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Anonymous Thu Oct 4 01:57:37 2018 No.11880335 [DELETED]

Since it's the 25th Anniversary of the Battle of Mogadishu...

What are /lit/'s thoughts on this book as well as any of Mark Bowden's other works?

Also feel free to discuss the Diary of Anne Frank since it was the /his/ pregnant Anne Frankposters that inspired me to make this thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 03:57:27 2018 No.11880567 >>11880335 It's a good book

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 09:26:54 2018 No.11881222 File: 1.55 MB, 1659x2560, black_hawk_up.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11880335 is there a sequel where they fix the helicopter and it takes off again?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 10:10:56 2018 No.11881348 >>11880335 Is it as dull as the movie?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 13:28:01 2018 No.11882070 File: 58 KB, 1000x661, 020-black-hawk-down-theredlist.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11881348 >Black Hawk Down >dull Get the fuck out

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 16:34:33 2018 No.11882824 >>11881222 Kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 16:47:01 2018 No.11882887 >>11881222 And so they all ascended into the heavens in rotor-less Black Hawks. The end.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 17:24:57 2018 No.11883083 File: 2.98 MB, 2500x1649, 151023-black-hawk-down-still-343p_b4bee9fa1335047786cdea76e1b2c3d9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11881348 >literally sets the standard for modern war films >dull

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 19:02:45 2018 No.11883455 I just finished Aidan Hartley's memoir, there's a really interesting chapter of the Mogaishu incident from his perspective, and of his friends who were killed Great fucking book anyway. The Zanzibar Chest

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 19:07:21 2018 No.11883469 >>11880335 my diary?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 21:56:07 2018 No.11884169 Any good good war memoir sort of books to recommend in here guys?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 23:34:37 2018 No.11884566 >>11884169 the middle third of "Good-bye To All That", the autobiography of Robert Graves. talks about his fun time as an officer in the great war. > the medical orderly approaches with the bicycle pump > tries to scream but can't breathe

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 4 23:34:38 2018 No.11884567 File: 658 KB, 687x1117, 1489743887000.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11883469 Hi Anne

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 5 01:30:27 2018 No.11885005 >>11884567 Any new ones of these lately?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 5 01:49:18 2018 No.11885063 File: 307 KB, 1000x1000, 1537375714217.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11885005 From our friends at /co/

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 5 01:58:31 2018 No.11885093 What are some good modern war books?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 5 03:43:41 2018 No.11885376 >>11885093 What aspect do you want to read about?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 5 06:08:56 2018 No.11885639 >>11880335 Black hawk down your ass

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 5 08:14:28 2018 No.11885900 >>11885376 Just how it works now, and how is the life of a solder. Something like all quite in the western from maybe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 5 13:36:56 2018 No.11886900 >>11885093 Seconding this

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 5 18:36:14 2018 No.11888188 File: 350 KB, 1386x1024, Abandoned_Somali_tanks.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11885639 rude

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 5 22:24:35 2018 No.11889162 >>11880335 It's a great movie and an even better book

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 04:31:39 2018 No.11890282 >>11885639 >>11888188 Sounds pretty hot to be quite honest desu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 05:26:12 2018 No.11890434 >>11883083 > Nothing but yank soldierwank > Not dull

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 11:05:59 2018 No.11891321 >>11885005 Why do you ask?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 11:25:00 2018 No.11891374 >>11885093 generation kill

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 11:26:55 2018 No.11891382 Day of the reckoning for them nigs. Why the fuck do they think they can take on the worlds strongest military? Somalians utterly BTFO

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 11:27:00 2018 No.11891383 >>11881222 Lel

Anonymous Sat Oct 6 11:33:11 2018 No.11891402

>>11885093
The only decent memoir to come out of the recent business is One Bullet Away, which (coincidentally) was written by the platoon leader in Generation Kill. Almost everything else is amateurish or grunt work trying and failing to be the next Guadalcanal Diary or some general's contentless pontification. There's also a subgenre of "grrrlpower" usually written by feminist agitators for gender integration.

Warrior King is interesting, but only because of how deeply un-selfaware the author is. I wouldn't recommend it in general.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 14:54:12 2018 No.11892270 >>11885093 War by Sebastian Junger

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 15:46:55 2018 No.11892534 >>11880335 I read this a long time ago on a 30 hour train ride. It was pretty amazing, very gripping story about alpha white men doing badass shit surrounded by hordes of bulbhead niggers. Never saw the movie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 19:08:47 2018 No.11893430 File: 2.18 MB, 3300x2088, Amtrak Coast Starlight.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11892534 >30 hour train ride. Which one?

Anonymous Sat Oct 6 20:52:11 2018 No.11893886

>>11885093
>>11885900
I thought all of these are pretty good, some are written by less self aware authors than others, but all in all pretty good for getting a look into the modern world of special operations

The Only Thing Worth Dying For
Pretty well documented narrative about the ODA that was tasked with protecting Karzai at the beginning of the Afghan war, ending with an account of how they got bombed by friendlies

Lone Survivor
Unironically pretty good and sincere. Couldn't even finish the first chapter of his second memoir as it was too 'murka

Where Men Win Glory
the life of exnfler pat tillman and the circumstances surrounding his death by fratricide

Kill Bin Laden
pretty self explanatory, written by a Delta officer involved in the hunt around 2001

Seal Team Six by Howard Wasdin
Includes an account of the battle of mog as well

Murican Sniper
Pretty good desu

No Easy Day
Written a devgru operator who was on the mission that *allegedly* killed bin laden

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 6 21:03:49 2018 No.11893956 >>11893430 Barcelona to Vienna, iirc, circa 2003. Think it was technically four trains I sequentially rode for 30 hours.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 01:29:56 2018 No.11894914 File: 249 KB, 248x459, Bugs...EasyOnTheCarrots.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11892534 >>11893430 >>11893956 Reading on a 30 hour train ride? Is there anything more pretentious?

Anonymous Sun Oct 7 01:32:21 2018 No.11894924

>>11893886
Hey there, you seem to know your stuff so I'll ask you but maybe someone else might also know. Does anyone recall any books which talk about what I believe was a story involving the Taliban in Afghanistan. It was about a troop of guys who were debating on whether or not to capture and tie up this young civilian girl because they were pretty sure she was reporting back to the Taliban on the troop's movements. I am pretty sure some of them even considered killing her.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 01:38:16 2018 No.11894944 >>11894914 Getting the sleeper car

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 01:41:39 2018 No.11894955 yo i never got the joke of "i identify as an attack helicopter" until trump endorsed that black guy from michigan who was some kind of pilot...attack helicopter, black hawk, black cock! ahh seems so obvious now, god im retarded

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 03:23:40 2018 No.11895237 >>11894924 Seconding this

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 10:29:50 2018 No.11896316 File: 64 KB, 600x444, Mk 12 SPR.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 14:53:54 2018 No.11897301 >>11896316 Hm what's this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 15:46:33 2018 No.11897547 File: 174 KB, 1500x1000, Navy SEAL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11897301 US Army Special Forces soldier with a Mark 12 Mod 0/1 Special Purpose Rifle. Just pulled it as a random bump from my Special Operations Command folder

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 18:12:00 2018 No.11898095 >>11897547 Niceeee.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 18:23:11 2018 No.11898157 >>11894924 >>11895237 Lone Survivor

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 7 23:05:08 2018 No.11899097 >>11898157 >Lone Survivor Oh wow thanks. What did you think of the book? I am pretty sure I've seen it brought up in a few philosophy texts so I really wanted to read it for myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 00:34:07 2018 No.11899450 >>11898157 Eh I'll have to check it out and see if that was the one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 01:04:24 2018 No.11899588 >>11899450 It wasn’t a little girl in Lone Survivor, i’m fairly certain it was just some goat herder kid who was walking through the area they were posted at.

Anonymous Mon Oct 8 01:20:05 2018 No.11899646

>>11899588
Yeah I noticed that from reading the wiki for the film, but I thought maybe there was another section of the book they hadn't bothers to include in there. So they did take a vote on whether or to kill the kid right? The memories of it are coming back to me thanks to everyone here.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 8 11:58:29 2018 No.11901063
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>>11885093
>>11885900
I'll break them up by genre

Personal accounts:

In the Company of Heroes by Michael Durant (Durant's account of the Battle of Mogadishu)

Jarhhead by Anthony Swofford (Scout Sniper who served in the Gulf War)

Night Mission to Mogadishu by Trent LaLand (US Marine who served in the Invasion of Panama and whose unit was later diverted from the Persian Gulf to evacuate 300 people trapped in the US Embassy in Mogadishu at the outbreak of the Somali Civil War)

Generation Kill by Evan Wright (reporter who was embedded with Recon Marines during the opening months of the Invasion of Iraq)

Strategy

Imperial Life in the Emerald City Rajiv Chandrasekaran (failings of the Coalition Provisional Authority during the first year of the Iraq War). This is in my opinion, the most important book ever written about the Iraq War.

Al Qaeda's Great Escape Philip Smucker (failure of the US Military to kill Osama bin Laden in 2001, also covers Operation Anaconda)

Fiasco by Thomas E. Ricks (poor planning behind the Iraq War)

Corporate Warriors by P.W. Singer (rise of Private Military Companies from the 1990s onward)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 14:12:55 2018 No.11901637 >>11899097 It's nothing exceptional but my standards are pretty high. Reading it is not a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 18:27:58 2018 No.11902655 >>11901637 So what are good and exceptional books by your standards?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 18:28:24 2018 No.11902658 >>11894914 Bugs...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 19:44:30 2018 No.11902982 >>11902658 ...easy on the warfare

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 8 21:23:52 2018 No.11903384 >>11902658 ...easy on the memes

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 01:40:56 2018 No.11904266 bump

Anonymous Tue Oct 9 02:51:09 2018 No.11904461

>>11902655
For war memoirs:
>Grant's Memoirs
>The Storm of Steel
>Defeat into Victory (Slim)
>With the Old Breed
>We Were Soldiers Once, And Young

One Bullet Away is the best recent one.

But like I said, Lone Survivor is not a waste of time. The author doesn't fall hard for the obnoxious tropes of the genre.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 03:32:03 2018 No.11904554 File: 1.58 MB, 2805x1806, a-us-navy-usn-hh-60f-seahawk-helicopter-assigned-to-helicopter-anti-submarine-4693ac.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 06:03:16 2018 No.11904905 >>11891374 roomate was a marine vet. said this book/series is legit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 07:31:02 2018 No.11905048 >>11893886 >>11901063 Good stuff. Wouldn't mind seeing some more like this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 11:41:54 2018 No.11905688 File: 1.52 MB, 5200x3714, Anne's home sweet home.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11885005 Guess who the dog is supposed to be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 13:12:33 2018 No.11905996 >>11881348 that shit was kino

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 16:26:00 2018 No.11906767 >>11905688 I wonder who? :3

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 9 20:18:15 2018 No.11907760 >>11905996 It truly was

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 01:56:28 2018 No.11909265 See you troopers in the morning.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 03:03:28 2018 No.11909431 File: 63 KB, 572x452, 75th Ranger Regiment.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11909265 'nite Ranger

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 03:06:12 2018 No.11909439 File: 63 KB, 572x452, 75th Ranger Regiment.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11909265 'nite Ranger

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 03:21:01 2018 No.11909475 File: 956 KB, 762x1122, wtf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11893886 >Murican Sniper >good I expected better of you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 03:22:27 2018 No.11909479 File: 304 KB, 1280x544, Jeff Sanderson Black Hawk Down.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11884567 Could Task Force Ranger have saved Anne Frank?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 04:56:39 2018 No.11909752 >>11880335 i want to ride a black hawk

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 12:58:30 2018 No.11911184 File: 45 KB, 384x494, 1539190710674.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11909752 Go to any American prison or dilapidated urban area and you can.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 16:39:55 2018 No.11912143 >>11909479 How do you propose they could?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 21:09:24 2018 No.11913427 >>11893886 >Murican Sniper That book is literally full of lies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 10 21:20:45 2018 No.11913472 >>11913427 >Chris Kyle claimed to have sniped looters from the roof of the Superdome in the aftermath of Katrina >that Jesse Ventura story he made up Crazy how anybody can still find that guy credible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 02:30:25 2018 No.11914877 >>11893430 >>11894914 What happened to trainposter? :(

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 03:48:47 2018 No.11915096 >>11913472 Not to mention he doesn't even have any kind of citations for his claims. If he cited pages from his after-action reports or something similar as proof, I'd be more inclined to think he wasn't full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 06:48:30 2018 No.11915402 >>11899097 I like Marcus Luttrells actual report on the incident, delivered as part of a broader post mission report. It was two, three laconic paragraphs, written in that cornpone retard savant style known to the genre.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 11:50:19 2018 No.11916236 >>11914877 mods are dicks, and water is wet

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 14:42:45 2018 No.11916944 >>11915402 Sounds interesting, do you have a link to it for us?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 18:15:45 2018 No.11917871 >>11909479 idk

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 11 22:23:21 2018 No.11918877 >>11911184 Kek>>11912143

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 00:42:36 2018 No.11919420 File: 83 KB, 1000x1000, 1522039448592.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11881348 kek nice bait, you got a few >>11882070 >>11883083 >>11905996 >Image related

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 02:27:05 2018 No.11919702 >>11919420 Based fish school

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 04:11:31 2018 No.11920006 >>11919420 >>11919420 /Lit/ could learn from this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 04:23:03 2018 No.11920031 >>11891382 >Why the fuck do they think they can take on the worlds strongest military? We invaded their shitty nigger country without cause and spent American lives for nothing. They did not "take us on".

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 04:28:23 2018 No.11920050 >>11898157 Bullshit. His after action assessment testimony does not match the book or the movie. The soldiers that extracted him said his loadout was nearly full which contradicts his "we fought to the last bullet" narrative.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 04:30:42 2018 No.11920056 >>11904461 >The author doesn't fall hard for the obnoxious tropes of the genre. True enough - but it's still fiction portrayed as reality.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 10:46:43 2018 No.11920921 >>11916236 Kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 12:41:07 2018 No.11921292 Bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 15:40:23 2018 No.11922001 >>11920031 Go to bed Pat Buchannon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 18:45:38 2018 No.11922970 >>11922001 Based

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 12 23:23:54 2018 No.11924161 >>11922001 This

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 02:43:00 2018 No.11924699 >>11911184 Underrated

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 05:59:34 2018 No.11925124 >>11922970 AND

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 07:15:59 2018 No.11925259 America is, was always, and will continue to be a blight until it is nuked from existence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 07:48:10 2018 No.11925336 The military is for psychopaths and if you read a war memoir and don't become a pacifist you may have serious detrimental mental illnesses.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 10:15:26 2018 No.11925717 >>11894955 I don't know if you're just dumber than you already think you are or if I'm being trolled.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 13:04:28 2018 No.11926312 >>11925259 This

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 16:28:38 2018 No.11927284 >>11925259 >>11925336 Cringe and bluepilled.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 13 22:20:08 2018 No.11928784 >>11880335 You are welcome for the inspiration OP! <3

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 03:54:18 2018 No.11929901 >>11881222 Don't worry guys, I'm working on it!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 05:39:35 2018 No.11930244 >>11925259 t. American LARPing as a Non-American.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 05:41:37 2018 No.11930251 >>11885063 Where did this meme originate from?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 05:44:54 2018 No.11930255 File: 75 KB, 468x437, PeterHitchens420NoscopesTheLeft.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11930251 From the events that happened during World War II sweetie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 11:55:43 2018 No.11931357 >>11930251 >>>/his/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 15:07:16 2018 No.11932343 >>11930251 No one knows

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 17:50:32 2018 No.11933126 >>11925336 Hi Hillary

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 14 20:38:20 2018 No.11933979 >>11925336 Hi Berniebro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 01:35:15 2018 No.11935502 bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 05:01:23 2018 No.11936014 >>11930255 Based Peter

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 15 10:46:21 2018 No.11936863 >>11925259 this

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