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I'm about halfway thru pic related and it's bretty gud, but what solutions/alternatives do they proscribe?

>> No.11789401

>>11789369
They want to speed up the collapse of capitalism in order to realise the utopia. This can only lead to a biopolitical nightmare, a centralised control of minds and bodies. The emancipatory potential of technology is still to be realised, and even if it is, the state remains a problem, as does property. These latter are hurdles to emancipation, which technology has no capacity to solve, against all the vulgar optimistic clap-trap about the general intellect, new identities and social relations etc. The political is the political.

>> No.11789402

how are they fomenting revolution if they are on every best seller list, being shilled by every jewish controlled neoliberal rag, and raking in thousands of dollars a month in patreon money a month completely unimpeded?

more like Chapo's guide to being an establishment shill lol

>> No.11789432

Apathetic leftism and irony. Aka usueless garbo

>> No.11789438

>>11789369
Some of their analysis is on point, but overall they're still small-minded bugmen. They miss some truths because they'd rather not stray too much from the mainstream narratives.
Nice try, but not good enough.

>> No.11789447

>>11789438
it's funny, listening to that one episode where they make pretend to truly be clueless as to why the usa zog establishment wants war with Iran

>> No.11789450

>>11789369
Hang yourself.

>> No.11790350

>>11789402
>>11789401
>>11789432
>>11789450
have any of you actually read the book?

>> No.11790375

>>11790350
No need to read it since it contains no verifiable statements at all.

>> No.11790383

>>11790375
how do you know that unless you read it?

>> No.11790386

>>11790350
What is their main thesis?

>> No.11790391

>>11790375
how can you verify that without reading it

>> No.11790406

>>11790386
idk I haven't read it. I was just wondering if the people who were criticizing it had.

;^)

>> No.11790425

>>11790375
Based

>> No.11790447

>>11789401
>They want to speed up the collapse of capitalism in order to realise the utopia.
probably the dumbest "analysis" yet, the people who are trying to get healthcare for everyone are trying to speed up the collapse of capitalism

>> No.11790481

>>11790447
Some American leftists believe capitalism is pregnant with it's own demise.

>> No.11790490

>>11789369
is it only about american politics or is it worth reading for a europenis?

>> No.11790502
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11790502

Here are a couple of excerpts from their book.

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>>11790502

>> No.11790521

>>11789402
>dodges the point with ninja like precision

>> No.11790522

>>11790502
atrocious

>> No.11790536

>>11790509
>>11790502
based and redpilled!

>> No.11790550

>>11790509
>a preambular quote from a popular and recent film
Into the fucking TRASH it goes.

>> No.11790573

america is irredeemable and now running on brute tard strength alone

>> No.11790747

>>11790502
>>11790509
Jeez. Like a lot of comedy that comes from that side, the jokes are drowned out by the long winded attempts to "educate" me. IT probably wouldn't be so bad if the jokes were any good.
this book makes the late night comedians they rag on look like masters of the craft.

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>>11789369

They don't.
Chapo's pretty open about being kinda useless. They've never done/called for any praxis besides shitposting, buying their book, or listening to their podcast. They're entertainment. Leftist entertainment, but entertainment nonetheless.

>> No.11790777

>>11790760
can you recommend me any good right wing comedians, friendo?

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11790791

>>11790777

Nice trips
Nah, I'm a leftist and chapo fan. I listen to them because I think they're funny and outrage feels good sometimes. Don't know any right-wing comedians. Wouldn't want to know any anyway.

>> No.11790799

>>11789369
Rapist Frat House? But why?

>> No.11790841

>>11790777
Norm Macdonald
Bill Burr kinda
Pretty much any black comedian from the last 20 years that isn't Dave Chapelle
As a rule of thumb though, I wouldn't limit yourself to finding comedy that just appeals to your political ideas. Putting politics into comedy is often a poison that renders it terminally unfunny. Of course comedians do have political views but a truly great comedian doesn't make political comedy, he just makes comedy.

>> No.11790861

>>11790747
>this book makes the late night comedians they rag on look like masters of the craft.

The Chapo book reminds me of the Daily Show book that was published in 2004. That book was far wittier.

>> No.11790924

>>11789369
Perhaps you will discover this if you keep reading? Report back to us once you're done, I am interested to hear your summary.

>> No.11791137

>>11790481
believing that capitalism will cause its own demise isn't the same as trying to speed it up

>> No.11791151

>>11790502
>>11790509
what are you reading this in, it looks nice?

>> No.11791209

>>11791151
EPUBReader for Firefox

>> No.11791771

>>11789401
how the hell do you figure they belong to some kind of accelerationists tendency. they explicitly advocate policy that is intended as a alternative to neoliberalism not intensifying it to the brink. Chapo trap house doesn't really have coherent political ideology but insofar as there is a semblance of one it doesnt depart far from new deal liberalism, the Sander's Democratic Socialism or Corbynism they've thrown themselves behind doesnt depart far from that.

>> No.11791774

>>11790406
I haven't cut off my dick either but I can somehow tell that if I did it wouldn't be a good thing. amazing how that works.

>> No.11791781

>>11790841
agreed, politics + comedy = snark which is for faggots and faggots only

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>>11790502
>>11790509
>that font

>> No.11791784

>>11790502
>Ah yes social democracy will save america from fascism, just like saved Eur-

Oh wait

>> No.11791805

>>11791771
they aren't really anti-capitalist, what they ultimately suggest is just socializing part of the profits generated by capitalism. Theyve struggled to put forward a tenable alternative and what theyve come up with is merely a reversion to new dealism more or less and without actually having dealt with why it didnt last to begin with.

>> No.11791808

>>11790386
liberalism is to weak to stop fascism. Communism will defeat both liberalism and fascism, which is ironic because communism was defeated by liberalism, so by the transitive property, fascism will defeat communism

>> No.11791818

>>11789369
Assless chap house is the gayest thing ever and you're a cumguzzling queer for buying their shit.

>> No.11792306

They're too comfy in their circlejerk of dumb "revolutionary" teenage fans to be able to think properly.
For example, they ignore the issues of demography and traditional values. Right wingers are just "racist assholes".
It ends up being a soiboy snark fest, fueled by the typical leftist naivety and resentment.

>> No.11792440

>chapo trap house

Imagine of these nerds went close to a real "trap house". They would try to walk by as fast as possible, eyes glued to the ground and praying.

>> No.11792461

>>11789438
>he bought the meme book.
Yikes

>> No.11792521

>>11792461
>bought
https://thepiratebay.org/search/chapo%20guide/0/99/0

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>>11790502
>>11790509
Somehow manages to be even worse than their retarded podcast, amazing.

>> No.11792662

>>11790509
Leftists don't actually read right wing books.
No shit.

>> No.11792675

>>11790573
Lmao good comment

>> No.11792686

>>11790550
>when he sees the title "no country for old men" he thinks of the movie adaptation and not the book

please leave

>> No.11792721

>>11792306
>Right wingers are just "racist assholes".
this is true tho

>> No.11792774

>>11790509
So essentially strawmanning and dividing all positions on the political spectrum into categories of hipsters and "aesthetics" while claiming the superiority of their own brand of hipsterdom and aesthetic.

Why can't lazy young people who for some reason use various aspects of culture for the sole purpose of social currency just stick to pop music? Why does every retard pretend to be interested in politics and pop-philosophy now? Can't we just bring back scensterdom to music?

This pop-politics timeline that permeates all of our lives is the worst timeline. So fucking tiring.

>> No.11792811

>>11792774
Even for this sort of thing, it seems especially lazy. Much funnier people have been bashing fundies for decades, and these guys aren't half as clever as Chesterton (even if the fake quotes did get a giggle out me).

>> No.11792826

>>11792721
>this is true tho
Spoken like true pseud. If you can't even understand the opposing position, your political opinion is fucking worthless.

>> No.11792855

>>11792826
the "opposing position" is layers and layers of masturbatory language whose sole function is to kinda hide the racist (sexist, homophobic etc) assholery it's all in service of

>> No.11792856

>>11792855
>the "opposing position" is layers and layers of masturbatory language whose sole function is to kinda hide the racist (sexist, homophobic etc) assholery it's all in service of
So just like Marxism then.

>> No.11792872

>>11792855
Whoa, so this is the power of reddit intellectualism.

>> No.11792901

>>11790375
based and redpilled

>> No.11792946

>>11790509
>>11790502
yikes

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>>11792856
>>11792872
KEKISTAN REPRESENT!

>> No.11793043

>>11792855
>>the "opposing position" is layers and layers of masturbatory language whose sole function is to kinda hide the racist (sexist, homophobic etc) assholery it's all in service of
You say that like racism is an indefensible evil and not a tradition with 5,000 years of history to support it? Surely institutions as old as that deserve some more substantial analysis.

>> No.11793823

>>11789401
someone has been reading focault

>> No.11793901

>>11792855
But that's a complete tautology given your own definitions of racism and sexism.

>Not supporting radical change in support of racial/sexual equality regardless of the consequences is motivated by [Not supporting radical change in support of racial/sexual equality regardless of the consequences]ism

>> No.11793907

>>11789369

They have no solution, only half-funny analysis.

>> No.11794030

>>11792855
>using assholery unironically

Log off of life

>> No.11794048

>>11793901
that's why it's a cover, because if you strip it down like you did it gives the game away
his point was that they're unfairly portraying the rich conservative intellectual tradition as "being a racist asshole", my point is that it's the underlying impetus of it
>>11794030
you fucking retard, it was used because he used the words "racist asshole" in his post
so yes, in a way I was mocking him

>> No.11794066

>>11789369
"Alternatives" is a weird way tp put it, they're reformist DemSocs, the alternative is revive the left in the USA so people can advocate for themselves.

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>>11789369
>Chapo Trap House Manifesto

Is this thread left wing version of that alt right book written by one of the Daily Shoah guys published by Arktos? Who reads these kinds of trash

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>>11792855

>> No.11794103

>>11789369
Democracy is cancer in any form.

>> No.11794158

>being a marxist in 2018

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>>11790502
>the puritains were uptight about sex

>> No.11794290
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this whole thing reads like it was written by teenagers

>> No.11794294

>>11790502
>>11790509
it's like dennis miller wrote a book but he was a complete fucking retard

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>>11794290
Man what an opus

>> No.11794308

>>11789401
>The emancipatory potential of technology is still to be realised
..... it's right around the corner guys! I swear

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>>11794290
lefties rise up

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11794317

Top goodreads review

>> No.11794461
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11794461

can /lit/ recover

>> No.11794486

>>11791808
but fascism was defeated by both liberalism and communism

>> No.11794517

>>11791808
>Thinking there is any kind of signifcant rise of fascism in 2018

Wew is that what these dorks actually believe? Or are they conflating modern conservatism with that?

>> No.11794524

>>11794517
Fascism is the other which they can justify violence against. It's amorphous character allows them to use it to gain increased dominance of any social space.

>> No.11794546

>>11794517
Yeah, the top socialist reddit intelligentsia is using SJW/MSNBC tier rhetoric. It's kinda sad, but not unexpected. These are mostly very young and impressionable people.

>> No.11794774

>>11794461
This is from the book? What is the point of this section? What point are they making?

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>>11794290
>Why /lit/? Why didn't you stop irony?

>> No.11794803

>>11794774
I was thinking the same thing. That whole passage just seems so aimless.

>> No.11794828

>>11794461
>Literature - it's our name for books that are full of emotion and make-believe as opposed to facts and reason
Is this supposed to be a bad Sam Harris impression or something?

>> No.11794833

>>11794461
>So, yeah, our main takeaway is that George Eliot was a really great writer and probably didn't get the recognition he deserved while he was alive

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>>11794098

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>>11790509
>people paid their parent's money for summarized wikipedia articles
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.11794968

>>11794833
>he
Chapos confirmed pseuds

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>>11794774
>This is from the book?

Yes, its on libgen if you want some laughs

>> No.11796486

>>11794968
I think that was the joke, my friend

>> No.11796533

>>11792686
YeCarthy's books are shit.