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Can we have a serious discussion about Ayn Rand for once?

No trolling, no hating

I enjoy her philosophy, how about you?

>> No.1182718

ugly whore

>> No.1182721

im new to her. i recently aquired The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged as i'd heard good things on here bout them. im staying in here to see what happens.

>> No.1182722

Psuedo-objectivist bullshit.

>> No.1182723

NOPE

>> No.1182728
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Incoherent "philosophy" filled to the brim with fallacies. Dry and boring writing style, savant characters, rape fetish.

>> No.1182745

>>1182721
Read them and form you own opinion. This board, biased as it is, cannot speak of Ayn Rand fairly.

>> No.1182757

I've played through a half of Bioshock, can I call myself a specialist in Rand's philosophy now?

>> No.1182761

>>1182757
Compared to normal folk? Yea...

>> No.1182774

"If it was rape, it was rape by engraved invitation"

>> No.1182779

>>1182761

>implying "normal folk" don't play Bioshock

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>I enjoy her philosophy
>enjoy her philosophy
>enjoy
>philosophy

>> No.1182797

You know what I really fucking hate about ayn rand?

Her hair. Seriously, it looks like she's wearing some kind of helmet. Ugh.

>> No.1182814

>I enjoy her philosophy
=
>I enjoy her masturbation & ego stroking

>> No.1182819

i started reading atlas shrugged and honestly other than the prose being particularly bland its not bad

maybe once i get further into it ill start hating it

also the main character from the fountainhead was such a smug asshole

>> No.1182820

>>1182819
got to Rearden yet?

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I know people that like her other works about vampires and shit.

The philosophy is crap though, and about as high of a standing in the scientific community as Freud and Marx, which is to say not very much.

I have a feeling that anyone who actually believes her philosophy falls into the same traps that Richard Westfall makes in his book "The Construction of Modern Science".

>> No.1182831

>>1182819
I read the Fountainhead as a scifi novel(main character has evolved mentally) and enjoyed it.


So smug, so fucking smug

>> No.1182836

4chan doesn't like rand because they feel they're the only ones who should be allowed to masturbate / ego stroke

it's like two equally villainous bad guys in a comic book who spend time fighting each other instead of the protagonist

if they were to join forces they'd be twice as powerful

>> No.1182837

>>1182836
But Ayn Rand was a hero

>> No.1182838

I consider myself an Ayn Rand fan, but there is no reason anyone who has already gotten over the worst part of their teen angst phase would ever need to read Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead.

Anthem is enough. It gets everything you need to know across in like 100 pages.

>> No.1182841

>>1182838
I enjoyed the Fountainhead not because of any angst or bullcrap like that. I enjoyed the thought that somewhere, there could be an architect that could actually make decent buildings. I'm sick of all the suburban styles in the midwest US and I want something different for myself.

Besides, it was a good read whether you liked the characters or not.

>> No.1182843

"Her diaries from that time, while she worked as a receptionist and an extra, lay out the Nietzschean mentality that underpins all her later writings. The newspapers were filled for months with stories about serial killer called William Hickman, who kidnapped a 12-year-old girl called Marion Parker from her junior high school, raped her, and dismembered her body, which he sent mockingly to the police in pieces. Rand wrote great stretches of praise for him, saying he represented "the amazing picture of a man with no regard whatsoever for all that a society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul. … Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should." She called him "a brilliant, unusual, exceptional boy," shimmering with "immense, explicit egotism." Rand had only one regret: "A strong man can eventually trample society under its feet. That boy [Hickman] was not strong enough.""

from http://www.slate.com/id/2233966/

>> No.1182844

> Report submitted! This window will close in 5 seconds...

>> No.1182846

>>1182843
Why did you post that?

You never said if you agree or disagree with her assessment.

>> No.1182850

>>1182846

Oops. I didn't know that I needed to state explicitly that I'm not an idiot. I disagree with her "assessment," from getting wet over serial murderers and pedophiles to the misunderstandings of Aristotle, Kant, and Nietzsche and the transcendental nonsense of A=A /... STFU and support the market.

>> No.1182851

>>1182850
>calling someone with a different assessment an idiot

I see they'll be no intellectual discourse between us.

I'll simply state that I agree with Rand on the serial killer issue and leave it at that.

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>>1182851

>I'll simply state that I agree with Rand on the serial killer issue and leave it at that.
>I see they'll be no intellectual discourse between us.

They will indeed.

(If you're not trolling, then I'd advise you to go into therapy immediately.)

>> No.1182855

>>1182853
I see you found my typo.
I left it there to see if you'd fall for it, and being the simple creature you are, you did.

I think you need the therapy. Closing yourself off, shutting out the rest of the world, is NOT normal.

Let your mind open up and take in new ideas.

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>>1182855

>I left it there to see if you'd fall for it, and being the simple creature you are, you did.

>> No.1182874

>>1182870
And here I was betting you wouldn't reply with your trip after being bested.

Trying to save face? It won't work.

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>>1182874

>bested

Let's guess what's next:

>reaction images? on MY 4chan?

>> No.1182876

>>1182875
>calling me a troll

WITH a reaction image. My, my...you're very low-brow, aren't you?

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>>1182876

>you're very low-brow, aren't you?
>I'll simply state that I agree with Rand
>on the serial killer issue

>> No.1182880

>>1182879
>green text, with complementary reaction image

Hahahahahaahahahahhaahahah

*breath*

ahhahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

It's like I'm really on /b/

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>>1182880

Just giving you the responses you deserve. I suppose if I wasn't drinking my coffee, that would probably be no response whatsoever, but I'll settle for watching you try so hard.

>try so hard? MOI?!

>> No.1182885

>>1182883
Second time you posted that chick. Are you an avatarfag as well as a tripfag?

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>>1182885

>I'm out of responses
>
>
>...TRIPFAGS!

>> No.1182890

>>1182887
>out of responses

What? What am I supposed to respond to your half-hearted trolling?

You're not arguing any points, not expressing logical opinions...

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>>1182890

>You're not arguing any points
>Let your mind open up and take in new ideas
>I'll simply state that I agree with Rand on the serial killer issue

>> No.1182894

Randists are usually nothing more than know-it-all little boys that were told by their mamas "you're special" far too many times. And they all want to be Batman. They'd be annoying if they weren't so f'n boring.

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>>1182713

My (not trolling) process for reading Rand

>read half a page
>HOLY FUCK I HATE YOU AYN RAND RAAAAAAAAAGE
>throw book across the room
>pick up book a half hour later
>read half a page
>THIS BITCH HAS TO BE TROLLING FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>throw book across room
>repeat for the next year until book is complete half pages at a time.

With the exception of Anthem - because it's easy enough to enjoy a decent story and look past the "hurrrr dumb commies" screaming blatant undertones.

>> No.1182915

A Randroid is a follower of Objectivism, a phallocentric religion designed to turn basement dwellers into self-righteous zealots devoted to the worship of a dead soviet hag. It is the most rational belief system in human history.

Randroids have major hard-ons for big business even though most of them, including Rand herself, have no experience in the business world beyond the cash register at the local Quizno's. According to Objectivism, capitalism is innately fair and anyone who doesn't earn enough money to make a living simply isn't working hard enough.

Randroids see the world in black and white. Everything can be nicely summed up with bumper stickers and quotes, and a polemic ridden with fallacies and flaws by a guy named Spooner can tell you exactly how the world works. You're either a hard working citizen or a parasitic leech.

>> No.1182919

>>1182913
>implying communism isn't a stupid as fuck philosophy

>> No.1182921

>>1182919
You mean that hysterical straw man that she builds up, then proceeds to scream at till she's blue.

>> No.1182939

>>1182919
Communism and Objectivism, to me, are two extremes: one left, one right.

>> No.1182941

>>1182841
what about frank lloyd wright?

you're a slowpoke.

to function as a society: you have to have both a communal and individualistic attitude

to function as an adult: you have to have both a communal and individualistic attitude

i'm leaving this thread before i get bored.

>> No.1182954

>>1182915
What otherr degrees are there? when it comes down to it it all depends on whether your an asset or your a drain on assets. pass or fail.

>> No.1182975

>>1182954
It's not that black and white.

>> No.1182981

ITT: Two butthurt faggots argue with eachother and /lit/forgets that Ayn Rand is against the rules.

>> No.1182989

>>1182981
>ITT: /lit/

Fixed

>> No.1183020

>>1182975

It is. Not to forget the fact that there are only white men of European / Scandinavian descent, with the possible exception of Francisco (even though his forefather came from Spain).

It just blows my mind on so many levels. How the hell can there be no other ethnical groups in New York?! Do they not exist in Rand's imaginary Disney World of objectivist-paradise?

Damn you Ayn Rand, damn you...

By the way, anyone who is up for a good laugh should check out the Uncyclopedia article about Ayn Rand. Here are some links:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ayn_Rand

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

>> No.1183141

>>1183020
>uncyclopedia

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh god you actually find that shit website funny?

>> No.1183158

>>1183020
Sure is delicious tears at the facts here.