Ipsum Dolor, Sit Amet - A Rootin' Tootin' Fiesta - Glanton Scalps 43 Babies and Arranges their Bodies in the Shape of a Swastika - El Arroyo Ardiente - Sturm und Drang - The Little Home on the Prairie - A Pack of Pusillanimous Pussyfooters - A Saguaro Cactus Covered in Human Eyeballs - Making Camp

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:04:17 2018 No.11929374 >>11929346 Read the first hundred pages, that was more than enough.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:05:12 2018 No.11929377

>>11926929

I have one very simple thing to say to any admirer of Cormac McCarthy:

>Read Joyce.

McCarthy's style is just a bad imitation of Joyce. That's literally all it is. It's Joyce without the self-awareness. It's Joyce without the formal experimentation, Joyce without the encyclopedic integration of the entire history of the English language, Joyce without the irony, Joyce without the psychological complexity.

>b-but McCarthy writes precise, simple sentences influenced by the King James Bible.

No, McCarthy uses polysyndeton as a crutch and as part of a formula based on simply-described action + a rapid widening of focus and a peppering of a few "difficult words" at pivotal moments and at the ends of chapters. McCarthy didn't invent this formula - it's as old as hack writing itself.

The simple fact is, when McCarthy actually tries to write, when he tries to write something that sounds good, he tries to write like Joyce. He's always got that last paragraph of "The Dead" in the back of his mind, or the "Ithaca" section of Ulysses (which McCarthy obviously didn't understand to be satirical). It's all a pale imitation of something Joyce already did a thousand times better, and with a far greater sense of irony and wit. Put down "Blood Meridian" (even the title is cringe), read Joyce and you will understand that.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:07:33 2018 No.11929385

>>11929374
See? Knew it.Also a quitter. Another sign of no male figure in the house. Couple that with your irrational hatred of masculinity and we can safely see the matriarchal dominance in your life.
I’m sure you have some action figures to unbox or an open mouthed instagram pic to take.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:07:38 2018 No.11929387 >>11929331 >I'm a grown man, don't waste my time with this shit. So you went for Anna Karenina instead? Why? What kind of man are you? Bastard from a single mother? Homosexual and mature?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:13:06 2018 No.11929400 >>11929377 Yeah, but Joyce wrote fart letters while McCarthy wrote scientific articles.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:18:04 2018 No.11929406

>>11929377
I mean, most writers pale in comparison to Joyce and Joyce pales in comparison to Shakespeare, it doesn't mean they aren't any good. Suttree and Blood Meridian are both great pieces of literature.

>"Blood Meridian" (even the title is cringe)
Says the guy defending the author of a book titled Ulysses, the cringe-inducing Latinised bastardization of Odysseus. Have some shame.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:21:49 2018 No.11929410

>>11929385

Why does writing or reading about cowboys camping in the desert make you more manly?

McCarthy is stay-at-home academic fag who applied for writing and research funding from institutions and who insists on using the same vintage typewriter to write novels about an "edgy" version of the American West.

Tolstoy was a soldier, served in the Crimean War and was recognized for his bravery. Had 13 children, rebelled against the organized religion of his time, and wrote works influenced by his own life experiences that are universally regarded as masterpieces.

Why would McCarthy's work have any greater sense of masculinity than Tolstoy's? Because Tolstoy writes about love and honor and actually participating in society?

Why is it more manly to fantasize about gothic cowboy caricatures riding horses? Grow up and read something that reflects what it means to be a man in society, to actually act according to proper masculine principles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:25:16 2018 No.11929417 >>11929385 >>11929387 Yeah, no substance here, moving on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:28:22 2018 No.11929425 >>11929410 Tolstoy was afraid of fucking his own wife and even felt guilty for it. There's your sense of masculinity

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:28:50 2018 No.11929427

>>11929406

>Ulysses, the cringe-inducing Latinised bastardization of Odysseus.

I think you missed the point. Don't you think Joyce knows that he is using the Latinised form of the name? Don't you think he might have a reason for doing that? Have you considered that it may relate to the entire point of the novel? This is why you will never understand Joyce. Because you don't see that he is self-aware.

>most writers pale in comparison to Joyce and Joyce pales in comparison to Shakespeare

My point was not that McCarthy "pales in comparison to Joyce". My point was that McCarthy is actively trying to write like Joyce. He has no style of his own - his style is based on Joyce's style. McCarthy doesn't even try to hide this. He is open about his infatuation with Joyce. He traveled to Ireland in his early life. He even changed his name to Cormac to sound more Irish. I'm not saying "Joyce is better than McCarthy". I'm saying McCarthy is a fucking Joyce wannabe and nothing more.

If you want a writer who was actually inspired by Joyce and heavily influenced by him and still did produced work that was valuable in its own right, then you should read Beckett.

McCarthy is not just inspired by Joyce or responding to Joyce, he's trying to BE Joyce and it's fucking cringe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:30:28 2018 No.11929433 >>11929400 McCarthy's entire corpus is one long fart letter to Joyce

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:31:47 2018 No.11929437 >>11929427 Ouch

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:37:42 2018 No.11929462 >>11929417 Like your father. I know bud. I know.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:44:50 2018 No.11929483

>>11929427
>Don't you think Joyce knows that he is using the Latinised form of the name? Don't you think he might have a reason for doing that?
Eh, he recommended reading some kids version of The Odyssey to some friend before tackling Ulysses. A kids version, I kid you not. So, I don't think he cared that much.

>My point was not that McCarthy "pales in comparison to Joyce". My point was that McCarthy is actively trying to write like Joyce. He has no style of his own - his style is based on Joyce's style. McCarthy doesn't even try to hide this. He is open about his infatuation with Joyce. He traveled to Ireland in his early life. He even changed his name to Cormac to sound more Irish. I'm not saying "Joyce is better than McCarthy". I'm saying McCarthy is a fucking Joyce wannabe and nothing more.
I don't see that way, it's influences and nothing more. No writer is free of influences. His style may be influenced by Faulkner and Joyce, but his preoccupations and themes are different. Read Blood Meridian and Ulysses and then tell me they're the same book. If he were a Joyce wannabe he's be writing about how the modern man's life is actually an odyssey or some shit like that. They're not even remotely similar themes-wise nor style-wise beginning with the fact that Joyce's deals with the introspective while Cormac does not. That's a HUGE stylistic choice and sets them 1000000 meters apart at the very least, making them diametrically opposed. Saying McCarthy is a "Joyce wannabe" is absolutely ridiculous. DFW, that I could understand the comparison.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:50:53 2018 No.11929500

>
I think you missed the point. Don't you think Joyce knows that he is using the Latinised form of the name? Don't you think he might have a reason for doing that? Have you considered that it may relate to the entire point of the novel? This is why you will never understand Joyce. Because you don't see that he is self-aware.
Now THIS is epic

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:52:39 2018 No.11929505

>>11929427
>If you want a writer who was actually inspired by Joyce and heavily influenced by him and still did produced work that was valuable in its own right, then you should read Beckett.
Or Faulkner, who did everything Joyce did much better, except for sounding pretty.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:57:12 2018 No.11929518

>>11926929
I wasn't impressed. Neglecting quotation marks and punctuation is just annoying. Nothing about the novel really struck me as outstanding. Sure, he described some pretty cool dreamlike scenes and everything but the actual prose reads like shit outside of those sections. It just seems like one of those airport mass produced novels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 01:59:16 2018 No.11929528 >>11929518 >It just seems like one of those airport mass produced novels. Jesus fucking Christ, /lit/. Is everyone a pleb now? Wtf happened here??

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:04:18 2018 No.11929544

>>11929528
It's written like shit. You can tell McCarthy had a thesaurus next to him and wouldn't move on to the next page until he replaced 10 words with an older one he could find to sound cool, which is impressive to 17-year-olds I guess. He puts a summary of each chapter so the reader has some training wheels for taking in the events. The whole thing reeks of a guy who wears cowboy hats and a huge belt buckle everywhere, even when it's not appropriate, and the second he starts talking to anybody he'll find a way to explain to them how his grandpa was a rancher in Texas or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:05:36 2018 No.11929549 >>11929104 wtf is this bullshit. Stop trying to "feminize" men with your bullshit. Men kill things. Women nurture. That's been the name of the game since the dawn of time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:06:01 2018 No.11929553 >>11929425 >My mind is absolutely ruled by the thoughts of my penis and the penises of others, and what they do with them. I am badass

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:08:27 2018 No.11929560 >>11929553 T. Son of a single mother.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:09:33 2018 No.11929567 >>11929528 Serious faggot shit brewing on here. My god. It's troubling. "Books about masculinity are bad, hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:18:26 2018 No.11929589

>>11929544
>next page until he replaced 10 words with an older one he could find to sound cool
It's called having a style. Most authors worth a damn have a style. Can you provide an example where a simpler word would have sufficed?

>He puts a summary of each chapter so the reader has some training wheels for taking in the events.
That's literally a staple in literature, you pleb. Particularly in adventure books.

>The whole thing reeks of a guy who wears cowboy hats and a huge belt buckle everywhere, even when it's not appropriate, and the second he starts talking to anybody he'll find a way to explain to them how his grandpa was a rancher in Texas or something.
What the fuck does that even mean? kys

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:20:10 2018 No.11929600

>>11929589
>It's called having a style.
Yeah, and the style is called "shit".

>That's literally a staple in literature, you pleb. Particularly in adventure books.
>>>/sffg/

>What the fuck does that even mean?
Hold on, lemme grab my 1890s dictionary to help translate it for you

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:24:09 2018 No.11929618

>>11929600
>Particularly in adventure books.
>>>/sffg/
Eh, classical adventure books, like Pinocchio and some other 19th century lit. I've seen that multiple times.

>Hold on, lemme grab my 1890s dictionary to help translate it for you.
Haha but Blood is set in the 1850s, dude, you're going to need an older version.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:26:50 2018 No.11929630 >>11929618 My next big project is to write a novel, then run it through 10 different machine translations and then back into English. Would produce a pretty epic style, ya know?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:32:35 2018 No.11929656 File: 352 KB, 256x256, 1539186862009.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the same anon has been shit posting about BM being bad for hours now Why does he hate the book so much?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:35:20 2018 No.11929663 >>11929656 Small weewee, probably. Literally anyone that talks shit about a book being too masculine either has a small peepee or is a huge cum-guzzling faggot. Or someone who wants to be a tranny.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:36:27 2018 No.11929668 >>11929630 It would probably be an improvement on whatever drivel you fed in to begin with

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:37:10 2018 No.11929673

>>11929560
>>11929549
>>11929462
>>11929425
>>11929387
>>11929385

Oh, you're a real man's man, I can tell. The kind that reads stories about guns and shooting and fucking and drinking whisky. Awesome. I bet you listen to Disturbed or some corny shit like that as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:38:00 2018 No.11929676 >>11929668 Ouch, that one stung like the creosote needle piercing the eye of the deprecated mule the judge rode fortifitously on through the tenebrous night

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:38:08 2018 No.11929679 I'm going to make Judge Holden in RDR2 online

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:38:37 2018 No.11929682 File: 855 KB, 602x690, 1527671918617.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11929673 stop replying to bait

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 02:45:03 2018 No.11929699 >>11929673 >Disturbed or some corny shit like that as well Never heard of it.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 03:36:36 2018 No.11929853

>>11929483

>Read Blood Meridian and Ulysses and then tell me they're the same book.
They're clearly not the same book. Ulysses is a masterpiece of formal innovation and experimentation that reinvented the way novels are read and written. It is regarded as the towering achievement of literary modernism. It paints a vivid picture of the complexity of human experience and incorporates the entirety of the linguistic history of the Anglophone world in its sharply satirical manipulations of language.

Blood Meridian is a book about hardcore edgelords in the Wild West occasionally spouting adolescent philosophical diatribes.

I never said they were "the same book". I said McCarthy's style is a pathetic imitation of Joyce. If you actually read Joyce you will see this.

>If he were a Joyce wannabe he's be writing about how the modern man's life is actually an odyssey or some shit like that.
This proves you have absolutely no understanding of what Ulysses is about or what Joyce was doing as a writer.

Joyce's work calls attention to the processes by which human experience is converted into linguistic expression.

>Joyce's [sic] deals with the introspective while Cormac does not.
A meaningless comment. All books have thematic differences. My point is that McCarthy's style is an imitation of Joyce's style. I didn't say Blood Meridian and Ulysses have the same themes. That's a totally different point to what I actually said.

McCarthy is a hard-worker, I'll give him that, and he seems to have pretty good taste in literature. He's clearly spent a lot of time going through his dictionary looking for obscure and impressive words. His Gothic hyper-violent American West is kind of interesting as a setting, I guess. But let's put aside the bullshit for a second and ask ourselves what actually makes a great writer. I would suggest that it takes a great, distinctive, evocative style, combined with a genuinely original form, or an especially well-wrought story and characters.

McCarthy has no style of his own. He's a facile imitator. His form has been done to death. His stories are standard airport-novel-fare, and his characters are all iterations of the same Clint Eastwood cliche over and over again.

But the fact is, anyone with a thesaurus and enough time on their hands and a sufficient lack of self-respect can devote their career to being a professional James Joyce cuck. You can find your niche (e.g. edgelord westerns), and then you can go on trying to be Joyce for the rest of your life. You can even change your name to Cormac to try and sound more Irish, but you will never be Joyce, and you will never be a great writer.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 03:42:43 2018 No.11929870

>>11929104
>Anna Karenina is not American
Anna Karenina is pitiable trash, and the only modern people who claim to like it are self-obsessed nancies who only read approved literature because they're insecure in their own taste and feel the need to gloat about how cultured they are. Like you're doing right now.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 03:52:53 2018 No.11929898

>>11929505
True - unlike McCarthy, Faulkner actually understands Joyce, and therefore takes his innovations in more interesting directions, rather than just trying to sound like him.

McCarthy apparently didn't get anything out of Joyce other than the fact that it "sounded pretty", and that's why he keeps trying to replicated the sounds and rhythms of his sentences.

That's the thing Cormac fanboys don't seem to get. He writes like a prissy faggot. For a supposedly "manly" text, it is has one of the most unashamedly decadent and embroidered prose styles of any novel in recent years. His masturbatory delight in archaic language is one of the least masculine things I have ever read. It's like reading fucking Swinburne.

Joyce at least used archaisms ironically. Cormac really just thinks they sound nice. I can picture him sitting at his vintage typewriter arranging all his pretty words and thinking how quaint he is for describing making violence into something beautiful. Talk about "feminization". That's what his whole project is. Reducing violent masculine characters to pretty aesthetic pictures for basedboys to jerk off to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 03:53:57 2018 No.11929900 File: 46 KB, 519x449, 2dlf1q.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11929853 Oh, this is getting good

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 03:58:39 2018 No.11929909 >>11929900 is this your first blood meridian thread?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 04:04:01 2018 No.11929921 >>11929909 Nah, but based joyceposter is taking this to the next level. Here's hoping this can serve as a template for future discussions of McCarthy, the same way we really have perfected bashing Ayn Rand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 09:36:28 2018 No.11930855 >>11927336 brainlet detected

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 09:38:57 2018 No.11930868 >>11929898 nice bait

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 09:40:10 2018 No.11930874 >>11930855 I'm not hearing a counterargument lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 09:53:29 2018 No.11930912 so it's either the best book of all time or the worst

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 11:05:56 2018 No.11931142 Fucking fantastic thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 11:11:44 2018 No.11931182 Is there any evidence that McCarthy was influenced by Joyce? I find his work much more closely resembles Faulkner

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 11:15:00 2018 No.11931196

>>11929853
>Joyce's work calls attention to the processes by which human experience is converted into linguistic expression.
In other words he used stream of consciousness a lot. Yeah, there's none of that in Cormac's books. And yes, introspective narration sets them apart. We can basically make two groups of writers, those who used it and those who don't. It's a big differentiator, and if you can't see that, then that's your problem. Using words does not mean you're copying some othrt writer.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 11:18:35 2018 No.11931211

>>11929853
>stories are standard airport-novel-fare, and his characters are all iterations of the same Clint Eastwood cliche over and over again.
This gives me the impression you haven't even read McCarthy. He's nothing like this... None of his characters is like Clint Eastwood, on the contrary lol read his actual books instead of reading the Wikipedia summary.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 11:25:29 2018 No.11931237 >>11931182 anon actually tried to said Faulkner but said Joyce instead, the whole thread is nothing but damage control. Swap Faulkner for Joyce and The Sound and the Fury for Ulysses, and it's the same shit kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 11:28:54 2018 No.11931250 >>11927058 >it's just really good lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 12:37:54 2018 No.11931583 >>11928888 >The greatest novel ever written is American. Which novel is that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 12:41:21 2018 No.11931605 File: 21 KB, 220x315, 1539116685848.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11931583

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 13:49:01 2018 No.11931977 great thread, one of the best BM threads in a while

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 13:58:38 2018 No.11932035 Fucking faggots. Jesus Christ. I still can't get over this "muh masculinity is antiquated and bad as far as literature goes" horseshit. TRANNIES.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 14:00:38 2018 No.11932043 >>11932035 literally what did he mean by this

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 14:03:49 2018 No.11932059 >>11932035 The recent ledd*t influx brought us many homosexual feminists. /lit/ is dead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 14:37:19 2018 No.11932204 >>11932035 >>11932059 Joyceposter ruined your shit - make a coherent rebuttal or just suck it up, you fucking pussy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 14:41:22 2018 No.11932222 >>11932204 She hasn't answered my latest reply, so.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 14:42:38 2018 No.11932229

>>11932204
He didn't make any argument, he just told us how we only like the book because of our inner fourteen-year-old and that McCarthy tried to BE Joyce. His 'analysis' is by far the worst of the entire thread, and basically amounts to 'I think this author is trying to be THIS author! And he's bad because I think he's like a 14 year old!'

lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 15:26:56 2018 No.11932433 >>11932222 >>11932229 What you posted was nitpicky, low-effort bullshit, completely unworthy of the posts that you're supposedly responding too. You're not fooling anyone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 15:31:16 2018 No.11932453 >>11932433 >ur unworthy of replying to me hahahah hhahhaahahaha okay man you're right, usually when people make judgments on things that are being argued they present evidence and analysis, but you don't need to because you're special.

Anonymous Sun Oct 14 16:05:30 2018 No.11932608
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>>11932453
I'm not joyceposter. I was simply observing that what you posted was clearly inferior to his long and well-reasoned responses. And that you're just treading water right now, trying desperately to make it look like you weren't completely demolished.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 16:25:30 2018 No.11932690 >>11932608 You're like one of those faggots that slups the cum out of condoms on the bathroom floors of gay bars, amirite?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 20:08:45 2018 No.11933841 Let's drop the level of discussion down a few notches: What the hell was the Judge doing at the end?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 20:58:50 2018 No.11934098 >>11932690 You're the one who seems oddly preoccupied with penises and bodily fluids. You should be able to surmise the rest for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 20:59:04 2018 No.11934101 >>11933841 Dancing

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:00:06 2018 No.11936108 File: 8 KB, 250x232, 1528017361887.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11926929 stopped reading about 2/3 of the way through

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:10:06 2018 No.11936131 >>11927076 I'm a card-carrying pinko lefty liberal and even I find 'gender-inclusive toilets' weird. Aren't they just... toilets? You know, like the toilets in everybody's houses?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:13:28 2018 No.11936139 >>11926929 Maybe the real Blood Meridian were the friends we made along the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:20:23 2018 No.11936150 im working my way through it and it's honestly exhausting to read, it's just descriptions of the sunset and the desert interspersed with extreme violence

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:21:49 2018 No.11936155 >>11936108 you stopped before the best parts of the book, what the fuck bro!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:29:38 2018 No.11936172 >>11926929 sucked dicks. cormac is shit. bm could have been about something profound, instead it was about muh literary themes and omg regeneration by violence. give me a fucking break you boomer fucking hack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:48:57 2018 No.11936212 >>11936155 The best chapter is the Judge meeting the Glanton gang. Adds so much to the air of his character.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:50:05 2018 No.11936217 >>11936172 you literally just read the back of the book because you couldn't understand it fucking charlatan

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:52:31 2018 No.11936223 File: 137 KB, 1280x796, huge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have more fondness for it now looking back on it than I did while reading it. Probably due for a re-read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 06:53:13 2018 No.11936225 >>11936217 dude that kis some god tier bait

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 08:17:23 2018 No.11936399 >>11927311 I'm a britbong and I have nothing against McCarthy, I love his writing. Please pick on another continent.

Anonymous Mon Oct 15 09:28:03 2018 No.11936605
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>>11929853

>McCarthy'st style is an imitation of Joyce

Where, if you may? Joyce style is not even fixed, especially in Ulysses what he shows is that he can manipulate style to convey different impressions an meaning, while this is something that never happens in McCarthy.

The lyricism in prose which you find in Blood Meridian and Suttree is not indebted to Joyce as much as it is to Melville and Faulkner. If McCarthy is imitating someone, it's them, not Joyce - as, again, Joyce was a language manipulator as you said and does not maintain the same style.

On the other hand, the only shifts you see in McCarthy style are between the novels who sound lyrical like Blood Meridian and Suttree and those who sound like thrillers, with short paratactic sentences, like No Country for Old Men and, partly, the Road. Even when his style shifts in that direction, I'm not seeing any Joyce there.

Would you tell me in what, precisely, he would be imitating him? Because again 1. I don't think you could really define the style of a language and prose experimenter whose own purpose was to show how you can convey different meanings with different styles 2. I don't think McCarthy's lyricism is indebted to Joyce in any way since his most lyrical parts sound rather like Melville and Faulkner than like Joyce.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 09:43:19 2018 No.11936650 >>11936139 Underrated

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