One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest: A Redpill from the Past

[Anonymous No.11781977]

It is literally the most reactionary work I've ever seen. Full stop. I get its image as an anti-authoritarian hippy movie, but anyone who's actually seen it can instantly tell that's not what the movie is about.

The entire theme is about the evils of women assuming positions of power via the feminist movement, and the way that that power is intertwined with the Civil Rights movement to emasculate White men. Nurse Ratched sexually humiliates the men, manipulates, connives, etc. And then she uses her pet orderlies (who are all black men btw) to strap down or beat up anyone who challenges her.

The plot ends with the protagonist heroically beating up a woman before getting lobotomized by a Jew doctor.

So what the fuck? Why is a book/movie about women and Jews using blacks to oppress and dominate the creative, bold, freedom-loving impulses of White men so revered by the Left?

[Anonymous No.11781990]

>why

Pseuds gonna pseud

[Anonymous No.11781995]

>>11781977
Woah

[Anonymous No.11782000]

>>11781977
>t. never read the book
Murphy isn't the protag you absolute retard

[Anonymous No.11782002]

>>11781977
okay, this is epic

[Anonymous No.11782006]

>>11782000
I was referring primarily to the movie because that's had the most influence on popular culture and the popular understanding of the work. Please don't troll in my thread and thank you.

Ken Kesey would agree with this analysis btw. He was anti feminist all the way and had a very different idea of politics than your average s*y boy Dem.

[Anonymous No.11782023]

>>11782006
The protag is a mentally ill native american man, only a /tv/ retard would watch the movie and assume it's about white identity. Yes, there is plenty to say about Oedipalization and the figure of the over-protective mother, that is different then the full /pol/ "analysis" you give it.

[Anonymous No.11782032]

Op has treatment resistant autism

[Anonymous No.11782036]

>>11782023
You know what's amazing. Narrators and protagonists aren't always the same thing.

You know what's amazing. You pointing this out as an attempted gotcha literally does not change one (1) thing about my analysis.

You know what's amazing. Saying "/pol/" like an hysterical woman who needs a good horseback ride doesn't automatically win an argument, not even in your mentally ill mind.

>>11782032
Wow great post. Thanks for contributing and making /lit/ a more content oriented board.

[Anonymous No.11782040]

>>11782023
>Yes, there is plenty to say about Oedipalization and the figure of the over-protective mother, that is different then the full /pol/ "analysis" you give it.
So even though Kesey was a noted anti-feminist, this is not reflected in the work because it makes you uncomfortable and would mean that an author disagrees with your shitty politics?

Huh. Funny how that works.

[Anonymous No.11782046]

>>11782040
the quote literally agrees with that analysis, did you read it? tying in white identity and Jews is the shitty political hysteria.
>>11782036
just read the book or go to /tv/

[Anonymous No.11782053]

>>11782046
You're being mean to me. Stop trolling me. It makes me feel uncomfortable that you're doing this. Every time I see this thread gets a reply I stomp around my room and cover my ears for 15 seconds.

[Anonymous No.11782059]

>>11782036
the c o p e is real

[Anonymous No.11782099]

>>11781977
Ok, you're not adding your own baggage to that at all.

[Anonymous No.11782107]

>>11782099
So whenever something disagrees with your politics it's "reading into it".

OK thanks for showing me how that works.

[Anonymous No.11782108]

>>11782053
sorry anon I still love you

[Anonymous No.11782146]

>>11781977
Repost, seen this tripe before and repetition won't make it any more intelligent or even intelligible

[Anonymous No.11782157]

>>11781977
Why do you hate women so much anon?

[Anonymous No.11782167]

>>11782157
I don't. Ken Kesey did :)

[Anonymous No.11782322]

I'm starting to think OP has a point, I'm not gonna buy that whole poltard shit but I really think he's into something

[Anonymous No.11782336]

>>11782322
The meming libs in this thread aside, the OP is nothing revolutionary. The anti feminist strain is something found in any mainstream or otherwise interpretation of the work. The average lit-tard is just that poorly read and that influenced by liberal politics. Pathetic, huh?

There is something to be said for the racial aspect as well. Kesey wasn't like a "racist" or neo nazi or something, but the book emphasizes race from the first lines.

The doctor wasn't a jew as far as i know though.

[Anonymous No.11782338]

>>11781977
t-thats enough anon, come with us

[Anonymous No.11782363]

>>11782336
>There is something to be said for the racial aspect as well. Kesey wasn't like a "racist" or neo nazi or something, but the book emphasizes race from the first lines.
Tell me more about this

[Anonymous No.11782370]

>>11781977
>American race politics
>reactionary
hm..

[Anonymous No.11782384]

>>11782363
Well I'm about to go to sleep, but the first line of the book is about the blackness of the orderlies:

“They're out there. Black boys in white suits up before me to commit sex acts in the hall and get it mopped up before I can catch them.”

[Anonymous No.11782438]

>>11782053
>>11782036
lol

[Anonymous No.11782486]

>>11782363
The orderlies are consistently referred to as black. Keasey did work at an asylum in the 60's, and all the orderlies were most likely black. Probably not too much to read into it, they are usually seen as mechanisms of the institution (literally mechanical) rather than bad or evil.

[Anonymous No.11782493]

>>11782486
First of all, that isn't necessarily true; you're just making an assumption. Second, even if that is true, that falls in line with OP's analysis. An example of you being incorrect: many segregated or recently desegregated hospitals/mental wards had no blacks (or niggers as I like to call them) working there.

[Anonymous No.11782517]

I've only read the title but it has cuck in it

[Anonymous No.11782527]

>>11782493
He literally wrote the book eating acid at an asylum, of course I assume he used his experience to write the book. Why would you assume he worked in a segregated mental ward if he wrote about one with black orderlies? OP didn't even mention black people. Seriously starting to think these /pol/ posters are taybots.

[Anonymous No.11782532]

>>11782527
Everything about this post is either wrong or a misinterpretation of what I said. I don't even think I apparently disagree with some of the things you are saying but fuck is it frustrating to read a post this out of it

[Anonymous No.11782541]

>>11782532
You made a post talking about "that" without clarifying what you were talking about; I'm not surprised if I misinterpreted you, Tay.

[Anonymous No.11782547]

>>11782541
>>11782527
Imagine being schizophrenic enough to call people who you disagree with "Taybots".

But also imagine doing this unironically.

Pretty crazy huh? Take your fucking Clozaril/Prozac cocktail already.

[Anonymous No.11782555]

>>11782547
cope

[Anonymous No.11782582]

>>11782023
>its a native guy observing a white guy so its not about white identity

This is your mind on bluepills

[Anonymous No.11782592]

There was a much better thread about this topic in the past. Mainly because it didn't have leftists saying "Um I don't think so sweaty"

[Anonymous No.11782795]

>>11782592
Link it

[Anonymous No.11782813]

>>11782157
Not op but women are vile. They have poison juices inside of them. Stay pure, my fellow anons. Don’t let them defile you with their juices.

[Anonymous No.11782816]

>>11782795
>>/lit/thread/S11292908

Here you go pham. Be prepared, a lot of excellent redpills being dropped there

[Anonymous No.11782986]

>>11781977
>The entire theme is about the evils of women assuming positions of power via the feminist movement, and the way that that power is intertwined with the Civil Rights movement to emasculate White men.
I almost forgot that chief was white. Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.11783067]

>>11781977
op youve made this thread before and its been equally cringe
go back to high school english class before posting again

[Anonymous No.11783083]

>>11781977
What an interesting take little anon, now take your meds

[Anonymous No.11783136]

>>11782006
>I was referring primarily to the movie
>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature
what do you not understand?

[Anonymous No.11783165]

>>11782592
any attempt to redpill this book is doomed to fail though, because race is irrelevant as the black orderlies are just extensions of the magna mater antagonist. I know Kesey didnt like feminism, but this book is about infantilization of the counter culture. The nurse is the reactionary.

[Anonymous No.11783636]

>>11781977
some of the parts remind me of modern day psych wards, though beatings and abuse don't go on by staff

[Anonymous No.11784051]

Reminder that Sometimes A Great Notion is Kesey's true masterpiece, and one of the greatest American novels
It made a better movie too

[Anonymous No.11784133]

Fag

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.11784372]

Doesn't this evaluation work even better with the book rather than the movie? OP says it's a metaphorical commentary on feminism but let's hypothesize instead that it's a commentary on the progression of Western civilization. In the end, the native has made up his mind and breaks out of the prison of Western liberal democracy, essentially advocating for the earlier crude mode of living over the white man's doom.

I just enjoyed the movie without metaphors but this is fun too.

[Anonymous No.11784383]

>>11781977
the men here are mostly too emasculated to even be aware of the ways in which they are emasculated, so there is little point trying to talk to them about this. And then they wonder why they have problems with women lol

[Anonymous No.11785397]

>>11784383
Are you talking about /lit/ or the characters in the book?

[Anonymous No.11785423]

>>11785397
Not him but it's clear as day he's talking about /lit/. He's probably right too. The "men" on here would rather pretend that an author could never possibly have a right wing streak AT ALL then do some navel gazing about their own feminization.

They are actually that invested in politics as a cornerstone of their masculine identity. It happens when insecure, unassertive men find an ideology that grants them acceptance in their weak state and claims to fight for them - regardless of whether that's true (it's not). It's why you see these slightly deformed pale guys and furries larp as stalinists and talk about the gulags.

[Anonymous No.11785456]

>>11785423
right wing guys do that too. Masculinity is mostly about being able to control your emotions, ie. being stable to outside influences. People call this being stoic, but it isn't some meme of an unfeeling person, it's just a baseline control that for some reason our culture doesnt seem to care about. Everybody just flits about like excitable children.

People always associate it with being assertive, but you can be assertive in feminine ways as well.

[Anonymous No.11785457]

>>11781977
nice conspiracy theory

[Anonymous No.11785464]

>>11785456
>Masculinity is mostly about being able to control your emotions
According to fucking whom. I hate when people make bald assertions like this without realizing the baggage and implications and assumptions it carries

[Anonymous No.11785481]

>>11785464
This is my interpretation of how it works, language is arbitrary and ambiguous so with a vague concept like masculinity there will be a cluster of associated meanings, maybe not even cohering into a sensible whole. However when I think of what differentiates masculine behavior, i think primarily of the ability to remain calm in internal state and in your actions, which is not to say passive, but measured and deliberate.

I think people should value this more.

[Anonymous No.11785513]

>>11785456
>right wing guys do that too
Not as often in aggregate, according to science https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/j5e3z7/gym-bros-more-likely-to-be-right-wing-assholes-science-confirms

[Anonymous No.11785524]

>>11781977
It’s so appreciated by many, including liberals, because it’s more interpreted as being about how society as a whole and psychiatric models of thought are repressive. They gloss over the misogynistic and chauvinistic parts, where Nurse Ratched is so evil not just gender-neutrally but in a specifically warped feminine way seeking to castrate men.

I think Kesey had some valid views. If we can talk about “toxic masculinity” and the sometimes warped ways men abuse women psychologically in relationships, I think it’s also fair to talk of “toxic femininity.” Nurse Ratched is a pretty good (although bitter) representation of a certain type of bitchy castrating woman, a type of female authority figure.

[Anonymous No.11786653]

>>11782036
Cringed and fagpilled

[Anonymous No.11786663]

>>11786653
Don't troll and bully me please. I do get sensitive about these sorts of things and it makes me feel terrible. Just stop. Please.

[Anonymous No.11786805]

>>11781977
Yeah, you do know Kesey lived like one of the most degenerate lives ever fucked up on acid and having gangbangs with 60s sluts and the Hells Angels right?

[Anonymous No.11786874]

>>11786805
Yes, you fucking fag, I am very familiar with Kesey and his lifestyle. Your brainlet ass can't accept that people can have complex and varied ideas because you're a mindless NPC who just watches Blacked.com.

Kesey's love of freewheeling gangbangs is part of what he hates about feminism - that there are women who would seek to put restraints on his treatment of women.

Please never post again I am smarter than you and better than you. It makes me sick having to deal with someone so one dimensional and STUPID

[Anonymous No.11786902]

>>11786663
*hugs* Hey friend, the stupid insults and stuff are usually coming from people who are really insecure, so they're lashing out because that's all they know. Others are just closedminded and use those insults to protect their worldview. There's lots of reasons, but it's almost always something to do with them, not you.

[Anonymous No.11786909]

>>11786663
>>11786902
I remember being 8 years old and being hurt by the bullies on /lit/, too. There there, the pain will go away when you get older.

[Anonymous No.11786951]

>>11786874
Bretty gud b8, I r8 it 8/8

[Anonymous No.11786960]

>>11782036
Yikes, imagine drinking this much /pol/ kool-aid

[Anonymous No.11786966]

>>11786960
Yeah man, only people on pol believe that the narrator and protagonist aren't necessarily the same person

...?

[Anonymous No.11786972]

>>11785423
50% of the “men” on /lit/ have never had sex. You’re expecting them to have rational ideas about women and sex without ever experiencing it outside of a novel.

[Anonymous No.11787029]

The character's individuality is stamped down. His was an individuality that contained the spirit of life, and it's considered troublesome because it's too chaotic and unpredictable.

Instead of making people expedient to the system, we need to be accommodating. People's differences should not be stamped out. We should accept each other for who we are, and not simply cast aside, or worse, force conformity upon, the people who don't seem to fit in our society or our worldview.

This is pretty antithetical to the sort of stuff you find over at /pol/. Fascism doesn't tolerate unpredictability, it's regimented and hierarchical, and it has to actively lobotomize the parts of society that it can't control. And racism, antisemitism, and bigotry also stem from a fear of differences.

[Anonymous No.11787136]

>>11787029
>This is pretty antithetical to the sort of stuff you find over at /pol/. Fascism doesn't tolerate unpredictability
Wrong on both counts. Fascism as an ideology was predicated on flexibility. It had certain goals in mind, but it was more than willing to use a variety of means to get there, e.g., economic self sufficiency and literally any kind of economic model. Fascist leaders also negotiated among many different groups in a society and a major tenant was respecting traditional structures.

Also if you visit pol right now you wouldn't exactly find a very serious place. It's silly and fun and the posters are diverse.

[Anonymous No.11787149]

>>11781977
I love how we're now so polarized that different ideological groups extract opposite meanings from the same source material all the time. I'm so fucking happy to be born in this era, to be alive to see what's coming. Interesting times for sure

[Anonymous No.11787165]

>>11787149
In Kesey's case it's just because he was a different kind of political thinker. He wasn't exactly a leftist, at least not in the sense that he would vote in an American election. But he wasn't a person who saw a conflict with criticizing psychiatry, women, feminism, and restricting freedom in the same breath.

If liberals were like this today I'd be all for it. I like the kind of worldview he espoused. Libs today are fucking cancer.

[Anonymous No.11787273]

>>11785524
You spelled androgynistic wrong.

[Anonymous No.11787549]

>>11781977
Finally somebody else who sees the injustice perpetrated against this 38 year old character who went to jail for the statutory rape of a 15 year old, charming and virile though he may be his wit and chutzpah are no match for the coldly calculating establishment to maintain the status quo by any and all methods at its disposal.

[Anonymous No.11788766]

>>11782023
Isn't the ending that the protagonist finally escapes, while mcmurphy offers his life.

That in itself could reasonably be conceived as an affirmation of the theme described by OP - just remove the 'white men' for men.

[Anonymous No.11789033]

Thanks fellow NPCs, your political arguments in this thread were enough for me to steal the book on my Russian library website.

Got my reading for the night.

[Anonymous No.11789191]

/lit/ is dead

-Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.11789274]

>>11789191
We've been accelerating the process of its death and now, we can witness /lit/ being reborn as futuristic, metamodern neo-/lit/: the body-without-organs-ian, rhizomatic far-right christian superpower.

Embrace the infinity.

[Anonymous No.11789477]

I think it's more generally about anti-behaviorism and asserting that there's a free human spirit. I have a lefty friend who likes both the movie and the book, but he will swear it is about absolutely nothing deeper than a commentary on treatment of mental health patients. He's fucking retarded and doesn't want to face the music. I mean, while I think you're too blunt OP by explicitly saying it's against jews and feminism and about the plight of modern white people etc, you're right at least in that it FEELS pretty reactionary in a lot of ways. You could easily say it's pro-masculinity at any rate.

recently I've been thinking about one flew a lot in relation to terry davis. He chose freedom and chose to not be "castrated", in his words. some people say that terry should have been forced to get 'help'. but they only cared about terry in a materialistic way; like as long as he was drugged up and 'happy', that's good enough for them. but why not just go ahead and give him a lobotomy? that way he would stop saying nigger all the time too.

[Anonymous No.11789523]

>>11789477
isn't the breaking point of the novel when the main character realizes that everyone else could literally stand up and leave the facility but they choose not to because of various anxieties that the head sister uses to make them believe that she knows what's good for them,

the main character brings life, joy and whores into the silent corridors, that should make the readier ask the question of "when was the last time I did similar things instead of having my head up my ass and posting shitty feminism threads on an anonymous anime image board"

[Anonymous No.11789537]

>>11787273
Whoa dude that’s so deep. Please blow my mind further by describing what you mean.

[Anonymous No.11790450]

One scene I really enjoyed from the book was hardings metaphor of the big pointing finger of society. I find myself using that phrase quite a bit. He says when talking to Murphy that he thought everyone went crazy because of the big finger but he realized there is another way to lose it. Almost like instead of the finger pointing down it is pointing up. Murphy holds himself responsible for bringing the life back into all these oppressed males. He is overly willing to sacrifice himself for the cause too. Eventually all this pressure and expectation gets the better of him.

It’s interesting because if you are a beta male then people talk down on you and that is supposed to change you. If you are an alpha then people will praise you and that influences you to act within an expected form. Both of them are controlled by society and can feel arguably as much pressure as the other.