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How am I suppose to understand this when I have zero knowledge of who these people are? Right off the bat it just flies off with all these names as if I already know them and their entire lives.

>> No.11862369

>>11862358
its a pleb filter and its doing its job.

>> No.11862376

>>11862358
Just read the preface/introduction. King Agamemnon of Mycenae is leading the Greek city-states in a war against the city of Troy and its allies. The story involves both humans and gods involved in both sides of the conflict.
>>11862369
This. It is 100% /lit/ kino.

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>>11862358
You’ll have to be an Autisimus Maximus to remember all the names and towns that are mentioned in the Iliad, so don’t worry. Either way, they really help build the environment, giving it a grand scale. You can only imagine some ancient Hellenist listening to some bard reciting the Iliad, and going
>Shit! Im from that town!
Just remember the most important ones, I.E Paris, Priam, Achilles, etc. and have some knowledge about the Olympian gods beforehand. Wait, you didn’t just jump into the Iliad without any prior knowledge of Greek mythology or society, did you OP?

>> No.11862529

>>11862399
Yeah pretty much!

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>>11862358
I just started this today. About an hour ago I finished book i. Here's my question

I cant seem to conclude that either Achilles or Agamemnon is in the wrong. They both seem to be acting appropriately. Is the moral (of book i) that conflict is inevitable?

>> No.11863239

>>11862556
Stop posting, dork.

>> No.11863304

>>11862556
Agamemnon is in the wrong for not returning the priest's slave and punishing Achilles by stealing his. Read up on the Greek Dark Ages

>> No.11863309

>>11862556
Achilles is sulking like a little bitch

>> No.11863317

>>11862556
Agamemnon is wrong for taking tieme(or whatever its called) unjustly from Achillies.

>> No.11863532

>>11862556
Agamemnon is in the wrong for acting against the gods (taking a daughter of a preist) and for stealing another man's pay. Achilles is in the right for not going nuts and killing him and staying his blade when athena tells him to, but to not cuck himself by continuing to fight with the man that stole what is his by right.

>> No.11863655

>>11862556
Tl:dr Achilles is in the wrong for not accepting fate Agamemnon is in the wrong for not knowing it

>> No.11863874

>>11862358
>he doesn't already know who those people are
>he hasn't at least read Schwab as a kid
Just give up on books, there's no hope for you.

>>11862399
>You’ll have to be an Autisimus Maximus to remember all the names and towns that are mentioned in the Iliad
You don't have to, though. It's got a small cast of truly important characters and you'll remember them if they appear multiple times, i.e. are worthy of remembering.

>>11862556
>the moral
This isn't high school.

>> No.11863928

>>11862556
agamemnon is cursed with "evil" (do bear in mind its the pre-christian european conception of it) because his ancestors tricked someone into cannibalising their parents and this offended the gods. its why he acts the way he does. he is in the wrong though it does seem to be acknowledged that achilles' rage was a vice.

>> No.11863939

Ready the Odyssey first.