/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11748769]

>hurr I like Tolstoy AND Dostoevsky
Ultimate pleb filter. Sorry, but you can only choose one to like, and have to regard the other with loathing, or at least with cold contempt. Make your choices /lit/izens.

[Anonymous No.11748775]

>>11748769
Dosto all the way.

[Anonymous No.11748776]

>>11748769
That doesn’t really make sense, they liked and appreciated each other’s work, why can’t I?

[Anonymous No.11748780]

>>11748776
It's the law. Obey the law.

[Anonymous No.11748783]

>>11748776
Because unlike them, we're all a bunch of contentious, tribalistic retards.

Tolstoy is my choice. Furthermore, I would like to wish >>11748775 horrible misfortune.

[Anonymous No.11748784]

>>11748769
Frodo Dostoievski had cooler titles and characters.

[Anonymous No.11748785]

>>11748769
I choose Dostoevsky because he looks better than Tolstoy

[Anonymous No.11748787]

>>11748769
Tolstoy is the easy choice, though I like both.

[Anonymous No.11748788]

So I've only read Dostoyevski. How is Tolstoy's writing different so that gopniks literally kill each other because of arguing over who's better?

[Anonymous No.11748791]

>>11748783
Horrible misfortune for you as well, Anon.

[Anonymous No.11748792]

>>11748783
Agreed, and may I add I hope you die in a fire

[Anonymous No.11748795]

>>11748788
Tolstoy is the glistening surface of life. Dostoevsky is the bubbling hot depths.

[Anonymous No.11748797]

Is there any conceivable situation where one would pick Tolstoy?

[Anonymous No.11748814]

I already hate Dostoevsky so I guess I love Tolstoy even though I've read nothing by him yet

[Anonymous No.11748831]

>>11748814
If you hate Dostoevsky without having read Tolstoy then you probably won't like Tolstoy either. Maybe try reading something by Eric Carle?

[Anonymous No.11748866]

>>11748831
>If you hate Dostoevsky without having read Tolstoy then you probably won't like Tolstoy either.

Wrong. If you hate Dostoevsky you probably have an aesthetic sense and that's the subconcious source of your hate. Seeing all those characters do ridiculous stuff painted on a cardboard world without any engagement of the senses, almost a play, a theater, but without the poetic speech that plays are capable of, infuriates any artist or well read person. Go read Tolstoy.

[Anonymous No.11748872]

>>11748866
Wrong. Our world is a cardboard world. Dostoevsky's world is real. That would make Tolstoy's world an imitation of a cardboard world, which is why Tolstoy is shit.

[Anonymous No.11748874]

>>11748797
Yes. For example, one could have good taste.

[Anonymous No.11748880]

>>11748872
Dostevsky readers are thrice removed from reality.

[Anonymous No.11748947]

>>11748872
How do I reach this level of gnosis?

[Anonymous No.11748960]

>>11748874
good taste in semen maybe

[Anonymous No.11748973]

>>11748872
THIS. the whole point of literature is to be more real than real life. why would you waste time with a mere imitation? as werner herzog says, if you just want facts then read the phone directory.

[Anonymous No.11748977]

>>11748960
Alas, I lack the experience to tell good from bad. A connoisseur like you must have extensive education.

[Anonymous No.11749010]

>>11748947
Acquire Orthodox Platonism, disregard Catholic Aristotelianism

[Anonymous No.11749023]

>>11748769
Tolstoy said Shakespeare was shit so I'll be going with Dostoievski thank you very much

[Anonymous No.11749030]

>>11748973
>the whole point of literature is to be more real than real life
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.11749035]

>>11748769
Chekhov can say more in a single phrase than either of them can accomplish in tomes.

[Anonymous No.11749104]

>>11749035
>a new contender enters the arena
whoa surprise plot twist

[Anonymous No.11749138]

>>11748769
>Tolstoy: dude war is bad lmao human nature xDDD

Also this>>11748784
Crime and Punishment, Notes from Underground, Demons, The Idiot, are all 10/10 book titles.

[Anonymous No.11749150]

>>11749035
Chekhov references Tolstoy all the time.

[Anonymous No.11749154]

>>11749138
I remember thinking of the title "The Idiot" for a book when I was a kid then finding out it was already a thing. I was sad because I thought it was awesome and I hate Dostoievski ever since.

[Anonymous No.11749171]

>>11749150
And?

[Anonymous No.11749173]

>>11748769
Lolstoy, the good side of life: fancy aristocrats, nice dresses and feasts, beautiful women, food.

Dostrollevski the dark side of life: outcasts, scumbags, corruption, murder, poverty, shite.

[Anonymous No.11749180]

I can't see why you can't *enjoy* both. You don't have to agree with an author to get some enjoyment out of their work. Besides, anyone who unironically favours Tolstoy's philosophy over Dostoyevsky's is a brainlet.

t. slav

[Anonymous No.11749182]

>>11749154
You'll have to find a new title for your autobiography.

[Anonymous No.11749184]

>>11749154
You can only use an already established title if your work surpasses the other one. You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.11749190]

>>11749173
tolstoy: muh rich people issues
dosto: muh poor peoplr issues

[Anonymous No.11749196]

>>11749184
I think you'll find you're the idiot if you read my post again.

[Anonymous No.11749203]

>>11749190
>dosto: muh everyone's and especially the modern man's issues
FTFY

[Anonymous No.11749207]

>>11749196
You're the idiot, even as a kid, the first thing before naming your book is finding out if exists already.

[Anonymous No.11749238]

>taking Fedora "dude panslavism will solve everything " Dostoevsky seriously
only thing Dostoevsky pulled off well were hysterical characters and funny situations, his descriptive abilities were mediocre, his style sloppy, and his philosophy heinous

[Anonymous No.11749253]

>>11749207
I wasn't even writing a book yet I was fucking 8.
>the first thing before naming your book is finding out if exists already
That's how I found Dostoievski in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11749264]

>>11749238
t. anglo
slavophilia is the only way forward, i would rather die before seeing the west further infect my country or my neighbours

[Anonymous No.11749280]

>>11748788
Tolstoy is the glistening surface of a sewer. Dostoevsky is the bubbling hot depths.

[Anonymous No.11749287]

>>11749171
You’re gay

[Anonymous No.11749297]

>>11749264
Fuck now I REALLY hate dosto

[Anonymous No.11749308]

Dosto = beginning of 20th century
Tolstoi = end of 19th
>Ultimate pleb filter.
yeah because thinking you have to choose between them is typically pleb.

[Anonymous No.11750007]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[Anonymous No.11750019]

>>11749180
>anyone who unironically favours Tolstoy's philosophy over Dostoyevsky's is a brainlet
This. Tolstoy's writing is great but his philosophy is despicable.

[Anonymous No.11750035]

fuck em both

[Anonymous No.11750064]

joke:dostoevsky is better
woke: tolstoy is better
ascended: dostoevsky is better
Enlightened: Gogol is superior to both.

[Anonymous No.11750076]

>>11750064
bloke: oi dickens pretty good too innit?

[Anonymous No.11750088]

If I had to pick one I'd pick Dosto since the Idiot is my favourite book, but Anna and War & Peace creep into my mind months after I've read them but saying that so does the idiot and Demons.

Something about the characters in those 4 books have been on my mind for months. The Idiot makes me depressed, Demons and Anna put me in a rage for how much I hate characters in those books. War and Peace makes me happy until I think of the poor princess and the Prince Nickys

[Anonymous No.11750091]

>>11750088
>Anna
who do you hate from Anna

[Anonymous No.11750097]

>>11748769
Dostoyevski is the better comedian and his stories are funnier. My gf prefers Tolstoy, however.

[Anonymous No.11750142]

I choose neither.

[Anonymous No.11750344]

>>11750091
Anna and her brother.

[Anonymous No.11750350]

>>11748769
I've only read Dostoevsky. Does Tolstoy actually explore any themes, or is it just a long ass story?

[Anonymous No.11750353]

Bely and Goncharov for me

[Anonymous No.11750365]

>>11750019
Are they not both basically Christian existentialists?

[Anonymous No.11750371]

>>11750142

based

[Anonymous No.11750528]

>>11750365
Dostoyevsky was a devout Russian Orthodox
Tolstoy was excommunicated by the Russian Orthodox Church.
They are both existentialists, but they went in different directions.

[Anonymous No.11750629]

>>11750365
Tolstoy was basically an Arian.

[Anonymous No.11750938]

>>11748769
I read neither. I am an ultimate pleb who literally just finished reading the Iliad (not done with the Greeks). Which side should I take and why?

[Anonymous No.11750958]

This is the best /lit thread I've seen in years. Bravo Chaps.

[Anonymous No.11750982]

>>11748872
fuck, this is based

[Anonymous No.11750992]

I ride with Dosto till the day I die. Sorry Tolstoi babe, you just weren't good enough to get with me.

[Anonymous No.11750996]

>>11750142
>Kekov

[Anonymous No.11751007]

>>11748769
Fyodor for life, Tolstoy is shit

[Anonymous No.11751008]

Question. Who has better short stories?

[Anonymous No.11751014]

>>11748872
>>11748973
what pill is this?

[Anonymous No.11751190]

>>11751008
Absolutely Dusty, no fucking contest.

[Anonymous No.11751211]

>>11748797
Yes, if one has read Anna Karenina, The Kreutzer Sonata, and Three Deaths.

[Anonymous No.11751217]

Ivan ilyich and notes from underground are similar thematically

Both urge you to get serious about your life, its purposes and meaning, but one via the relatively sudden death of the body and the other via the decay of the spirit

I dont see how the two writers are incommensurable in a philosophical sense, but havent read much of either.

Tolstoy seems a lot more interested in characters and romanticism, while dosto is focused on creating intense psychological events, i guess theres that.

[Anonymous No.11751220]

>>11750064
contarian: now Lermontov (sips)... that's a REAL writer...

[Anonymous No.11751229]

Who the fuck made you the gatekeeper? I can like whoever i want, and seeing as how they both are talented i will like both. You can slip and slide up and down my taint for all i give a shit about you and your opinion of what is pleb or patrician.

[Anonymous No.11751238]

>>11751229
>Hasn't read Tolstoi or Dosto

[Anonymous No.11751272]

>>11750938
>ultimate pleb
You did better than half the people on here, because you are actually starting with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.11751392]

Dosto represently the anons.

Tolstoy representlys the chads.

It's all.

I prefer dosto, your works is better to me.

[Anonymous No.11751714]

>>11751392
Tolstoy was a literal faggot, nothing chad about him.

[Anonymous No.11751828]

dots like gets me man

[Anonymous No.11751833]

>>11748872
damn never thought of it like that

[Anonymous No.11751849]

>>11748769
>Sorry, but you can only choose one to like, and have to regard the other with loathing, or at least with cold contempt. Make your choices /lit/izens.

[Anonymous No.11752391]

>>11749264
actually im a slav from central europe
russians are niggers minus melanin
only idolized by burger tankie trannies and retarded trad larpers

[Anonymous No.11752444]

>>11752391
>t. butthurt polak

[Anonymous No.11752458]

>>11748973
>the whole point of literature is to be more real than real life
lol imagine being this spooked

[Anonymous No.11752493]

>>11750350
>Does Tolstoy actually explore any themes, or is it just a long ass story?
No, it's just meaningless words, so many words.

[Anonymous No.11752733]

>>11750350
Anna Karenina is the best long ass story ever written, so good it doesn’t even need any themes

[Anonymous No.11752735]

>>11752493
Nice words though

[Anonymous No.11752760]

>>11748769
Tolstoy actually has something to say. Dostroyevsky is just a memer only taken serious in the West because they don't get Russian lit. He's basically teen tier like Fitzgerald but Western readers are too stupid to get it.

[Anonymous No.11752917]

>>11748769
anon why are you pretending that anyone worthwhile likes tolsoyboy
especially right to my face
have you no dignity

[Anonymous No.11752926]

Tolstoy, of course.

[Anonymous No.11753003]

>>11751014
Retardpill.

[Anonymous No.11753033]

>>11748872
This is why you shouldn't do LSD kids

[Anonymous No.11753041]

>>11748960
yuo're Mom

[Anonymous No.11753093]

Russian authors are the most overrated. Such elementary literature

[Anonymous No.11753107]

>>11748769
Then why did Tolstoy consider Brothers Karamazov his bedside book?

[Anonymous No.11753117]

>>11753093
what's the advanced literature™, anon

[Anonymous No.11753132]

>>11752733
But it deals with many major themes, both political and religious among others.

[Anonymous No.11753195]

>>11753117
I would say advanced literature constitutes David Foster Wallace and Eduard Musbodijk

[Anonymous No.11753208]

>>11753195
>Musbodijk
i googled that name and the only thing that came up were posts in the /lit/ archive. is he your imaginary friend?

[Anonymous No.11754041]

>>11753208
he shows up in my google. looks like you live in a country that has banned his name from search engines. you probably live in some commie piece of shit hell hole

[Anonymous No.11754071]

>>11754041
I live in the land of the free and the home of the brave

[Anonymous No.11754556]

>>11748769
Which one is the Emacs and which one is the Vim of Russian literature?

[Anonymous No.11755209]

>>11754556
No one gives a shit about your hacker LARP

[Anonymous No.11756588]

>>11753195
>Eduard Musbodijk
wtf, the only thing about him on the internet is on /lit/

[Anonymous No.11756658]

>>11753195
But you have not published anything yet, musbodijk

[Anonymous No.11757503]

>Lolstoy
>Trollstoevsky
>Kekov

At least you can't meme the surname of Goncharov (the author of Oblomov)

[Anonymous No.11757538]

>>11757503
And yet he's the worst of them all.

[Anonymous No.11757597]

>>11748769
>Ultimate pleb filter. Sorry, but you can only choose one to like, and have to regard the other with loathing, or at least with cold contempt. Make your choices
That's weird that you say that. I love Tolstoy but absolutely loathe dostoyevsky. Is this some kind of phenomena?

[Anonymous No.11757953]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11757958]

>>11757503
That's because he's a meme all by himself

[Anonymous No.11758063]

>>11750365
Yes, but Tolstoy is heretical.

[Anonymous No.11758071]

>>11748769
>Prose
>novels
Cringe and yikespilled

[Anonymous No.11758114]

>>11750528
>>11758063
So Tolstoy is bad for not being a ridiculous denomination-obsessed traditionalist type? My main exposure to his religious views is his Confession, which I found fairly respectable. He very sincerely tried to follow Orthodoxy, it seems, but couldn't reconcile teachings about Agape etc. with absurd ritualism and tribalistic hating on other religious groups. Tolstoy was interested in religion as it is actually practiced, not religion as the abstracted theology of rich men pretending to be fundamentally correct.

It's sounding to me like Dostoyevsky is the idiot, here.

[Anonymous No.11758269]

>>11758114
That's ironic, because Dostoevsky championed the faith of the common people, of the simple and devout, while Tolstoy was an elitist snob with philanthropic pretentions.

[Anonymous No.11758593]

>>11758269
But Tolstoy also championed the faith of the common people, especially insofar as living in simple faith and adhering to the messages of Christ is not the same as rigidly adhering to a specific church.

It's sounding like there's little difference between them at all, and that people simply defend whichever one they have had the most exposure to (and conversely, attack the one they know almost nothing about). Therefore, Dostoyevsky was a hack, q.e.d.

[Anonymous No.11758640]

>>11757503
Bongcharov.

[Anonymous No.11758670]

>>11758593
But that's wrong. The simple people are the most devout church goers, the ones who are first to martyr themselves for the church, who suffer for it. Tolstoy is the typical condescending holier-than-thou elitist who thinks he knows better than the common man what's good for the common man. Tolstoy's """Christian""" philosophy never had a following among the ordinary laity because it was always geared toward pseudointellectual "free thinkers".

[Anonymous No.11759141]

>>11758670
Do you really think that folk practice of religion actually cojsistently aligns with church doctrine? If so, I highly recommend taking a walk outside and speaking to religious people. Tolstoy was interested in religious living, or faith-in-practice, not mechanical posturing and echoing in keeping with doctrine. Tolstoy was intellectually honest enough to notice different modes of religious practice and the manner in which empty denominational differences only led to the division of persons who were seeking out the same essential things, e.g. faith and agape. I do not pretend to know very much at all about Dostoyevsky, but your outlook is blatantly biased and sounds a great deal more like you have read negative things about Tolstoy than that you have actually honestly and openly read Tolstoy himself.

[Anonymous No.11759149]

>>11748769
I like Tolstoduvsky more desu

[Anonymous No.11759167]

>>11749308

What are you talking about, Tolstoy outlived and carried on writing after Dostoy died.

[Anonymous No.11759266]

Early Dostoevsky, Middle Dostoevsky, or Karamazov-era Late Dostoevsky? War and Peace-era Tolstoy, The Kreutzer Sonata-era Tolstoy, or Hadji Murat-era Tolstoy?

[Anonymous No.11759505]

>>11752391
t. pawel
can't wait for the next partition of your country

[Anonymous No.11759557]

>>11748769
Turgeniev Master race here

[Anonymous No.11759647]

>>11759149
war and le punishment bretyt goode

[Anonymous No.11759824]

>>11759647
Dead Onegin is better

[Anonymous No.11759991]

Anglo beasts CANNOT understand slavic writers

end of

[Anonymous No.11760019]

>>11748769
aryan niggers on this board can't understand high art like Dosto's or Tolstoy's so them saying they like both means as much as a jewish man saying he supports hitler holocausting his family. fucking plebs.

[Anonymous No.11761252]

>>11755209
>he doesn't write his book in Vim

[Anonymous No.11761406]

>>11750064
This. Gogol is more venerated in Russia than either

[Anonymous No.11762797]

>>11748769
dosto more like kino

[Anonymous No.11762863]

I haven't read either but I like Dostojewski because that's who Spengler told me to like: so in a way I'm a step above you really