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>considers himself well read
>hasn't read the entire unabridged Mahābhārata in the original Sanskrit
Explain yourself /lit/. It's only ten times the length of the Iliad and Odyssey combined

>> No.11762972

>>11762964
Have you read it?

>> No.11762978

>>11762964
Why would I read something so useless to the world I live in?

>> No.11762991

>>11762964
I've read it in english, am still cool now?

>> No.11763276

>>11762978
Because it's one of the great masterpieces of world literature, as influential and as artistically superb as the works of Homer or the Bible. You aren't... Eurocentric are you?
>>11762991
You can stay

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11763284

>reading pajeet scribbles

>> No.11763288

I'm not a pajet.

>> No.11763293

>>11762964
kek

>> No.11763304

>considers himself well read
thats where ur wrong kiddo

>> No.11763605

I'm going to learn Sanskrit but in the meantime will read the Bibek Debroy translation, although I've heard his translation isn't very literary.

>> No.11763627

>>11763276
But classical literature of both India and Europe originate from the same tradition so it isn't a case of eurocentricity

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>>11762964
I've been studying Sanskrit for 2 years now. Now starting with the Vedasamhitas (using translated text and original side-by-side). Gotta go for the Upanishads and Brahmanas later on. Mahabharata and Ramayana are after that, and then there's still Grammarians, Kamasutram and Kalidasa. Would like to read all of those in the original but this would probably take 10 years full study time.

>> No.11763659

>>11763284
What exactly is happening in that pic?

>> No.11763786

>>11763627
>muh indo Europeans
The western literary tradition was derived from Mesopotamia, not your horsebois.

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>>11763786

>> No.11763827

>>11763786
Sumerians were Aryans too.

>> No.11763837

>>11763799
>not even naming any similarities between western and Indian literature and just assuming they were similar based on a linguistic relationship
IE is the lazy man's conclusion

>> No.11763851

>>11763827
Yeah, they weren't. That theory was debunked when Europe got over their nationalist autism.
>inb4 blue-eyed statue
>inb4 (((academia)))
>inb4 their word for goat cheese sounded similar

>> No.11763861

>>11763837
From the rigveda to the Iliad, both depict horse-taming armies and gods with fair-complexion, blonde hair, and grey eyes.

>> No.11763866

>>11763851
It was "debunked" because it became politically incorrect.

>> No.11763898

>>11763284
>not realizing that toilets are just as much manifestations of the all-pervading infinite God as anything else and thus no less and no more deserving of worship than anything else

>> No.11763923

>>11763898
As a Hindu, i object to your strange pantheistic synthesis of vulgar material objects as manifestations of the transcendent Deity.

>> No.11763936

>>11763866
>muh sjws
But they conveniently spared the rest of the IE scientific dialogue which is thriving. It was dropped because there was not enough evidence, geographic/chronologic absurdity, and it became obvious that Europeans just wanted credit for the first civilization.

>>11763861
>horse-taming armies
>fair-skinned, blonde hair, grey eyes
Call me when you have something more profound than cosmetic features.

>> No.11763985

>>11763936
The entire academic establishment dropped race-based science and anthropology when it was no longer seen as Kosher following the defeat of the Axis powers in WW2. The very unscientific Boasian anthropology then was used as a replacement. Darwinism prevails as an explanatory model for diversity of living organisms yet it is taboo to use it as an explanatory model for human group differences.

Your precious contemporary " scholarly" community accepts the absurdity of afrocentric arguments while pouring vitriol on any one brave enough to speak the truth about former civilizations.

>> No.11763997

just watch the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EENh1hxkD6E&t=

>> No.11764006

>>11763936
>Call me when you have something more profound than cosmetic features.
Not that anon, but
>trifunctional society
>cyclical universe
>triple diety
>deus phater
>chaoskampf
This is all just off the top of my head

>> No.11764088

>>11762978
In that case you might as well just read endless DIY manuels as all fiction is supposedly "useless".

>> No.11764092

>>11763284
>Thinking that those ancient indians weren't blond-haired blue-eyed Aryans

>> No.11764097

>>11764092
There are people that unironically think that the Vedic northerners and the Dravidian southerners are the same thing

>> No.11764121

I wanna read the Avesta. From where should I buy?

>> No.11764140

>>11764097
That sounds like mughal propaganda

>> No.11764146

>>11763985
>race based
This is linguistics. Sumer is under the same rules as any other place. The genetic confirmation of the IE hypothesis happened after WW2, when the technology was available. Get your conspiracy shit out of here.
>kosher
(((Subtle)))
>anyone brave enough to speak the truth
I envy the courage it takes to agree with everyone on /pol/. March forth, you courageous paragon.

>>11764006
>dyeus phater
The chief god of any pantheon is almost always a sky/sun god.
>chaoskampf
Appeared in Mesopotamia, Japan, Egypt, and even the Congo.
>cyclical universe
I don't see this in Greek myth.
>trifunctional society
Didn't even occur in half of IE civilizations
>triple diety
Does this refer to the fate-weavers?
I'm not even trying to discount IE influence. I obviously know it exists and can't be ignored. I'm saying it can't always be the first conclusion you draw, that outside influences need to be considered, and that these cultures have become radically different since they split.

>> No.11764345

>>11764146
>The chief god of any pantheon is almost always a sky/sun god.
I think that's mostly an IE thing.
Weren't Semites mostly storm/mountain gods?

>I don't see this in Greek myth.
It's there m8
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenesis

>Didn't even occur in half of IE civilizations
Which ones didn't?

>Does this refer to the fate-weavers?
No, it refers to the constant triple diety tropes

>> No.11764491

>tfw thread about ancient indian literature descends into shitposting
Is the Mahabharata worth a read? What about the Ramayana? Are they on par with Homer as mentioned up in the thread? What's a good translation, am not patrician enough to learn Sanskrit.

>> No.11764525

>>11764491
Well as far as the Mabharata is concerned , there are aesthetically beautiful English abridgements but unfortunately the two unabridged English translations are more dry and literal.

>> No.11764545

>>11764525
How would you rate the Penguin one?

>> No.11764549

>>11764491
You should not undermine your abilities to learn a new language, first get a taste of various texts in Translation, find a literary tradition that appeals to you and strive to learn the language so you can read it in the original.

>> No.11764560

>>11764545
If you mean the Bibek Debroy unabridged translation, it is literal but dry, it doesn't convey the beauty of the original. Still, if you want to read the entire Mahabharata, it isn't bad. The abridged penguin classics should be avoided. As far as abridgements are concerned, Menon is highly regarded for his retelling of the Mahabharata and Ramayana.

>> No.11764815

>>11764088
Um fiction is useful for understanding of my own culture....why would I read indian literature in Sanskrit when most of their own country is illiterate?