/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11873919]

Is Gramsci worth reading? If so, where should I start

[Anonymous No.11873972]

Read from his Prison Notebooks or at least selections.

[Anonymous No.11874491]

>>11873919
Yes. I've tried to get more people here interested in him. All I know is to start with >>11873972
but other than that I'm lost.

[Anonymous No.11874497]

>>11873919
>Unironically reading the Frankfurt School """thinker""" responsible for the garbage known as cultural marxism

[Anonymous No.11874507]

>>11874497
Gramsci was Italian, he wasnt part of te Frankfurt School dumbass. Read books instead of infographics, or go back to jerking off to Jordie Peterson.

[Anonymous No.11874517]

>>11874507
Or, as I like to call him, Juden Patreonson.

[Anonymous No.11874519]

>>11874507
Gramsci came up with the idea of using cultural terrorism to soften up Western Civilization to Marxism. It was Lukács, his colleague, who took his writings and founded the Frankfurt School. Fuck off, Gramsci is a well-known founding father of cultural marxism.

[Anonymous No.11874738]

>>11873919
Just read Althusser and save yourself some trouble

[Anonymous No.11874883]

He was the smartest thinker of the 20th century and explains why capitalism took a foothold in the minds of the people.

You can read a lot of his stuff here
https://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci/index.htm

[Anonymous No.11874900]

>>11874519
This. Fuck this fucking guy and all the dumbass cucks who revere him.

[Anonymous No.11875222]

>>11874519
>It was Lukács, his colleague, who took his writings and founded the Frankfurt School
this is wrong. Lukács was an influence but was never officially involved

[Anonymous No.11875321]

>>11874900
Read him before dismissing him

[Anonymous No.11875329]

>>11875321
Read Mein Kampf before dismissing Hitler.

[Anonymous No.11875358]

>>11874517
you sniveling coward

[Anonymous No.11875370]

>>11874883
If you think Gramsci was the smartest thinker of the 20th century he's probably the only 20th century (((philosopher))) you've read.

[Anonymous No.11875382]

>>11875329
I have.
*dismisses Hitler*

[Anonymous No.11875473]

>>11875370
>Fuck thinking, that shit is for Jews!
I love when nazis out themselves as the brainlets they are.

[Anonymous No.11875480]

>>11875473
gotta love your unabashed kikery. inspiring

[Anonymous No.11875965]

Even the right should read him.

[king stannis baratheon first o(...) !9fB.6ikQAA No.11875974]

MARXISTS ARE THE ULTIMATE TOOLS FOT HE CARTESO-SPINOZAN FORM
do NOT take their ideas seriously
the concept of 'CLASS' is already adequatley explained in PROTO INDO EUROPEAN text THE LAWS OF MANU

[Anonymous No.11876002]

Antonio Gramsci and other conspiracy theorists like David Icke give way too much credit to the conspirators. The "elites/bourgeois/reptiles" are not actively conspiring, but propelled by characterological forces arising from the conflict between libido and sex-negating culture.

[Anonymous No.11876017]

>>11876002
>The "elites/bourgeois/reptiles" are not actively conspiring
You say this when things like the 2008 financial crisis are well documented historical events with easily identifiable causes (stupidity, greed, oblivious people in positions of importance)

[Anonymous No.11876668]

Yeah, Gramsci was pretty cool. His ideas on hegemony and culture are still used by many different political groups today.

[Anonymous No.11876672]

>>11875370
>(((philosopher)))
Gramsci was Albanian dipshit.

[Anonymous No.11876711]

>>11876002
>The "elites/bourgeois/reptiles" are not actively conspiring
Yes, they are not members of some secret cabal of freemasons, that's true. They are a class and are motivated by a shared class interest, to perpetuate and further the proliferation of capitalism. They are grouped together as the class of owners of private property. That doesn't mean they are of one mind on every other issue. I mean competing with one another is what they do in the free market. When they aren't creating a system of balanced monopolies that work in tandem to squeeze out competition, of course.

>but propelled by characterological forces arising from the conflict between libido and sex-negating culture.
What is that, Freud?

[Anonymous No.11876913]

>>11874519
You realize Gramsci is mostly read in right-wing circles? They like his idea of passive cultural revolution. "Redpills" are literally Gramscian.

The left and typicall "cultural Marxist" left only care about Leninism and consider Gramsci, if they do at all, to be kind of a reactionary and barely Marxist.

[Anonymous No.11876931]

[Anonymous No.11876983]

>>11876931
Fake.
All this "white thing" is American, it is totally alien to Gramsci.

[Anonymous No.11876993]

>>11876983
https://imgur.com/a/sIVHF

[Anonymous No.11877001]

>>11876913
>typicall "cultural Marxist" left only care about Leninism
Wai what? My understanding was that people who are called cultural marxists by the right are mainly liberals. And people who are more accurately described as cultural marxists are the same kind of post-modern revisionists who oppose leninism as well as all other forms of revolutionary action.

[Anonymous No.11877014]

>>11876993
jesus

[Anonymous No.11877020]

>>11876993
>Fourier
Still bullshit, he died before colonial era.
Guys you are so easy to manipulate, you believe every bs people tell you.

[Anonymous No.11877025]

>>11877001
>knows nothing about Gramsci
>muh cultural marxism

[Anonymous No.11877041]

>>11877020
Think it's just a meme. Some of these are so easy to check and implausible from the getgo.

[Anonymous No.11877056]

>>11877020
It's a meme you dip

[Anonymous No.11877091]

>>11875473
He's not wrong. Thinking Gramsci was the GOAT is pathetically embarrassing

[Anonymous No.11877783]

>>11876931
>>11876983


I don’t know why they try to pull this shit. Is it not obvious to anybody with any knowledge of history that early 20th century Marxists aren’t gonna be all that wrapped up in race issues.

It just shows the American-centricness, as if everywhere in the world always had the same singular focus on race that defines American society.

[Anonymous No.11877793]

>>11877783
Its more like that race war is the true ground level irreconcilable conflict of humanity (not "class" lol) and all Leftist activity is digsuised race war

[Anonymous No.11877809]

>>11874519
>cultural marxism
Yeah, that's gonna be a big yikes from me. And, anyway, the so-called cultural marxists, if they were really bent on destroying Western culture, wouldn't have spent so much time lamenting its destruction at the hands of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11877813]

>>11877809
>Yeah, that's gonna be a big yikes from me.

[Anonymous No.11877815]

>>11877793
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11877818]

>>11877815
Thank you white brother

[Anonymous No.11877851]

>>11873919
Gramsci’s thought is worth understanding, but unless you are really committed there are easier paths than reading him directly. Because the majority of his writing was done in scraps, unsystematically while in prison and he had no ability to edit, refine, or refer to his own earlier writing it’s not a straightforward thing to read. Also because he was in prison under the fascists he used a lot of code words or talked circles around things in order to evade detection.

I personally have little sympathy for continental thinkers who can’t write clearly, but with Gramsci, unlike Lacan, he never had the opportunity to properly write a book, and we need to understand that when we read Gramsci we are undertaking the effort to ‘put him back together’, not just interpret a work which is how it is by the will of its author with the intent of you reading it in that form.


While id normally agree it’s just best to dive in and read the primary text yourself, with Gramsci I don’t think it’s necessarily the most productive thing. Scholars have dedicated their lives to reading all the notebooks (in the original Italian) and spending the time to put everything back together so that it can be understood by a non-expert. Because of the state of his writing I think most people who are more casually interested will find it far more rewarding to read a couple of books from the secondary literature than attempting to read through the notebooks themselves.


Compounding the first problem is that Gramsci’s thought comes out as commentary on existing thinkers and traditions. If you aren’t well versed in Marxism and various debates taking place between Marxists in the early 20th century then you are going to have a hard to beginning to understand why anything he’s saying is important. Likewise if you don’t understand the communist point of view on its own terms you are going to struggle to take away points which are interesting to the non communist reader.

For the average reader it’s probably most useful to start of with the Gramsci entry in the ‘Routledge Critical Thinkers’ series. It’s short, *very* simple, and has a focus on applying Gramsci to literature, so it’s probably more relevant to the average reader here.

I personally found ‘Gramsci’s Historicism’ by Morera to be a useful book, though it requires a bit of a background.

The Antimonies of Antonio Gramsci by Anderson is an influential essay within British Marxism

Althusser addresses Gramsci in his essay Ideology and Ideological State Apparatus. Althusser’s rejection of Gramsci is a big reason why French Marxism never picked him up much.

Hegemony and Socialist Strategy by Laclau and Mouffe applies Gramsci’s thought the 80s left.

This essay explains the most essential ideas of Gramsci, I think it’s the most clear exposition there is;
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/periodicals/theoretical-review/1982301.htm

[Anonymous No.11877857]

https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Antonio-Gramsci-Thought-Legacy/dp/1472572769

This is the best one I found when I studied him.

[Anonymous No.11877917]

>>11875329
Mein Kampf isn’t a theoretical treatise. It’s a 1920’s equivalent to those shitty campaign books that every politician now puts out when they run for president?

[Anonymous No.11877922]

>>11876993
>imgur

[Anonymous No.11877926]

>>11876993
The hilarious irony of making one of those for Proudhon is that he was super anti Semitic and also hated women a lot.

[Anonymous No.11877929]

>>11877926
Holyshit, no one told me he was based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11877944]

>>11877926
>December 26, 1847: Jews. Write an article against this race that poisons everything by sticking its nose into everything without ever mixing with any other people. Demand its expulsion from France with the exception of those individuals married to French women. Abolish synagogues and not admit them to any employment. Demand its expulsion Finally, pursue the abolition of this religion. It’s not without cause that the Christians called them deicides. The Jew is the enemy of humankind. They must be sent back to Asia or be exterminated. H. Heine, A. Weill, and others are nothing but secret spies ; Rothschild, Crémieux, Marx, Fould, wicked, bilious, envious, bitter, etc. etc. beings who hate us. The Jew must disappear by steel or by fusion or by expulsion. Tolerate the elderly who no longer have children. Work to be done – What the peoples of the Middle Ages hated instinctively I hate upon reflection and irrevocably. The hatred of the Jew like the hatred of the English should be our first article of political faith. Moreover, the abolition of Judaism will come with the abolition of other religions. Begin by not allocating funds to the clergy and leaving this to religious offerings. – And then, a short while later, abolish the religion.

[Anonymous No.11877976]

>>11877091
Not to mention he's one of the first "Cultural Marxist" which turned Marxism into the impotent meme it is today.

[Anonymous No.11878011]

>>11877944

Proudhonism needs to make a comeback

[Anonymous No.11878339]

No

[Anonymous No.11878396]

>>11878339
Based BordigaChad calling out the opportunist.

[Anonymous No.11879653]

>>11873919
Yes. The Greeks.

[Anonymous No.11879662]

Why won't this bump?

[Anonymous No.11880205]

>>11873919
BUMP