/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11854546]

The way I see JDP and his books is that it's all trying to tell us that the world is engulfed by a great big fire and it would take hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people to grab that extinguisher so you best forget all chances of that ever happening and build yourself a flame retardant suit and ignore the heat and the asbestos itch and all the burning people. Just improve your suit and everything will be okay.

[Anonymous No.11854577]

I kind of agree and kind of don't with you, OP. I think he is mostly just talking about how if you are a depressive wreck who can't even commit to a schedule for the most basic mundane tasks of life that fixing this should be prioritized over desires to somehow fix the world which will amount to little more than unacted on fantasies given the hypothetical state of the person in this example. I think this position can be taken to a certain extreme though, and it can become a kind of "physician heal thyself" cop out, or even a means to psychically encourage conformity.

[Anonymous No.11854586]

He is the only modern philosopher/sage who goes to the very fundamentals of man´s being.

His hygienic practices are on par with islam, simple, yet effective: wash your genitals, clean up your room. But not praying, because he understands, that God is Dead.

Instead we should follow religion and go to the church on sunday, not because we believe in these silly supernatural sky-daddys, but it gives structure to our life. Respect the authority (police), believe Obama, believe the government. Sure the official story of 9/11 seems a bit sketchy: but that does not give you a reason not to wake up tomorrow to work for mr. Shekelstein. Respect the Jews, not out of holocaust, but because Askhenazi IQ is statistically higher.

I respect him more than any other philosopher past 500 years

[Anonymous No.11854594]

>>11854586
based

[Anonymous No.11854613]

>the world is engulfed by a great big fire

let's throw his books in it

[Anonymous No.11854624]

>>11854613
Edgy.

[Anonymous No.11854694]

>>11854546
He's redpilled, he thinks capital is sentient.

[Anonymous No.11855467]

>>11854694
>he thinks capital is sentient.
wut

[Anonymous No.11855470]

>>11855467
it is a meme

[Anonymous No.11855503]

>>11854586
>wash your genitals
has he actually said this

[Anonymous No.11855509]

>>11854586
Lost

[Anonymous No.11855520]

>>11855503
You can't prove he hasn't.

[Anonymous No.11855540]

>>11854546
Peterson really does have a very negative view on the situation. He even admits in one of his sermons that if you have more than one serious problem in your life it's pretty much impossible to help you.

[Anonymous No.11855580]

>>11855540
Isn’t this true? You gotta realize it by yourself that you have a problem before you can get fixed. Other people cannot persuade you to improve.

[Anonymous No.11855583]

>>11855540
>He even admits in one of his sermons that if you have more than one serious problem in your life it's pretty much impossible to help you.
He said that if you have three of these five: No job, no friends, no intimate relationship, a drug/alcohol problem and an additional health problem then it's pretty much impossible to help you.

[Anonymous No.11855624]

>>11855583
That's it. /r9k/ in a nutshell.

>>11855580
Yes I'm not saying it's not true. But it shows that Peterson is aware his self help spiel isn't all that effective for anyone that is worse than a procrastinator.

[Anonymous No.11855661]

>>11855624
Yeah it says that you can't help 75% of that board. With the other 25% browsing it to laugh at the 75%.

[Anonymous No.11855687]

>>11854546
>plagiarising Schopenhauer on the doomer board and thinking you can get away with it

Nice try.

[Anonymous No.11855689]

>>11855540
Petersons worldview should lead to full blown negative hedonist antinatalism but he won't admit it even when getting BTFO debating Benatar. It's frustrating.

[Anonymous No.11855744]

>>11855520
fug,you're right.

[Anonymous No.11855750]

>>11855583
Why the fuck is 'intimate relationship' in the same category as a drug problem or an actual health issue? And his phrasing? Like why no job?
>no job
on its own, cannot take into account the rich who can afford to work for self-satisfaction or self-fulfilment, and the poor, who have to work for a living. Which one does he mean? And which is the irreparable problem? Lack of funds to feed yourself, or a career's contribution to a sense of meaningful life?

The guy has no penchant for rigour.

[Anonymous No.11855793]

>>11855750
He's a middle class liberal Canadian whose only claim to fame is not saying xer. He's otherwise unremarkable and can't comprehend life outside of his own set of mundane NPC values.

[Anonymous No.11855801]

>>11855750
He says:
>If you don't have a job, you have no structure. Plus, you tend not to have a point, so you're overwhelmed by chaotic lack of structure and you don't have any positive emotion(stated earlier that positive emotion is guided by goal pursuit).
also mentioned earlier that a job keeps people waking up on a schedule which, if you've ever talked to a true NEET, is pretty much the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c9Uu5eILZ8

[Anonymous No.11855807]

>>11855467
is moloch sentient ?

[Anonymous No.11855858]

>>11855540
That wouldn't surprise me considering he is a psychologist. My sister is a psychiatrist and says less than 10% of her patients get any better. That would naturally make you think in that way.

[Anonymous No.11855877]

Women who wear make-up are begging to be raped.

[Anonymous No.11855884]

Lobsters is a ladder.

[Anonymous No.11855887]

>>11855503
yes, it's from one of his maps of meaning lectures

>So, it's like, wash your bloody genitals! I've seen unwashed genitals and that is a dark dark sight you do NOT WANT TO SUBJECT YOURSELF TO. What the great Russian philosopher Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote in The Gulag Archipelago, his account of the Siberian Soviet work camps was that no matter how hard life got for the prisoners, and it got BAD, make no mistake Stalin was AS BAD AS HITLER IF NOT WORSE, but no matter how bad it got for Solzhenitsyn he would always wake up an hour before the hammer was struck in the morning so he would have time to WASH HIS GENITALS. It's like, yeah, that's the internalizing of order in the face of chaos. Because unwashed genitals send a signal okay, not just to potential partners who come into sight or contact with them, but also to comrades and enemies who SENSE the unwashed genitals emanating from your every pore, it's like when you HAVE unwashed genitals you BECOME unwashed genitals, and that's chaos, and that's the bottom of the pyramid bucko, that's far from God, and that's the crossroads that connects Cain and the serpent and that is a BAD ROAD TO BE ON, believe me, because until you are there you don't know whether you have the strength not to walk it. So.

[Anonymous No.11855893]

Cleean your're room.

[Anonymous No.11855894]

>>11855801
>a job keeps people waking up on a schedule
Imagine being so stupid that you believe the only reason people wake up in the morning is because they have to go to work. Gotta clock in on time and get in the wage cage, the boss said so! Don't forget your prescribed anti-depressant regiment!

[Anonymous No.11855900]

>>11855894

Capitalism is one of the worst things to happen to humanity.

[Anonymous No.11855920]

>>11855894
To be fair, most people do only wake up at the same time every morning because of A.) School(Job tutorial) or B.) A job. Especially if they're depressed.

Otherwise, unless you're the 0.1% of humanity who disciplinememes it up(which you wouldn't be able to be if you're depressed), you really are relying chiefly on your circadian rhythm and if you fuck that up even slightly then your schedule will start to go out of whack.

[Anonymous No.11855922]

>>11855887
https://youtu.be/-BDgQMGs7Mc

[Anonymous No.11855934]

>>11855793
I still do not see how this geezer is so popular. He sounds exactly the same as half the professors I've known. All from a comfortable middle class background. Open-minded enough to think outside that box, but not so open-minded they'd really abandon their identity.

[Anonymous No.11855941]

>>11855920
>To be fair, I am talking about hypothetical people in hypothetical situations because the reality of this situation (sleep patterns and how they affect human psychology) is much easier to talk about when I reduce it to childlike simplicity

[Anonymous No.11855948]

>>11855583
>>11855801
I easily have three of those now, possibly four. A motivational speaker with a defeatist attitude seems pretty useless, at least for me. I'm still not sure why I don't hate the guy as much everyone else, but I can't even think of an alternative. I guess I'll try to get a job anyway.

[Anonymous No.11855956]

>>11855941
To be fair, you are a fucking idiot contrarian pansy faggot blowing up over a small point. This is that morning jobs tend to regulate people’s sleeping schedules. Then you come in like a sickles faggot “DOOD HAHHAA LMAO LIKE U THINK PPL ONLY WAKE UP BC THEY HAVE JOBS????!”

Do you know what “people” are? What’s the last time you’ve interacted with one? How long have you been inside as a NEET? I know you wake up at 7am sharp every day so you can post on 4chan and masturbate to furry hentai for 16 hours straight, but other normal people (you’d know this if you had friends or ever interacted with people in real life) enjoy sleeping in or staying up later when they don’t have class or a job early in the morning, which may or may not lead to a poor sleep schedule, but probably is more likely to.

[Anonymous No.11855957]

>>11854586
Read your Rambam, people.

[Anonymous No.11855959]

>>11855801
What if the only jobs I ever had made me utterly miserable until I had such a nervous breakdown I wasn't able to get up for weeks? Now I'm a NEET but at least I can get out of bed without crying for half an hour every morning.

My therapists always told me that a job is good for your mental health, but it seems really terrible medicine.

[Anonymous No.11855958]

>>11855934
People can pretend he's a champion of the people for explicitly stating what everyone else is too scared to about the rhetoric and the social policies being enacted in the west. He also makes observations that are common-sense about habits and negative mindsets which keeps people drawn in.
tl;dr "what will he say next that I also agree with"

I think he was useful to the point of his appearance with Cathy Newman showing how dissent from opinions force npcs to resort to fallacies to avoid looking wrong or stupid, but the followers fail to apply this to themselves. What he represents goes over the head of most because they focus on what he says and not the intentions of such conversations he draws out.

[Anonymous No.11855960]

>>11855467
It's a boomer meme for those who missed out on the 60s.

[Anonymous No.11855964]

>>11855583
I have all five.
What do I do?

[Anonymous No.11855972]

>>11855877
Are you sure?
Ban the hojab.

[Anonymous No.11855980]

>>11855959
Read Bob Black, Abolition of Work
And enjoy:
https://youtu.be/Jq-e8DWtzvE

[Anonymous No.11855982]

Juden Peterstein advocates liberalism and denounces national and racial principles even when he lives in fucking Toronto and should understand first hand what is happening to his country. Why is that? His philo-semitism is also disturbing.

[Anonymous No.11856007]

>>11855956
Did you take your meds today?

[Anonymous No.11856027]

>>11855980
Thanks, buddy. Take it easy. Love ya.

[Anonymous No.11856032]

>>11854546
wash your ass bucko

[Anonymous No.11856054]

>>11854694
But does he know that capital is sapient?

[Anonymous No.11856072]

>>11855959
What kind of jobs have you had?

[Anonymous No.11856102]

>>11856072
Some retail stuff, some administrative work, some sales work. I think the sales work was the worst, as it relied entirely on manipulating strangers into purchases that weren't optimal for them.

[Anonymous No.11856142]

>>11854546
imo he's producing millions of conformists, who all abandoned themselfs to live under the practical philosophy that he created. i dont think of him as someone good though, bc hes just pushing the old narratives in a new shell of capitalism.

i mean, just think about it, its like slavoj zizek famously said that the new age capitalism is trying to sell you everything without.

lemonade without sugar, beer without alcohol and (in petersons case) a religion without god.

[Anonymous No.11856143]

>>11855982
>Juden Peterstein
Find another site to sully, you evil coward.

[Anonymous No.11856148]

>>11856142
>a religion without god.
Nice way of putting it

[Anonymous No.11856158]

>>11856148
it has the dogmatism of a religion though (e.g. 12 rules for life) and even involves certain rituals (make your bed etc.)

[Anonymous No.11856164]

>>11856158
It has always been a religion. They just do not know whom they worship.

[Anonymous No.11856234]

>>11856102
You ever consider a job where you don't have to sell anything and where social interaction is kept to a relative minimum? I used to work as a janitor and for the most part people just leave you alone if you're halfway competent and always look busy in public spaces. Pay was better than a retail job, too.

>>11856142
Is a miserable individual truly preferable to a functional conformist? People who whole-heartedly buy into Peterson's schtick were lost, and clearly couldn't rely on themselves to fix their problems

[Anonymous No.11856266]

>>11856234
thats quite debateable, the answer depends on what you prefer for yourself.

I'd always go for miserable, bc i think individualism rules and being miserable creates diversity (ofc in comparison to a shift to collective imagination aka ideals like peterson tries to implement)

[Anonymous No.11856279]

>>11854546

Both paths eventually converge so you're much better off choosing the latter.

[Anonymous No.11856492]

>>11856142
I think it's more encouraging to consider (and probably likely for many JBP fans) that his program is just a set of healthy basics, a stepping stone to something more sophisticated and real, because after all, he's a *clinical* psychologist

[Anonymous No.11856535]

>>11856234
Being a janitor would be quite nice, but sadly most of those kinds of jobs are reserved for the handicapped where I live. I've applied to jobs like that, including security guards and such, but considering I have a graduate degree I'm considered overqualified. Maybe one day, if I'm lucky.

[Anonymous No.11856558]

>>11856535
>but considering I have a graduate degree I'm considered overqualified.
>wanting to be a janitor
Either you or the education system fucked up hard

[Anonymous No.11856628]

>>11856558
I mean, he was working retail before.

>>11856535
When applying to low-skill jobs, don't mention your degree.

[Anonymous No.11857236]

>>11856142

I legitimately love Slavoj.

[Anonymous No.11857243]

>>11857236
Why

[Anonymous No.11857279]

>>11856535

Do not be a janitor if you value your sanity. I did it for a month at a mall after a neighbour asked me to help since they needed it badly and since I was in a rut of lacking employment and the money was actually quite good I did it. Hopefully never again.

Everyone knows the myth of Sisyphus, yeah? You are Sisyphus now. Every day you will clean up the same stuff and listen to the same music. Every single day you work. It's always the same. People throw their shit around and don't care. People throw their food. Since second shift was always understaffed because the job sucked we, third shift, would have to do their job and ours. One of the worst parts for me was I couldn't recycle and was told if I did it on company time I could be fired.

The solitude gets to you after awhile too. You think it won't but it will. In a huge mall with trash and music and lights and noises I hated it. Everything added up to equal a miserable experience. The only good part was my colleagues. My boss was very understanding when I told her I couldn't do it. I need to use my brain for things not push a boulder up a hill.

[Anonymous No.11857291]

>>11855583
What's so fucking debilatating about this no friends/no relationships meme.
Are monks in Tibet, lost?
I understand drug addictions and the job market being fierce but give me a break. Ted was right, this oversocialization shit is becoming unbearable.

[Anonymous No.11857338]

>>11857291
monks have better and less superficial relationships than most normies

[Anonymous No.11857353]

>>11855964
Accept and enjoy your freedom.

[Anonymous No.11857361]

>>11854586
10/10

the only question is what to do with this permanent erection

[Anonymous No.11857363]

>>11856164
unironically this

[Anonymous No.11857423]

>>11854546
Yeah, that metaphor sounds just right for someone retarded enough to actually swallow that shit.

[Anonymous No.11857461]

>>11856143
looks a little like Terry A Davis here

[Anonymous No.11857556]

>>11856492
This is how it was for me. I was ultra depressed when I got into Peterson. He prescribes basic fixes and ways of living for people who were in the position I was. It actually helped me get out of the rut I had been in for 3 years. But after getting out of that position there was really no need for Peterson in my life and I stopped paying attention to his antics. The problem is that redditor types attach themselves to Peterson as an "anti-sjw" guy and not as a self help psychologist. They also think that the things he says are the ultimate solution to society's ills and not just a way to help individuals out of hard situations.

If he hadn't risen to fame the way he had, nobody would really have a problem with him. I could even imagine shitty articles being written about him in traditionally left wing publications like: "this professor is tackling the incel problem. His solution: man up"
Too bad he seems to be pandering too much to his newfound audience and overeaches when making claims about post-modernism and marxism.