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Anonymous Tue Sep 18 17:15:19 2018 No.11806353 [Reply] [Original]

redpill me on japanese literature.

I just Atsumori for school and thought it was based.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 17:31:43 2018 No.11806446 Good but untranslatable. Whatever "translation" you read is a miserable parody. To read Japanese literature you have to learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 17:41:33 2018 No.11806516 >>11806446 What makes Japanese any different from other translated texts from different European languages, for example?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 17:43:48 2018 No.11806535 >>11806516 Western languages are inferential, Japanese is more like a merkle tree root hash

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 17:55:09 2018 No.11806601 >>11806516 You know how you lose a lot of subtlety when translating english to spanish, or english to german, even though they're fairly similar languages? Well, with japanese, that happens with every sentence, even with basic shit like da/desu

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 18:12:33 2018 No.11806702 >>11806601 Yeah that’s why all “deep” sentences in Japanese films books and anime sound fucking retarded, right? Rather than fluid and evocative. It’s not just that Japs are pseuds?

Anonymous Tue Sep 18 18:17:41 2018 No.11806734
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>>11806702
>Deep
>Anime
Doing a big fucking think.

Also, yes. American diplomats, studying full time, take more than two years to master the language. Do you honestly think that you can translate a deep sentence from such a fundamentally different language to english without either losing detail or having it sound retarded?

Anonymous Tue Sep 18 18:20:37 2018 No.11806755

>>11806353
To generalise, Japanese literature from the Heian era up to the present tends to be very much style over substance. There's lots of symbolism and lots of imagery, but not very much meaning in the sense that a western reader would expect. Although that's not to say that it's all bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 18:59:05 2018 No.11806919 >>11806702 Nah, that's just what they do, the emotional aesthetic of deepness without any actual deepness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 20:10:25 2018 No.11807141 >>11806734 I thought Chinese was supposed to be way harder than Japanese.

Anonymous Tue Sep 18 20:18:20 2018 No.11807174

>>11807141
>>11807141
Chinese pronunciation is very hard (tones), but their grammar is more straightforward than English and they only have one writing system/logographic alphabet. Groriuosu Nippongo has three, THREE alphabets and their grammar is suicide-tier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 19 01:58:25 2018 No.11808338 >>11806755 Could you elaborate on this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 19 02:06:36 2018 No.11808354 Have I wasted my time reading Mishima translations?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 19 09:05:14 2018 No.11809357 >>11808354 No

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 19 09:07:31 2018 No.11809362 >>11808354 Mishima's prose is a lot more elegant and condensed in Japanese than it appears in English. Maybe kind of like Oscar Wilde

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