/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11804031]

Do you subvocalise?

[Anonymous No.11804033]

>>11804031
Yep. I find I retain what I read better that way

[Anonymous No.11804037]

>>11804031
We all do. The article wasn't about how many people subvocalize, but about how often, you retards.

[Anonymous No.11804042]

>>11804033
found the virgin

[Anonymous No.11804066]

>>11804031
>>11804037
Isn't it normal to constantly be sub vocalising? My internal monologue essentially never stops unless I'm meditating

[Anonymous No.11804105]

>>11804066

[Anonymous No.11804119]

>>11804031
Only when reading poetry

[Anonymous No.11804127]

>>11804066
>Isn't it normal to constantly be sub vocalising?
Not for me, but I might be slightly autistic.

[Anonymous No.11804134]

>>11804119
the only patrician way

[Anonymous No.11804177]

Wait, is the right supposed to be what "NPCs" do? Because I do that all the time

[Anonymous No.11804205]

>>11804066
>Isn't it normal
Don't fall for the typical mind fallacy, anon. There are things in your head that you might assume to be universal that aren't.

[Anonymous No.11804226]

I loudly recite and put on different voices for different characters.

[Anonymous No.11804248]

Wait, I constantly subvocalize, I always have an internal monologue going, there are people that don't?

[Anonymous No.11804253]

>>11804248
it slows me down

[Anonymous No.11804254]

>>11804226
this. reading in your head was never supposed to be a thing

[Anonymous No.11804257]

>>11804031
Yeah, I get more out of a text that way.

If I can read it without subvocalizing it's not challenging and not worth my time.

[Anonymous No.11804260]

>>11804248
you can think also in images or concepts without having to narrate it, may choose to narrate it if you feel like it

[Anonymous No.11804275]

Most shameful Anglo habits:

1. Subvocalizing
2. Sleeping with stuffed animals
3. Incontinence

[Anonymous No.11804277]

Maybe on rereadings or with difficult text, but that shit takes too long. Reminds of being in middle school where the class took turns reading out loud and everyone dreaded when it became that one retard's turn and he would take so long going through it the teacher would cut him off early and move on to thr next kid.

[Anonymous No.11804310]

>>11804248
I split up the subvocalizing part of my brain and the part that reads as visual chunks.

I start subvocalizing the second I see a sentence, and simultaneously read the whole thing for it's general meaning. If the visual reading part of my brain thinks the sentence is important or worth extra thought, I will finish subvocalizing the whole thing. Otherwise I will have skipped to the next chunk of text before I've even subvocalized the 3rd or 4th word.

[Anonymous No.11804338]

>>11804031
I always read out loud

[Anonymous No.11804342]

I know that it seems weird and it is even to me. At some point in my life most of the processes that I used to do in a conscious manner became unconscious.
It has occurred to me pretty clearly with learning. As it is not useful for me to just go full in trying to impregnate myself consciously of something when it will ultimetly be understood if I let my mind
the time necessary to digest the idea.

Maybe I just at some point realised that it is impossible to go faster than your mind/brain.

[Anonymous No.11804347]

>>11804275
and they suck nigger dick

[Anonymous No.11804359]

>>11804248
Subvocalizing is a matter of taste and preference I think.

Constantly having an internal monologue is very tiring I don't understand why you would put yourself throught that.
And if you have an internal monologue even when listening to someone then you have a problem.

I get caught by internal monologues after a regretful decision but I tend to not have too much of those for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous No.11804380]

>>11804248
I don't when I'm actually speaking, but otherwise it's always 'on'

[Anonymous No.11804390]

>>11804031
yes. it helps with retention and understanding.

Ive played with speed reading techniques and sub vocalization but I find I get more engaged with a book when I read deliberately.

[Anonymous No.11804414]

>>11804248
Same sometimes I wish it would just stop. It's has its own mind

[Anonymous No.11804418]

It depends, if I'm reading say, 4chan or a newspaper or a book I'm not that interested in, I don't subvocalize any of it.
On the other hand, if I'm enjoying something, I will slow down and subvocalize it as if I were reading it to a room full of people, carefully and deliberately.

In general life I can do both as well, I never thought that it was a one or the other type deal, I use one or both when it's applicable and that's how it always has been.

[Anonymous No.11804419]

>>11804414
Just embrace it. Let it think and process things for you.

[Anonymous No.11804571]

>>11804248
I do it only when I'm not reading something, when I do it switches to mostly thinking through pictures and concepts

[Anonymous No.11804581]

>>11804248
If I'm writing, preparing to write something or if I'm reading something that needs focus. For some reason it comes out when I'm driving or exercising too.
If I'm skim reading or doing anything else then I almost never have one.

[Anonymous No.11804680]

>>11804066
Nothing wrong with continuous inner monologue per se but it does have some association with anxiety. Overthinking everything, catastrophizing, thinking while conversing. It also distracts you from your surroundings more generally.

The attached mantra from Be Here Now is pleasant. I have it memorized and internally recite it when I want to silence my inner monologue.

[Anonymous No.11804695]

>>11804177
I'm gonna kill you for xp.

[Anonymous No.11804715]

>>11804226
Start recording audio books for me and the blind plz.

[Anonymous No.11804742]

>>11804031
>can understand “abstract concepts” that are “beyond human speech”

Found my spooky boy!

[Anonymous No.11804784]

>>11804275
>sleeping with stuffed animals.
>shameful.

:(

[Anonymous No.11804841]

>>11804031
Only during dialogue. Thinking in complex imagery is much easier to remember and coherently understand.

[Anonymous No.11804873]

>>11804248
Its so weird for me to think that people aren't constantly sub-vocalizing. I didn't even know that it wasn't just a universal brain thing until recently.
Does that mean that people are just walking around all day without thinking to themselves? That sounds terribly boring to me.

[Anonymous No.11804882]

>>11804342


>>11804342
0.2166666666666 I realized this as well I assumed that I was just stupid

[Anonymous No.11804901]

>>11804873
>he can only think through subvocalizing

jesus christ I feel bad for you.

[Anonymous No.11804910]

>>11804873
You should have the capacity to think without saying the words. I often find myself cutting off trains of thought or making jokes out of it, laughing before I've even made the joke vocally to myself - I'm that sad. However, I usually vocalise it afterwards as I believe that enables it to be properly thought through.

With books, I have read in the manner they are describing but retention was awful.

[Anonymous No.11804914]

>>11804338
Me 2bruh, reading silently just feels difficult

[Anonymous No.11805028]

>>11804066
You need to read the Ancient Aztecs, the Greeks can't save you at this point. The Aztecs said that man can only ascend by silencing his internal voice.

[Anonymous No.11805038]

>>11804910
Well yes I can, but that is not my normal mode of thinking. I find that I don't think with words in situations that need immediate actions and reactions. I guess a good example would be when playing pick up basketball. I'm not like "hm I'll fake the post up and pop out for an elbow jumper," I just think about a move that might work and do it. I don't think with words when doing something, but when not really doing anything important the internal monologue just has its way.

[Anonymous No.11805423]

>>11804248
imagine having to subvocalize every 4chan post

[Anonymous No.11805477]

So what do I do if I have a constant monologue? Keeps me up at night.

[Anonymous No.11805500]

>>11805028
And they lived like shit, so.

[Anonymous No.11805510]

So the meat portals found a new way to cope with their emptiness.

[Anonymous No.11805518]

>>11805500
put jews in a camp and their IQ won't seem so impressive either. circumstances.

[Anonymous No.11805530]

>>11804680
>thinking while conversing

how do i stop this? i can only pull it of when im VERY drunk

[Anonymous No.11805531]

>>11805518
How come asians weren't so shit then, they lived in fucking island, meanwhile the amerindian live in a paradise.

[Anonymous No.11805541]

>>11805531
Asia is the largest continent on earth anon.

[Anonymous No.11805549]

>>11805541
West Asia, and some cities of the middle east, you know the context.

[Anonymous No.11805584]

>>11804031
I subvocalise, but also think with smells and textures.
>Tfw internal monologue interrupted by violent, sexual intrusive thoughts
>Tfw often internally argue with other self

[Anonymous No.11805700]

I think in mathematically ordered loops of 80's hit songs. I'm actually having difficulty writing this post because of the lyrics interrupting my train of thought.

[Anonymous No.11805788]

>>11805700
You're out of touch

[Anonymous No.11805856]

>>11804031
I subvocalise on two different occasions. First when I'm writing and I want to try out how a sentence "sounds" before I put it on paper. The other is when I'm having a chain of thoughts I'm not enjoying, so I break it with what is probably the equivalent of mental shouting about something else.

[Anonymous No.11805902]

Does anyone else like to read out loud

[Anonymous No.11805913]

>>11804031
Yes, but not when I want to learn.

[Anonymous No.11805927]

>>11804037
>he subvocalize

Way to out yourself as a pleb

[Anonymous No.11805934]

>>11805902
Yes. Poetry works best that way.

[Anonymous No.11805941]

>>11804031
>not having a hybrid of both

[Anonymous No.11805945]

>>11804248
If you ever want to read faster than 40 pages an hour you can't subvocalize

[Anonymous No.11805974]

>>11805902
>Not hiring an orator to read everything out loud for you

[Anonymous No.11806034]

>>11804347
wtf i love anglos nigga

[Anonymous No.11806040]

>>11805902
Yes but I'm Greek

[Anonymous No.11806054]

Do you actually subvocalise all the time? I hope you at least don't subvocalise when you read, this makes you go slow as fuck.

[Anonymous No.11806075]

>>11806054
Reading isn't a race.

[Anonymous No.11806080]

>>11806075
Obviously, but if I'm interested in what I'm reading it's hard to slow myself down to subvocalize.

[Anonymous No.11806086]

>>11804031
Language is the only way humans can think, if you’re not subvocalizes your simply not thinking about anything at all

[Anonymous No.11806103]

I'm a very slow reader. It takes me like 8 hours to read 100 pages. I think I'm cursed.

[Anonymous No.11806109]

>>11806086
I think you meant deeper thoughts or w/e, children raised by animals are capable of problem solving without knowing any language.

[Anonymous No.11806117]

>>11806103
It just means you can enjoy a book longer. Fast reading is a curse.

[Anonymous No.11806355]

>>11806109
They can problem solve on a very basic level, but when children have grown up without language (either due to abuse or neglect), they are never able to fully grasp language beyond a very basic toddler-level speaking ability, they are basically like a smart orangutan. Language is required for any complicated and worthwhile concepts.

[Anonymous No.11806369]

>>11806355
I think the proper way to see it is that language and thought(the unclear associative process that blends into actual unconscious processes) are in a feedback loop with each other, processing the inputs of the senses and returning action. It is all intertwined in a way, and much of the important processing is non-verbal, but without the development of the verbal process, which is also intrinsically tied to socializing, the mind doesn't create the proper setup of feedback loops to generate complex concepts.

[Anonymous No.11806470]

>>11806117
>>11806103
This. It just means you can contemplate on each bit longer.

[Anonymous No.11806511]

>sub·vo·cal·ize
səbˈvōkəˌlīz/Submit
verb
utter (words or sounds) with the lips silently or with barely audible sound, especially when talking to oneself, memorizing something, or reading

Are there really people in this thread that can’t think unless they mouth their thoughts? I get doing it when you encounter an unfamiliar word or want to memorize something, but doing that all the time would look retarded

[Anonymous No.11806528]

>>11806511
No, it's just the voice in your head.

[Anonymous No.11806548]

>>11806528
So essentially everyone in the literature boards feels superior with a misnomer

[Anonymous No.11806578]

>>11806528
That's just inner voice. Not subvocalization.

[Anonymous No.11806630]

>>11806548
The meat portal is also a fucking autist, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11806654]

>>11806630
What was that verbal diarrhea just now sweety?

[Anonymous No.11806657]

>>11804031
No. I've always thought I was weird for it too. I usually have to make myself think in words.
Anyone care to explain?

[Anonymous No.11807050]

>>11806511
I too was confused by this thread until I realized everyone is talking about their inner-voice, as opposed to sub-vocalizing. Sub-vocalizing makes the motions of speech, so everyone saying they do it all the time is claiming to walk around mouthing words to themselves (or muttering like the beautiful autists they are).

[Anonymous No.11807061]

>>11804031
Taken from the NPC-Nabokov thread.

[Anonymous No.11807073]

>>11807061
So what does he think when he reads?

[Anonymous No.11807074]

>>11807061
lol. thinking in images is literal autism

[Anonymous No.11807275]

>>11805945
"Read". What have you retained by just glancing at the words?

[Anonymous No.11807287]

>>11807061
so this guy never even truly woke up

[Anonymous No.11807626]

>>11805974
>Not being an orator so you can borrow your client's books

[Anonymous No.11807634]

>>11806040
Is that common among you olive eaters?

[Anonymous No.11807649]

>>11804031
I shift between doing it and not doing it. Sometimes I will suddenly think, "oh wait, I'm not subvocalizing right now", and then I'll have an inner monologue for 30 minutes

[Anonymous No.11807819]

>>11804338
This is the true chad way.

[Anonymous No.11807824]

>>11804910
>laying in bed at the end of the day
>occasional fits of laughter take over when I think of something funny
The CIA listening through my phone probably think I'm a weirdo

[Anonymous No.11808016]

>>11807819
Especially if you do it in public

[Anonymous No.11808037]

>>11804031
I honestly can't think in any other way. It's even weirder because I don't have a preference for the language I do it in so half of the time I think in english and the other in my native language.

[Anonymous No.11808049]

>>11808037
The only caption on that photo should be ‘derp’

[Anonymous No.11808053]

>>11805788
Dubsposting makes me feel good

[Anonymous No.11808055]

>>11804066
I do it too. It's hell. My focus is absurdly bad. I am a very anxious person too like someone else said.

[Anonymous No.11808098]

>>11804031
what is it when you visualize something and have a commentary about it at the same time? That's how I solve mechanical problems. Like if I have to try to make parts fit, I imagine them bumping into each other, and I go, "hmmm I dont know that doesn't work..."

Reading very visual novels can get me distracted easily, as I tend to have the book's running narrative going, and my own comments on all the sweet things I'm imagining. doesn't happen in comic books.

>I have also been told that visualizing 3-d objects in space very well in your mind might be a dyslexia thing? cus I'm pretty sure I have that.

[Anonymous No.11808121]

>>11806086
that's not true. babies think. they want an apple, but dont know the word for it. they know it is sweet, but not what "sweet" is. They hear the word "apple" then are given an apple, you make the connection that the thing you see and know as a thing you like and eat has a name that you can yell to get more of. at the age of two every other word you ask is 'why" mostly cus they are little shits, but aslo to get new words for all these concepts and ideas you have but dont have words for yet. but mostly to be annoying and get human engagement cus all children are narcissists because they require constant help to do literally anything.

>this is such a basic concept that this must be a troll attempt by a butt blasted brain talker.

[Anonymous No.11808153]

>>11804031
How to Chad Cerebration?

[Anonymous No.11808228]

I feel then I try to distill into words.

Thank god I have a big vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.11808277]

>>11805531
>How come asians weren't so shit then, they lived in fucking island,


>brainlet.jpg

[Anonymous No.11808280]

>>11804031
Incessantly and it is dreadful curse which will some day drive me to suicide.

[Anonymous No.11808298]

>>11805518
Because they can't fake the tests anymore.

[Anonymous No.11808303]

>>11806080
>If food is tasty I can't gold myelf down from stuffing it in my mouth in a speak that I can't taste it anymore let alone pre-digest properly
That's a sign of a fucked up mind, not someone cherishing a book or food. Speedreeding is the "skill" of brainlets.

[Anonymous No.11808309]

>>11805477
Yeah fuck this shit
I have dialogues with people while laying in bed, I'll stare at the ceiling until 4am talking to people in my head
I'm not a schizo

[Anonymous No.11808317]

>>11808121
Animals can "think" as well, but that's not what we mean when we are talking about actual human thought. "I hungry" is not the same kind of thought as "I am hungry, therefore I am?".

[Anonymous No.11808361]

>anons proudly admitting they only think in sensations like animals
must be a lot of americans itt

[Anonymous No.11808371]

>>11804031
Chad has solved noughts and crosses forever

[Anonymous No.11808417]

>>11804031
Everyone subvocalises when they read. If you don't, you are not reading. There have been many "speedreading" techniques around and they all lower comprehension.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20000011599.pdf

[Anonymous No.11808519]

>>11804066
I found that listening intently to music can quell it, getting hammered also does the trick, but is obviously not a good solution.

[Anonymous No.11808610]

>>11804031
I decided to subvocalise when reading, because I thought it was a good idea.
I generally don't have an internal voice in my head.

[Anonymous No.11808651]

>>11805028
>man can only ascend by silencing his internal voice
>especially the voice which tells you not to senselessly sacrifice people to the gods

[Anonymous No.11808809]

I subvocalise so hard that sometimes I accidentally talk out loud to myself and then literally everyone around me now knows my thoughts. Once I was at Wal-Mart and realized I was muttering while looking at towels that some chick near me looked like the porn star Sasha Foxxx and she heard me and awkwardly fucked off.

[Anonymous No.11809160]

>>11804031
if you're like the virgin in this picture look up image streaming and do it regularly

[Anonymous No.11809162]

>dude I have really good ideas in my head, I just can't express them
>trust me dude they're not just basic emotions that seem important in my head but are shit written out

[Anonymous No.11809360]

>>11804031
I don't usually subvocalize but I find that when I force myself to, I can express myself a lot better.

[Anonymous No.11809363]

>>11809162
This triggered me.

[Anonymous No.11809396]

>>11804031
>languagelets coping
linguistic ability is directly tied to the complexity and richness of thought. literally impossible to think without language.

[Anonymous No.11809418]

>>11809162
>i have to narrate how i build an ikea nightstand

[Anonymous No.11809448]

>>11809396
>literally impossible to think without language.

[Anonymous No.11809475]

>>11804031
Subvocalization makes you programmable. Heck, I started visualizing things after reading about the map model of thinking - getting rid of the STEM entity possessing me.

[Anonymous No.11809502]

>>11809448
I see your non-attempt at an answer and raise you a genuine consideration: Remove the language processing from man and see what you have left.

[Anonymous No.11809543]

>>11809502
You only need language for I/O.
If you think in language you are artificially limiting yourself.

[Anonymous No.11809604]

>>11804066
>My internal monologue essentially never stops
The kind of thoughtlet that uses the NPC meme, everyone

[Anonymous No.11809611]

>>11809543
I realised this kind of becomes a moot point, this shit is unprovable. Good day.

[Anonymous No.11809613]

>>11809448
Language is more than words.

[Anonymous No.11809634]

>>11809613
if you stretch language to include any conceptual or visual thought, but at that point we are not talking about subvocalizing so it's irrelevant to this thread

[Anonymous No.11809975]

>>11808303
>skill
Your phrasing not mine. Anyway I'm reading at a pace that lets me digest and enjoy the text properly. Who the fuck cares how fast it is in comparison to other people. It just happens to be faster than subvocalizing. What are you going to do, bitch that world doesn't toe your arbitrary line?

[Anonymous No.11810120]

>>11809975
Your comprehension is evolutionary linked to subvocalizing. The less you subvoc the less you understand, that's simply how it is. That's why speedreeders only get like 60% comprehension, let alone get an new insights out of it as that requires your brain to actually think and "voice" it. While you might be able to enjoy simple entertainment lit this way, you will not be able to actually get anything from proper lit. Try reading Plato in speedrun and you will be just the same brainlet later one, at best able to quote some of the thoughts of Plato without deeper understanding. Nothing personal, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.11810154]

>>11810120
>evolutionary linked
heh
>speedrun
I'm reading at a pace that's comfortable to me. Being embarrassed how slow you are and getting a superiority complex as a result is retarded. You should be happy you can enjoy a book longer.

[Anonymous No.11810172]

>>11810154
I'm reading 400wpm at a leisure speed, 200wm being average. Far from needing to be embarassed like those priing themselves in animalistic thinking and thinking that stimuli based reaction speed is comparable to higher thought.

I am simply telling you that you would do better in actually slowing your gluttony down.

[Anonymous No.11810184]

>>11810172
>priding themselves
Kindly point me to quote that supports your baseless claim or fuck off. I think you misread my posts.

[Anonymous No.11810194]

Being able to clearly express your thoughts using words is literally the #1 ability a writer requires.

[Anonymous No.11810493]

>>11807050
It's called that because of the tiny muscle movements in your throat when you consciously think of the pronunciation of the sentences you read. You can't feel them and it's not something you can stop either, I think

[Anonymous No.11810560]

i kept hearing about this and thought it meant fully retarded murmuring to yourself, but it just means thinking in language? i feel like i'm fucking choking how do you not do that i've done it my whole life i thought everybody did it

[Anonymous No.11810639]

Anyone else has internal dialogue instead of monologue? I'm no schizo, but my mental speech is delivered as a conversation, and my mind even refers to myself as "we".

[Anonymous No.11810816]

I subvocalize when reading English, but I'm starting to think that's because English is actually my second language. I first learned how to read and write in Japanese, which is a language that has the added bonus of being written partly in Chinese characters. Often I can just scan some Japanese text, perceiving the Chinese characters as images, and quickly make sense of the writing.

[Anonymous No.11810840]

>>11804031
Why is this the new meme? It's starting to come to /his/ as well.

[Anonymous No.11810861]

>>11810840
Most people are boring, not exactly breaking news.

[Anonymous No.11810879]

>>11810816
German here, it depends what you read as humans usually only scan the first and last letters of a word plus lenght to "get it" not actually really reading it in full. Similar to your eyes "autofilling" in everything outside the center without you getting the faked envoirement. Meanwhile a foreign language often, even for adcanced speaker, has uncommon words or letter-combinations which don't allow for this auto pilot. But I would still say that I subvoc in german, just at a far quicker speed and more subtle, it's more like a soft breath of the first letters than actually "speaking" them in my mind, matching the method of native reading. But not sure how that behaves in a language in which words are symbols, not seperate letters.

[Anonymous No.11810892]

>>11804031
Yes, but it's only screams.

[Anonymous No.11810904]

>>11810560
"Inner voice" is just thinking in language. "Subvocalization" is a stronger invocation of your inner voice where some people may even subtly move their muscles as if to speak, or even mutter under their breath.