/SFFG/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.11830816]

New Son Edition
>Let's laugh at the stupid anon who only made the connection now

ADMIRE, THE CHARTS!
FANTASY
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SCIENCE FICTION
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
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Ye olde threads:
>>11820289
>>11804852

[Anonymous No.11830825]

An ugly

[Anonymous No.11830828]

>>11830816
This is a pretty good OP.

[Anonymous No.11830837]

>>11830828
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.11830838]

elves

[Anonymous No.11830852]

>>11830838
< dwarves

[Anonymous No.11830858]

>>11830816
nice (embed)s faggot

[Anonymous No.11830865]

>>11830838
>>11830852
Elves and dwarves, and orcs for that matter, are woefully overdone. We should leave them to Tolkien and either make up our own shit, or leave the stage entirely to humans.

Fantasy is supposed to be fantastic, after all - tried and true is the very opposite of it. Show some imagination, recommend me books with less-seen fantasy races and more weird shit in them.

[Anonymous No.11830866]

>>11830837
Dumb bunny poster.

[Anonymous No.11830894]

>>11830865
People have tried to make their own fantasy races, you just end up with Elves or Dwarves or Orcs than don't look like Elves or Dwarves or Orcs. Jordan's snake people for example.

[Anonymous No.11830910]

>>11830816
I wanna read a deep scifi world with lots of worlds and cultures.

Well written, and not GRRM, she-shat-and-she-shat, tier.

Have already read Dune and Discworld

[Anonymous No.11830911]

>>11830816
Some older threads
>>11795540
>>11780409
>>11763531

[Anonymous No.11830915]

>>11830865
>>11830894
Why imagine anything when you can just lift stuff off some fairy tales or mythology

[Anonymous No.11830953]

>excited to read wizard/knight
>find out it's portal fantasy
is this going to live up to my expectations after reading BotNS(on/un)

[Anonymous No.11831013]

Sisterfu coming through

[Anonymous No.11831036]

>>11830953
>The people out of old romance,
>And people that have never been,
>And those that on the border dance
>Between old history and between
>Resounding fable, as the king
>Who held his court at Camelot.

alright, sold

[Anonymous No.11831041]

>>11830953
>is this going to live up to my expectations after reading BotNS
did you like it?
Gene Wolfe is one of those writers where if you like his style you can read all his books, they are all worthwhile

[Anonymous No.11831057]

>>11831041
my expectations after BotNS are "literally the best thing in the [fantasy] genre" so it's going to be a tough bar to vault

[Anonymous No.11831066]

The new Xeelee book is POWERLEVELS

[Anonymous No.11831081]

these threads are degenerating into avatarfagging and waifuposting
apply yourselves retards

[Anonymous No.11831144]

>>11831081
Make me, faggot

[Anonymous No.11831150]

>>11831081
Thank you for your opinion. It will be fully considered and I will surely adjust my behavior in according to your wishes. In the meantime read my book.

[Anonymous No.11831171]

>>11831144
>>11831150
Only one of you can be the furfag

[Anonymous No.11831183]

>>11831171
You must report us both. Only then can you be sure you hit the right one.

[Anonymous No.11831189]

>>11831150
you can advertise your shitty book without avatarfagging the entire day

[Anonymous No.11831201]

>>11831144
>>11831150
>>11831183
Dumb bunny posters.

[Anonymous No.11831255]

Any good books that take place on eerie, abandoned spaceships / space stations?

[Anonymous No.11831266]

>>11831189
Would you be any more likely to pick it up if I did?

[Anonymous No.11831322]

>>11831266
I can tell you I'm definitely not very inclined to give it a try if it's avatarspammed itt

[Anonymous No.11831329]

>>11831322
Sure. It looks like I'm no longer alone with the avatars, though.

[Anonymous No.11831347]

What are you reading right now anon?

[Anonymous No.11831360]

>>11831347
Titus Groan.

It's pretty good.

[Thiskillsthedarkelf No.11831410]

>>11830816
>you will never raid an elven villiage for slaves
>you will never be a successful author
>you will never express your love for gene wolfs works to him in person without creeping him out.

Such is life.

[Anonymous No.11831415]

>>11831410
Yeah but have you tried garlic bread

[Anonymous No.11831456]

any good books with autistic game designers like REAMDE?

[Anonymous No.11831590]

>>11830816
Read Book of the New Sun a couple of years ago, too dumb to understand it. Did any of you use this thing while reading BotNS? Did it change your appreciation of it?

[Anonymous No.11831620]

>>11831255
Nightingale by Alastair Reynolds, though it's shorter. His other works occasionally feature abandoned or near-empty eerie space places.

[Anonymous No.11831630]

>>11831255
Seconding this and I hate Alistair Reynolds

[Anonymous No.11831652]

Gimme some comfy space opera. I've already read:
Ringworld, Mote in God's eye, Pride of Chanur, The Praxis, Old Man's War, Puppies and Knots, Blindsight and some inconsequential military sci-fi.

I am fond of first contact, hard science fiction, exploration and good characters, but whatever you think is good is also fine by me.

[Anonymous No.11831665]

>>11831652
Also colonization.

[Anonymous No.11831708]

>>11831652
Something by Alastair Reynolds, Chasm City or whatever catches Your eye.

[Anonymous No.11831793]

>>11831708
I hate him, though. Never managed to finish a single book of his, and not for the lack of trying. His books start slow, and when it seems things are actually gonna happen, he changes POV. Never liked his characters either. But the settings do look cool.

[Anonymous No.11831806]

I like caves, I like subterranean stuff. Help me out.

[Anonymous No.11831839]

>>11831806

[Anonymous No.11831862]

>>11831839
Read it, thanks for trying.

[Anonymous No.11831863]

>>11831806

[Anonymous No.11831875]

>>11831863
I'll take a look. Thx anon

[Anonymous No.11831911]

>10% of the way into the knight by wolfe
it's a brilliant deconstruction of a subgenre that wasn't even popular when it was written
he tried to kill the portal fantasy before it was born, but alas, nobody listened

[Anonymous No.11831925]

>>11831652
Revelation Space, Count to a Trillion, Night's Dawn, Vacuum Diagrams.

[Anonymous No.11831937]

>>11831652
The Culture series by Ian Banks

>>11830388
>orphans
Besides the King Arthur stories, Lloyd Alexander's young adult Prydain Chronicles influenced generations of writers with the orphan trope.

>>11831806
The Hollow Earth by Rudy Rucker.
Rucker is a mathematician/computer scientist but he likes to go crazy in his fiction so really don't expect hard SF.

[Anonymous No.11831946]

>>11831937
>Prydain Chronicles
Is the Black Cauldron movie any good?

[Anonymous No.11832003]

>>11831946
Lloyd Alexander said he liked it even though it had no resemblance to the book. I've only seen part of it and it looked decent. I'm not a purist so I'm willing to give it a chance sometime.

[Anonymous No.11832011]

>>11831806
The dark elf trilogy.

[Anonymous No.11832039]

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWkv_J9wRmg
Fantasy that will give me this aesthetic?

[Anonymous No.11832073]

>>11832039
idk any Scottish fantasy but The Last Kingdom by Cornwell is about the Saxons vs Danes. (It was made into a pretty good tv show I found on Netflix.)

[Anonymous No.11832078]

>>11832073
I've read it and it's great, but I meant a fantasy about people rebelling against a powerful kingdom without little chance of success. Doesn't necessarily need to be about lads in kilts.

[Anonymous No.11832173]

>>11831652
>hard science fiction
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.11832176]

>>11832078
Rigante series by David Gemmell

[Anonymous No.11832181]

>>11831652

[Anonymous No.11832208]

>>11832173
Found the bitter liberal arts major

[Anonymous No.11832270]

>>11832208
Except those are the types who love "hard" science fiction.

[Anonymous No.11832321]

>>11831255
The Wrong Stars takes place partially on an abandoned ship and later on a space station. Currently re-reading it since the sequel just came out.

>>11831652
Pandora's Star by Hamilton

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.11832323]

>>11831255
"Tuf Voyaging" by GURM features an abandoned spaceship. The ship, or rather its use, is the focus of the story so I would say only the initial discovery period is eerie but the rest of the book is still interesting.

[Anonymous No.11832450]

>>11830953
It's very different from BotNS, but great in its own way. I found the ending amazing. Don't forget the framing.

[Anonymous No.11832459]

>>11831347
It's awful.

[Anonymous No.11832472]

Are there good books about pirates/sailors with fantasy elements? You know, sirens, sea monsters, mythical creatures and such?

[Anonymous No.11832479]

>>11832472
Isn't Miéville's The Scar pretty much about all that

[Anonymous No.11832496]

>>11832472
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Freedom

[Anonymous No.11832506]

>>11832472
There was one by some Greek guy that got really popular a while back, but I can't remember what it was called.

[Anonymous No.11832507]

>>11832506
The Oddity, I think.

[Anonymous No.11832521]

>>11832506
>>11832507

[Anonymous No.11832531]

>>11830816
Is His Dark Materials worth a read if I'm 22?

[Anonymous No.11832538]

>>11832078
Hmm welp Tigana by Kay is about a conquered kingdom and people trying to free it but it's a slow burn.

Then there's Legend by Gemmell which has a lot of action in defending a city against impossible odds of a huge invading army.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.11832668]

>>11832472
"The Voyage of the Dawn Treader" by C. S. Lewis but it's best for those of /v/ age, say 8-14.

[Anonymous No.11832762]

Just how edgy are the Chronicles of the Black Company?
I have some tolerance for edge, but only if it's not TOO dumb and if it has other good things going on.

[Anonymous No.11832772]

>>11832762
The first novel may have been considered "edgy" in its day, but they're quite tame compared to the ultra edgy nihilistic garbage that gets released these days.

[Anonymous No.11832820]

I am still pretty upset that Ursula Le Guin died. I bought The Dispossessed and haven't read it yet because I don't like the reminder. What's Tigana like? It's that or Abercrombie next.

[Anonymous No.11832822]

>>11832479
>mieville

[Anonymous No.11833065]

Just finished the first Malazan book. Quite good and the prologue of the second book has got me interested in the rest. Is it true that Erikson's writing improves massively, i felt the first half of the book was quite dull compared to the latter half when more of the characters are introduced. I don't think it's as hard to understand as people claim (i feel like he manages to foreshadow something decently) but i may have missed even more than them. I'm eager to start reading the second one when it arrives tomorrow

>>11832762
Honestly not edgy at all anymore apart from the one scene in which a little girl gets gangraped but the rapists get killed immediately. It starts to feel a bit dumb in the later books when the evil sorceress becomes Croker's waifu but i found parts endearing

[Anonymous No.11833183]

>20% of the way into The Knight
>it's already incomprehensible
based wolfe

[Anonymous No.11833365]

>reading Mistborn: Secret History before any of Stormlight Archive
Also, is Allomancer Jack relevant/good or just fluff?

[Anonymous No.11833403]

>>11833365
>sanderson
who cares lol

[Anonymous No.11833453]

>>11831652

three body problem, i think it was shilled before but that's some grade A hard sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.11833467]

>>11833453
>grade A hard sci-fi.
Cringe

[Anonymous No.11833498]

>>11831081
This happens to all generals.
I keep praying I find one that doesn't suck.

[Anonymous No.11833544]

>>11833065
>a little girl gets gangraped but the rapists get killed immediately
I gotta see this shit.
>get killed immediately
Couldn't even follow through.

[Anonymous No.11833660]

How long before Ward finally has a moment of epic conflict? We're near the end of the 9th damn arc, nothing cataclysmic's happened and Vicky's battles are boring flying brick fight scenes

[Anonymous No.11833662]

>>11832531
I'd say it is. Just a note though: the second book is very different but still decent and the third sucks ass

[Anonymous No.11833665]

>>11832472
Ship of Magic was okay

[Anonymous No.11833741]

>>11831255
Hull Zero Three is what you want

[Anonymous No.11833769]

>>11830816
shouldnt it be /sffg/ not /SFFG/

[Anonymous No.11833783]

>>11833769
It's been in caps for a couple threads now. Doesn't really make a difference.

[Anonymous No.11833833]

>>11831590
yes its very useful

[Anonymous No.11833861]

>>11833769
yes

>>11833783
no

[Anonymous No.11834031]

>>11833365
Good fluff, but make sure you read the footnotes.

[Anonymous No.11834056]

>>11833065
Could this be a case of (badly written) fantasy imitating anime?

[Anonymous No.11834065]

>>11832820
>What's Tigana like?
GOAT
>Abercrombie
Kind of shit, other than main villain keikaku

[Anonymous No.11834105]

>>11830816
Anyone have good examples of how to write/understand space combat?
Be it maneuvering dreadnaughts and freighters to starfighters and drones. Should I take this to /k/?

[Anonymous No.11834131]

>>11833183
When you are done take a look at this, but copy and paste it before that as it is only up for a few weeks. A jungian take which also explains the connection between America and mythgarthr, relying heavily upon that dunsany quote and literalizing the dreams. https://pastebin.com/XugxwUCr

[Anonymous No.11834150]

>>11834105
How well are you versed in the mechanics of it, for lack of a better word? Mass, acceleration, delta V, orbits, impulse, etc.? How hard your writing is supposed to be?
I would recommend going through the Space Warfare series of posts over yonder at Rocketpunk Manifesto - http://www.rocketpunk-manifesto.com/2012/07/space-warfare-xvii-blockade-in-spaaace.html.. The comment section is a treasure trove of data.
Unlike some other sites the emphasis is on writing a good story while keep is the sicence as hard as possible as giving the ol' Newton his due.
For Top Gun in space you can always take a look at http://www.rocketpunk-manifesto.com/2015/07/stick-and-gimbal-handflying-in-spaaace.html..

Other good sites include (as always) Atomic Rockets - http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/ and ToughSF - http://toughsf.blogspot.com/..

That should get you started.

>>11834105
>Should I take this to /k/?
Hahahaha... no.

[Anonymous No.11834178]

>rand althor in English Gematria equals: 666
Bravo, Jordan!

[Anonymous No.11834267]

Sorry for missing a thread. One week and one day until deadline, time to stop blogging, shitposting and fantasizing about Wolfe and focus on your reading!

[Anonymous No.11834412]

>>11834105
This is a good post: >>11834150. But it really depends on how hard you are writing. If FTL is a thing, you can just focus on who is shooting who and fuck everything else. If it's harder sci-fi, you'll have to keep in mind that space battles will look much more like submarine fights than fighters in space, except each shot could take from hours (lasers, if they are a thing in your setting) to days (missiles) for you to know the outcome of your move, depending on the distances involved. Nobody will see each other except as a heat signature (unless they have very powerful and large telescopes). Inside the ship everyone will be floating in microgravity because no one will want to turn on the engine flares and present a target to the enemy, and rotating vessels don't make for very good battleships.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.11834473]

>>11834412
>rotating vessels don't make for very good battleships.
Why is that?

[Anonymous No.11834504]

>>11834178
>Moridin is Armageddon
>Mike Pence is Nae'blis
Jewish numerology is weird.

[Anonymous No.11834638]

>>11834473
Your drink gets spilled everywhere.

[Anonymous No.11834667]

>>11834105
play EVE for a few weeks
it's not "hard" space combat in that things in that game behave like submarines in space, don't have to worry about decelerating but it will give you some good ideas
e.g. keep transversal velocity high to avoid shots, the number of drones a ship's AI can control depends on the complexity of the drones, freighters have to be worried about having their warp bubbles hijacked by pirates

[Anonymous No.11834682]

>>11834178
Explain this for a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11834689]

>>11834682
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria you 474.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.11834799]

>>11834638
I would guess that centrifugal force makes the craft more difficult to turn (for evasive maneuvers) but hopefully the gentlemen physicists inexplicably browsing this ridiculous general will answer this brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11835073]

Blindsight.

[Anonymous No.11835083]

>>11835073
People call it Blindopraxia here.

[Anonymous No.11835096]

>>11835083
Peter Watts new book when?

[Anonymous No.11835100]

>>11832459
>dat book
me too man. it's like I have Stockholm syndrome

[Anonymous No.11835111]

>>11835096
Freeze Frame was released not long ago. I am getting the impression not a lot of posters here actually read him.

[Anonymous No.11835142]

Why does Robert Jordan think Short Spears are more effective than Long Spears?

[Anonymous No.11835147]

>>11835142
He probably used them in the jungles of Vietnam.

[Anonymous No.11835152]

>>11835147
Did he throw them from the Huey?

[Anonymous No.11835167]

>>11835152
Well kinda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb)

[Anonymous No.11835209]

>>11835096
I think someone had looked at a bunch of blogposts by Watts and looked back through his publishing history and what he says he's currently working on and estimated probably 2020 for the third and final book in the firefall series (blindsight, echopraxia and untitled third).

Kind of annoying because I really want to see how it ends, especially since he left mankind in a really fucking bleak place.

>>11835111
I've read some of the other stuff he's written and honestly it's not that great. Blindsight was absolutely fantastic but it's clear he struck gold by accident. Echopraxia was decent but not nearly on the same level as blindsight. Most people read blindsight because it was rightly so getting a lot of attention when people realised it was genuinely great. Beyond that, meh, Watts is ultimately forgettable, but damn I'm glad he wrote blindsight.

[Anonymous No.11835215]

Just finished pic related and enjoyed it. It had the same feeling as The Stars My Destination. Would recommend if you’re looking for a pulpy, short book about a police state and mutants.

[Anonymous No.11835229]

>>11835209
>Watts is ultimately forgettable
Bullshit. You probably never touched the Rifters. The man has the writing chops. So much so that I actually enjoyed that Crysis 2 novel.
Plus I am expecting he will find himself in a running gun battle with the cops any day now.

[Anonymous No.11835237]

>>11835229
>Plus I am expecting he will find himself in a running gun battle with the cops any day now.
why's that? is he mental IRL or something?

[Anonymous No.11835257]

>>11835237
I was half joking. He did have an altercation with the US Border Guard, which ended with him getting his shit pushed in (figuratively) and being barred from entering the States ever again. As for him being mental, I follow his blog on and off, and he does have a problem with authority (and children among other things). At least that's my impression of him.

[Anonymous No.11835304]

>>11833660
Ward ditches the best parts of Worm (relentless pacing, a well constructed superhero society) and replaces it with an endless slog of "character study" for characters I couldn't give less of a shit about.

[Anonymous No.11835453]

>>11835215
I never liked his "special race of supermen persecuted for being better" schtick.

[Anonymous No.11835463]

>>11835453
Ah yes, the (((slan))), Sci-nce's chosen race, who must bide their time and blend in with the rabble until the day comes for to rule.

[Anonymous No.11835473]

>>11835463
>>11835453
slan aren't better than humans you bakas. Just different. In the book it is explicitly stated that slan aren't magically smarter than humans. They start learning earlier than other because of the telepathic communication.

[Anonymous No.11835546]

>>11834473
If you get shot once, the structural integrity of the ship will be history and the centrifugal forces will just make the ship fly apart. Your center of mass will be dislocated and it will start rotating eccentrically. It will also make for a very difficult to maneuver vessel, particularly to turn around and aim at a moment's notice, as >>11834799 remarked. Rotating things behave very counterintuitively.

That scene of the docking in Interstellar is a little like what would happen. Except the docking part would be much much harder, since, as I mentioned, the center of mass would no longer be in the center of the ship and it would be rotating around. The guy would never be able to dock.

[Anonymous No.11835571]

IS THERE any fan art or other representation of the Salamander from Book of My Wife’s Son?

[Anonymous No.11835667]

Some people have told me that Book of the Long Sun has good prose but is really boring compared to Book of the New Sun, would you agree, /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.11835747]

>>11834267
>only 1/3 the way through
I need to hurry up, but I am enjoying it so far.

[Anonymous No.11835794]

>>11835747
Same desu. However it was not long ago that I started reading and I feel that I read more and more the better I get to know the characters.

[Anonymous No.11835803]

>>11835794
This too. The story used to crawl for me, but now that things have started to pick up and all the characters are known to me I'm reading a lot faster.

[Anonymous No.11835809]

>>11834105
This is the first sci-fi novel I read that had space combat and I thought it was extremely well done.

[Anonymous No.11835820]

>>11835809
That's an odd looking rabbit.

[Anonymous No.11835847]

>>11835820
Looks like a ferret.

Make him fight bunnyanon's furshit rabbit. Should be entertaining. Maybe they'll fuck.

[Anonymous No.11835952]

>>11835667
I wouldn't go so far as to call it boring but it definitely has several substantial scenes and subplots that ultimately don't go anywhere. It could have easily been 1/3rd shorter.

Long Sun is really just a prologue to Short Sun, however.

[Anonymous No.11835977]

>>11835952
Medium Sun any good?

What about Medium-Rare Sun?

[Anonymous No.11836240]

>>11835952
BotNS had an entire filler arc (Gene Wolfe has said on camera that the "storytelling contest" was added in just so Sword & Citadel would be long enough to publish on their own) and it was still great

[Anonymous No.11836317]

What are the best audiobooks for LotR and The Silmarillion?

[Anonymous No.11836500]

>>11836240
Well, Long Sun's filler scenes aren't as good as those in New Sun.

[Anonymous No.11836506]

>>11834799
Oh no, no mon ami it is far worse. Because you see the fate of your preferred alcoholic beverage in space is deeply, I say deeply impacted by the characteristic of the tin can you are in.
The most obvious characteristic of course being the absence of gravity (or the presence of microgravity) ... cuz only a dumbass would put a damn carousel on a military vessel (we don't call them ships cuz they don't have a poop deck and are not full of faggots). The wasting effect of zero-g on the musculoskeletal system is well documented. What people gloss over is the fact that in absence of gravity you are forced to suck on processed swill from tubes like some American. Not to mention the negative effect of low pressure on taste and boiling point.
So if you want your scotch on the rocks you are going to have have gravity... which means either you try to mimic it with rotation or linear acceleration. Rotation (without getting into too much details) means centrifuge, rotating either the whole ship or a ring section. Linear acceleration means blazing across the sky under steady one g (aka Earth's gravity). The former just piles up more complexity and things that can go wrong once shooting starts and the former is pretty energy intensive and not all that feasible in a lot situations.
While huge centrifuges are certainly feasible I am of the opinion those would not even be considered on a military vessels. That's a lot of mass and complexity that actually negatively impact the performance of your vessel.
Which leaves us with the other part of the equation - the crew, those poor bastards. Instead of adding tonnes of mass to our deathstar let's just modify those couple hundred kilos of meat we have flying around. Anything to help them better cope with the rigors of space combat. And you can go wild on that. Genetic modification, augmentation, you name it.
Just having a crew able to withstand higher acceleration forces would give you a serious advantage.
I wrote this wall of text and we haven't even breached one of the most important topics of space exploration - shitting in microgravity.

>>11835809
That looks horrible, with that rodent from Guardians of the Galaxy... but I'll read it, just to make fun of you anon.

[Anonymous No.11836529]

>>11836506
>judging a book by its cover
Are anons STILL this retarded?

[Anonymous No.11836548]

>>11836529
"For more than a century, Winged Hussars has been the richest of Earth's mercenary companies, as well as the only one to specialize in space warfare. Led by Alexis Cromwell, they have carved out a reputation in the galaxy for being dependable, unflappable, and lethally efficient. Until people began shooting at them everywhere they went.

Rick Culper left Earth in the hopes of finding a job as a merc. A natural at fighting in the armed suits known as CASPers, he finally caught on with one of the premier Four Horsemen companies, but it’s with the Winged Hussars, and the company's prospects are beginning to look bleak. "

No need to be so defensive about reading shit. We all do it.
It's space opera, it's shit, it's okay.

[Anonymous No.11836550]

>>11836529
Why would I spend money on a book with a bad cover? It's part of the value-add of a physical book.

[Anonymous No.11836556]

>>11836529
>not always judging books by their covers
The cover is all that matteres, 100% of the time I have a full grasp of the quality and plot of a book just by seeing the font on the spine.
And I'm being deadly serious here. All you need to know about whether you should read a book you get in the first one to five seconds of looking at it.

[Anonymous No.11836557]

>>11836548
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HARD SCI-FI ONLY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Getting worked into a shoot over some classic sci-fi lol

[Anonymous No.11836561]

>>11836550
>>11836556
See: >>11836529

[Anonymous No.11836567]

>>11836561
>judging a post by it's text
Are anons STILL this retarded?

[Anonymous No.11836571]

>>11830816
What do I read after the dune series?

[Anonymous No.11836603]

>>11836557
Most popular three star review (let's ignore anything below):
""Winged Hussars (The Revelations Cycle Book 3)," authored by Mr. Mark Wandrey, has a solid story, populated with engaging characters, that is unfortunately, continually hobbled by lazy, nearly inept at times, writing execution. It's as if the author, realizing he was past due in submitting his book, decided to forgo any professional pride of workmanship, and just petulantly threw it over his publisher's (digital) transom."

I don't get why are you so emotionally invested in yet another quick cash grab. There are hojilion of similar works on Amazon so why does this particular work deserve you throwing a hissy fit, green texting, REEEEE-ing, etc.? I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.11836608]

>>11836603
Why does this particular work deserve to be read, then, instead of those hojilion others?

[Anonymous No.11836625]

>>11836608
What work?
And please answer my question.

[Anonymous No.11836635]

>>11836561
You regularly buy paintings that you hate? What's wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.11836639]

>>11836625
The one we've been talking about, Winged Hussars?

Also, I'm not the one getting pissed off at it, so I can't answer the question.

[Anonymous No.11836672]

>>11836639
Oh I haven't read it yet, but I fully intend to. The book look like more of Amazon shovel-ware.
I was making fun of the Rocket Raccoon on the cover and things escalated quickly from there.

[Anonymous No.11836675]

>>11835571
No, but I always saw it as something like this. Low resolution image but it's the best I could find.

[Anonymous No.11836744]

>>11836571
My default serious recommendation is BOTNS unless you give more information about what you thought of Dune, what you liked/didn't.

[Anonymous No.11837119]

Is this series any good?

[Anonymous No.11837210]

I've read Joe Abercrombie, Black Company, and Prince of Thorns
Someone tell me what to read next

[Anonymous No.11837221]

>>11837210
Brent Weeks

[Anonymous No.11837222]

>>11837210
Holy shit, man, that's some... that's some terrible books. We need to save you.

Conan should make for an easy descent to good fantasy: it's similar to what you've read except not complete shite.

[Anonymous No.11837228]

>>11837210
Chronicles of Amber

[Anonymous No.11837267]

Where can I get a software that help me make a world map? Drawing things on paper isn't cutting it anymore for my world and I need something that can help me make a Google Earth-type world on my own. Any free software out there, anons?

[Anonymous No.11837283]

>>11835215
Slan was a nice read. The double-twist at the end got me.

[Anonymous No.11837289]

>>11837267
Imagine having the freedom to make any type of world you want and settling for a square.

[Anonymous No.11837305]

>>11837289
That's only a continent, if you were referring to my image

[Anonymous No.11837388]

>>11837119
Farland was Sanderson's mentor. It has a Sanderson-style magic system that's pretty well played. If that sounds good to you, you'll like it, at least at first. The first is the strongest, and while later books have some moments, I don't recall it going anywhere as a series.

[Anonymous No.11837401]

>>11837222
Why anyone would call Black Company terrible while recommending Conan is beyond me.

Conan is the trash tier embodiment of heroic fantasy. Try Gemmell's works or Blood Song if you want new school for books like Conan, but ya know, the not shit kind.

[Anonymous No.11837404]

>>11831590
I had to use an old school archaic dictionary because the internet wasn’t a thing when I read it. Reading it again using this let me pick up on a lot of small things I never noticed like when Wolfe uses the word pelagic it’s a code word

[Anonymous No.11837512]

>>11837401
>Conan is the trash tier embodiment of heroic fantasy.
Never go full retard, anon.

[Anonymous No.11837554]

Why do we not have a real top 100 list of our own? Reddit has one, granted it sucks but they still got one.

We still use NPR's trash list which was made by 60k casuals voting and they just picked the biggest names.

[Anonymous No.11837562]

>>11837554
Because I'm going to rig the vote just for the sport of it.

[Anonymous No.11837565]

>>11837554
Because of faggots like this: >>11837401

[Anonymous No.11837704]

>>11837565
Sorry anon, the movies were better and Tv Conan is the best Conan.

Not your fault you were born with shit taste, I just hope it improves slightly after you grow out of your ya phase.

[Anonymous No.11837845]

This is the best book of the last 10 years, I'll fight you if you say otherwise.

inb4 some dumfuck says "otherwise"

[Anonymous No.11837855]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pISzxdEgDCU
ever find a gem while randomly browsing youtube?

[Anonymous No.11837886]

>>11837845
looks lame
suck my dick

[Anonymous No.11837893]

>>11837886
But Brandon Sanderson says it's just plain awesome.

[Anonymous No.11837906]

>>11836744
i enjoyed the themes in Messiah/God Emperor revolving around government/religion in that setting

[Anonymous No.11837908]

>>11830816
Any good fantasy books set in a Victorian Era or even pushing into the WW1-Era? I want to read something that deals with magic coming face to face with advancing technology and industrialization.

[Anonymous No.11837926]

>>11837845
I enjoyed what i read of promise of blood. Stopped midway through due to some distraction or something though

[Anonymous No.11837932]

>>11837908
the thing is, technology and industrialization would have been completely different with any kind of magic present.

[Anonymous No.11837963]

>>11837886
your face you faggot, didn't your cuck dad not teach you not to judge a book by it's cover?

>>11837908
Not exactly victorian but you should def read Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell. Try searching for "gas lamp" fantasy for more victorian era books.

>>11837932
I'm going to blow your mind right now. Urban Fantasy.

>>11837926
Powder Mage was decent, started off alright in Promise of Blood and sort of fell away by the third book. But this sequel series, is something else and is just magnitudes better in every way.

[Anonymous No.11837969]

>>11836556
Thank god I only read pirated epubs.

[Anonymous No.11837980]

>>11837963
>teach you not to judge a book by it's cover
Oh look, it's this mental midget again.
Has it ever occurred to you that choice of cover does not happen in a vacuum? It's a good indicator on how much value the publisher thinks the text has.

[Anonymous No.11837981]

>>11837932
I mean sure if we're going to look at it from an entirely realistic manner, but if we do that how is a reptile weighing several tons at least being capable of flight any harder to buy than the idea that a platoon of guys who can shoot fire from their hands coming across an armoured train?

[Anonymous No.11837982]

>>11837845
can't read it until he finishes the series

[Anonymous No.11837989]

>>11837963
>I'm going to blow your mind right now. Urban Fantasy.
not the case sadly. 90% is just the real era re-skinned with some fantasy tropes subverted and/or played straight.
to actually make it feel organic takes a ton of work considering how and why the real world went in the direction it did, and how having magic present would change that.

[Anonymous No.11838008]

>>11837980
no fucking idea what you're on about, this is the first post I made about covers.

The most you can get out of a cover is genre and sub genre and that's nowhere near enough information to say whether the book will be good or bad.

There are a fuckton of good books with crap covers and bad books with good covers out there. The trend is even more skewed in the self published market where the author may know how to write a good book but has zero aesthetic sense and also has no publisher behind him to steer him right.

[Anonymous No.11838011]

>>11837932
The entire development of humanity would have been completely different with any kind of magic present, but medieval fantasy is still basically earth+

[Anonymous No.11838014]

>>11837989
shadowrun did it right
http://doomage.free.fr/Shadowrun/Brother/Shadowrun%204%20-%20Sixth%20World%20Almanac.pdf

[Anonymous No.11838019]

>>11837969
what are your sources anon? Anything other than mobilism that is reliable?

[Anonymous No.11838023]

>>11838011
difference is that people truly believed in the supernatural back then, so you could argue a similar basic hierarchy would arise from it.

[Anonymous No.11838035]

>>11838008
>self published market
I rest my case

[Anonymous No.11838095]

>>11838035
Just go back to books with pictures anon you're not ready for grown up books. Then you know exactly what you're getting with every picture and you'll actually be right.

Also it's 2018, all the best books are self published, the authors that make the most money, at least in fantasy are self published, publishers are buying and publishing previously self pubbed books because why not, they've been through extensive QA on the open market.

There's a lot of crap out there but if you know where and how to look there's also a lot of gold.

[Anonymous No.11838114]

>>11831255

it`s not eerie really, but the Red Dwarf novel, the first one at least, takes place mostly on the huge mining ship with only one human, one cat-human and a hologram. I don`t remember when Kryten turns up in the books.

They are surprisingly good. Probably because they are written by the original creators of the show.

[Anonymous No.11838132]

>>11831347
I hate reading series out of order but her books are impossible to find.
>>11832531
Absolutely, and the new book is great also.
>>11834105
The Gap Cycle by Stephen Donaldson has an interesting combat mechanic. Most people shit on him for Thomas Covenant but overlook his science fiction which is arguably better.

[Anonymous No.11838138]

>>11837855
Not bad

[Anonymous No.11838159]

>>11837704
>t. zoomer

[Anonymous No.11838179]

Why don't writers ever change little things when writing generic fantasy? Like giving your human characters an extra set of arms or a prehensile tail? Or instead of having them ride horses just have them ride giant birds like pic related? Shit that doesn't actually affect the story (though it could); just something a little DIFFERENT.

[Anonymous No.11838199]

>>11838179
but they do!
in the introductory chapter only and is never relevant or mentioned again.

[Anonymous No.11838226]

>>11838179
Because if you're writing something different just for the sake of being different, chances are the actual story is gonna be shit because little to no thought went into it.
You can write something different, but you have to have a story you want to tell that revolves around that difference.

[Anonymous No.11838262]

>>11838226
Except I was specifically talking about writers who are only interested in writing the most generic of generic fantasy (epic fantasy). If they're gonna write yet another LOTR or ASOIAF pastiche why not change SOME of the things I mentioned just to add a little creativity?

[Anonymous No.11838367]

>>11834105
The killing of worlds by Scott Westerfeld has a pretty good hard-ish space battle.

[Anonymous No.11838386]

>>11833467
>Cringe
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.11838414]

>>11838262
Because if you're ripping off LOTR or ASOIAF you don't have any creativity in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11838427]

>>11838414
Welcome to the vast majority of modern fantasy writers.

[Anonymous No.11838559]

>>11838427
There's a reason why fantasy setting that legitimately do something new and interesting get praise for their "unique worlds," people still gush over Morrowind because of Kirkbride's mad cocaine and hindu inspired ramblings.

[Anonymous No.11838677]

How is the galaxy edge series?

[Anonymous No.11838719]

>>11831620
>>11832323
>>11832321
thanks for the recs guys. but I'm definitely still leaning towards a vividly eerie, cut-off from all others, hostile sort of ambience that maintains itself throughout the whole book.

>>11833741
this seems cool, thanks anon.

>>11838114
that actually sounds pretty comfy, thanks for the rec. too bad there's no horror-type element to them.

[Anonymous No.11838765]

RECOMMEND ME SOME GOOD COSMIC HORROR FUCK

[Anonymous No.11838774]

>>11838677
I've only read the first four books, but I enjoyed them. It's basically Star Wars but the Storm Troopers are the good guys and it has a light-handed right-wing slant so if you're a bugman you might wanna skip it.

[Anonymous No.11838792]

>>11838774
Also the first four books all have different settings which is nice. First book is pure military sci-fi about an elite unit trapped on a hostile planet. Second book is pure Star Wars style space opera. Third book is basically Zero Dark Thirty in space. And the fourth book is entirely about a space fleet laying siege to a planet.

[Anonymous No.11838802]

Anyone read it, is it any good?

[Anonymous No.11838836]

i just cant focus fully when i read this, im not sure why but i always get distracted, i cant immerse myself
is it worth trying so hard to read this?

[Anonymous No.11838853]

>>11838836
How far in are you? it took me a few hundred pages to get into it if i recall. The part where the Alamo Avengers show up is what made me read it whenever i could

[Anonymous No.11838860]

>>11838802
I wish gun fantasy was more of a thing. I want to read about gunslingers with six-shooters fighting evil wizards and monsters.

[Anonymous No.11838863]

>>11838853
i just got to chapter 10, i also skipped some part i think was unnecessary

[Anonymous No.11838946]

>>11838860
The early modern/"pike and shot" period especially has a lot of potential but to my knowledge only Glen Cook has bothered with it.

[Anonymous No.11838951]

>>11838946
David Gemmell's Jerusalem Man trilogy is basically The Dark Tower told through a heroic fantasy filter. Has lots of gunslinger versus monsters and evil shit in general. But I seem to be the only person who really likes that series; even among Gemmell fans.

[Anonymous No.11838978]

What's a good fantasy book or series in which the main character(s) travels to many different locations/cities and in which the author goes to great lengths to describe those locations and its inhabitants?
I want to read something that feels like an adventure.

[Anonymous No.11838980]

>>11838978
The Straggler's Mask makes an effort to do this.

[Anonymous No.11839030]

>>11838978
The History of Runestaff. I ran out of steam by the fourth book though and read the spoilers on wikipedia like a douchebag, but the protag travels to plenty of places and meets lots of different people. The setting is "science fantasy" though instead of straight up fantasy.

[Anonymous No.11839037]

>>11839030
>I ran out of steam
Also this seems to be a common occurrence now when I read Moorcock. I ran out of steam as well reading Elric and only got about 2 and a half stories in.

[Anonymous No.11839098]

Any scifi/horror recommendation? Can be something similar to event horizon movie.

[Anonymous No.11839108]

>>11838980
Dumb bunny poster.

[Anonymous No.11839122]

>>11837222
Why would anyone ever call Abercrombie terrible?

[Anonymous No.11839142]

>>11839122
Maybe they just don't like his writing?
Maybe they don't like his pacing?
Maybe it's just Maybelline?

[Anonymous No.11839145]

>>11839122
I read one of his short stories in a collection and the writing was terrible. That's my reason.

[Anonymous No.11839179]

>>11830825
rude

[Anonymous No.11839187]

>>11839145
So it wasn't Maybelline?

[Anonymous No.11839209]

>>11839187
No, but thanks for asking.

[Anonymous No.11839213]

>>11839122
>he asked, sucking his gums for the millionth time
>has never taken a bath

[Anonymous No.11839219]

>>11839108
Stop avatarfagging.

[Anonymous No.11839223]

>>11839145
Recommend me something with good writing

[Anonymous No.11839225]

>>11839223
With Abercombie? You might as well ask for fast-paced Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.11839227]

>>11839223
Jack Vance's The Dragon Masters

[Anonymous No.11839231]

>>11839213
Where is that from? I keep seeing it mentioned whenever ol' Joe gets brought up, almost as much as the diarrhea passage by GRRM?

>>11839219
>sucks teeth
>spits tobacco
No.

>>11839223
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

[Anonymous No.11839233]

>>11839223
What do you mean by good writing, that can mean a whole lot of things.

If you mean prose then anything by Guy Gavriel Kay, Tigana is a decent place to start.

China Meiville's books if you want creative, highly imaginative writing but also a little weird.

[Anonymous No.11839236]

>>11839233
You can't recommend him the usual /sffg/ slop.
He is asking for something with good writing.

[Anonymous No.11839238]

>>11837908
I GOT THIS ONE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAzxtMa3Tx0&t=0s&list=PLt3Pke412qVeZPOy37JHC3gMs4w6Yc9qL&index=2

[Anonymous No.11839240]

>>11839238
Flashman's more historical fiction than anything, though?

>>11839236
Tolkien then. Everything by Tolkien, basically.

[Anonymous No.11839243]

>>11839223
I would usually say BotNS but to spice things up a little I'll say Conan by REH. Just don't read more than one story at once or it will become repetitive.

[Anonymous No.11839247]

>>11839240
>Tolkien then. Everything by Tolkien, basically.
No he wants actual literature, with real writers, not made up shit. He needs something that speaks of the human condition, not some childish siblings.

[Anonymous No.11839250]

>>11839247
>He needs something that speaks of the human condition
How boring.

[Anonymous No.11839251]

>>11839233
>What do you mean by good writing
I don't know m8, I'm not the guy who complained about bad writing

[Anonymous No.11839256]

>>11839247
Then why are you in this thread?

[Anonymous No.11839259]

>>11839250
Yeah I know. Improving oneself is always so tedious. Better to read fantasy.

>>11839256
I like fantasy.

[Anonymous No.11839264]

>>11839259
>No he wants actual literature, with real writers, not made up shit.

>I like fantasy.

you have brain damage?

[Anonymous No.11839276]

>>11839264
Everything is going to be a-OK.

[Anonymous No.11839282]

>>11839264
All avatarfags do.

[Anonymous No.11839334]

>>11837845
>female soldiers

[Anonymous No.11839344]

All the scifi I ever read was Star Wars EU novels as a kid. I wanna fix that.
Is there any recommended order to get the most out of the genre or do I just start with everything the big three have ever written?

[Anonymous No.11839364]

>>11839344
And who are the big three?

[Anonymous No.11839369]

>>11839364
Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein
It's in the OP and everything

[Anonymous No.11839382]

>>11839369
The OP is for gays.

[Anonymous No.11839416]

>>11839369
I’ll maintain what I’ve said in the past about Asimov—I absolutely love every piece of non-fiction I’ve read by him. He was a smart man and a talented essayist with a knack for making scientific concepts accessible to the curious layperson. But he is also probably one of the worst fiction writers I have ever read.

[Anonymous No.11839453]

>>11839369
There's no point in reading EVERYTHING Asimov or Heinlein wrote. Asimov is boring as fuck and Heinlein developed into something of a hack.

[Anonymous No.11839463]

>>11839453
>>11839416
>>11839382
Alright then you bunch of nerds, I'll start with Neuromancer and the Foundation series

[Anonymous No.11839475]

>>11839463
Read some PKD instead of Asimov

[Anonymous No.11839479]

>>11839463
>foundation
Start with the original trilogy. Then read the rest if you want more.

[Anonymous No.11839495]

Alright anons, it's time for the hard hitting questions.

If you could only read one genre for the rest of your life, which would it be?

Sci-Fi or Fantasy?

[Anonymous No.11839506]

>>11839495
Fantasy.

I could even go with hard mode and further limit that to heroic fantasy and sword & sorcery.

[Anonymous No.11839586]

>read Vengeful by VE Schwab
>Victor fucking dies
Goodnight sweet prince ;_;7

I'm going through Galactic North by Alistair Reynolds at the same time, but what I do find darkly ironic is that as always VE Schwab's villains all feel quite a damn more human and significantly less psychotic than Reynolds' regular protagonists. I mean, Rev Space gets a lot less autistic as you get deeper in it but it's always surprising how autistic it can get.

Like psychotic dolphins.

[Anonymous No.11839652]

>>11839495
Science fantasy

[Anonymous No.11839668]

>>11832820
You just broke the news to me

[Anonymous No.11839940]

>>11838019
libgen is pretty good, and a lot of times googling a book and/or author and VK will give you a d/l link. Example, everyone's favorite hack

[Anonymous No.11839962]

>>11839231
Every Glokta chapter in the entire First Law trilogy.

[Anonymous No.11840000]

Why is the Kingkiller Chronicle so shit?

[Anonymous No.11840019]

>>11840000
It's the most generic, easily-digestible, wish-fulfillment bullshit imaginable. There's nothing exciting about it, nothing thoughtful, nothing worth spending all your time to. The first book isn't even entertainingly bad - it's just incredibly mediocre and dull. The second one at least can get properly terrible with the awful writing and cuck politics.

[Anonymous No.11840028]

Do I start Sanderson with Way or Kings or Mistborn?

[Anonymous No.11840031]

>>11840028
SA is decent for the first two books, mistborn is just poorly written and uninteresting YA shit

[Anonymous No.11840055]

>>11838860
I can honestly see a ton of ways early firearms fantasy could work, anywhere from early flintlocks to bolt action rifles.
Damn shame it's kind of a niche.

[Anonymous No.11840061]

Is there anything else like it (sci-fi with very heavy mysticism, but not outright science fantasy)?

[Anonymous No.11840076]

>>11840061
Certain parts of Hyperion?

[Anonymous No.11840122]

>>11840028
Way of Kings, or possibly Warbreaker

[Anonymous No.11840123]

>>11840061
>not outright science fantasy
in dune there is some shit that lets people see the future
dune is science fantasy

[Anonymous No.11840140]

>tfw you're the only one reading the End of the Xeelee Sequence

>>11840028

[Anonymous No.11840157]

>>11840140
need to add Edgedancer in between Words of Radiance and Oathbringer

also White Sands has two volumes now

[Anonymous No.11840185]

>>11840157
Yeah no shit read the filename
I didn't make it anyway and I don't even know where to search the forums for an updated copy, if one exists.

[Anonymous No.11840199]

>>11840028
You start with Warbreaker and once you're done with it you're finished.

[Anonymous No.11840231]

>>11833453
I seriously don't get when people describe 3BP as "hard scifi". It's methodical and near-future, sure, but when the whole thing hinges on the aliens' ability to fucking reprogram fundamental particles and turn them into magic ultracomputers I think you have to accept that "hard" went out the window a while ago.

[Anonymous No.11840245]

>>11840231
People will call anything they personally like "hard"

[Anonymous No.11840246]

>>11839940
>takes a screenshot of his web browser for his pakistani rice cultivation forum
>doesn't even have the decency to leave in a few personally incriminating tabs and google searches
yep sounds like a sanderson fan

[Anonymous No.11840286]

>>11839495
SF, I have no clue what today's authors are like though

[Anonymous No.11840291]

>>11837845
I’ve been thinking of reading these. From 1-10 how much of a leftist is the author?

[Anonymous No.11840400]

>>11840028
Don't read Way of Kings until he finishes the series.

[Anonymous No.11840422]

>>11838980
I feel I'm getting memed but honestly, the premise sounds kinda fun.

>>11839030
Thanks for the suggestion m8, Science Fantasy is pretty alright, I enjoyed Book of the New Sun and that is supposed to be Science Fantasy too, right?

[Anonymous No.11840428]

>>11840400
But that's the only Sanderson series that looks any good.

[Anonymous No.11840432]

>>11840422
>I feel I'm getting memed but honestly, the premise sounds kinda fun.
I think you can preview it. Give it a look, decide whether it's a meme yourself.

It is science fantasy, too.

[Anonymous No.11840450]

I've been getting into sci fi and fantasy a lot recently. Please recommend me some books
I loved Harry Potter, Hunger Games and Twilight

[Anonymous No.11840454]

>>11840450
You'll love Kingkiller Chronicles then! It's the most popular fantasy series out there right now.

[Anonymous No.11840545]

>>11840450
you can try suicide

[Anonymous No.11840546]

>>11839223
>fantasy/sci-fi
>good writing

[Anonymous No.11840568]

>>11840546
Great post my good sir, you fit right in

[Anonymous No.11840603]

>>11840246
You're right, I failed. I'll do better next time anon.

[Anonymous No.11840635]

>>11840450

[Anonymous No.11840790]

>>11838179
I do. In my book, people run around riding bipedal saurischian dinosaurs (theropods) and triceratops and giant ass aurochs and all sorts of crazy stuff, they wield laser weapons and think it's magic and shit.
I'm already published in my country and I don't really care whether people think it's """"realistic"""" or not, to be honest I'm quite sick of the whole realistic grimdark fantasy that's trending. Hopefully some people will enjoy crazy fantasy again.

[Anonymous No.11840810]

I've greatly enjoyed Dune series and BotNS and I've read through both several times. I'm mainly into rambly pseudo philosophical wall o' texts which is why I also liked Bakker.
What else should I read?

[Anonymous No.11840840]

i see dune gets mentioned a lot on the last few threads, will it be hard to read for a non native speaker? i can read any modern novels but usually i have problems with the old novels

[Anonymous No.11840888]

>>11840810
Damn.

[Anonymous No.11840935]

Where can I find SF dealing with pic related?

[Anonymous No.11840939]

>>11840935
Most cyberpunk.

[Anonymous No.11840983]

>>11840935
Damn Americans are pushing hard that fiction.

[Anonymous No.11841094]

>bitch and moan about Gurm not finishing asoiaf
>make your own series to show him how it's done
>give up after a book and a half

[Anonymous No.11841130]

>>11840061
See: >>11832181
>"The sweep and political complexity of Dune"

[Anonymous No.11841147]

>>11841130
But that's just marketing bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11841151]

>>11840790
Believable > Realism. Realism is shit and it's what turned Science Fiction from a once super popular book genre into a niche within a niche.

[Anonymous No.11841155]

>>11841147
Except I read the book and it's very much in the vein of Dune.

[Anonymous No.11841162]

>>11841094
A Sea of Skulls came out last year....

[Anonymous No.11841171]

>>11841162
It came out 2 years ago half finished.

[Anonymous No.11841180]

>>11841155
I don't know how to break it to you anon, but your opinion, as your interest in space fantasy, is... iffy to put it politely.
After trying to read that book, I wouldn't let you recommend me a travel guide.

[Anonymous No.11841217]

>>11841180
You should stick to Harry Potter then, anon.

[Anonymous No.11841227]

>>11841171
Do you expect him to pump out a novel every year? How retarded is that?

[Anonymous No.11841238]

>>11841227
Are you stunted? In 6 years he's released 1 and a half books.

[Anonymous No.11841260]

>>11841238
And a bunch of short stories. He never said he was going to pump out a book a year. His thing with ASOIAF is that he said he wanted to write a BETTER series; not that he could he write a novel every single year or two.

[Anonymous No.11841295]

>>11841260
>He never said he was going to pump out a book a year
And I never asked him to, but it's been 6 years since Throne of Bones and he still hasn't finished the sequel.

[Anonymous No.11841341]

>>11841217
"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

[Anonymous No.11841345]

>>11841341
>the truth will set you fret

[Anonymous No.11841377]

>>11841345
Anything to stop him from being so booty bothered.

[Anonymous No.11841428]

>>11841377
>t. triggered

[Anonymous No.11841461]

>>11841428

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.11841743]

>>11840935
Most SF exists to perform what your graphic is describing (shaping the masses to conform to an elite's will).
>>11840939
This is true, although most cyberpunk describes the digital outlaw rather than a member of the shaped mass.
>>11840983
>Damn Americans are pushing hard that fiction.
"Those damned Americans are pushing that fiction hard."
>t. Yankee noblesse oblige

[Anonymous No.11841938]

>>11834150
or read Seveneyes by Neal Stephenson. I like NS, but that book was boring as fuck unless you're really into space mechanics

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.11842004]

>>11841996
>>11841996
>>11841996
We regenerate anew.