Why should anyone read Deleuze why is he worth reading?

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Anonymous Thu Oct 11 07:04:51 2018 No.11915435 [Reply] [Original]

Why should anyone read Deleuze why is he worth reading?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 07:21:05 2018 No.11915465 To deterritorialize yourself, you rhizome

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 07:23:26 2018 No.11915472 >>11915465 what does that actually mean?

Anonymous Thu Oct 11 07:27:29 2018 No.11915483

>>11915472
You're stuck in a certain way of thinking despite having a high degree of potential ways of living and interpreting/evaluating phenomena. Once you get past the jargon, much of what Deleuze is saying is common sense (despite his explicit criticism of common sense).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 07:28:41 2018 No.11915489 he isnt

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 07:50:01 2018 No.11915537 he makes you think about stuff in a different way. he also writes in a fun, engaging kinda way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 07:57:52 2018 No.11915549 >>11915483 >his criticism of common sense give a quick rundown

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 08:03:06 2018 No.11915562 >>11915465 Where should I start with this Deleuze guy anyway?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 08:04:56 2018 No.11915566 >>11915562 i read a nice intro by claire colebrook. she's a bit focused on movies and theater by the end of it but it gives a nice overview of anti-oedipus, thousand plateus and identity and difference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 08:05:36 2018 No.11915567 >>11915549 Imagine you you only work with cross-shaped screws and screwdrivers. One day you lose your cross-shaped screw driver. Then you realize a slot-drive does the trick just fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 08:05:52 2018 No.11915569 >>11915562 todd may has a great intro book

Anonymous Thu Oct 11 09:21:51 2018 No.11915776

>>11915549
Common sense has been associated in the history of philosophy with certain flawed starting points such as identity or representation (concerning perception). One of Deleuze's examples is about Descartes' use of candle wax as a starting point for his inquiry once he suspended all past preconceptions. You quickly get several identities (the candle, the cogito, God) just from thinking about the candle as a single perfectly constituted object (identity) who is then perceived by a self (the cogito) that guarantees its unity (otherwise we could not form the concept of candle and a persistent coherent experience and what psychologists call object permanence for example) and finally a God that guarantees the unity of experience and of the cogito because he is good and therefore not deceiving. I know I simplified a lot in saying this, but that's the gist of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 10:29:15 2018 No.11915997 >>11915567 >Not saying Philips and flathead Wtf, are you not American?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 11:13:56 2018 No.11916140 >>11915435 Deleuze invalidated his theories

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 11:20:54 2018 No.11916159 >>11915567 Didn't Heidegger said the same thing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 11:23:24 2018 No.11916162 >>11915435 Cuz look at your pic, OP, he snagged a real QT despite not having a particularly handsome face, clearly he did something right

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 12:06:58 2018 No.11916293 >>11916140 Lolwut

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 12:10:48 2018 No.11916310 Bumping

Anonymous Thu Oct 11 13:15:59 2018 No.11916578
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>>11915435
Have the pasta I guess. Give a listen to DeLanda or one of the intros (the first one is only 20 minutes long) and if it's up your alley give him a read.

A decent short summary / intro to D&G:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EHnrE3j9kg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lajsoQJ0V6A

A lot of the stuff here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4CtHPqv6eKr8pYqe8qEoEA/videos?disable_polymer=1

Everything by Manuel DeLanda:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=manuel+delanda

A bit more on the Nietzsche-Deleuze relation through Klossowski (who dedicated his book about Nietzsche to Deleuze):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7l7ZAKZZZU

More on the Deleuze-Nietzsche relation (the entire series is fascinating if you're into Nietzsche):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFFxnf92XqY

The Deleuze for the Desperate series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS35vUMhww4

Derrida's lecture about Deleuze (mistitled, it's about Stupidity not Forgiveness):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_r-gr3ccik

There's probably a lot more, there are Vimeo videos as well which don't feature on Youtube.

Pirate Deleuze's Abecedaire (it should have English subtitles) as I can't find it streamed in full online anywhere.

As for the books, start with the essay and interview collections (in no particular order): Dialogues, Negotiations, Desert Islands, Two Regimes of Madness, Essays Critical and Clinical. "Letter to a Harsh Critic" in Negotiations is short (about 7 pages) and tells you how to read his texts. As for the books, start with Nietzsche and Philosophy (read the intro to the English translation by Michael Hardt even if you don't read the book in English). Deleuze's courses are also pretty accessible and translated in several languages: https://www.webdeleuze.com/

A decent bibliography:
https://immanentterrain.wordpress.com/biblio/

Anonymous Thu Oct 11 13:19:54 2018 No.11916593
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>>11916578
tbqh if you're familiar with Nietzsche a bit you can jump into Nietzsche & Philosophy and it's probably better than reading anything else first (Letter to a Harsh Critic is worth reading beforehand though).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 13:23:15 2018 No.11916608 >>11915435 did Zizek hate Deleuze because if he agreed he would be left without a job?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 15:45:48 2018 No.11917190 File: 161 KB, 1417x1417, 1510572554302.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11916608 What makes you say that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 15:50:10 2018 No.11917205 >>11916608 Zizek doesnt hate Deleuze at all tho

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 15:53:54 2018 No.11917214 >>11916608 >>11917205 Zizek hates the Capitalism and Schizophrenia series, but was influenced by Deleuze.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 17:26:13 2018 No.11917622 >>11915435 Deleuze is the Suggsverse of theory

Anonymous Thu Oct 11 17:31:38 2018 No.11917658

>>11917622
Literally who?

>>11917214
True, but that entire narrative of Deleuze being some naive metaphysician who was corrupted by Guattari and turned political is bullshit. The continuity between his individual work and the texts written with Guattari, a continuity openly admitted by Deleuze, was pretty obvious from the start. Just because Nietzsche&Philosophy doesn't explicitly discuss the relation between capital and the state as "consumer" (for exampe the military-industrial complex) it doesn't mean that the call to political action wasn't there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 17:34:47 2018 No.11917675 >>11917622 I'm done, is there literally ANYTHING that can beat the Deluzian process power rankings wise

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 17:34:59 2018 No.11917677 >>11915567 >One day you lose your cross-shaped screw driver. Then you realize a slot-drive does the trick just fine. It doesn't, though.

Anonymous Thu Oct 11 18:46:30 2018 No.11918028

>>11915483
Isn't it common sense for us now, but pretty unique for when it was written? It wasn't until the late 30's-40's that Klein's Object Relation Theory that they reference a lot was even developed, which is incredibly obvious now but huge back then

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 20:16:40 2018 No.11918404 Deleuze is like Zen. You either get it or you don't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 20:19:00 2018 No.11918414 >>11915435 >You think Freud phoned in schizophrenia >You're joining the IDF >You really like octopodes Lots of reasons

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 20:19:20 2018 No.11918417 >>11916159 Heidegger said first pretty much everything french intellectuals came to say later. His work is so vast and groundbreaking that most of those french intellectuals made a career by understanding one aspect of it and exploring it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 21:09:33 2018 No.11918596 >>11918404 cant you reduce everything to that binary?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 21:16:58 2018 No.11918617 >>11918417 Deleuze didnt like heidegger

Anonymous Fri Oct 12 06:07:02 2018 No.11920253

>>11918417
There are some important differences. If you look at some common influences for Deleuze and Heidegger, whether it's Nietzsche or Leibniz, the interpretations diverge quite a bit.

>>11918617
That's a bit of a simplification, Deleuze said he didn't find Heidegger useful for his own work and frequently attacked phenomenology's limits, but I wouldn't say he ever focused on Heidegger, unless there's some text I overlooked. He did criticize his reading of Nietzsche a bit, but that's done in passing.

Anonymous Fri Oct 12 06:13:27 2018 No.11920265

>>11918028
Well much of the stuff that's common sense today (mostly due to cognitivism and behaviourism developing together) was already developed by Spinoza and Nietzsche. In fact, many self help books at the beginning of the 20th Century were explicitly referencing that part of Nietzsche (will to power coupled with perspectivism). It's a bit weird in fact that Deleuze avoids that side of Spinoza for some reason (unlike Antonio Damasio for example) while constantly developing, over his entire career, Nietzsche's perspectivism (including in his work with Guattari).

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 06:18:24 2018 No.11920277 He moves philosophy past the Hegel/Marx era

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 06:21:31 2018 No.11920282 >>11917190 He wrote a book called Organs without Bodies. http://www.lacan.com/zizbenbrother.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 06:54:59 2018 No.11920329 >>11920282 I got that part, I meant what made you think he would be out of a job if he disagreed?

Anonymous Fri Oct 12 08:11:51 2018 No.11920497

>>11918617
>Deleuze didnt like heidegger
That always seemed scummy to me. You go and say you don't think some guy is all that great and then you take his work, reshape it a little and present it as yours and as something revolutionary. What's the deal with that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 08:36:16 2018 No.11920576 >>11920497 Well, it worked to sell his books to philosophical consumers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 10:07:20 2018 No.11920807 >>11920497 >you take his work, reshape it a little and present it as yours and as something revolutionary Convince me that this is the case. Go on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 10:13:10 2018 No.11920830 >>11920497 how is Deleuze fucking anything like Heidegger? Deleuze is fundementally anti-transendental

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>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 10:41:08 2018 No.11920904 >>11920830 >thinking Heidegger is transcendental Dafuq niqqa? >>11920880 Zizek and Badiou are both cheap Deleuze-Heidegger clones.

Anonymous Fri Oct 12 11:36:38 2018 No.11921055

>>11920904
Man you make some sweeping untrue statements. You can argue that Zizek and Badiou are Lacanians and Lacan was influenced by Heidegger, but that's not the same thing as saying they're Heideggerians or Heidegger clones. Nor are they truly Deleuzian, in fact they misunderstood and criticized Deleuze quite often (which is not to say they did not understand some important stuff which they did copy).

Also still waiting for an aswer for >>11920807

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 17:31:30 2018 No.11922596 >>11920904 >Badiou check the filename, the truth is out there

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 17:37:09 2018 No.11922628 >>11915435 who is the qt?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 17:47:42 2018 No.11922673 >>11922628 Gilles Deleuze.

Anonymous Fri Oct 12 17:52:20 2018 No.11922697
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>>11915465
This.
>>11915472
But meaning is the dumptruck of territoriality, so it cannot be in, or under, but rather, always on; adding or dropping, much less "actually" meaning, so to say, means nothing, but always unloads a whole new dimension. Understand?
>>11915567
This.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 17:54:26 2018 No.11922709 >>11922673 kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 19:44:25 2018 No.11923228 >>11922697 Deluze doesn't make sense

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 19:44:58 2018 No.11923231 >>11922673 based

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