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1191539 No.1191539 [Reply] [Original]

what do you guys think of the book or just fight club in general

>> No.1191550

Garbage. Enjoy junior high.

>> No.1191564

palanhiuk has succeeded in being a writer who writes trash fiction disguised as subversive literature, that is targeted at skeptic high schooler's so he can appear to be a writer of merit while in fact hes just another genres Dean Koontz or Dan Brown

>> No.1191573

Even the author admits the movie was better. Ultimately the problem with the franchise is that high schoolers misidentify. They see Tyler Durden as the hero and think that he's got the right idea, when its just the reverse. The narrator transcends his juvenile delusions of rebellion, and tells Tyler to fuck off.

>> No.1191589

>>1191573
it's not 'just' the reverse, it's pretty clearly a dialectic. society (and the narrator at the beginning of the movie) is the thesis, Tyler Durden and Project Mayhem are the antithesis, and the narrator at the end of the movie is the synthesis. The movie pretty clearly represents Project Mayhem as equally wrong in its reaction to a fucked-up society. Although you are certainly right that the revolt of Tyler Durden is pretty clearly puerile, immature, unrealistic, and leads to as much homogeneity and dehumanization as the society it fights, the movie in no way endorses society or dismisses going against society as such.

>> No.1191592

I'll tell you something you don't know. Palahniuk is praised, yeah, not in america, not in england. Here, in latin america, Palahniuk is read by professors, hipsters and students. If spanish speaking intellectuals had to pick the best northamerican author we'd have it hard between McCarhty and Palahniuk, as both are obligated lectures on colleges. Personally, i'd choose Palahniuk, i thought his best was Fight Club until Rant came out.

Also, here in my country, reading Palahniuk makes you look smart, as all the professors read him and lick his balls.

I don't get why you guys don't like him tho... maybe he's misplaced.

>> No.1191603

>>1191589
You're right, I apologize if I implied that Tyler was in fact the sole extreme. I simply meant to say that he was not to be regarded as an ideal, but rather as an overboard outcry against the alienation of the narrator.

>> No.1191605

>>1191592
Well, it's the third world, they wouldn't get Franzen, DeLillo, Pynchon or Eggers.

>> No.1191608

>>1191605
Casuals don't, we academics do. I've read Pynchon.

>> No.1191612

>>1191608
Would you say that Palahniuk is a superior writer to Pynchon? Because that would seem, well, insane to most literate Americans, I think.

>> No.1191615

>>1191592

You guys are weird

>> No.1191621

>>1191612
That's what i'm talking about. Could it be that diferent cultures can make an awesome author average and bothways?

Most professors and authors here would go with Palahniuk.

>> No.1191625

>>>1191621
>Could it be that lack of culture can make an average author look awesome to uneducated people?

>> No.1191624

>>1191621
Just so we're absolutely clear, those professors are fluent in English right?

>> No.1191635

>>1191621
That is truly, truly, truly weird. I can't credit it, myself. I mean, I think Palahniuk is underrated (in a weird way) by people on here because of his popularity, but I'd hardly call him a great. What's the basis for this reputation? What sort of qualities of his are trumpeted?

>>1191625
Oh, shut up with this shit, you just make yourself look stupid.

>> No.1191644

>>1191624
Well yeah... i know you guys think third world got no culture but poverty and shit actually makes us have more. To be a professor here you need to have a PhD, had been in France for a year or two and shit.

>>1191625
Same goes for you my racist friend. Most of us speak more than two lenguages.

>> No.1191652

>>1191644
Well I don't mean any insult, its just I've found the english of Palahniuk to be a little bland and uninteresting (but only read two of his books) some good ideas but rather poor execution.

>> No.1191663

>>1191635
His prose.

We got latin american boom authors up our asses all day everyday, people like Vargas Llosa, Márquez and Cortázar. Their prose is beautiful, well constructed and really really prodigious.

New authors, we can call them post-latinamerican boom authors, are getting into an experimental form of prose, more cold, cacophonic and minimalist.

Palahniuk is admired for that, for being the other side of the moon. He doesn't care about beauty or canonic literary value on his works. He just write, write, write, avery sentence seems claustrophobic and tense, he pushes boundaries like on Pigmy.

So, new spanish literature takes the death of the big names as an excuse to explore the land they were afraid too. Palahniuk is one really good starting point to that land.

Excuse my english, i'm fluent reading and hearing it; i'm terrible when it comes to write down shit.

>> No.1191668

>>1191663

That's depressing

>> No.1191669

>>1191668
I guess you can check out Mario Bellatín(Salón de Belleza) or Jorge Volpi(Oscuro bosque oscuro), then decide.

I'm not saying they are influenced directly by Chuck. Take that into account.

>> No.1191674

>>1191669
I would but honestly spanish is pretty low on my list of cool languages to learn.

>> No.1191675

>>1191674
As far as i know, they got translations.

>> No.1191679

>>1191675
Yeah, but i can't appreciate the how a language is used by translation, I mean with a side by side translation I can enjoy Octavio Paz, but with something like a novel its not as easy. When you read a translation you may as well just read the cliff's notes.

>> No.1191703

>>1191679
agreed always better to read in your own language

>> No.1191707

>what do you guys think of the book or just fight club in general
I'm not supposed to talk about it. :(

>> No.1191713

>>1191573
I don't see what's wrong with rebellion, you fuckin' reactionaries cunt.

>> No.1191749

>>1191713
Palahniuk's point (and the point that Anon meant to make, as we have later established) is not that rebellion is wrong or society is good. It's that the sort of reaction embodied in Tyler Durden is ultimately futile and deadening and destructive. Again, hegelian dialectic - thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

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>>1191707

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>>1191749
Okay. You're reasonable. I did just say that because there are many fat americans burguer-wise reactionaries cunt who can't get out of their mom basements and stay the time here saying garbage and defending their middle-class point of view.

>> No.1191761

>>1191749
>>1191758

/lit/: Come for the books, stay for the 13-year old European kids

>> No.1191763

>>1191758
Whoa, whoa, whoa, you can bash Americans, but leave the innocent, mouth-watering, succulent cheeseburgers out of this.

>> No.1191764

>>1191763
THE CHEESEBURGERS NEVER DID ANYTHING TO HURT YOU. THEY'RE SO INNOCENT AND PURE. HOW CAN YOU HURT THEM.

>> No.1191766

>>1191749
Thats the whole point of the ending of the book.

The narrator was too passive, Tyler was too agressive.

The narrator killed himself and Tyler was murdered.

The two characters were merged into one at the end(confirmed by Author).

>> No.1191783

>>1191761
That's the minority. I think it is the place for morbid obese fat cunts who can't go out of their dark basements.
>>1191763
>>1191764
My fault, guys. Say to the burguers I'm sorry.

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>>1191758
>burguer

At first I thought he meant bourgeois. None of the rest of sentence made any fucking sense, so I guess it would fit.

>> No.1191808

>>1191807
Jus' chillin', bro.

>> No.1192771

Mister Palahniuk is a pretty passable author. It's readable at least, and it has an odd way of keeping your attention.

I enjoyed it, but then again it's not an overwhelmingly good book.

>> No.1192814

Loved the movie, then bought the book. The book failed in being loved by me.

>> No.1192847

I liked Survivor better

>> No.1192858

I hated survivor, absolutely hated it.

>> No.1193035

I thought it was a decent read. I've read better, but it was worth my time.

>> No.1193044

Palahniuk is someone I'm about to begin reading. So far all I've read is Stranger Than Fiction.

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1193964

.... everyone's insulting this book, i personally loved it, the only reason people are insulting it is because teenagers pretend to love it. if no1 liked this book/movie you would be saying it's genius.
i prefer the book ending to the film, but the movie ending was more hollywood.

also on a side note i'm reading the survivor by Chuck Palahniuk a quarter of the way through and i cant stop reading i need to know how it ends.

also no point trying to spoil the ending i'm off.