NPCs and the death of the literary urban environment

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NPCs and the death of the literary urban environment Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:18:04 2018 No.11765114 [Reply] [Original]

>New York has been my home for more than forty years, from the year after the city’s supposed nadir in 1975, when it nearly went bankrupt. I have seen all the periods of boom and bust since, almost all of them related to the “paper economy” of finance and real estate speculation that took over the city long before it did the rest of the nation. But I have never seen what is going on now: the systematic, wholesale transformation of New York into a reserve of the obscenely wealthy and the barely here—a place increasingly devoid of the idiosyncrasy, the complexity, the opportunity, and the roiling excitement that make a city great.

>As New York enters the third decade of the twenty-first century, it is in imminent danger of becoming something it has never been before: unremarkable. It is approaching a state where it is no longer a significant cultural entity but the world’s largest gated community, with a few cupcake shops here and there. For the first time in its history, New York is, well,boring.

>This is not some new phenomenon but a cancer that’s been metastasizing on the city for decades now. And what’s happening to New York now—what’s already happened to most of Manhattan, its core—is happening in every affluent American city. San Francisco is overrun by tech conjurers who are rapidly annihilating its remarkable diversity; they swarm in and out of the metropolis in specially chartered buses to work in Silicon Valley, using the city itself as a gigantic bed-and-breakfast. Boston, which used to be a city of a thousand nooks and crannies, back-alley restaurants and shops, dive bars and ice cream parlors hidden under its elevated, is now one long, monotonous wall of modern skyscraper. In Washington, an army of cranes has transformed the city in recent years, smoothing out all that was real and organic into a town of mausoleums for the Trump crowd to revel in.

>By trying to improve our cities, we have only succeeded in making them empty simulacra of what was. To bring this about we have signed on to political scams and mindless development schemes that are so exclusive they are more destructive than all they were supposed to improve. The urban crisis of affluence exemplifies our wider crisis: we now live in an America where we believe that we no longer have any ability to control the systems we live under.

https://harpers.org/archive/2018/07/the-death-of-new-york-city-gentrification/

Large American and European cities are now majority-NPC zones, but urban environments will remain a crucial characteristic for any literature that claims to say anything about modernity. Where can that experience still be had?

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:19:53 2018 No.11765122
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It's cultural terraforming.

The platonic bugman isn't simply a fully assimilated workerdrone for globohomocorp... He is a man who never had the need to change in order to assimilate to globohomocorp.

C-sectioned into a sterile environment by credentialised alien medical personnel and raised by strivers who had incubated what they intended to be a narcissistic clone of themselves. Rather than the mirror of self affirmation his parents intended to create, they inadvertently brought something far worse into this world. Something... Empty. Something with the smallest possible soul, which occupies the smallest possible corner of the cavernous soul-space inherent to a man with his inherited high IQ that was intended to be tempered by an ethnocultural heritage of altruistic romanticism.

His caretakers' empty loveless platitudes, persistent physical and emotional absences, and fanatical striver dedication to relentless "inclusiveness" and "efficiency" resulted in the utter starvation of the child's solitary soul fragment.

An unclaimed heritage makes its presence felt through a haunting melancholy that propels a fully-souled individual to seek it out, at any price. A weaker-souled individual still feels the call, but weakly... It is easy to drown out with drugs, drink, and other forms of desensitization.

The platonic bugman hears none of this. His soul has been shrunken to a tiny characterless bead that serves only as a mechanically animating force- and nothing more.

The fullest soul sings like wind through the veins of heroes. But the bugman's blood is naught but iron, plasma, and carbon dioxide. Simple elements. Physical blood pumped rhythmically through tissue that is warm, yet remains lifeless.

Completely bereft of emotional, sociocultural and memetic antibodies, his body and mind are fully colonized by the roaming metabacterial influences of the managerialist mileu. There is an Amazon Alexa in his soul cavern.

Inverted panopticon: A ring of corpogovernmentally programmed thought police surrounding a lone man in a cell. But there is no cell, because the man is incapable of considering any alternative.
He is tweeting, and nomming on organic granola.
He am become globohomo, monocultural fagger of worlds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:20:39 2018 No.11765128 Nowhere that is neoliberalisms endgame

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:24:46 2018 No.11765152 >>11765122 >The platonic bugman Its hard to keep reading

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:25:39 2018 No.11765158
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>>11765152
just watch Neil de Grasse tyson videos and post on Reddit until the end of fucking time

Shit like this is produced by bourgeois think tanks to make the middle class complacent while the rich steals all their fucking money and uses literal slaves in the third world to make their trendy glitter iPhone cases.

Go sit in a park with your sweetie! (DON'T HAVE ONE, ALL SOCIAL RELATIONS HAVE DEGENERATED TO ORGYPORGY PROLEFEED NIGHTMARE)

Take Facebook tweet selfies of your stupid bullshit! (ENDLESSLY FOCUS ON DAY-TO-DAY PETTY SOCIALIZING AND LASCHIAN NARCISSISTIC GRANDSTANDING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ALL HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO LITERALLY PREHISTORICAL LEVELS OF HYPERGAMY IN A WHIRLING GYRE OF MEANINGLESS TINDER FACEFUCKING FOR THE SELECT FEW AND ELLIOT RODGER RESENTMENT FOR THE REST)

Consume trendy garbage and eat cool food :P!!!! (LITERALLY CHINESE NIGGER SLAVES MADE YOUR STUPID BULLSHIT "THINKGEEK.COM" BAUBLES AND DESIGNER STRETCHPANTS, IN ENDLESS WASTELANDS THAT RESEMBLE THE FACTORIES OF INDUSTRIAL ENGLAND MARX WROTE ABOUT IN COMPLETE HORROR)

These people are trying to thought control you into passively reclining and injecting low-effort Mythbusters reddit filth into your brain and ignoring the dull ache of meaninglessness and consumerist overstimulation from inhaling high fructose corn syrup and salt all fucking day

"Optimistic nihilism" is what rich faggots pay slightly less rich faggots to convince lumpenproles to think they're experiencing when they work in a cubicle for 45 years to finance a lifestyle of watching proles modify Nerf guns and design "man caves". Turn off the Youtube and develop some tastes and moral preferences taht an algorithm designed by Amazon can't predict and use to predict your entire life befoer you've evn lived it you peice of fucking shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:27:51 2018 No.11765171 >>11765158 Why would Plato respect any of those options?

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:28:06 2018 No.11765172

Aside from the NPC meme, the problem lies with Modernity. The transformation of a cultural megalopolis to a wasted pandemonian hell exclusive only to the super rich derives the city of any care for delving in creative content. These fucks don’t give a shit about reading Fichte, Schelling and Jacobi. It’s hard to imagine that someone like, say, Thomas Pynchon came from New York.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:29:19 2018 No.11765179 >>11765114 >In Washington, an army of cranes has transformed the city in recent years, smoothing out all that was real and organic into a town of mausoleums for the Trump crowd to revel in >this planned community was super organic guys

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:29:36 2018 No.11765183 >>11765172 the rich are not the problem senpai. it runs much deeper

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:29:50 2018 No.11765184 >>11765122 usually deeply dislike this sort of thing, but this isn't so bad. instead of tryign to be woke you should try to tell a story sometime

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:32:16 2018 No.11765197 >>11765179 It's a shitty metaphor, but in the last five years DC has completely transformed—not for Trump, but by all the Obama-loving NPCs that opened food trucks and weren't on the list for Smith Point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:33:19 2018 No.11765205 >>11765197 are you robert mariani

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:33:22 2018 No.11765206 It's not just New York, it's going around everywhere. I think it comes from a lack of courage. Probably really comes from a lack of love (how can there be courage without love?), which religion alone can solve.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:34:39 2018 No.11765210
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>>11765114
I can’t see this as anything more than stupid romanticism. What is it that made urban life so enjoyable before this century?
I can’t understand this belief that life in the great metropolises has ever been anything different than commuting to and from one’s job, with periodic stops in shops and restaurants. Cities have always been empty of any aspect of solid social interaction. Hell, the author says he lived in NY in the 70s and 80s. How can he pretend it was anything but a violent shithole, full of drug addicts and gangs?

Cities are the quintessential space for NPCs, simply because everyone is anonymous and lacks individuality in such monstrous conglomerations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:35:30 2018 No.11765213 >>11765205 No, but I just looked up who that is and I vaguely remember reading one his articles maybe a year ago—any of the Jacobite stuff worth checking out?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:36:16 2018 No.11765217 Based /lit/ is truly the most interesting place on the internet

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:37:06 2018 No.11765227 >>11765122 Good shit, anon Arrogant and pretentious, but good nonetheless

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:38:21 2018 No.11765232 Urban areas are fucking toast culturally lets be real. No amount of socialism is saving those garbage heaps from being interesting again

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:40:57 2018 No.11765249 >ever living in the city

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:43:00 2018 No.11765254 >>11765213 Yeah. Before he made his twitter private I remember seeing him bitch a lot about DC/Northern Virginia Obamaites, which is why I asked.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:47:35 2018 No.11765281
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>>11765114
We also need to discuss 'travel.' What was once an opportunity to gain fuel for artistic fire is now an exercise in simulation navigation. There is no 'authentic' Morocco for Americans and Europeans to visit any longer—the hordes of con men bothering you have been around for as long as anyone can remember—them and that group of boomers from Stuttgart ARE authentic Marrakech. Take your instagram and leave; there's nothing else for you. Go back home and add a filter to your memories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:21:50 2018 No.11765411 >>11765262 that's been tried several times already

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:32:48 2018 No.11765458

>>11765210
>I can’t understand this belief that life in the great metropolises has ever been anything different than commuting to and from one’s job, with periodic stops in shops and restaurants. Cities have always been empty of any aspect of solid social interaction.
You can't honestly be this stupid, yes? That or you're from the middle of nowhere and think Houston is the type of city the article refers to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:51:22 2018 No.11765542 >>11765458 houston may unironically be better at this point

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:58:53 2018 No.11765577

Liberals were fine with decimating Catholic neighborhoods and flooding our inner cities with violent, low IQ mystery meat. Can't remember the WASPs complaining when Philadelphia was ethnically cleansed of micks and Ities, can't remember the kikes getting bent out of shape when federally funded negro crack dens were established in poletown.

Yeah, gentrification is repulsive; I feel sick whenever I see bright pastel colors and restaurants with puns in their name. But so far it's the only solution liberals will tolerate to the destruction that desegregation and globalization have wrought. Don't like it? Want to see some more "flavor" on your morning coffee run? Maybe you shouldn't have ruined every neighborhood and school district your prissy little faggot hands could touch.

In post-MLK american cities, it's either favelas or Starbucks. Thank the Democratic party if you have a problem

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>>11765458
I really can’t see it anon. Can you give examples of things that make people’s lives better in metropolises?
I can’t see how Vienna in the 1900s, Paris in the 20s and NY in the 60s were anything but sleeping and working places for anonymous masses that couldn’t participate in the very small cultural circles of those places
The only difference of today’s cities from those places is that we don’t have any worthwhile cultural production, but that’s an unrelated problem

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:22:03 2018 No.11765690 It's not NPCs, it's landlords and capital. The same thing is happening in London and Paris: weirdos can't afford to rent a room there anymore, so the whole city get inhabited by boring businessmen in suits and their shallow consumerist children.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:29:50 2018 No.11765725 >>11765114 Modern American Literature is a creation of the CIA, dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:41:32 2018 No.11765782 >>11765577 pasta?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:13:41 2018 No.11765941 >>11765690 too much money really isnt the problem. or it's one of many. things are much worse than just 'gentrification.' >>11765725 oh yeah?

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:15:07 2018 No.11765946

>>11765210
This to an extent but genuine intellectual communities are as, if not more, able to form in cities if the impetus is there because of the tendency of ability to congregate there. See ancient Athens, C18th London, C20th Paris and New York.

>>11765158
Fun sentiments but a bit edgy in their expression. It's not specifically cities (since you can find vacuity anywhere,) but partly more a condition of the instrumentalising and atomising material logic of modernity that has usurped more traditional - read, transcendental - values that would otherwise motivate individuals towards more scholarly ends in the broader Greek sense. The contemporary philosophers to read on this issue are Alasdair MacIntyre, Charles Taylor, Paul Feyerabend etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:24:07 2018 No.11765999 >>11765217 I'm still looking for something better, but without success.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:32:33 2018 No.11766023 >>11765158 this is pasta right? I feel like I’ve read this before

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:32:46 2018 No.11766024

>>11765114
New York isn't boring, its just that all the interesting aspects of the city are things that people who haven't been raised there wouldn't know about. Mostly because it is Manhatten that has gotten dull, and most people who aren't from NYC probably don't even know that other boroughs exist. Queens and Brooklyn are still vibrant. Queens is the most international county in the whole country, but few pay attention to it because most people are scared of "muh minorities". Literally as a white person who was raised in Queens, I was a racial minority for most of my life till I went away from New York for college.

Classifying Manhattan as a huge gated community is pretty accurate. Rich kids from Manhattan have nothing to do with poor or even middle class kids from other boroughs. Its almost like they literally live in a different plane of existence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:34:00 2018 No.11766027 >>11766024 >vibrant kek

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:41:46 2018 No.11766054

>>11765122
Yawn. Heard it all before.

>>11765158
Real "social relations" are quite easy to come by if you aren't a wilfully bitter faggot

>>11765206
>which religion alone can solve
Are you fucking kidding me

>>11765217
Low bar

>>11765577
Go to the northeast, still plenty of Irish and Poles there

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:52:05 2018 No.11766089 >>11766024 >vibrant. lol. But good post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:54:47 2018 No.11766101 >>11766024 Queens is the definition of "self segreation" except for the key faggy gentrified areas. Brookyln is just upper middle class dirtbags now.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:59:55 2018 No.11766121

>expecting the plutocracy of neoliberalism, especially those whose wealth derives from the tech industry, to be capable of creating or even patronizing worthwhile culture.
It's a shame that rural areas are so hostile towards art. I can't blame them since its a necessary part of opposing the urban elites, but I really think that the good creative works our society could muster would be in direct opposition to our urbanites.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:03:14 2018 No.11766135

In my view it's because of how transient the populations of major cities are these days, especially the professional class that make the low-six-figures required to live comfortably in the city centres. Many of them don't stay more than a few years before moving out to somewhere cheaper where they can start a family, or they hop though several cities over the course of a few years as their job progresses. You end up not having a stable "local" elite because enough people don't stay long enough to get attached to the place. They don't build up the community because they have no real stake in it, and it's impossible to maintain a distinct culture because people keep moving back and forth between different cities, so they end up, consciously or otherwise, favouring a monoculture that extends over multiple major cities. There exist in the west today several million individuals who feel equally at home in London, Paris, Madrid, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, or Seattle, because their moves between those cities have resulted in the creation of a single culture that resides in all those locations. "Aspirational" cities deliberately encourage and imitate that culture in order to try to attract those individuals.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:07:29 2018 No.11766155

Tbqh, I blame the decentralization brought about in the name of defending diversity. Political control had to be taken away from the local, state, and regional centers of governance to make way for Corporate Monoparty Hegemony.

The end result is that the only way to keep people out is by making things ludicrously expensive or prohibitively shitty, and you can neither control politicians (who are forced to respond to money alone) nor can you control the media (because everything that's not Goodthink must be censored) so there's nothing stopping a developer from just walking in, paying the right people, bulldozing what he wants, and filling the new space with outsiders.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:08:57 2018 No.11766159 ugh this place was so grimey and authentic before but now it's all tacky and played out

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:10:01 2018 No.11766164

>>11766135
>maintain a distinct culture
I'd say the death of mythology and the utter necessity of state control of the media helps prevent this as well. Without any means of identifying with anything, even just with stories and values (and how could you, they've been diluted and distorted and rendered meaningless) there can be no real bonds between people.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:14:45 2018 No.11766184

>>11766164
>there can be no real bonds between people
Not necessarily. If you stick a bunch of people in the same place and wait long enough, you inevitably end up with some kind of shared culture. My view is that that shared culture has been corrupted and homogenised across multiple cities.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:17:06 2018 No.11766193

>>11765158
>ENDLESSLY FOCUS ON DAY-TO-DAY PETTY SOCIALIZING AND LASCHIAN NARCISSISTIC GRANDSTANDING ON SOCIAL MEDIA
>The fullest soul sings like wind through the veins of heroes.
A bit hypocritical, depending on your definition of a hero, or the concept of fullness, which as concepts can easily be juxtaposed with grandness (which therefore would mean trying to be a hero, and what is the problem with that even if not hypocritical?)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:20:21 2018 No.11766209 >>11766159 You could always go to Newark if that's what you're looking for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:21:39 2018 No.11766212 >>11766164 >there can be no real bonds between people What about through collective intersectional politics? That could easily turn into a culture (and has).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:33:36 2018 No.11766261 >>11766212 Intersectionality consciously instrumentalizes culture far too intensely for it to develop healthily.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:35:03 2018 No.11766267 >>11766212 Whether it's an actually good culture is arguable

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:35:08 2018 No.11766268 >>11766212 intersectionality just causes hostilitly between everybody, and white men become some sort of demonic figure. it's terrible for social cohesion

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:39:20 2018 No.11766284 >>11766267 >>11766268 The culture its bred is so mean spirited and restrictive. It's produced such a barren landscape that its adherents heap praise onto pop albums and superhero flicks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:39:34 2018 No.11766287 >>11765122 >There is an Amazon Alexa in his soul cavern. There's three dozen Wojak jpegs in mine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:42:04 2018 No.11766298 >>11765114 >back-alley restaurants and shops, dive bars and ice cream parlors lol, am I supposed to mourn for this great loss? is this what cultural degradation is to these people? restaurants shutting down?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:43:30 2018 No.11766302 File: 338 KB, 500x379, merc.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11765577 >In post-MLK american cities, it's either favelas or Starbucks. struth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:44:21 2018 No.11766304 >>11766284 i am a fan of pop music honestly. It's not art the way that classical music is but I find plenty of value in it The superhero movies on the other hand are pure garbage

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:45:34 2018 No.11766309 >>11766298 muh food has always been the cityfag staple argument for their "culture"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:45:53 2018 No.11766310 >>11766298 The irony is that there is genuine loss, but the bugman is only capable of seeing the most superficial qualities of any culture, e.g. the ethnic food he blogs about constantly.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:46:29 2018 No.11766313

>>11766212
by this point intersectional politics are just another PR instrument for the managerial therapeutic state homogenization leviathan. where you once had Farrakhan acolytes and nuwabians or transgressive old fashioned degenerates like burroughs or genet, you get an homogenous sludge of patient-consumers fed on 'inclusive' nerd culture and pop music that makes them feel 'empowered' or 'represented' in between bouts of existential neurosis. the therapeutic model of the self is far more insidious and controlling than disciplinary models based on physical punishment and enclosure

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:49:21 2018 No.11766320 >>11766313 >by this point It was always political theory for middle management and those who aspire to become middle managers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:51:26 2018 No.11766334 >>11766313 >managerial therapeutic state homogenization leviathan. wew

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:51:38 2018 No.11766335 >>11766313 other than the second coming of christ, is there any salvation?

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:52:40 2018 No.11766339
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>>11765114
how about the schizophrenic proliferation of self consciously artificial built environments? the situationists were onto something, forget about ''authenticity'', ''history'' and the rest of the marketing buzzwords, forget about utility and rationality, full automation and spatial-sensory potlach is what we should be aiming for.

>And you, forgotten, your memories ravaged by all the consternations of two hemispheres, stranded in the Red Cellars of Pali-Kao, without music and without geography, no longer setting out for the hacienda where the roots think of the child and where the wine is finished off with fables from an old almanac. That’s all over. You’ll never see the hacienda. It doesn’t exist.

The hacienda must be built.

All cities are geological. You can’t take three steps without encountering ghosts bearing all the prestige of their legends. We move within a closed landscape whose landmarks constantly draw us toward the past. Certain shifting angles, certain receding perspectives, allow us to glimpse original conceptions of space, but this vision remains fragmentary. It must be sought in the magical locales of fairy tales and surrealist writings: castles, endless walls, little forgotten bars, mammoth caverns, casino mirrors.

These dated images retain a small catalyzing power, but it is almost impossible to use them in a symbolic urbanism without rejuvenating them by giving them a new meaning. There was a certain charm in horses born from the sea or magical dwarves dressed in gold, but they are in no way adapted to the demands of modern life. For we are in the twentieth century, even if few people are aware of it. Our imaginations, haunted by the old archetypes, have remained far behind the sophistication of the machines. The various attempts to integrate modern science into new myths remain inadequate. Meanwhile abstraction has invaded all the arts, contemporary architecture in particular. Pure plasticity, inanimate and storyless, soothes the eye. Elsewhere other fragmentary beauties can be found — while the promised land of new syntheses continually recedes into the distance. Everyone wavers between the emotionally still-alive past and the already dead future.

We don’t intend to prolong the mechanistic civilizations and frigid architecture that ultimately lead to boring leisure.

We propose to invent new, changeable decors.
http://www.bopsecrets.org/SI/Chtcheglov.htm

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:52:57 2018 No.11766341 File: 24 KB, 327x333, its all so tiresome.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11766320 >homogenous sludge of patient-consumers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:54:35 2018 No.11766348 gosh you guys sure are smart

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:55:15 2018 No.11766352 >>11766335 there's still plenty of cool people they're just a bit rarer now maybe

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:59:33 2018 No.11766368
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This is why I love Vegas. It is a city based around pure greed, sex and trashiness and has a character of its own. It has no pretensions about being anything else

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:01:39 2018 No.11766375

>>11765114
Here is what I find truly strange about the modern world: we are becoming people who are more obsessed with global/national affairs than the affairs of our own towns and cities. Pretty much everyone will have an opinion on Trump, or care about shit happening in the major media centers; but how many of these people notice stuff going on in their own town? The internet makes us more disconnected from our local surroundings than anything before

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:01:58 2018 No.11766378 >>11765158 I agree with you completely but also know it's got a ring of bullshit. There are lots of people that feel the same way; therefore, one should go out and pair bond with them rather than continue being alone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:06:40 2018 No.11766393 >>11765171 Why should he.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:07:55 2018 No.11766399 >>11765210 Literally meat portal thinking, cities are where the fetish clubs at.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:07:56 2018 No.11766400
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>>11766335

hyperreal terroristic ecstacy.

i don't know, it sure isn't a question of left vs right anymore, it's about finding a way to release the disruptive energies of human excess, energies that transcend liberalism, refuse therapeutic or any other sort of containment/ banal subjectification. think less politics and more viral engineering.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:11:31 2018 No.11766410

>>11766375
Because paradoxically local matters really don't have any importance if all the local people are only concerned with global problems. Lead in the water is bad yes but a president being elected throwing your entire peer group into self-induced psychosis is arguably much worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:12:00 2018 No.11766413 >>11765114 For some reason I find essays that focus on what life is like in cities/towns to be really fascinating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:12:46 2018 No.11766416 >>11766393 I don't think he would. The person I was responding to called all those who respected those things "Platonic Bugmen".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:15:20 2018 No.11766425 >>11766410 Yeah you say this now, but once you have lead-brained feral niggers coming in through your windows and eating your newborn, you'll change your tune pretty quick.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:16:26 2018 No.11766430

The idea of cities having a "culture" of their own seems like a meme to me. I recently moved to Pittsburgh and I really don't get this sense. Every weekday I go to work into downtown and I don't get any semblance of culture, just a rather regular process of being among roads, buses and buildings. I guess people think a culture of a city is in the small, charming shops and bars, but is that really enough to say a city is interesting? I mean, hole in the wall bars and special family bakeries exist everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:17:43 2018 No.11766435 >>11766024 >brooklyn the place where rich kids from fly over towns and cities go to be sold a lifestyle

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:37:02 2018 No.11766521

>>11766024
>Mostly because it is Manhatten that has gotten dull, and most people who aren't from NYC probably don't even know that other boroughs exist. Queens and Brooklyn are still vibrant.
Everyone in the surrounding area is well aware of the outer boroughs. There's nothing of real interest out there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:37:37 2018 No.11766524 >>11765281 basado

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:56:51 2018 No.11766602 >>11766348 Thanks bud.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:58:32 2018 No.11766610 >>11765158 Good pasta

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 23:05:37 2018 No.11766632 >>11765114 GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR NPC BULLSHIT YOU R9K CROSSBOARDER EAT SHIT REEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 23:06:14 2018 No.11766633 >>11765122 spot on

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 00:18:25 2018 No.11766811

>>11765114

The author could be completely correct in his observations, but rich people and their skittish capital are not new. Nor are people adapting. The trouble for us seems to be there's a vast number of people who cannot adapt, who cannot learn enough Java to retool themselves from poultry butchery to Dev Ops. This was a tenet of globalization, or at least what the upper castes explained to the lower strata: they could all be retrained and would receive some sort of socialized rescue from the inevitable ruin. The losers the system produced could not be culled quick enough, even when they created a global market for fentanyl to do it. And now those losers are exercising their remnant agency, be it through almost completely inarticulate e-celebs, or vapid movement climbers, and they're powers are greater than anyone at CSIS or CFR or Rand ever suspected. But just as the losers having a say in their culling and telling the establishment "no," the establishment has a vote on whether peasants can impact their clan's portfolios and legacy projects like uniting the Mediterranean or making Somalian-majority European countries.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 00:23:03 2018 No.11766821

>>11765114

Is there anything more estronautical and post-masculine as lingering in a labored lamentation on the world being imperfect? The world is a shit hole and I have no clue how all the NPCs manage it, but I assume they're only spawning when my vision's draw distance requires. It does make you wonder about all the little Eichmann NPCs that support injustice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 00:30:13 2018 No.11766841 >>11766304 >implying your opinion matters

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 00:35:23 2018 No.11766852 >Bawww why can't I have my "authentic" and "gritty" crime infested, street gang overrun, mafia controlled, pestilential urban hellscape? Why did it have to get nice and clean with all those mean awful rich folk! Baww

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 01:00:38 2018 No.11766913 >>11765281 If there was a word that I’d remove from english it would be “authentic”. It means absolutely nothing - people use it to describe the experience they wanted instead of the one they had.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 01:02:26 2018 No.11766919 >>11766352 nah - you’re just presented with more trash - because there’s more money to be made that way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 01:06:28 2018 No.11766934 >>11766919 This. One man's crass mall is another man's hip bazaar

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 01:14:23 2018 No.11766958 >>11765122 jfc can we please start cringecomping this sort of mpcposting

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 01:18:52 2018 No.11766967 >>11765941 >too much money really isnt the problem. or it's one of many. things are much worse than just 'gentrification.' elaborate

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 01:19:27 2018 No.11766971 >>11765114 >harpers.org The crossword is the only good thing about that rag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 01:24:56 2018 No.11766981 is Calvino early NPC lit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 01:27:52 2018 No.11766989 >>11766967 No church

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 01:34:53 2018 No.11767004 >>11765577 >Philly >Not full of Micks No, they're still all over the place. But now there's a fuckton of other people here. Diversity is nice, and it's sure as better to have to learn some Mandarin than to deal with some Starbucks bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:50:25 2018 No.11767171 If the author of that article wants "authentic" "grimy" New York, people tried to mug me like, 15 times when I lived on 185th Street. For fuck's sake, the Dominicans hacked a kid to death with machetes two blocks away like a month ago.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:40:32 2018 No.11767638

>>11765210
You feel that way because you were born after city life had been changed by a variety of factors in America and the new normal was accepted over time as the natural state of urban living. Before this, most people lived in strongly connected neighbourhoods, until they were destroyed on purpose.

https://devinhelton.com/why-urban-decay
> Before the riots, my grandmother’s well-maintained neighborhood was a neighborhood of rose gardens and neighbors talking over the back fence, of bakeries and a walk to the local church on Sundays, of kids playing baseball in the side streets and the local family dog getting scraps from everyone up and down the block.
>In less than a year, it no longer looked familiar. There were boarded-up windows and scary guys hanging on corners, trash in the alleys and chained dogs surrounded by piles of excrement in backyards, loud porch parties and screeching children fighting on the front street.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 07:20:59 2018 No.11767731 >>11765122 Based and redpilled

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 07:31:24 2018 No.11767754

>>11766368
Agreed. I didn't know if it was civic Stockholm syndrome or what, but I always felt like Vegas was one of the last authentic places on the West Coast.
Even moving away from that great mob-era Flamingo aesthetic, you get the oppressive, nightmarish atmosphere of the Strip. It's always been interesting. And the suburbs are really a thing to behold, just amazing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 10:46:35 2018 No.11768335 >>11765114 The internet is the ultimate city.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 10:50:59 2018 No.11768351 >>11765122 good pasta

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 10:57:36 2018 No.11768388 >>11765183 It's the Jews and usury which is enforced by the capitalist hellhole we live in that tricks dumb gays into buying their burger because their logo is covered in a rainbow for a month.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 10:58:56 2018 No.11768397 >>11766913 yikes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 11:21:51 2018 No.11768477 File: 52 KB, 831x458, 1535009061207.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11765183 Wenn die Tatsachen nicht mit der Theorie übereinstimmen – umso schlimmer für die Tatsachen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 11:59:02 2018 No.11768587 >>11766971 what about the harper's index thing they do at the beginning, or the 'findings' at the end? sometimes interesting

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:02:08 2018 No.11768597

>>11768388
stop seeing everything in terms of money. your npc brain is just running a neoliberal program that focuses only the symptoms and blinds you to the real problems—you're their perfect robot: by fighting to treat the symptoms you've been programmed to identify, you make the real problems worse.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:04:10 2018 No.11768607
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>>11765114
>NPCs and the death of the literary /lit/ environment

literally everything in this thread could be written about /lit/ post-2016.

the most interesting public forum on the internet, bled dry

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:07:06 2018 No.11768617 >>11768607 you have a graph like that for just /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:10:55 2018 No.11768633 >>11768617 nope, don't do subdomains. however, it's obvious from mere observation that crossboarders have overwhelmed local culture and drove out many of the best posters

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:14:14 2018 No.11768650 >>11768633 sorry im retarded re: computers. does that mean the data for a /lit/ graph like that doesn't exist/isn't available, or that you don't pull it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:16:59 2018 No.11768668 >>11768477 Based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:21:06 2018 No.11768689 >>11768597 What is the real problem then, Mr PC?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:21:57 2018 No.11768695 >>11766416 I assumed he meant it in the sense of a Platonic ideal form.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:24:04 2018 No.11768701 >>11768650 i'm sure more sophisticated traffic rankers / site analysers could provide that data to you - it's just that the free one I use saves money by not tracking most subdomains. might be you could find it for free, i didn't look very hard

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:27:48 2018 No.11768715

>>11768689
i'll post a lengthier response from my computer later, but it's a complicated issue of demographic change, socio-economic patterns, marketing strategies, macro-psychological shifts, hormone degradation, media brainwashing and ineffective government policies. it's not necessarily something anyone could ever (let alone now) done anything to slow down (let alone stop.) baudrillard does a decent job of capturing a large hunk of the phenomenon—it's modernity, but it's modernity playing out in different sectors of society in the specific order that's let to the current situation; it wasn't ever inevitable, but no one ever had control either

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:31:46 2018 No.11768730 >>11768715 All of these are consequences of allowing usury to take hold in the late Middle Ages and in the early modern era. Without usury there is no modernity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 13:09:50 2018 No.11768898 >>11768607 Be the change you wish to see. Would you rather NPCs weren't introduced to 4chan? Would you rather have more Reddit bugmen? It's not easy but we have to do it not just for the betterment of the /lit/ community, but our irl societies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 13:12:12 2018 No.11768902 File: 170 KB, 900x1350, 714lUr4kpLL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11768730 Not who you're responding to, but you're partially correct. These issues don't have singular roots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 13:21:03 2018 No.11768922 fuck washington, and fuck blumbf.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 13:30:00 2018 No.11768949

>>11766435
I've recently moved to Brooklyn and I'm neither rich nor feel like I've bought into a lifestyle. I do see your point, however, and even though I've been here for only a few weeks I've discovered that I get a vibe from certain areas and people (ex: Williamsburg) where there is something of the artificial or culturally manufactured. These are the types of people and areas that when I come across, despite their presentation (hip/eclectic/esoteric) it's all too obvious that it's only a veneer, a sort of fast-fashion without any substance. There is still authenticity due to the density and diversity of Brooklyn/NYC (even Williamsburg), but it's just harder to find. And anyways, is it any better in other US cities? Is there any other city in the US that still offers as much? It's better than nothing.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 13:38:44 2018 No.11768991

>>11766135

The cosmopolitan strain is real. I am from, and still live near, a rural area with a declined agrarian tradition. My friend is engaged to a middle-class Californian and he has lamented about this exact thing to me; how hard it has been for him to adapt to the small town atmosphere because he is used to this inclusivity from bigger cities. He has half-identified that the issue is an inability to integrate into a local culture where people are familiar, not just with each other, but each others' "story" for lack of a better word. But he doesn't perceive any deficit on his own part, instead seeing the locals as lacking in erudition or world knowledge. He doesn't realize that he's like a shell-less turtle compared to them. He has no story, no tangible more-than-individuated mythos to sustain his identity and has to rely on the safety of globalized and globalizing digital bourgeois affectations and materialism ti feel at home. The world "Californization" was used in a thread like this and it seems so apt.

Meanwhile, an idiot with a sense of personal culture can get along with his identity anywhere. He carries the insulation of his identity with him.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:01:16 2018 No.11769077

>>11768991
I live in a medium-sized metro area that has grown about 40% in the last 10 years. Where there was once abundant cornfields as far as the eye could see there are now fast food restaurants and myriad apartment complexes which illustrate the transient nature of the newcomers. Where it was once overwhelmingly an area of homeownership, the amount of apartment complexes perhaps outnumbers the amount of neighborhoods. Recently, they built an enormous new apartment complex in the downtown area of my city. On both sides of the exterior of the building on the 3rd floor, there is a perhaps 10,000 sqft social area with chairs and awnings and lamps - a comfortable area if I ever saw one - that has remained vacant for as long as I can remember seeing as I walked past it every day. I remarked to my fiance that it perfectly illustrates the Millennial zeitgeist - the atomized, commodified, transience of being. Everything about my generation and its spirit is that of leasing, from our cars to our shelters to our communities to our spouses. Everything that the Millennial possesses is transient and is merely a placeholder for the next best material possession. Add to that the metropolitan politics that have seeped into a once deep red area. I go outside and do not even recognize my own community - there are niggers, arabs, bosnians, indians, faggots, trannies, and all other sorts of degenerates in the heart of the city, pushing all of the decent white folks (still the vast majority of the demographic) to the outskirts of town where all the new development is. When will we take a stand?

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:07:20 2018 No.11769100
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Remember me, /lit/. I was a city once, before my shores were eroded at the hands of Mexicans and New York Jews. Don't let the same thing happen to you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:07:47 2018 No.11769103 >>11765114 i like how that builing on Park just shits on the rest of the skyline lmao

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:09:29 2018 No.11769112
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Uh, sweetie, New York is where all social realist fiction comes from :^). It's still gritty, unlike the ruralities of the midwest, where academia reigns supreme

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:12:23 2018 No.11769125 so people weren't memeing when they said south america has the most /lit/ cities?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:14:15 2018 No.11769131 >>11768633 you got trolled, dude

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:17:12 2018 No.11769147

>>11769077

>leased generation

My illiterate French Canadian grandfather came to this country in 1945 with $25 and English as a second language from friendship with the family whose farm was across the road (something he was proud of). Literally paid for every car he ever owned with cash and died debtless at 93 with 140 acres of farmland and woods, and a second home plus a rental in Florida. All on his own work ethic. That kind of life is now almost impossible for most white, native-born, English-speaking people born in the middle class with a four year college education. How that change doesn't terrify and galvanize more people amazes me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:20:50 2018 No.11769159 >>11769147 Sorry friend, Pablo and his 57 cousins and 300 kids needs somebody to pay for all those pesky medical bills!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:26:15 2018 No.11769174 >>11769159 Mon tabarnak j'vais te décâlisser la yeule, câlice

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 15:16:29 2018 No.11769381

>>11769147
iktf anon. Same here. My family is comprised of Germans and Norwegians that came to North Dakota in 1820, 60 years before it was even a fucking state. True frontiersman. They literally built the state. It's one of the last bastions of White America, but I see the cosmopolitan rot seeping into the state and it infuriates me.

Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y Tue Sep 11 16:09:33 2018 No.11769594

>>11765281
Capitalistic colonization was the last good reason for the West to travel. It supplied an honorable reason to be there. Everything since is just snapshots and the realization that you came, you saw but you have nothing interesting to think about it.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 16:23:40 2018 No.11769642

>>11765114
> In Washington, an army of cranes has transformed the city in recent years, smoothing out all that was real and organic into a town of mausoleums for the Trump crowd to revel in.
This is where the authors horrible bias comes out. DC is the second most liberal city in the country, Trump is irrelevant there besides protests and Republican representatives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 16:31:56 2018 No.11769664 >>11769642 Perhaps they need Trump to have realistic assessments about taboo subjects, in this case in-group flaws.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 16:46:18 2018 No.11769733 >>11769100 this is pure historical revisionism. LA was a hellhole from the start, it's just somewhat differently hellish now

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 16:51:14 2018 No.11769755 What's Vancouver like? Might be going there for school and want to accept my fate before arriving desu

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:04:26 2018 No.11769817

>>11765114
I want to address the question that has appeared sometimes in these threads regarding meditation.

The question is "if NPCs are characterized by not having inner speech, then why Eastern meditation schools teach you to silence your mind?"

Well, the answer is the following:

You have to realize meditation schools doesn't only teach you to silence your thoughts, they also teach you to observe your emotions, and don't react to them. If you are aware enough, you can realize we can stablish the following self-awareness/metacognition scale, based on the locus of self:

1- reflex driven
2-emotionally driven (most NPCs, they only reason emotionally, and react to emotional input in a borderline reflex way)
3-rationally driven (thinking people)
4-consciously driven (meditation)

The overlap of no reason between NPCs and meditation practitioners is due to the NPCs being pre-rational, and the meditation practicioners being post-rational.

Meditators can use both emotions and reason, but are not identified nor bound to them. It's the highest form of self-awareness.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:12:45 2018 No.11769857

>>11769817

Do you think meditation practice is the only means to achieve that consciously driven mode? Do you think you could achieve this via exercise? I like to think I can induce clarity, acuity, lucidity into my life if I endure grueling physical tasks long enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:14:51 2018 No.11769864 >>11769857 It's tricky, I think he way to do it while exercising is to enter a state of flow. That is, you relegate every operational thought to the subconscious so you can do the task while being "free of mind" and fully conscious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:16:18 2018 No.11769871 The internet ought to have rendered the need for cultural centers obsolete but it seems like people have failed to organize any suitable online alternatives while the real world is hollowed out and gentrified

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:20:40 2018 No.11769897 File: 158 KB, 830x484, BLA_AngelsFlight-830x484[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11769733 >He doesn't know

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:23:04 2018 No.11769909

>>11769871
Online cultural centers are subject to the same forces as meatspace ones. /lit/ is a good example - it used to be a good place to discuss literature, but a variety of factors (including and especially people "moving" here from /pol/, /r9k/, reddit) result in an outstanding amount of off topic threads, cultural illiterates talking out of their asses, people posting and changing board culture without respect for what was here before, etc.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:23:46 2018 No.11769913

>>11765135
I live in New York.

The greentext isn't wrong...I don't exactly see what's so evil about it. It seems like normal quotidian stuff. It is only wrong for people to pretend it's something greater ("I am a creative", etc).

The biggest problem is people having no real community, being detached from their families, and entertaining themselves to death, but is that not happening outside of NYC too? Perhaps the communities and families are more intact elsewhere...but I don't know.

Also, I like NPR, or I should say, I like WireTap ("I am Margaret Atwood") and This American Life. Snap Judgement is good sometimes.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:26:18 2018 No.11769926

>>11769909
Yeah, imo no one has figured out a way to moderate that preserves a large degree of free speech while ensuring some degree of respectability. The solution is presumably to organize into smaller websites, but it's difficult to run those and even harder to discover them. Are chat groups and mailing lists unironically the peak of internet communication?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:31:17 2018 No.11769948 >>11766298 >He doesn't have a favorite restaurant where the waiter knows his order by heart

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:33:51 2018 No.11769957 >>11766430 Your entire post is literally what the op's article is referring to, smart guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:36:10 2018 No.11769967 >>11766852 >Ah, so happy I live in my nice gated community where everything and everyone is the same. Sure is the life never having to learn, adapt, or improve my mind and world view.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:39:34 2018 No.11769980 >>11769967 >rich people don't have problems they have to face by virtue of the fact that they're not being slaughtered by browns

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:40:28 2018 No.11769984 >>11766852 That needledick of a building is an eyesore though. I'm not against new, modern, tall buildings, just against acutely ugly and conspicuous ones.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:42:16 2018 No.11769994 File: 887 KB, 746x980, Alessandro 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11768477 Finally, this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:44:45 2018 No.11770009 File: 331 KB, 1470x1116, 1456523535505.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11769994 >nigger: the picture

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:47:33 2018 No.11770022

>>11768949
I feel more or less the same. I meet a lot of interesting scientists, since they come to NYC all the time and sometimes come to speak at columbia or NYU or whatever. Then again if you don't have an arbirtrary fascination with it then this probably wouldn't do much for you. Also there are probably better science cities...Boston comes to mind. But Boston is suffering a "plague of wealth" too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:47:41 2018 No.11770023 >>11765122 i think im in love

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:49:00 2018 No.11770029

>>11769926

No I think we still have a shot but like minded anons need to become moderators and start filtering all this shit out of here for the sake of us all.

and/or

Combine both culture and lit here and accept the fact that we are being bombarded with "walking dead" anons who are looking for a way out.

More and more people are getting access to the internet which means we will continue to be bombarded with misguided individuals. we either accept peak status or adapt and figure something out, while still having the "old school" anons around to help guide the rest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:51:38 2018 No.11770041 >>11770029 You can't just become a mod though, can you? Like you have to be autistic enough to be a janitor and then autistic enough to actually be promoted from your autism post to a position running the autism site.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:53:21 2018 No.11770050 Peter Thiel, as always, gets it 100% right. Ignore the ads and the annoying moderator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbD6zQZfzXY

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:57:29 2018 No.11770078

>>11769913
I think the error in your argument is you literally made "I live in New York." it's own line, and I'm generally a funloving abstainer of ad hominem but dude seriously? You sound like a cock. Besides, the hate is to demonstrate these overly complicated excretions of contemporary late-capitalist trash that just happen to be more adept at smearing their faces in iconography and trends that buzz and blare over the din of delivery trucks and ubers while being incapable of anything beyond myopic narcissism is important to hammer out, because this type of stereotype has disproportionate cultural capital and sets the tone of our culture. The rest of the country is told to remember 9/11, the rest of the country reads their shitty reductive jew-stuffed literature and genre smut, the rest of the country gets their housing prices dunked because they're too lazy to be scrupulous, and the rest of the country watches as it continues to suck up its talent because of its buzzing allure. The yuppy, or the sniffling and logically predictable cosmopolitan is essentially the absolute shibboleth of what other's believe to be sophistication, happiness, and success, while it's just a shame that they shove down the masses throat via the marketing and brainwashing they develop. Also the Us vs. them dichotomy is really slave mentality, but this is true of any large cosmopolitan hub and slower moving bucolic valleys

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:57:46 2018 No.11770082 >>11769381 Really? You're seeing "cosmopolitan rot" in North Dakota?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:58:15 2018 No.11770083 >>11770050 This guy literally transfuses the blood of the young into himself to live longer, NOTHING he says is anything other than vapid silicon valley meme shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:59:43 2018 No.11770090 >>11769077 Bozeman? Boise?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:59:49 2018 No.11770091 >>11769913 youre an npc lad, grow a soul

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 18:04:52 2018 No.11770126

>>11770041

you made a good point.

and now that you have let's look at the option we have left ( the second point I made in my previous post)

Which is adapting to the bullshit scenario we have in front of us right now (culture and lit) due to the growth in traffic. Taking it like a champ with no lube and providing the walking dead as well as those with honest /lit questions the answers they are looking for.

Look at it this way anon; the old school anons here are here for a reason. they are philosophical and well read (for the most part) and can guide anybody here to the right path. Or at least help them get to the starting point. imho.

Some will decide is not for them, some will stay and see the greater good that comes out of here. I for one appreciate all the work that gets done here despite all the odds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 18:14:47 2018 No.11770157 >>11770082 LMAO, no time for the cowardly optimism. It's already in rural fucking russyia. Get with chic nihilism or suffer Ofc we will chose the suffering

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 18:32:22 2018 No.11770219 >>11770126 i wonder if old anons are philosophical bc doing lots of reading thats where you land, or heavy fiction writers get burned out in a different way

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 18:45:35 2018 No.11770276 >>11768607 >increase in phoneposting is a result of phoneposting newcomers and not smartphones becoming more readily available to existing audiences I swear there is not a single person posting this image with an IQ over 85

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 18:46:05 2018 No.11770279 >>11770274 what did i just read

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 18:54:20 2018 No.11770306 >>11770083 >NOTHING he says is anything other than vapid silicon valley meme shit Is that why a large amount of Silicon Valley workers actively want him to die?

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 18:58:42 2018 No.11770320

>>11770083
Lol, reminds me of this literally Onion.com tier trend about sillicon valley types downing "raw water" that is, untreated lake water marketed as some kind of boundary pushing health booster.

You've got to be literally retarded and uneducated if you think drinking raw freshwater will do anything for you besides give you diarrhea or some jungle bug unknown to science.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 19:05:49 2018 No.11770354

>>11770219
i think some people just have the disposition towards philosophy. I started reading(and writing, the shit i wrote when i was 14 is hilarious) this stuff at a pretty young age because i was naturally intrigued by the ideas. There were a handful of other kids I knew that had the same impulse.

I have always moved from philsophy to fiction and poetry, rather than vice versa, I actually learnt a language and studied its literature purely because the philosophical things I was studying made it seem that I had to do so to understand some things. The knowing takes precedence, and then the sublime, or something like taht.

Writing poetry is really just a means for me to understand things. It's like a mixture of my subconscious and the universe uniting and showing me patterns, similarities, essences.

I've spoken to people who see things very differently than this. Like knowing would just be a tool for the purpose of then creating something. I think these guys are less philsophical and more artistic maybe, or more practical, or something. Maybe there is supposed to be a balance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 19:09:12 2018 No.11770370 >>11770320 Fun fact, the dude who made juicero and moot advocates for raw wasser.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 19:21:45 2018 No.11770428 >>11770320 >>11770083 theyre obsessed with microbiota such that they want to make a literal market for the elite to sell their feces for fecal transplants in the plebs. can you imagine the laughter in their mansions?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 19:31:01 2018 No.11770465 >>11770157 No idea what you're trying to say here

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 19:40:18 2018 No.11770495

>>11770354
I was the same way, although I started with history first. Honestly was a war history pleb who had a superficial interest in history. But that changed after I had a great history teacher in 9th grade who really changed how I thought about history and the world though.
He focused on ideas first, ism's. Then he made us connect various historical events in their social, political, and economic contexts to these -isms. Still remember him repeating over and over that "context is everything." Taught me Locke and Hobbes and how ideas change history. Once I understood that, I realized how important philosophy was and I began reading the history of philosophy. I can probably owe my only real passion to him.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 19:43:30 2018 No.11770511

>>11770219
Reading and philosophy are more or less two sides of the same coin. By reading a lot (fiction, non-fiction, history, anything really) you expose yourself to a variety of perspectives which naturally generates problems when you try consciously or unconsciously to reconcile these different perspectives (different authors and their viewpoints on nature, life, love, death etc.). Philosophy is not exclusively autistic analytic jargon ("actual" philosophy) but may be a manner of thinking that comes naturally for those inclined to literature and reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 19:57:57 2018 No.11770555 >>11765122 I liked this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:11:18 2018 No.11770597 >>11770082 In Bismarck and Fargo mostly. Grand Forks it's growing. Minot, too, but slower as well. Luckily most of ND is agrarian and won't be taken over as easily as Minnesota.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:19:38 2018 No.11770631 >>11765122 >trying to adopt NPC as the new bugman This meme is all over the place

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:22:34 2018 No.11770646

>>11770495
sounds like a based teacher. my start was some class asked us to research a religion in 8th grade and i chose buddhism, and immediately realized 'this is not a religion is it?' and was confused because i had literally never been exposed to those types of ideas before, so i got quite obsessed with buddhism and then started an immense wikipedia link journey and understood that there was this thing called philosophy,(but also ontology, metaphysics, etc. those labels confused the shit out of me) and it was like 'behind' everything else. So after reading these wiki summaries i immediately set out trying to make my own verison lmao, it was the dumbest shit imaginable.

I noticed that everybody was disagreeing with everybody and that the concept of unknowability was everywhere so i said that the core aspect of reality was ambiguity, and then made an actual little metaphysical system centred around it. I still have it somewhere on a hard drive i think.

Then i started actually reading philsoophers, Kant was the first big one I did, but I was so autistic about never beleiving them and always trying to make my own retarded system.

Ive read dozens of them now and written a shitload of stuff but i am sitl essentially that retarded 13 year old stubbornly attempting to create a grand vision of reality. i have realized i will never actually get there, when so many minds so much more intellgent than me have tried and failed. But it is a habit so deeply engrained at this point that it is just something i do without even thinking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:28:34 2018 No.11770676 >>11765281 >not traveling to gain an insight into their culture and yours by differences Come on senpai

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:29:06 2018 No.11770678 >>11770631 Bugman grew into Basedboy and was subsequently censored by Silicon Valley. We're evolving the concept a bit, but mainly adapting the symbol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:30:32 2018 No.11770686 >>11770676 >>11765281 There's nothing saying you cannot learn something by travelling, even if your experience is highly curated. Especially from worldliness-starved people, any exposure to somewhere else could be very interesting to them.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:43:58 2018 No.11770722

>>11770678
No just finding different labels for the same group of people you dislike. It seems that less like evolution but more like taking constant potshots. /pol/fags face a completely one sided fight, they hide behind anonymity to dodge any critique yet constantly critique the people they see.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:44:48 2018 No.11770724 I suggest everyone in this thread read Lewis Mumford's 'A City in History', explains a lot of what is being talked about in this thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:54:46 2018 No.11770758 >>11770078 savage. I can’t stand assholes from LA and NYC and you just articulated why better than I ever could

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:57:42 2018 No.11770769

What we're doing to our cities sucks but at least some of the atomizing processes make the 'city culture' irrelevant anyway, or at least much less necessary than before.

e.g. I've become belatedly interested in film in the past few months - I've watched a torrented bluray every night for the last 40 or 50 days. The urban cultural infrastructure of art house theaters and film festivals is superfluous for finding rare films except as places to meet people, 'have an experience'... it is this craving for experiences we have to move past in order to adapt.

And here here I am in my suburban room, just read stimulating thread. I'm not talking anyone in real time in a coffee house or a party or something but i'm having *some* simulating contact with the outside, albeit truncated and narrow. this applies to other media and art forms like books, paintings. internet lets you do a lot independent of physical environment.

it's probably going to be a long time before we start turning things around for the cities - maybe not until most of thep oeple in this thread are middle aged or older, if it ever happens at all. so be mindful of the positives... you don't need to live in a city to become a cultured person anymore

anyway if my dumb opinions don't satisfy u enjoy this passage from Houllebecq's Platform:

>That evening, as her car was being repaired, Jean-Yves drove Valerie home. As he was stepping out of his office, he looked out over the chaotic landscape of houses, shopping centres, tower-blocks and motorway interchanges. Far away, on the horizon, a layer of pollution lent the sunset strange tints of mauve and green. 'It's strange,' he said to her, 'here we are inside the company like well-fed beasts of burden. And outside are the predators, the savage world. I was in Sao Paulo once, that's where evolution has really been pushed to its limits. It's not even a city any more, it's a sort of urban territory which extends as far as the eye can see, with its favelas, its huge office blocks, its luxury housing surrounded by guards armed to the teeth. It has a population of more than twenty million, many of whom are born, live and die without ever stepping outside the limits of its terrain. The streets are dangerous there: even in a car someone might pull a gun on you at a traffic light, or you might wind up being tailed by a gang; the really well-equipped gangs have machine-guns and rocket launchers. Businessmen and rich people use helicopters to get around almost all the time; there are helipads pretty much everywhere, on the roofs of banks and apartment blocks. At ground level the street is left to the poor - and the gangs.'

>As he turned on to the motorway heading south, he added in a low voice: 'I've been having doubts lately. More and more now I have doubts about the sort of world we're creating.'

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:00:44 2018 No.11770787 >>11769948 I live 45 min from San Francisco and have multiple places where I'm a regular and know the staff. This isn't that difficult to find outside of major cities

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:15:12 2018 No.11770847 File: 27 KB, 512x384, 1533223969488.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11770722 based boomer speaking truth to power, anon needs to be stopped

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:19:06 2018 No.11770869 The city/rural dynamic is honestly ruining this country. Cities impact the rural areas to much with their faggotry and greediness. Citystates when.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:26:49 2018 No.11770899
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>you will never be born into a large family with a citystate tower home built by your ancestors
>you will never infuse yourself within the local urban history and culture, practicing the traditions, and bettering yourself with the eventual goal of increasing the glory of your city
>you will never participate in discussions in the city square on the new guild hall construction, what it should look like and what it will represent
>you will never become a neuron in the next stage of evolution, holding a pivotal pathway in the stone brain of combined consciences
>you will never have deep rivalries with neighbouring cities with frequent petty wars and blood feuds lasting generations

Fuck this shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:33:06 2018 No.11770912 >>11770899 damn that would be based

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:35:11 2018 No.11770921

>>11770847
>anon needs to be stopped
Not anon just normalfaggotry, which is a different and older concept than normies. The problems is post-2016 4chan abuses anonymity in the way I described, instead of using their observations to self critique. The NPC meme is by far the most retarded thing to come out of /pol/, where their posters and posts are as scripted as the very people demonized

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:38:01 2018 No.11770932 >>11770921 >/pol/ you need to fuck off

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:40:05 2018 No.11770938 >>11770932 Oh here comes the scripted responses. Naming the /pol/fag immediately breeds hostility with no regards to the contents of post. Next time use yikes or cringed and bluepilled, you would sound less triggered

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:40:57 2018 No.11770943 >>11770938 if you think the shit being discussed in this thread is /pol/ you are an utter brainlet and part of the problem

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:41:21 2018 No.11770946 >>11770899 i havent felt sad in a long time but this post, in contrast to what our ciites are actually like, is just too much tbqh

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:42:39 2018 No.11770954 File: 293 KB, 750x513, 8BA7B7A1-4827-4389-8687-41BF1C4A7317.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11765158 >>11765122 Mmm tasty

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:43:43 2018 No.11770957 >>11770769 Basically this. “Urban enviornments” are literally hyperrealists memes/experience machines.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:45:17 2018 No.11770964 >>11770943 It is? The NPC thing they are pushing is coming directly from them (although the OG post came from cripplechan IIRC)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:48:08 2018 No.11770970 >>11770921 >post-2016 4chan abuses anonymity in the way I described No it doesn't you retard boomer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:48:32 2018 No.11770973 >>11770964 the npc thing is just one way of approaching a much more complex issue-whether that specific take is some narrow bullshit from /pol/ has no bearing on the underlying problems being discussed here, whatever they’re referred to as

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:55:16 2018 No.11770998

>>11770973
Yes and that is precisely the point I am trying to make in the first post I made. That the NPC hot take has no place in serious critique with mordern society, and the people ITT adding the word into the latter is trying to give the former some credibility that as you already put it, doesn’t deserve.

>>11770970
The constant threads about some literally who’s tweets, Reddit posts and even articles to stir up shitstorms says otherwise

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:58:58 2018 No.11771015

>>11765114
any place that isn't gentrified to shit, just take the fucking tube from manhattan to queens and suddenly you're immersed in actual culture, it's just filthy, unseemly, and unconcerned with the minutiae of consumerist presentability. The way cities always were, and have only ceased to be in the enclaves where all-white business culture has usurped the culture of everyday people and humanity is repressed by the behemoth of profitability. The worst example of this isn't New York, it's San Francisco. In the bay, that tumor has metastasized into Oakland. But all you need to do to shed the dead skin of this sepulchral shopping mall is to live in any place that bespoke middle-managers would scoff at and consider a shithole. Detroit is a better place to live than Manhattan, if only because living in Detroit forces a man to pull his head out of his ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:02:50 2018 No.11771031 >>11770973 the NPC meme requires one to subscribe to the fundamental delusion of their own specialness, and anybody who does so in earnest has lost all hope of objectivity

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:05:01 2018 No.11771040 >>11771031 you dont need to think youre special to know that not everyone is the same

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:08:20 2018 No.11771062 >>11771040 So you admit you are an NPC?

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:08:56 2018 No.11771066

I watched a youtube channel of a Serbian guy living in Manhattan. He makes his living by walking affluent people's dogs 7 days a week, earns between 40-50k per year and has no health insurance. The city looks empty most of the time; idlers are hobos.

Some nice avenues. Hell on Earth otherwise, the sheer inhumanity of the USA annoys me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:09:52 2018 No.11771071 >>11771062 no im saying even npcs can tell somethings wrong

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:11:03 2018 No.11771076

>>11771040
that's true, and people can easily be either correct or incorrect about anything, believing nobody is special is not the same as believing everyone is the same
but considering some to be PCs and some to be NPCs is just shoveling a vague idea of "the masses" (read: anybody the viewer fails to understand) into a mental box of being "not real" while the viewer, and those they understand, are special or real.
the arguments they use to put people in these boxes can be correct but are inherently irrelevant, as they only serve to support the fundamental ego-fueled delusion that the "PC" wishes would give meaning to their life

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:11:54 2018 No.11771078 >>11771071 So ... yes?

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:12:21 2018 No.11771081

>>11770998
None of that is an abuse of anonymity and /pol/ != 4chan. Also people abuse each other and /pol/ in general on /pol/ all the time. What is a proper non-abusive use of anonymity, what is anon abusing his anonymity to get away with? There is more division and self criticism on /pol/ then probably any other political forum or in any other political entity, the entire format of 4chan discourages consensus forming. You think there is less consensuses on r/politics or le_donald? more diverse opinions in the NYT or on fox news? msnbc? Your obsession with /pol/ just exposes you as a normie who cant handle seeing illegal thoughts like racism freely expressed. Those dam racists on /pol/ hiding behind anonymity to say mean things need to be stopped huh?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:14:39 2018 No.11771093 >>11769980 >ho hum, this perennial ennui is making it really hard to decide what color my new Porsche should be :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:21:00 2018 No.11771121 >>11771081 >our obsession with /pol/ just exposes you as a normie who cant handle seeing illegal thoughts like racism freely expressed. this is it

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:26:56 2018 No.11771151

>>11771081
>None of that is an abuse of anonymity and /pol/ != 4chan. Also people abuse each other and /pol/ in general on /pol/ all the time.
Ah very those very same people denounced as shills. Is shareblue still the hip group to use?

>What is a proper non-abusive use of anonymity, what is anon abusing his anonymity to get away with?
To post about controversial opinions and topics, that isn’t to say /pol/ isn’t doing that, but the frequency of it has definitely dwindled with the rise of megapedes. I already posted on how anonymity is abused, where one viciously critique and pass off critique under the defense of irony and individuality (/pol/ is not one person! Board of peace)

>You think there is less consensuses on r/politics or le_donald? more diverse opinions in the NYT or on fox news? msnbc?
I have never made my point about consensus so I don’t see why you are harping on it.

>Your obsession with /pol/ just exposes you as a normie who cant handle seeing illegal thoughts like racism freely expressed. Those dam racists on /pol/ hiding behind anonymity to say mean things need to be stopped huh?
/v/ and /tv/ is also suffering from the same problems of shitstorm over outside stupidity. I only mentioned /pol/ because people are pushing the NPC shit they created, how is that obsessed? And no I posted on /pol/ before on a regular basis but tuned out after 2016.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:28:59 2018 No.11771157 >>11770678 >censored by Silicon Valley It was one butthurt mod bruv

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:29:34 2018 No.11771160 >>11771081 >>11771151 please dont let this thread devolve into people shouting about pol

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:31:18 2018 No.11771165

>>11771151
i still post in syria threads but it's exhausting to see a legion of kneejerking Assad drones who think it's just the proper right-wing thing to do to support a panicked failure with no principles beyond murdering wantonly in the name of preventing his own political exile

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:36:50 2018 No.11771188

>>11771165
The moment I realized shit is fucked was when rumors of Elizabeth Warren could be Clinton’s running mate. Beforehand in the saga over TPP, a pinned thread was made in /pol/, where some anon told me in great detail and nuance why Warren (who vehemently opposed TPP) will never become vice-president. Yet in 2016, the constant shitposting of Warren’s Ponchotas shit, that anon’s analysis is nowhere in sight. I tried my best to emulate his thoughts but no one listened to me, instead posting how they want Warren to take VP to make Clinton lose. My opinion of /pol/ never recovered then

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:41:46 2018 No.11771206

>>11771188
it's incredible how much people are willing to make shit up to support a fantasy that doesn't even benefit themselves, but their "team" winning something. Like everybody wants to cash in on the vicarious dopamine rush of watching the vote they cast win the election, or their baseball team emerge victorious.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:45:57 2018 No.11771218

>>11771151
> ah yes people abuse each sometimes they call each other shills
not sure what point your making pol isnt the only place people call others shills if you think that is some kind of special thing?

not sure how you don't see the connection between your claim /pol/ ignores critiques by using anonymity and the level of division on /pol/. What does not ignoring criticism look like? Do you want a official memo to the world apologizing for twitter threads? /pol/ literally isn't one person and people on /pol/ complain about twitter threads all the time. You want someone to step forward and say we /pol/ are sorry for saying such and such that was wrong, thats not how it works because /pol/ isn't one person and it not working like that is fine and not an abuse of anonymity, individual people still say /pol/ was wrong in general about this and this and this on /pol/ all the time. le_donald lowering quality of /pol/ doesn't have anything to do with anonymity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:47:10 2018 No.11771223 >>11769909 /lit/ was never good

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:54:20 2018 No.11771253 >>11771165 Not sure how you can post in syria threads and be this delusional about assad and why people support him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 23:10:11 2018 No.11771308 >>11770946 The closest thing we have now is sports rivalries and football hooliganism. It's just not the same.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 23:12:12 2018 No.11771314

>>11771218
>not sure what point
The point I am making is while divisions do exist in /pol/, it like so many other places is not welcome or celebrated.

>not sure how you don't see the connection between your claim /pol/ ignores critiques by using anonymity and the level of division on /pol/.
I don’t and seeing how you are failing to attempt to say otherwise by asking frivolous questions on what I want /pol/ to do isn’t helping me understand it either. I don’t want /pol/ to do anything, merely describing how they use anonymity to hide and launch criticisms. Again with phrases like /pol/ is not one person and board of peace, /pol/ (or boards like /v/ and /tv/) can pass off any form of continuity or solidarity to any person or event to ensure they have the moral highgroud.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 23:44:08 2018 No.11771406

>>11771314
>like so many other places is not welcome or celebrated
Yes like so many other places people on one side of a divide don't welcome people on the other side. With no relation to anonymity.

Can I demand you defend lynching niggers right now and then demand you defend communism? Then I will say anon at it again hiding behind anonymity if you say you don't agree with those things? Anon. isn't. one. person. Its not just a meme, think about what it actually means. Your not complaining about abuse of anonymity your complaining about anonymity. You haven't even described how you think they abuse anonymity to hide from and launch criticism you just said they do it. But they don't, they just criticize and respond to criticism anonymously. You just don't like how anonymity works, most people don't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 00:39:13 2018 No.11771580 >>11770758 Tried my best And I'm moving to nyc in three weeks lol end meeting

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 00:53:58 2018 No.11771635 >>11766375 I've noticed this too. My peers don't vote in the local elections but love talking shit about the federal government and trump and this and that Although I'm pretty sure a few of them don't even vote in the general election either

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 01:17:06 2018 No.11771708 >>11765114 https://cultural-discourse.com/on-hypermodernity/ real shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 01:39:38 2018 No.11771775 >>11766413 you have piqued my interest, please post your favorites of such essays

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 02:04:18 2018 No.11771852 >>11771066 The large cities are really uncannily inhumane. I live in a post-industrial waste of a small city and it unironically feels more hospitable and comfy than the nearby urban center.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 02:09:41 2018 No.11771865

>>11771406
>With no relation to anonymity.
But I never made it about anonymity, only to point out that online communities has a collective culture and for /pol/‘s case ideology despite individual identity. That isn’t to say that said ideology is consistent or precise over the years, but attempts to deny its existence based on some disagreement is willful ignorance.

Again I don’t see why are you asking even more stupid question? Hell I do agree that anon isn’t one person, but pointing out the hypocrisy of how they criticize groups as if they are.

Indeed it is the difficultyof pinpoint every anonymous poster that makes it hard to criticize. Hell, your impotency in trying to attach allegations after allegations on me is proof of it (if I truly hate anonymity why am I posting here?), you don’t know enough background on me to make proper descriptions on me. With this veil of anonymity, any attempt to criticize can only be based on meaningless projection. The groups that /pol/ loves to shit on can only be defensive in this very titled discourse. Ironic that Moot wanted a place where people can say what they want free from their status and identity, yet many have used it to criticize everyone’s status and identity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 02:11:35 2018 No.11771869 >>11771775 Posted this already, check out the work of Lewis Mumford

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 02:17:10 2018 No.11771883

>>11771852
To live truly comfortably in a city without being exorbitantly rich, it needs to be a small to medium sized city. At about >500,000 population cap you start dealing with all the dystopic emergent properties of a dense urban area. Cities don't scale well. More trash, more noisy poors and vagabonds, more crime, more cost, less space, and fewer resources and personnel to counteract the negatives.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 02:32:38 2018 No.11771908 >>11771708 I day I grow closer to ending it desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 02:40:41 2018 No.11771922 >>11770078 You sound bitter and pretentious

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 02:49:33 2018 No.11771947 >>11771922 t. npc

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 03:07:42 2018 No.11771983

>>11771865
Anonymity is good purely because it enrages disingenuous little shits like you.

>boo hoo I can't convert people at swordpoint anymore, those nasty bigots are abusing the noble spirit of anonymity that Saint Moot championed

You're a slimy little shit, and I'm glad /pol/'s retarded antics infuriate you.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 03:20:39 2018 No.11772007
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>>11771983
Lmao I am not the one seething like a disingenuous little shit like you are right now.

>boo hoo I can't convert people at swordpoint anymore, those nasty bigots are abusing the noble spirit of anonymity that Saint Moot championed
More meaningless projection. I don’t think it is necessarily an abuse, merely pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in this discourse.

>You're a slimy little shit, and I'm glad /pol/'s retarded antics infuriate you.
Yet I am not the one fuming the entire conversation, with vicious ad homeniem and hostile tone. I do feel confusement over anything else on the usage of NPC though.

Although you seethe with no argument for the past few hours so this is my (you). Take the last word to salvage whatever dignity you have left, I think you will need it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 03:21:51 2018 No.11772011 >>11772007 >Although you seethe with no argument for the past few hours although you seethe with no argument for the past few hours is getting tiresome

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 03:58:12 2018 No.11772063 >>11766339 bot?

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 07:44:32 2018 No.11772537

>>11770899
>you will never infuse yourself within the local urban history and culture, practicing the traditions, and bettering yourself with the eventual goal of increasing the glory of your city
This is the most cringeworthy pseud tripe I've ever seen here. You're the exact sort of pretentious retard who wrecks the oh-so precious "culture" you're masturbating over.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 07:53:41 2018 No.11772561

>>11771160
Isn't that the 4change relevant form of what is being discussed here? Those who can handle ideas that are difficult or different and those who cannot.

Take the Democrat-Left coalition in the US who cannot accept that they lost an election and the whole corporate media machine is incestuous with them that they are willing to spin any story for them. Did you know that Feinstein had a Chinese spy working for her? Or that her husband benefits from deals made to China? Why was the DC elite bemoaning the death of John McCain, a man who never saw a war he didn't like and was allowed to crash his plane in Vietnam because he was the son of an Admiral? You have to look at the world today and say something isn't adding up.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 08:01:35 2018 No.11772591

>tfw live in NYC
>neighborhood is slowly turning into a 2nd China-town
>certain streets now smell like high fishy hell
>schools are flooded full of little Chinese kids outperforming everyone
>price of real estate is sky rocketing because they come over from China with ill gotten money and buy houses directly with cash
They all seem pretty middle class though, they run small businesses, etc... What I don't understand is why articles like in the OP don't name the causes of gentrification instead of dangling around the word waiting for it to be (wrongly) associated with whites by purposeful lack of elaboration. There are fucking 3 bubble tea places now on the block where I work. 3. Let that sink in.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 08:03:30 2018 No.11772594

>>11772537
This. Doesn't he know only alt-rightists and Russians care about having a say in politics? We enlightened Progressives have ACTUAL culture, like California rolls, La Seniorita, and Nike shoes.

An upboat to you for the Pseud meme, I must as kind gentlesir!

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 08:07:47 2018 No.11772606

>>11770083
>>This guy literally transfuses the blood of the young into himself to live longer, NOTHING he says is anything other than vapid silicon valley meme shit
You clearly haven't listened to anything he actually said...yet have an opinion. He's very critical of the typical silicon valley what have you. Leftists hate his guts, and yes, the two groups hugely overlap.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 08:11:06 2018 No.11772616 >>11772594 What I said has nothing to do with the meaningless party lines of muh politics and everything to do with his (your?) outlook being what turns places into cultural wastelands. Fetishization of culture as a resource inevitably cheapens it.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 08:15:07 2018 No.11772631

>>11771883
>More trash, more noisy poors and vagabonds, more crime
This is what made cities good before they were destroyed by yuppies and tourists. Now everything is sanitized, commercialized, overpoliced, tightly controlled, under surveillance. Literally every city was more lit and more alive when degeneracy and scum were allowed to prosper. Paris is the biggest downfall, from the center to the banlieues the whole place is just under military occupation or under tourist occupation.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 08:16:19 2018 No.11772633

>>11772616
What is cheapening all Western cultures (and all cultures in general) now is capitalism and comoditifaction of everything. Cultures are being packaged like cheap underwear to be worn by midwits who like to feel different and unique while doing what everyone else is doing.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 08:30:44 2018 No.11772662
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>>11772631
>Literally every city was more lit and more alive when degeneracy and scum were allowed to prosper
I have some good news for you about Paris

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 08:34:41 2018 No.11772671 >>11772633 On the proleish and pseudoproleish pop-culture level, sure. On the supposedly refined elite level excess wankery to the idea of being "properly" cultured unlike those dirty plebs is a posture is its own sort of cancer.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 08:47:17 2018 No.11772701

>>11772662
>I have some good news for you about Paris
That's not actually what Paris looks like. Which is why it's a noteworthy picture, and why you posted it because it represents an extreme vision that is not the reality. Paris actually looks like hordes of chinese and american tourists walking around while military men with FAMAS guns. It doesn't even smell like piss anymore because they put up cute urinals and shit. Horrible.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 09:28:09 2018 No.11772811

>>11771865
It was about anonymity from the start scroll up and refresh your decrepit brain. Every post you make is crying about how anonymity works while calling it "abuse of anonymity", now you turn around and try to say me pointing that out is projection, do you even know what projection is? I never tried to make any allegations, I just pointed out what you said you didn't like, "abuse of anonymity", was actually just exactly how anonymity always works. But I'll repeat the allegation I made in the first place which is that your a retarded boomer that needs to turn off the computer and tune into his NPC box.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 11:04:41 2018 No.11773125 >>11772662 what % of lit has been to paris

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 11:45:15 2018 No.11773267

>>11773125
I can't imagine its very large because only people who have never visited europe push this retarded vision that its either a warzone with roving bands of refugees smashing things up or a multicultural utopia of tolerance and compassion. The truth is unironically in the middle this time.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 12:21:36 2018 No.11773380

>>11772537
Nigga shut your fucking hole, you nothing about me or the shit you are criticizing. I'm not even white faggot, I just like Italian urban history and design. You know nothing of the mentality of medieval communal structure and what the city meant to it's citizens. Fuck off faggot, thinking calling anything you don't like or understand as 'psued' is the cringiest shit possible

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 12:33:44 2018 No.11773416
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>>11770899
The city state was the peak of Western civilization and I refuse to hear otherwise. Everyone who isn't a fucking total pseud should be politically involved, attempting to increase the sovereignty of their community and developing an identity distinct from the national one, which in many cases (eg, the united states) doesn't even fucking exist beyond vague platitudes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:09:09 2018 No.11773543 >>11773416 fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:10:06 2018 No.11773548 >>11773543 This is an example of a guy you could have exiled from your city state

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:21:36 2018 No.11773597 >>11773125 If you're European and at least middle class you've been in all major capitals at least once.

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>>11772591
That's racist. When Chinese come over, refuse to adopt to local customs, segregate themselves in tiny ethnic enclaves, price everyone out of the neighborhood, it's making the neighborhood more vibrant and diverse and cultural.

Basically, you have to get this eurocentric white imperialistic idea that culture is something organic, that develops over prolonged interaction between a group of people and their environment, out of your head. Culture is actually the number of boxes you can check in the next census. If you all listen to the same NYT endorsed rap albums and smoke weed and wear nike shoes, then you also win more cultural value points. This doesn't apply to Native Americans of course (their land being stolen), but it does to the agrarian white communities in the immediately proximity of most native reserves.

Of course, the anticolonialist revolution is always a tricky one. For example, one must constantly suppress the negative effects of white european oppressors that have been ingrained in colonized populations. Examples such as getting rid of genders from the spanish language, and making it more like English, which has only been taken up recently by many Latinx indigenous folk as a struggle against the ongoing system of colonialist domination. Or look at India, which has only recently legalized homosexuality (throwing off centuries of western prejudice), but still has to "do something" about its child bride problem. Luckily a whole generation of upper class western educated folk are working tirelessly to throw off this colonialist mentality and make India a first world country. Don't even get me started on many Muslims problematic tendency to actually take their religion seriously. Like, not only is it a struggle to normalize femme people wearing the Hijab, but on the other side Islamic clerics are actually trying to push this outdated and problematic religious text on the whole community. An activists work is never done!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:28:56 2018 No.11773630 >>11773613 What happens when your work is done? Is it even possible?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:37:01 2018 No.11773669 >>11773125 depends what hour the posts are coming from. almost all the european and brit posters would have been, and almost all the american probably haven't. Thus >>11772662 was probably an American shitposting with his phone in his bed this morning

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:38:23 2018 No.11773674

>>11772631
You sound like someone who has never really lived in a poor city. It's dangerous hell. Weapons and ill intent are abundant. Anyone with any hope or prospects guards their life carefully. The wealthy lived in fortified compounds and secured towers. It's not happy.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:41:39 2018 No.11773686

>>11773674
>You sound like someone who has never really lived in a poor city. It's dangerous hell. Weapons and ill intent are abundan
Of course I was talking about Western (and basically European) cities. Third world cities and American cities hardly qualify as ever being lit and alive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:42:27 2018 No.11773689 >>11773380 Pseud roody poo babby shat its diapy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:44:23 2018 No.11773695 >>11767004 Give me Chinese over Irish any fucking day

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:48:15 2018 No.11773707 >>11773613 nice

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:49:13 2018 No.11773711 >>11773695 Spoken like a true rootless international.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:49:50 2018 No.11773714

>>11773674
Also, you can still find those gritty poor areas if you're so eager to idealize poverty like some hipster scumbag. You'll just have to hang out with a bunch of blacks, latinos or Arabs your racist fucks.

Speaking of America only, it is full of many beautiful hidden gems and medium scale cities you never hear about. I come from one that had its fair share of authentic local culture and lived-in atmosphere.

You won't hear about any celebrities having their posh apartments there but there have been a few famous people from there (including a famous writer wink wink) and an award winning film was recorded there.

Except for a small nucleus of gentrification downtown it is mostly filled with the Irish-American and French-Canadian American second and third generation Americans, as well as your expected share of latinos and blacks as you would expect in any city in the US these days. The yuppy horde is still sticking to the nearest major city like flies to shit, so they aren't such a determinative influence on the culture.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:50:53 2018 No.11773720

>>11773711
I'm lowkey white nationalist. I love all european peoples except the irish. They are drunk, squalid, ignorant people. They should have been wiped out a long time ago. Slavs? No problem. Germans? Cool. Italians? Love them. But fuck the irish.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:51:12 2018 No.11773722

>>11773686
Haha spoken like a true eurocunt. European cities are often nicer than American cities I admit, but Europeans are either boring or metrosexual fags. American cities are where you find the money-making ideas, the empire-building enterprises and start-ups, and the rest. Europe is too comfortable. Enjoy your Arabs!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:53:13 2018 No.11773731 >>11773720 Irish people are basically the Australians of Europe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:54:08 2018 No.11773738 >>11773722 >the money-making ideas >the empire-building enterprises and start-ups Americanism was a mistake

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:55:09 2018 No.11773743 >>11773731 Aren't Australians all daft cunts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:55:53 2018 No.11773747 >>11773731 They're most of the Australians of Australia too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:55:59 2018 No.11773750 >>11773720 Spoken like a a rootless international or a some bland flavor of brown.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 13:59:50 2018 No.11773764 >>11773720 >lowkey Low energy. Why should anything "low key" ever matter to anyone?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:00:59 2018 No.11773769 >>11773720 Honestly it wouldn't be so bad if they weren't so catholic

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:02:51 2018 No.11773777 >>11773764 low key means that I don't say "fuck the jews" during thanksgiving or job interviews, you fucking autist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:04:07 2018 No.11773781 >>11773769 That is their only redeeming quality though

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:05:01 2018 No.11773782 >>11773777 I only say fuck the jews on Christmas though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:12:13 2018 No.11773806 >>11773781 >it's ok to get drunk every night and fight strangers then beat your wife because god forgives you later if you ask >every week no

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:13:35 2018 No.11773810 >>11773806 Italians, Spaniards, et al don't have that problem. That is just Irish character showing it's true form. Catholicism probably does enable them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:16:14 2018 No.11773820 >>11773720 The two Irish people I know are both professors and are both very smart. Is that why they left Ireland?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:24:44 2018 No.11773856 >>11773820 They probably have scotch, anglo, or scandinavian blood.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:25:37 2018 No.11773859 >>11773820 By ignorant he means we used an alternate definition to our advantage near him, a purported first language speaker of English.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:27:18 2018 No.11773867 >>11773859 > an alternate definition to our advantage near him, Give anon back his ladder.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:28:19 2018 No.11773871 >>11773867 He said to hold on to it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:54:27 2018 No.11773957 >>11770899 > You will never die of syphilis of leprosy at the age of 16 i can live with it

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 14:59:02 2018 No.11773974

>>11773957
>everyone in the past died before the age of 20 somehow
>let’s ignore the recent increase in mortality rates among the last several generations
>eating corn syrup with every meal is much healthier than some gross farm food that probably wasn’t even pasteurized

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 15:35:18 2018 No.11774092 >>11765122 This post brought to you by a bourgeois plant seeking to sew discontent even amoung the scholars as the upcoming war brews.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 16:06:37 2018 No.11774209 >>11771015 based fuck SF

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 16:24:02 2018 No.11774287 >>11773630 If liberals weren't upset about something, they'd need to find something else to change about people.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 16:39:15 2018 No.11774366

Fuck, this hit me just recently. I grew up in a trashy little ghetto, got moved to the suburbs as a teen when my parents divorced, and now I'm in this community college sociology class.

Half the books are just insisting that "society" is this big, dragonesque creature thing that nobody can control. Nobody in cities seems to have any concept that "society" is just made up of individuals. It's really easy to change, and it's really easy to fuck up, but everyone feels like such a small bee in an Earth-sized hive that everyone has this big defeatist attitude about "society", "social facts" and "how things are" as if it's some unmovable, concrete mountain. It's really unsettling.

Pirate "The Practical Skeptic: Core Concepts in Sociology" by Lisa McIntyre. Read for yourself how people, and especially students, in cities are brought up to think of the community around them.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 16:45:39 2018 No.11774400

>>11774366
From my personal experience "local society" is really about the effort of single individuals or a small group who gather other people around them. It's the one ex-sportsman who sets up the neighbourhood soccer team, or that city councilor's wife who runs the library used book sale. They create the institutions which continue their work after they're gone, but it's impossible to impose them from the top-down. If you don't put the effort in nothing will happen, and in today's cities people don't really feel connected enough to take that risk or put in that effort. Partly because the city population is so transient, but also partly because the idea of a "neighbourhood" in a city is a rapidly fading idea as people treat the area where they live more as a dormitory than a place where a full life can be lived. Instead they take the subway or a Uber to the appropriate district, perhaps twenty minutes away.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 17:07:32 2018 No.11774509

>>11774400
Building on your point, I'd argue that one of the biggest problems with (North) American society is that it's built around the automobile. There's very little in terms of a public sphere, no town squares or gardens or castles or communes, just streets running like scars across the city, allowing people to get from discontinuous point A to point B.

Imagine a city without roads. No matter how large, you'd be restricted (for the most part) to whatever is within walking distance. Shops wouldn't be grouped together in large shopping malls, but dispersed evenly throughout the population area.

In one of Borge's earlier essays, he observes how time moves more slowly for the horse and buggy than the automobile. In the former, a slow string of experiences and sensations lead you from one area to the next. In the latter, you are boxed away in a airtight tube and zipped from one spot to another, without time to observe the world around you.

Then there's also the North American work ethic, which is frankly toxic to culture. Solid relationships aren't formed by bought experiences, nights out clubbing or shopping, or even shared interests. They're formed by spending days sitting on the street corner in lawn chairs, watching the world go past and bullshitting one another. This doesn't happen in America. In South America, at least the poorer areas, its not uncommon for people to just take some lawn chairs to the front yard and drink tea all day long. In the USA, if you did this, you'd be considered a lazy idiot. I can't think of a single time I've seen people just sit around on the street corner doing nothing in this country.

And don't even get me started on industrial farming. If there's one way to kill a civilization, it's that. Destroys the very foundation of local economies and turns land ownership into a luxury commodity rather than a human right.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 17:18:39 2018 No.11774559

>>11774509
Let me tell you, that's absolutely a city problem. There's still so much bullshitting and sitting out on porches basically everywhere in America that doesn't have 3 Starbucks within a block from eachother; go to Wisconsin, drive around on a Sunday. Kids playing in yards, people sitting on the porch having a beer and talking about the workweek. Whole towns get together for Superbowl pot-luck parties. Some places are still almost Norman Rockwell paintings.

That's why there's such a huge culture divide in America. All that stuff is such a clash for the city people, who think that living is antiquated or immoral, or that those people are the "proletariat" and should be fighting the dragon of society. Really, small town folks just want to raise their corn and watch their football. People brought up in cities can't comprehend that. They think it's simple living, and people who go for it are either stupid or somehow pitiful, "wasting their lives".

It's rough times for people living in cities.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 17:24:55 2018 No.11774590 >>11774366 >>11774400 >>11774509 >>11774559 Totally agree. It's the Anglo-Jewish capitalism that's toxic to human interaction and society.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 17:38:28 2018 No.11774641

>>11773125
I recently came back from Europe but I was advised by my friend from France to not visit Paris. Instead I went to Lyon for Bastille Day and the World Cup, and while there I saw nothing but hordes of Arabs and Africans walking the streets.

When I was walking back to the hostel I was staying I found myself in an intersection filled to the brim with Arabs and Africans. They were all dancing to shit music and I even saw a fight break out between a group of Arabs and a group of Africans.

As I made my way out of this group and turned the street corner I saw three cars lit on fire, with the police there trying to put it out, and this was around a hundred feet away. The Africans and Arabs I was near started to throw bottles at the cops, and the cops began pushing them back. I took this chance to follow these urban youth to see what would happen, and I began trying to find if anyone spoke English so I could speak to them about this event.

I asked them how often interactions like this occur, and almost everyone I asked said it happened at least 3 times a year, most notably on New Years and May Day. They then proceeded to call the cops racist. I eventually came across a group of white people walking through this, and I could tell they were scared. I asked them how often clashes between civilians and the police happen, to which they responded never. They then try to get me to go with them, saying it wasn’t safe to stay here. I told them I was fine, and they left.

Eventually the cops hit us with tear gas from a side street, and they hit everyone on the legs with batons. I got out of that by saying I was an American, and they pushed me off to the side. After this I began to walk to the hostel, and when I was two blocks away I was stopped by two Arabs. They told me to give them my phone, to which I told them no and told them to fuck off. They then proceeded to act tough, but since I was a good 6-7 inches taller and had at least 50 lbs on each of them they fucked off.

Off topic, I know, but I felt like sharing this.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 17:51:41 2018 No.11774705

>>11774590
Please, tell me more, mister Marx sir! Gee, you sure are smart, and know a whole lot about those non-city people.

You ever actually lived in a small town? It's not economics and /pol/ish Jewmongering, it's scale. Large congregations of people forced by, not only work, but by the very structure of their physical environment, is what destroys people like this. Stores all lined up in perfect road lines, so everyone who shops is at the same place all the time. Houses all rowed into hyper-specific complexes, so you have no sense of the outside world, and yet all the houses are the same so you're constantly aware that everyone around you leads almost the exact same life you do. You go to the exact same places at the exact same times as everyone else within a 20 mile radius, yet you never see anyone you know anywhere you go because the sheer population size makes it almost statistically impossible.

When someone is raised in a crowded home, they develop an unhealthy perception of how to live with other people. When someone is raised in a crowded society, they develop an unhealthy perception of how to live with other people. Money contributes to this, but the underlying cause is closer to human nature.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 17:52:24 2018 No.11774709 >>11774705 >it's scale. SCALE

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 17:55:45 2018 No.11774722 >>11774705 I'm not a Marxist but I am an anti-capitalist.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 18:13:15 2018 No.11774788

>>11774641
>happened at least 3 times a year, most notably on New Years and May Day
It's essentially traditional for Arab/African youth to set cars on fire on New Years in France. Normally something between 500 and 1000 cars are burned in the suburbs of Paris each New Years. There are articles about it every year, even in the English-speaking press.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 18:21:17 2018 No.11774813

>>11765114
can someone do this boomer a favor and gas him already? declension narrative, muh authenticity, muh halcyon youth, le evil silicon valley is responsible for this, jesus christ give me a break. im torn between nausea and a laughing fit to see leftists, in the same moment they gentrify a neighborhood, will point fingers at rightists for housing discrimination or talk about how modern day segregation is an important issue. how they wax nostalgic like this author about how the city used to be this or that way that was better in the past over dinner at the trendy new local organic place

do intellectuals truly rest at night?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 18:21:40 2018 No.11774817 >>11774641 Yeah, but where would we be without falafel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 18:31:22 2018 No.11774850 >>11766121 >It's a shame that rural areas are so hostile towards art wtf are you smoking? visit vermont

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 19:15:40 2018 No.11775010 >>11765281 This ultimately is a choice. Try and meet locals, stop posting your pics on instagram, and just enjoy random places. You're post reeks of 'i want to be special snowflake syndrome.'

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 23:30:10 2018 No.11776023
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>>11765542
>>11765577
Most of Houston is like any other big city...a hellhole with pretentious white people and low-income minorities. It's especially sad with sprawl, as you get to see what was once middle-class suburbs, even in the early 2000s, turn to boarded-up shitholes right before your eyes.

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 23:34:52 2018 No.11776049
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>>11774509
>Imagine a city without roads. No matter how large, you'd be restricted (for the most part) to whatever is within walking distance. Shops wouldn't be grouped together in large shopping malls, but dispersed evenly throughout the population area.
Oh great, so it would be just like medieval times. Don't find anything interesting in the CVS, the dollar store, and the beer supply store within walking distance? Sucks to be you! You probably also think that suburbs didn't exist until after World War II.

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>>11774705
>When someone is raised in a crowded home, they develop an unhealthy perception of how to live with other people. When someone is raised in a crowded society, they develop an unhealthy perception of how to live with other people. Money contributes to this, but the underlying cause is closer to human nature.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 00:53:21 2018 No.11776366 >>11776049 Do you think humanity spent thousands of years domesticating horses and mules to the point they became extinct in the wild just for shits and giggles?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 01:00:47 2018 No.11776397 >>11776348 that's not urban though.

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