New /lit/ suffering chart thread

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New /lit/ suffering chart thread Anonymous Mon Oct 8 08:38:48 2018 No.11900567 [Reply] [Original]

Previous thread (>>11880810) reached bump limit.

>What is this?
Pure memery mixed with some serious input.

>WhAt dOsE "DeServd" mEan??
"How much they deserved it" means suffering in general, not the amount that they received.

Remember to keep the file in .png while editing it.

Currently pending suggestions:
>Deleuze: S60, D20
>Guattari: S40, D20
>Popper: S55, D85
>Modiano: S75, D25
>Dworkin S75, D15
>Dr. Frankenstein (30,55)
>John Proctor (20, 60)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 08:42:00 2018 No.11900573 >>11900567 this is so forced demap yoursef

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 08:48:05 2018 No.11900586 >>11900573 >Bawwww, look at me, I'm terribly butthurt because people disagreed with me over where we should put some author I don't like! They called me a /pol/tard, these filthy lefties, and implied that Jews and women can suffer too!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 08:49:50 2018 No.11900588 will give you general directions instead of coordinates: Hegel and Kant, lower right Schelling, upper left Jünger, lower left Evola, upper left Guenon, lower right Amy Ireland upper right Sloterdijk upper left William Gass upper right

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 08:53:44 2018 No.11900597 Memerson suffering at 45 vs willy burroughs suffering at 15. No >>11900573

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 08:54:41 2018 No.11900599 >>11900567 >Trump >4chan screepcap >4chan board >sci-fi >memes unrelated to anything Why would you ruin a chart like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 08:56:39 2018 No.11900601 >>11900597 Also pkd at 15 suffering, absolute state of lit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 08:59:00 2018 No.11900607 File: 214 KB, 427x576, 9A1C2F25-E440-4936-83E2-F60D58B8BDDA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where does The Minotaur go?

Anonymous Mon Oct 8 09:01:14 2018 No.11900610
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>>11900599
Here is the original one, made by /his/, for reference.

>>11900597
>>11900601
You can edit them if you want to. They were added at some point in the previous thread and nobody questioned their position.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 09:01:57 2018 No.11900611 >>11900601 pkd shouldn’t even be mentioned

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 09:14:53 2018 No.11900628 >>11900567 >Grendel at 85 Deserving, 75 Suffering >Grendel's Mother at 95 deserving, 60 suffering

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 09:18:59 2018 No.11900637 >>11900610 Who is the black guy with a Portuguese thingy on the head. Top right

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 09:24:04 2018 No.11900651 >>11900637 Alberto Barbarosa

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 09:25:26 2018 No.11900653 >>11900637 it's Alberto Barbosa.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 09:25:43 2018 No.11900654 >>11900599 Trump is a writer though.

Anonymous Mon Oct 8 09:55:47 2018 No.11900723

>>11900567
>>11900588
Evola should be moved more to the right -- I mean, he got himself bombed by walking out during air raids.

How did Schelling suffer? He would be lower left, something like 25-35.

>>11900597
Boroughs should definitely be bumped up d80, s30 -- despite killing his wife, he was remorseful.

Memerson should move down to like s20 or something like that.

>>11900607
Maybe something like d20, s20 -- to my knowledge he doesn't deserve anything bad, nor has he undergone that much, aside from the usual bumps in life.

Changes:
Beauvoir: d85, s40 -- more S
Derrida: d90, s25 -- less S
GRR Martin: d95, s15 -- less S
Wilde: d85, s50 -- more S
Tolkein: d5, s35 -- more S

I also feel like this whole project would look better if all the images were greyscaled.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:08:09 2018 No.11900751 >>11900723 >I also feel like this whole project would look better if all the images were greyscaled. Sure, although finding greyscaled pictures of living authors is at times difficult. Or not even living authors, but Fat Bugs or Clarence the Carrot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:10:51 2018 No.11900758 >>11900567 >Gregor Samsa didn't deserve it t. Gregor Samsa

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:30:40 2018 No.11900802 >>11900758 Samsa did nothing wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:35:50 2018 No.11900819 Anna Frank where?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:36:04 2018 No.11900821 I feel like Lolita should be S90 D10 to contrast with HH at S10 D90

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:46:15 2018 No.11900857 >>11900819 somewhere top left or mid-top left

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:46:51 2018 No.11900860 File: 50 KB, 611x355, tpleb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11900611 wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:48:13 2018 No.11900866 >>11900610 >hey were added at some point in the previous thread and nobody questioned their position. two people quested pkd's position you turbo brainlet. you probably don't recognise who the people are

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:48:59 2018 No.11900867 Where would stirner go ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:50:37 2018 No.11900872 >>11900866 I was talking mostly about Memerson and Burroughs. >you probably don't recognise who the people are the absolute state of /lit/ shitposters

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:50:45 2018 No.11900873 Add post your novel ideas tapir with high deserved 0 suffering

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 10:54:54 2018 No.11900879 >>11900872 take your meme garbage back to his

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 11:00:48 2018 No.11900894 >>11900588 Kant is lower left >>11900567 Marx should be higher. Martin should be at D70. Put King in his place instead. Put Kierkegaard as S75:D10

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 11:32:16 2018 No.11900985 >>11900567 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegesias_of_Cyrene no pic of the guy, and no primary source, but man this should fit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 12:35:44 2018 No.11901210 Immaneul Kant 25s 5d

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Anonymous Mon Oct 8 12:57:36 2018 No.11901287

>>11900567
Dr. Frankenstein deserved a lot of suffering

>Create being, run away because it looks a little creepy
>Tell nobody that it just left somewhere, just forget about it
>It kills your family and frames someone else for the murder
>You know she didn't do it, but sit through her entire trial and execution without saying a word
>Deny your creation the second chance of having a family

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 13:09:05 2018 No.11901339 This is a shitty meme. Stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 13:50:16 2018 No.11901537 Bolano: 10, 35

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 13:51:32 2018 No.11901543 Janny you’re already on a rampage please strike here next

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 13:54:13 2018 No.11901554 >>11900567 >>11901220 DFW deserved at least 60

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 13:58:14 2018 No.11901571 >>11900567 >Shakespeare >deserved 75, suffered 10 ???

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 13:58:29 2018 No.11901574 >>11900610 If they put Franz Joseph that high up then Woodrow Wilson should absolutely be higher. Certainly not at 0 suffering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 13:58:45 2018 No.11901576 Severe cringe Everyone in this thread should kill themselves

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 13:59:18 2018 No.11901578 >>11901571 I believe it's Cervantes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:01:24 2018 No.11901589 File: 98 KB, 900x675, shake.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11901578 No, it's not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:01:39 2018 No.11901591 >>11901574 Franz Joseph had his entire royal status dissolved making him the shameful tombstone of a universe utterly dismantled in front of him, his entire life turned into a laughable LARP What happened to Woodrow WIlson?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:02:59 2018 No.11901595 >>11901589 We got to edit that then. I believe he didn't suffer much, just deserved way less than 75, right?

Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:07:27 2018 No.11901614

>>11901595
Cervantes?
He suffered quite a bit in life, lived poor, fucked his hand up in war, was a slave for five years and a filed playwright after the miltiary. Didn't really catch a break until the very end of his life. Personally he seemed like a good guy, if a bit fierce. I'd give him d25 s60
If you mean Shakespeare we simply don't know enough about him to say anything.

Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:17:09 2018 No.11901655

>>11901614
I was thinking about Shakespeare. We know that he was a smug britbong, so that's 15 deserving by definition, and probably that's all. As for suffering, he lived that comfy aristocrat life, but he was probably kind of troubled - who else could've come up with such modern psychology 5 centuries ago?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:18:42 2018 No.11901661 File: 131 KB, 918x531, hamlet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why do few characters? I feel like some Shakespeare characters are obligatory here. Starting with Hamlet D: 60 S: 70

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:19:51 2018 No.11901667 File: 815 KB, 525x593, othello.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11901661 Othello D: 35 S: 60

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:20:57 2018 No.11901671 File: 99 KB, 418x391, iago.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11901667 Iago D: 100 S: 70 (tortured to death off-screen)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:22:08 2018 No.11901677 File: 998 KB, 801x714, Lear.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11901671 Lear D: 25 S: 95

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:23:13 2018 No.11901679 File: 1.09 MB, 732x638, Macbeth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11901677 Macbeth D: 95 S: 80

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:23:30 2018 No.11901680 >>11900567 Add Ezra pound to one of the 100 columns

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:25:47 2018 No.11901687 >>11901554 we love DFW here. it wouldn't be very /lit/ of us to put him at 60 even if he really beat up his wife.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:30:23 2018 No.11901705 I dont know how much of suffering would be but Borges going blind was a hard hit for someone who thought of himself "to not have lived life but read it"

Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:31:21 2018 No.11901710

>>11901655
Rumor is he's a fag and cuck/cuckholder so for the sake of meme maybe increase deserve to 25.
As for suffering we know at least his only son Hamnet died young close with Shakes father, which certainly influenced the themes in Hamlet. Overall yeah, he probably empathized some pretty anguishing stuff to write what he did. 15, 15, or 25, 25 seems like a proper, neutral place for the bard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:51:13 2018 No.11901778 >>11901571 He was a black woman. There’s your explanation right there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:58:13 2018 No.11901798 >>11900567 Tao Lin suffers about as much as DFW just by living day-to-day. I do agree that he deserves it more, though

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:04:05 2018 No.11901815 File: 47 KB, 474x474, nobel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nobel Literature Committee D: 90 S: 15

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:04:56 2018 No.11901816 >>11901815 kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:05:23 2018 No.11901818 File: 101 KB, 448x672, Herman_Melville.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Melville D: 10 S: 60

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:06:05 2018 No.11901819 >>11901798 go to bed Tao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:11:45 2018 No.11901843 >>11900723 Peterson seems like he has a genuinely hard time existentially. You can tell by the way he talks he's had at least one crisis at some point in his life, and at moments you can tell just how much he fears it again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:23:26 2018 No.11901887 >>11901843 Peterson makes a gorillion dollars shilling his shitty books when most writers starve

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:39:17 2018 No.11901954 >>11900610 Who's top right? Also, how did Jesus suffer more than Gaddafi? Being crucified surely can't be worse than being sodomized by a bayonet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:47:01 2018 No.11901975 File: 18 KB, 728x1122, stefan zweig is really good writer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11900567 Still no zweig faggots Stefan Zweig: S75, D15

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:47:27 2018 No.11901977 >>11900567 Please shift DFW to the far-right, thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:48:24 2018 No.11901982 >>11901975 oh shit i didnt seen it zweig: S75, D40

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 15:56:13 2018 No.11902031 >>11901977 ahem, >>11901687

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:00:24 2018 No.11902054 >>11901687 I think just as many people hate him here desu. Besides his writing he was a total asshole. He also fucked a bunch of his students and stalked some girl. Those weird asshole dfw copypasta's exist for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:11:06 2018 No.11902105 >plath, marx, foucault on the far right >ted not on the far right /pol/ shit already

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:13:20 2018 No.11902119 >>11902105 How is Ted /pol/? He's a centrist ecological technosceptic if anything. Nothing to do with left/right dichotomy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:15:02 2018 No.11902129 >>11902119 Murdering innocent people entitles you to a certain amount of deserved suffering. The others were clearly added based on meme understandings rather than their actual lives or writing content.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:16:16 2018 No.11902134 >>11900586 cringe

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:17:56 2018 No.11902142 >>11902129 but that wasn't him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:21:07 2018 No.11902156 File: 163 KB, 800x1267, 800px-Sam_Harris_2016_(cropped).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11901220 D: 45 S: 15 OP still there?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:23:09 2018 No.11902165 >>11902129 back to r/communism with you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:25:51 2018 No.11902177 What happened to this one >>11897481 ? Sellars and Land are out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:26:11 2018 No.11902179 >>11902156 I'm here. Will update the chart soon, although if you got plenty of contributions on your mind, feel free to add them. Icon size is 97x97 px.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:28:57 2018 No.11902191 >>11902165 typical crossposter response I would be surprised if you read anything at all outside of the internet

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:29:16 2018 No.11902196 File: 1.38 MB, 653x1033, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11902179 If you're incorporating characters in books D: 10 S:75

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:39:16 2018 No.11902238 File: 46 KB, 386x281, raskolnikov.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'd say Raskolnikov's probably somewhere around (70, 50). Also, >Plath at 55

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:41:31 2018 No.11902247 File: 20 KB, 97x97, ophelia97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11902179 >Icon size is 97x97 px. Oh, sorry about that then. Another Shakes character, Ophelia. D: 5 S: 70

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:42:30 2018 No.11902248 >>11900567 Guattari deserves his suffering much more. Head fungus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 16:44:30 2018 No.11902258 >>11902238 >using an axe as a blunt instrument

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 18:02:51 2018 No.11902553 >>11902238 And where would you want Plath? At 90?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 18:28:09 2018 No.11902656 Joyce should be in the bottom right somewhere. I'd complain about Trump being on there but he did write some superb literature tbqhwyf

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 18:33:20 2018 No.11902689 >>11901220 >Evola and Gentile at 15 deserving >Marx at 90 Yikes

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 18:36:16 2018 No.11902712 File: 22 KB, 97x97, Iago.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Iago for 90, 30

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 18:41:58 2018 No.11902742 >>11900567 This chart is absolutely r/eddit

Anonymous Mon Oct 8 18:45:59 2018 No.11902758

>>11902553
Lower. Attempting to kill yourself when you don't get into a writing course is hardly suffering.
>muh Daddy's dead
Sorry your dad died young, but certainly not an irregular occurrence
>muh Ted cheated on me
She was crazy
>muh electrotherapy
Sometimes sketchy, but still in use today

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 18:47:29 2018 No.11902770 >>11902758 This. No one on that list should be higher than 10 suffering because none of that shit is actually suffering

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 19:35:41 2018 No.11902946 Still waiting for OP. >>11902712 I got him at 100, 70. At least he definitely deserves 100.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 20:09:11 2018 No.11903060 This is awful but kind of funny I guess. Could be used as a good bait image in the near future

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 20:29:27 2018 No.11903136 >>11901220 JK Rowling was already on the chart. >(70,10)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 21:18:02 2018 No.11903347 >>11900610 ya dun got Hitler n Jesus mixed on up

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 22:08:50 2018 No.11903577 File: 3.10 MB, 2199x2163, 1539016628110-2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Update.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 22:22:25 2018 No.11903633 File: 4 KB, 135x250, 1500420808086s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11903577 at 15, 5 pl0x

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 22:24:57 2018 No.11903649 >>11903633 The only real answer in this thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 22:27:49 2018 No.11903655 File: 48 KB, 149x159, underground.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11903577 Underground Man 85, 85

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 22:43:42 2018 No.11903715 File: 17 KB, 97x97, don.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11903577 Don Quixote D: 5 S: 45

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 22:44:44 2018 No.11903720 File: 19 KB, 97x97, Sancho97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11903577 Sancho Panza D: 10 S: 45

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 23:01:25 2018 No.11903764 >>11901220 Savannah Brown at 10,60

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 23:04:08 2018 No.11903772 >>11903577 who is the tranny at 100,0

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 23:06:01 2018 No.11903777 >Listing the Y axis first

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 23:12:36 2018 No.11903797 File: 18 KB, 97x97, candide97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11903577 Candide D: 20 S: 85

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 23:37:42 2018 No.11903884 >>11903772 Milk and Honey

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 00:03:59 2018 No.11903992 File: 19 KB, 97x97, stavrogin97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11903577 Stavrogin D: 85 S: 70

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 00:06:21 2018 No.11904004 >>11900867 Stirner would be outside of the chart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 00:09:08 2018 No.11904009 File: 7 KB, 97x97, maxstirner97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11903577 >>11904004 Yeah, have him be ???, ??? in the lower left. If /a/ can do that then so can we.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 00:27:47 2018 No.11904070 Don’t you think this a tad reductive?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 00:35:18 2018 No.11904095 File: 1.15 MB, 1469x2048, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11903577 S:80, D:30

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 00:36:38 2018 No.11904102 >>11901982 Why is Zweig D:40? Dude ran into nothing but shitty situations and lived most of his life in unwanted exile

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 00:47:16 2018 No.11904126 File: 5 KB, 97x97, dan97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11903577 Dan Schneider D: 65 S:10 And that's it for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 00:54:44 2018 No.11904142 Zizek at D35 S30. Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 01:02:22 2018 No.11904169 >>11900802 you don't know how to read kafka

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 01:04:26 2018 No.11904175 >>11900567 Deleuze threw himself from a hospital window

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 01:13:55 2018 No.11904201 >>11904169 This

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 01:55:34 2018 No.11904308 File: 3.43 MB, 2199x2163, 1539016628110-8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Update before bed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 02:05:56 2018 No.11904334 File: 3.43 MB, 2199x2163, 1539016628110-10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Update before bed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 02:12:40 2018 No.11904349 K - The Castle 60 suffering 70 deserved

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 02:17:51 2018 No.11904367 >>11903655 came here to post this

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 02:50:19 2018 No.11904457 >>11904334 Why is some random kid where sancho should be?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:04:01 2018 No.11904497 File: 34 KB, 662x712, 2661.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11904334 replace /lit/ with pic related tripfag, move /lit/ and /pol/ way down, put zrk somewhere medium high and right

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:16:45 2018 No.11904526 >>11904334 >[ replace the shitty clown with judith butler or put her at 15,80

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:36:48 2018 No.11904563 File: 3.14 MB, 2199x2163, 23424.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Someone else can take over for now

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:41:27 2018 No.11904574 >>11904563 >Nietzsche and Kierk deserving 90 What the fuck dude.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:44:29 2018 No.11904579 File: 20 KB, 474x528, 880.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nietzsche is the father of fedora tipping nihilists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:44:37 2018 No.11904580 File: 745 KB, 1816x2354, Lustra_(private_print)_-_Ezra_Pound_-_Frontispiece.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Alright, I now it's controversial, but Pound's gotta be on here. I say D: 75, S: 85

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:50:23 2018 No.11904592

>>11904563
Fernando Pessoa did not suffer within 5 units of Kafka. I can tell you that much.

Virginia Woolf probably didn't deserve it that much lol and she probably suffered quite a bit more than the over ton window.

Shakespeare deserves it more.

Stephen King deserves it less. Proust deserves it less. Kierkegaard obviously deserves it less. The original chart was made with serious deliberation and should remain as such.

Hitler didn't suffer that much and deserves it a tad more.

Gramsci and Nietzsche were not that bad.

I would reconsider Tao Lin, but wouldn't split hairs on anything else.

I nominate John Maus for 25,85

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:50:31 2018 No.11904593

>>11904579
Nietzsche BTFO'd a lot of bad philosophy and continued to write despite spiraling into insanity and having degenerate family members. Fedora-tippers can eat a cock, whoever invented a way to proliferate philosophy via computers/mass communication is who you're thinking of.

Also Locke can get fucked

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:51:51 2018 No.11904597 >>11903777 they're getting excited

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:53:43 2018 No.11904600 >>11904563 Why does the Frankenstein monster deserve anything? The entire point was that he was an abomination who didn't wish to be created and he was already suffering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:58:05 2018 No.11904609 >>11904600 I think it because Mary Shelley and Lord Byron were the opponents of King Ludd, and generally just spoiled brats. Bad of you dislike the advent of automation. Where is "he" exactly on the chart? Is Donny D there? Is Ayn Rand there?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 04:02:27 2018 No.11904628 >>11904600 Didn't he murder a kid?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 04:06:10 2018 No.11904644 >>11904563 Freud: 95,50 Young: 10,25

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 04:12:16 2018 No.11904671 >>11900610 They think Bach suffered more than Mozart... The fuck? This whole thing is invalidated Also where is Ludwig Van

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 04:24:53 2018 No.11904728 File: 3.64 MB, 2199x2163, sfrgchart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11904563

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 04:29:34 2018 No.11904743 >>11904728 Is John Kennedy Toole on there? Put him for 65 suffering, 15 deserving

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 04:34:09 2018 No.11904754 >>11904743 top left.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 05:27:55 2018 No.11904860 >>11904728 >Overwriting and changing positions Stop

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 05:34:28 2018 No.11904865 File: 640 KB, 904x1030, Hickock_and_Smith.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where do they go?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 07:23:11 2018 No.11905032 >>11904865 mid-left

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 08:39:49 2018 No.11905188 >>11904644 >Tfw Yung Sigmund and Yung Carl would make some dope ass rapper names

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 09:54:47 2018 No.11905400

>>11904728
Bruh, change Kierk. There's no reason he should be at 90. I'm tired of people ragging on the guy. /his/ did it but I thought /lit/ would have more sense for one of their favorite philosophers. He did nothing other than be a little smug and autistic. Move him to D: 30 or 40.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 10:08:32 2018 No.11905431
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>>11904728
Conrad
D: 55 S: 65
He was a cynical asshole and hated just about everyone. Also was depressive his whole life and had crippling physical issues. All around miserable guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 10:49:25 2018 No.11905533 File: 7 KB, 97x97, eliot97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] D: 45 S: 75

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 11:23:11 2018 No.11905622 File: 68 KB, 363x361, Mark fisher.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mark Fisher S:75, D:0

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 11:56:07 2018 No.11905739 File: 18 KB, 97x97, sade97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11904728 >no de Sade yet D: 100 S: 45

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 12:27:38 2018 No.11905852 Leopardi suffered 100 deserved 20 Caesar suffered 70 deserved 40 Edmond Dantes suffered 80 deserved 25 At least 1 of these 3 if they're to many

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 12:31:18 2018 No.11905864 Can someone explain why JP is 45/40?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 12:33:41 2018 No.11905873 >>11905864 he's suffering for the entire western civilization.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 12:41:06 2018 No.11905899

>Ben Shapiro deserves 10 suffering
>Marx deserved 90
>Foucault deserved 95
>Trump deserves 5
ok buddy (retard)

What did that gay French twink poet at 45/80 (can't remember his name) do to deserve 45?

Also add Hitler pls

And I think Rupi Kaur suffered more than 5, some of her poetry is a bit dark. It might make more sense to put her at like 20.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:09:50 2018 No.11905988 >>11905899 >ok buddy (retard) >What did that gay French twink poet at 45/80 (can't remember his name) do to deserve 45? >Also add Hitler pls >And I think Rupi Kaur suffered more than 5 yikes

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:14:41 2018 No.11906004 >>11905899 That's Rimbaud.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:20:38 2018 No.11906016 >>11900567 >>11900610 >John green's positions Lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:32:06 2018 No.11906057 File: 3.82 MB, 2199x2163, updated.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:35:47 2018 No.11906071 Why is Hillary on here. That's /pol/ shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:36:06 2018 No.11906074 >>11906071 she wrote a book man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:44:41 2018 No.11906107 >>11906057 anyone got the original image with don quixote?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:50:36 2018 No.11906132 >>11900567 I wonder who was the idiot who put Céline so far to the right

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:54:53 2018 No.11906143 >>11900654 No he isn't. And it's absurd to put him at "50 suffering" AND "0 deserved it", even if you have his orange cock in your mouth. The IQ of this place gets lower everyday.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:55:22 2018 No.11906146 >>11900610 >Voltaire >Ivan the Terrible >Marx >Codreanu >Mandela Memetic garbage

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:56:19 2018 No.11906149 >>11906143 wow you sound like a butthurt liberal stupid head are you.... triggered? chuckles

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:58:27 2018 No.11906155 >>11906149 Just exhausted with dumbasses still defending this dumbass. He's one of the stupidest people alive with no intellectual curiosity whatseover. Go back to /pol/, brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 14:03:50 2018 No.11906178 >>11906143 but he's not at 50 suffering and 0 deserved... what are you talking about...

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 14:10:50 2018 No.11906197

>>11902054
Why is it that you retards are so quick to believe these things? About Mary Karr, Author, and her #MeToo moment on a dead man's body. About random anecdotes and memes about some dude who can never defend himself. Fuck you faggots, you're just as bad as the normies clammoring after every "victim" who wants their 15 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 14:12:20 2018 No.11906200 >>11901954 >Jesus Jesus is S100, D0. Christianity as a foundation rests on Jesus being S100, D0. You simply can't name any other being, fiction or real, who is more suited to be placed at S100, D0 than Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 14:14:51 2018 No.11906202 Cassandra (Greek Mythology), S100 D5

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:02:17 2018 No.11906405 >>11906155 >Just exhausted with dumbasses still defending this dumbass. sounds like leftwing rhetoric.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:05:06 2018 No.11906420 >>11906200 >Christianity as a foundation rests on Jesus being S100, D0. Not really, no. Theoretically speaking Christianity rests on the teachings of Christ and the interpretations by people involved in the papacy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:10:43 2018 No.11906454 >>11905988 Ok so irony isn't popular around here

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:12:30 2018 No.11906466 >>11906454 This board is all about meta-irony. regular irony is disregarded altogether. Also, I feel like Pessoa/Kafka/Dazai should all be moved to 100S of their respective D columns.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:14:31 2018 No.11906476 File: 20 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] WHat about the blob from "I have no mouth and i must scream"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:19:11 2018 No.11906496 I like the mix of authors and fictional characters. Milton's Lucifer at (100, 100)?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:38:31 2018 No.11906565 >>11906074 That doesn't exactly make someone a literary figure. At least Hitler is well known for his book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:41:29 2018 No.11906578 What's up with Gramsci's placement. I don't think he exactly deserved his horrible life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:42:08 2018 No.11906583 test

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:55:35 2018 No.11906642 >>11906197 Even if DFW dindu nuffin he still was a self-obsessed hack that spearheaded one of the shittiest art movements ever. His meme reputation is equally hated as it is loved.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 15:59:39 2018 No.11906657 >>11901954 You severely underestimate the agony that is crusifiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:04:25 2018 No.11906676 >>11906057 Alright, less arguing, more noms. Falstaff D: 30 S: 40

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:05:27 2018 No.11906682 File: 21 KB, 97x97, falstaff97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11906676 forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:09:17 2018 No.11906698 File: 35 KB, 194x97, RomeoJuliet194x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11906057 Romeo and Juliet Make a double space, D: 15, 20 S: 50

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:17:58 2018 No.11906733 terribly, terribly gay thing to post

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:24:48 2018 No.11906762 >>11906657 It’s not worse than consort Qi tho.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:29:46 2018 No.11906780

>>11901954
We went over this autism on /his/. The point is Christ not only suffered during crucifixion but was working his whole life towards what he believed was saving humankind and was essentially betrayed and humiliated for it. The idea is the man that least deserved it got it and got it bad. No one else could fit the spot on the chart better.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:33:33 2018 No.11906798

The first, and least controversial, thing thay popped in my head as I perused that image is that Virginia Woolf definitiely suffered a good deal more than the pic suggest. Chick walked into a river with stones in her pockets. She was seriously fucked in the head and no doubt suffered psychological torment beyond the understanding of almost anyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:37:30 2018 No.11906826 >>11900610 Cromwell on level with Trotsky and Caracalla? Garbage.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:39:16 2018 No.11906833

>>11906780
>Christ not only suffered during crucifixion but was working his whole life towards what he believed was saving humankind and was essentially betrayed and humiliated for it. The idea is the man that least deserved it got it and got it bad. No one else could fit the spot on the chart better

Hmmm

Uhmmmmm

After some thinking I gotta say ‘nope’, others had it worse... and have you read the Wiki page for Consort Qi????

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:45:51 2018 No.11906868 >>11900567 Please switch squares for Teddy Kaczynski and DFW thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:52:14 2018 No.11906895 >>11906057 why is the white man at 95 : 95

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:54:38 2018 No.11906916 >>11900567 >>>/trash/

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:56:08 2018 No.11906921

>>11900567
>Sartre
Literally a child molester. Move him to the right, right now. Right next to his student-abusing wife.
>Jordan Peterson
Move him to the right of Virginia Woolf.
>Sylvia Plath
Move her to the left. Have some decency.
>Houllebecq
Shift this perv all the way to the right. I don't make the rules.
>Mishima
Switch with DFW.
>Elliot Rodger
Three steps to the right, five steps down.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 17:07:34 2018 No.11906969 >>11906476 Ted? Obviously 100 suffering but I don't know how much he deserves. In the short story he dindu nuffin iirc but in the game he was a con artist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 17:25:01 2018 No.11907048 >>11906868 No, don't do that. That's too radical. Moving Ted bit to the left might be reasonable, but such switch would be just silly.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 17:29:19 2018 No.11907065

>>11900610
>Consort Qi
Oh, who's this?
>She then had Concubine Qi's limbs chopped off, blinded her by gouging out her eyes, cut off her tongue, cut off her nose, cut off her ears, forced her to drink a potion that made her mute, made her dumb with toxins, and locked her in the pigsty, and called her a "Human Swine" (人彘). Several days after, Emperor Xiaohui saw the "Human Swine", and after realising who the "Human Swine" was, the emperor was so sick of his mother's cruelty that he virtually relinquished his authority and indulged in carnal pleasures.
WHAT THE FUCK

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 18:03:59 2018 No.11907211 File: 1.28 MB, 2199x2163, 48383888j.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] here is a .jpg copy of the newest update, because it started to exceed 4mb and I have no time to shrink it now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 18:27:37 2018 No.11907297 >>11907211 Duplicate at (80,15) and (100,15)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 18:39:24 2018 No.11907348 >>11906826 /his/ is pretty pleb at times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 18:41:33 2018 No.11907362 >>11907211 Whos at Suffering 100, deserving 5? Gregor Samsa? Also, Jünger should be moved up a bit, in his late years he became quite depressed and even cut himself

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 19:09:29 2018 No.11907495 >>11900610 >junko furuta >15 deserving That poor girl did nothing wrong. Nobody deserves what happened to her. She ought to be tied with Consort Qi.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 19:20:19 2018 No.11907536

>>11907211
>Kierkegaard deserving suffering more than Hitler, Evola, Jordan Peterson, Elliot Rodger, Ted Kaczynski, Oscar Wilde, and Tao Lin
>Shakespeare deserving suffering more than Ben Shapiro
>Frankenstein's "monster" deserving suffering more than Elliot Rodger
>Mishima deserving suffering more than Hitler
>Virginia Woolf deserving suffering more than Jordan Peterson
>Darger deserving suffering more than Houllebecq, Ben Shapiro, Trump, or Evola
>Anne Frank deserving suffering more than DFW, Evola, Houllebecq, George Orwell, Ben Shapiro, or Trump
>child molester Sartre isn't as far to the right as his child molester wife
>DFW "suffered" more than Kafka
YOUR SHART IS SHIT, OP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 19:34:13 2018 No.11907572 >>11907536 DFW's position is mostly a meme.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 19:39:43 2018 No.11907601 >>11907536 Woolf was an uppity cunt. Otherwise I agree.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 19:40:13 2018 No.11907608 File: 371 KB, 1137x1421, EFF7E401-EE7B-430D-BC80-9D849BE618DB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] don quixote was a goddamned moron

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 19:45:26 2018 No.11907626 >>11907608 boi was just living out the fantasy for us all. Leave him alone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:05:47 2018 No.11907704 File: 2.16 MB, 2199x2163, 15391226392777.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11907536 Here try this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:07:56 2018 No.11907711 >>11907608 >and that's a good thing!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:10:07 2018 No.11907720 >>11907704 Better. I'd take Trump out altogether, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:14:52 2018 No.11907741 Is Max Stirner just going to stay like this? lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:16:16 2018 No.11907750 >>11907704 Put Kafka at 5,65 and Kirkegaard at 5,80

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:21:37 2018 No.11907778 >>11900567 Not going to bother opening it. But if Ted Kaczynski isn't top left, he should.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:22:08 2018 No.11907783 File: 10 KB, 97x97, smartass97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11907704 D: 25 S: 5 >>11907750 Nah, if anything Kafka should switch with Toole.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:24:15 2018 No.11907788 File: 3.73 MB, 2199x2163, antitroll.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A long needed fix to a bunch of the trolls

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:24:16 2018 No.11907789 Why is Anne Frank at 20 for D Also, let's put Holden Caulfield at D40 s50 and Othello at D35 S95

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:26:09 2018 No.11907796 >>11907788 /leftypol/ get out

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:28:01 2018 No.11907805 How about Trotsky for D25, S60?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:33:05 2018 No.11907831 File: 3.78 MB, 2199x2163, 423456346235555.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What next?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:35:25 2018 No.11907840 File: 19 KB, 97x97, HoldenCaulfield97x97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11907789 Holy shit, forgot all about Holden. 40, 50 is a good spot. >>11907831 fuck off

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:36:43 2018 No.11907845 >>11907831 Holden should be more deserving and less suffering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:38:55 2018 No.11907852 Also, let's add some classical characters. I'm thinking Ulysses should be d55, s95 and Hector should be 35, 100.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:39:05 2018 No.11907855 >>11907845 Explain why. He was suffering with mental illness and the death of his brother so he had a legitimate reason to complain about his alienation. It reflects Salingers experience in the war (we have him at 65 deserving for some reason)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:40:28 2018 No.11907861 >>11907852 Is Odysseus the one at 50,50? Should we add small labels to the ones that are hard to know who they are?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:41:27 2018 No.11907866 No Kevin MacDonald?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:41:38 2018 No.11907867 >>11907861 If that's Ulysses, his suffering needs to be higher. He spends 20 years desperately fighting his way past every threat imaginable just to get back home.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:43:12 2018 No.11907873 >>11907855 I don't think Holden is completely deserving or anything, but he causes a lot of his own problems by not caring about shit, and his suffering is purely internal, so he doesn't belong alongside Ophelia, who drowns herself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:45:27 2018 No.11907879 >>11907788 >>11907831 Simplicius at ???, 5

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:47:47 2018 No.11907889 >>11907831 Why is Hume so far right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:49:00 2018 No.11907897 >>11907704 >>11907788 Are we gonna ignore this blatant bullshit editing? Was it OP that did it? It's literally just a reversal to left wing bullshit now. I've wanted to see this through but I'm dropping if this is the 'official' chart now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:54:04 2018 No.11907919 >>11907831 I nominate Thoreau for 15,5

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:54:41 2018 No.11907925 File: 3.81 MB, 2199x2163, new33.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Moved Holden to appease the crowd Added Hector and Oedipus

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:56:10 2018 No.11907933 >>11907925 Move Mao Zedong to 15 deserved.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:59:12 2018 No.11907946 >>11907925 Meletus way right if he's not on there already

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:59:57 2018 No.11907951 >>11907925 wait what about sisyphus and Camus You can also throw in some characters from the king arthur mythos

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:01:01 2018 No.11907954 >>11907897 Agreed, the guy who moved Mao is shit at photoshop.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:02:25 2018 No.11907960

>>11906420
>Not really, no.
You are wrong my friend, wrong.

If Jesus is not S100, D0 then by definition the fundamental idea of Christ dying for our sins (which is THE pillar doctrine of Christianity) is false. I mean you could even forget about theology and take the C. Jung route and say that Jesus is the archetypical meta-hero/meta-human (which he again by definition has to be, in literal OR metaphorical sense) and even then he is S100, D0.

Same thing goes for Satan, but vice versa.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:04:51 2018 No.11907969 >>11907933 u serious friendo? mao was anti-lit, he'd definitely murder everyone that ever visited this board

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:05:03 2018 No.11907971 File: 3.85 MB, 2199x2163, new82348.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11907933 >>11907951 >>11907919

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:05:47 2018 No.11907979 >>11907925 Why the fuck was stoner replaced with Plath and why are there two Plaths now? Why is Marx D: 0 S: 65? Why is Hegel D: 0? Why were Mao, Foucault and Gramsci moved so far left? You think people wouldn't notice this nonsense?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:06:18 2018 No.11907983 >>11907960 I think that Jesus should be at 0, 100 if he was on the chart. But since /his/ already has him up there it's better just to leave him off the chart entirely.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:07:43 2018 No.11907987 >>11907979 I removed the second Plath. Marx has a heart of gold and didn't deserve any suffering. Same with Mao, Foucault and Gramsci

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:09:57 2018 No.11907993 >>11907971 Please stop fucking up the chart. You don't even know how to edit properly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:10:12 2018 No.11907996 >>11907987 fucking faggot commie. mao murdered millions of people and had a micropenis. take him off the list or move him as far to the right as possible.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:10:40 2018 No.11907998
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>>11907971
man this is a really polarized chart with people just suffering a lot
should we throw some harry potter characters in there to fill the middle?
Also put king arthur on or 50D,65S

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:11:52 2018 No.11908006

>>11907987
>I removed the second Plath.
Which one? Stoner certainly deserves the spot he had.
>Marx has a heart of gold and didn't deserve any suffering. Same with Mao, Foucault and Gramsci
You can mayvbe make a case for Marx being misinterpreted and an even guy himself, but he certianly isn't D: 0. And the rest is absolute bullshit, especially Mao. You've been doing your own tinkering independent of thread discussion which is fine to move things along but this ideological bullshit needs to go. Your Hitler/Evola edits were fine but just remove the rest or make it even.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:13:28 2018 No.11908017 >>11908006 Stoner was the cause of a lot of his problems. He figured it all out but only at the end of his life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:15:24 2018 No.11908023 >>11907971 George Bataille 10, 50

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:17:02 2018 No.11908032 >>11908023 crap I meant 50, 10

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:17:15 2018 No.11908033 >>11900610 >MLK >Anne Frank >same suffering dude what

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:18:02 2018 No.11908037 >>11908017 You could say the same thing about Plath but she didn't figure it out and just killed herself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:19:57 2018 No.11908044 >>11908023 How about 85S 35D? He went through a lot of shit with his mother and father. His father his mother went crazy and attempted to kill herself a bunch of times. He eventually had to abandon his father to die to the Germans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:47:45 2018 No.11908160 File: 3.90 MB, 2199x2163, upd3434.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Updated

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:48:12 2018 No.11908163 >>11907971 why the fuck is Sam Hyde still on here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:50:42 2018 No.11908166 >>11908163 He's a writer

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:53:38 2018 No.11908178 File: 15 KB, 300x300, cain.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11908160 Bringing politics into this was a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:57:12 2018 No.11908201 >>11908160 Remove Mao, you fucking tard. And you can add but stop fucking changing positions without consulting the thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 21:58:48 2018 No.11908213 >>11908201 Mao was moved in request of the thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:09:09 2018 No.11908267 >>11908160 add >>11904126 and >>11907783

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:13:17 2018 No.11908287 File: 938 KB, 1240x698, chinoiseJPLsunglasses.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11907996 Mao helped way more people than he killed. He made some bad economic judgement but that doesn't make him a bad person because he had good intentions.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:17:49 2018 No.11908319

>>11908287
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_of_landlords_under_Mao_Zedong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai
Yeah he had a real heart of gold there.
But seriously political shit should fuck off in this, same goes for Trotsky, Trump and Shapiro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:24:29 2018 No.11908353 >>11908319 He was only doing things for the better of all people. Some mistakes were made but it was a troublesome time

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:29:16 2018 No.11908384 >>11908287 >>11908319 >>11908353 Who gives a shit? Political figures don't even belong on the Chart. Only those who are most known for their writing should be included.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:29:52 2018 No.11908388 >>11908160 Why the fuck is David Hume's deservedness so high?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:31:52 2018 No.11908399 >>11908384 He is a philosopher

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:32:39 2018 No.11908405 >>11908353 >Hitler/Pol Pot/Stalin/Rwandan Hutu government was only doing things for the better of all people. Some mistakes were made but it was a troublesome time t. utilitarian shithead

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:36:39 2018 No.11908421 >>11908399 >implying that anyone would give a shit about him without his involvement in politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:37:43 2018 No.11908423 >>11908399 Please show where Mao's text has any serious significance as actual philosophy outside of the totalitarian state he set up and radical left groups/websites.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:46:26 2018 No.11908453

>>11908423
>Please show me how he had any significance outside of radically changing the political landscape of the largest populated nation in the world (a nation which will likely be the world's superpower within a generation).

This is what you're saying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:51:56 2018 No.11908475 >>11908453 Was it his writing that accomplished that?

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 22:55:32 2018 No.11908490

>>11908453
I'm saying if you can show me how he is a 'philosopher' beyond the confines of the state he was dictator of. Anybody can enforce some brand of a wider ideology on the state they rule. Hitler, Pol Pot, Oliver Cromwell are fucking 'philosophers' too then.

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 23:07:09 2018 No.11908548

>>11908475
His writing & theorizing of warfare were vital in the strategies of the Civil War. It is remarkable that he led a smaller, rural force to defeat a more coherent, organized army. I hope you realize I'm not a Maoist or advocating his philosophy; I just think it's insane to act as though Mao didn't have a remarkable impact as both a writer and leader.

>>11908490
If you're willing to call people like Sartre or Hobbes "political philosophers," even though they never had direct influence on the governing of a state, I think you have to concede that Mao was a political philosopher, since he actively shaped the functioning of the largest country in the world.

>beyond the confines of the state he was dictator of.
You should look for yrself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism#Maoism's_international_influence

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 23:08:57 2018 No.11908560 >>11908490 He wrote a book called Philosophy of Revolution

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 23:13:48 2018 No.11908588 Does Bruce Lee count? If so put him at 15, 30

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 23:15:37 2018 No.11908598 >>11908548 >theorizing of warfare >/his/

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 23:40:38 2018 No.11908725

>>11908548
So basically a bunch of radical left groups. If you'd read my comment earlier I said outside of radical left groups. His writings have no validity beyond fringe politics or places already communist. But sure, I can concede he was a technically 'philosopher' in some sense, but he's not a worthily noted literary figure. His claim to fame is a dictator and revolutionary, and if it weren't for that his reputation as a philosopher wouldn't be relevant enough to even make a mention here. And if we concede to state influence being the measure of noted literary figure and philosopher then we have every notable leader history who may have written his thoughts to include, and it's just not pertinent for the chart.
And this is ignoring the obvious ideological or moral bias to even having Mao on a chart like this, let alone him being a good boy that dindu nuffin (about as fringe of an opinion as Hitler being a good guy).

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 23:46:13 2018 No.11908746

>>11908725
Also I again implore OP, chartanon or whatever to remove obvious political figures. It's too controversial, runs contrary to the spirit of this, which was a fun thing until these figures started being inserted and moved willy-nilly. It should be noted no strongly politically-associated figures were ever nominated either, they were all added in by the chart operator and I have no idea why. The weak-ass justification offered is that they wrote books so they're technically writers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 23:56:33 2018 No.11908798 File: 2.27 MB, 2199x2163, 000000000999.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fixed version. If you're not good at using photoshop, don't try editing the chart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:01:06 2018 No.11908820 >>11908798 Good. Could leave Ignatius and Beckett where they were though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:08:09 2018 No.11908857 >>11908798 >/pol/ version Ruined

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:14:03 2018 No.11908892 File: 2.33 MB, 2199x2163, sufferingchart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11908798 Missed some of the new additions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:16:33 2018 No.11908901 >>11908857 >>11908798 yeah, move Evola to the center deserved and Gramsci some to the left and then I think it'll be a neutral chart for the most part.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:18:15 2018 No.11908909 File: 3.92 MB, 2199x2163, 235235.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ignore the /pol/ poster. He will leave eventually. Here is the current.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:18:56 2018 No.11908917 >>11908909 no one cares about you faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:19:30 2018 No.11908921 >>11908917 Go make the /pol/ version on /pol/. Leave us to make our own

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:21:29 2018 No.11908931 >>11908921 I just want a /lit/ chart that's actually about literary figures.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:21:57 2018 No.11908933 >>11908909 >>11908921 Why does it have to be either /pol/ or /leftypol/? Just delete the political fucks like I said. Why the hell dos this have to be a stubborn issue? Why do you gotta hijack this for your ideological trash?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:22:11 2018 No.11908935 >>11908931 Then we have to take off every politically charged answer

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:22:33 2018 No.11908936 Pound and artaud should be at the top somewhere

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:23:44 2018 No.11908942 >>11908935 No. Just remove the figures that have more to do with politics than literature.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:56:06 2018 No.11909064 File: 2.33 MB, 2199x2163, litsufferingchart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11908901 I removed the Hector duplicate as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 00:59:49 2018 No.11909079 >>11909064 Remove Marx, Gramsci and Gentile

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:03:34 2018 No.11909091 >>11909064 >>11902712 Iago at 90, 30

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:05:34 2018 No.11909100 >>11909064 Why is Sylvia Plath at 100?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:08:07 2018 No.11909106 >>11908423 Mao contributed to dialectics just like Lenin and Stalin. He did contribute theory and wasn't just some dictator. Read Badiou and Zizek.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:13:43 2018 No.11909122 File: 6 KB, 203x248, linkola.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11909064 Linkola Deserved: 35, Suffering: 75

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:16:05 2018 No.11909133 Again, add>>11908267 >>11909091 He's already on at 100, 50.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:18:55 2018 No.11909141 >>11909064 Again, these were skipped over, please add >>11904126 >>11907783 >>11909091 He's already on at 100, 50.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:19:33 2018 No.11909145 >>11908319 Trotsky and Mao both wrote dialectics though plus Mao wrote poetry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:21:23 2018 No.11909154 I appreciate this OC. I hardly agree with any of it but it gave me a good laugh.

Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:21:52 2018 No.11909157
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>>11908490
Mao influenced actually philosophers like Badiou while Hitler didn't actually write any theory (he said in Mein Kampf he considered it boring) and only influenced skinheads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:21:55 2018 No.11909158 >>11909064 >Julius "Rape is Okay" Evola down to 50 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:32:17 2018 No.11909189 File: 2.35 MB, 2199x2163, litsufferingchart2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you want someone moved, list the position that you think they should be at.

Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:32:59 2018 No.11909192

>>11909106
>>11909145
>>11909157
The only thing he did was write slap-dash revolutionary theory that was worked on by other actual thinkers. His primary accomplishment is still being a dictator.
The point is his placements going to be based off obvious controversial political bias (cause his actions as statesman can't be ignored) and it's already discussed why that shouldn't be done.

Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:47:36 2018 No.11909241

>>11906642
Fine, whatever. Hate him for his writing, but why latch on to this actual cunt's metoo moment? I'm willing to empathize with her up to the point where she tweets about it and shits on a man's grave to build a platform to sell her book. There will never be another perpsective on the story, no rebuttle, nothing. The man's grave just has shit on it. Forever. Fuck this world.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:50:33 2018 No.11909252 For all the leftist bros, I'll made a corrected edit once it is all over with so we don't have to deal with /pol/s shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:52:10 2018 No.11909258 >>11901687 No we don't. Most people hate him here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:55:20 2018 No.11909262 >>11909258 wrong

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 02:03:55 2018 No.11909283 >>11909252 What /pol/ shit, nigger? Point out the /pol/ shit and it can be changed. Just stop skewing things to leftypol (which you openly admit now).

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 02:06:06 2018 No.11909289 >>11909283 He's completely right though. >Yukio Mishima, Evola, Nick Land >but Mao is too much to include You're the one openly admitting you want to skew it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 02:17:52 2018 No.11909315 >>11909289 I guess Mao's writing is just overshadowed by the pile of corpses he left behind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 02:27:12 2018 No.11909336 >>11909315 You could more easily say that about Evola, Imperial Japan, Nick Land etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 03:02:35 2018 No.11909429 >>11907998 >should we throw some harry potter characters in there to fill the middle? this made me laugh for some reason also, someone make a new thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 03:34:15 2018 No.11909521 OP here. My last update was halfway into the thread, with all the inclusions, before we started cutting controversional people out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 03:36:15 2018 No.11909526 >>11909521 Just keep what you have and use it for the next thread. Don't post the ones with all the updates.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 04:11:31 2018 No.11909616 Just let OP make it. Delete all the ones that aren't official

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 04:22:22 2018 No.11909644 I had a dream where this was finished. A fifth of the image in the far right was taken up by the image of a cat girl.

Anonymous Wed Oct 10 04:40:10 2018 No.11909701

>>11900567
I'm not a Mormon and I know they have a lot of haters for some reason... but Joseph Smith absolutely does not deserve to be that high on "How much they deserved it". He never killed anyone or advocated for anything like that, he just wanted to peacefully practice his religion with his followers. They were chased out of several different states by the authorities and organised mobs. For what? Having slightly different beliefs. They are fairly accepting of other religions and they don't even claim that other Christian sects won't go to heaven. Compare to the way the "outsider" is described in the Talmud or Quran.

Also, for anyone who doesn't know, he was imprisoned for some bs charge and then an angry mob broke in and he died under gunfire while jumping out of the window.

Anonymous Wed Oct 10 08:18:37 2018 No.11910261

>>11909616
No because OP's demonstrated he's not the mst unbiased guy. These charts have always been board projects anyway, not individual.
>>11909289
Those people aren't remotely comparable to Mao, and are fr more recognizable as literary figures. If you have a problem with their positions then asked them to be changed.
>You're the one openly admitting you want to skew it.
Literally where? I never called anyone my 'right bros'.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 13:29:09 2018 No.11911317 >>11909189 Can we get the three brothers Karamazov horizontally on 85 suffering from 40 to 50? Order being Aloysha, Dmitri then Ivan

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 14:32:19 2018 No.11911570 >>11902156 I second Harris

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