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What are the most perspective changing books you have read?

>> No.11731638

>>11731618
L’Étranger, because I was like 13 when I read it.

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>>11731618
This book gave me a sense of cautious optimism about future events. It was needed at the time.

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>>11731618

>> No.11731666
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beelzebub's tales is unreadable gibberish. it was basically a prank on his followers. gurdjieff used to get really drunk and recite it to his followers and just crack up at himself while everyone stood around awkwardly trying to do their "inner exercises". gurdjieff is kinda based if you realize he was just pulling everyone's legs and you don't take his ideas seriously.

>> No.11731848

slaughterhouse five
the shorttimers
mein kampf
roadside picnic
martian chronicles
the bible
war and peace

>> No.11731864

>>11731618
my perspective has been most radically changed by talking in person with people about books. books on their own are just vehicles to communicate human thought, and they're low bit-rate to boot. have a human conversation and you'll change a lot more than if you just read

>> No.11731868

Genealogy of Morals, the Epic of Gilgamesh, Journey to the End of Night, Decline of the West, The Republic

>> No.11731886

>>11731618
Antifragile by Nassim Taleb.

bought it because of how divisive its reception was. one of the only books besides nietzche's genealogy and watchmen that rattled me

>> No.11731894
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>>11731886
>one of the only books besides nietzche's genealogy and watchmen that rattled me

>> No.11731933

>>11731618
I own that fucking carpet. Will post pictures if desired.

>> No.11731938

>>11731933
post em

>> No.11732022

>>11731938
ok brb

>> No.11732025
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>>11732022

>> No.11732061

>>11732025
ok so I thought the carpet was in our foyer, but I think it's actually in a room where people are currently sleeping. If this thread is alive tomorrow, I'll post it here, if not I'll post in a random thread, just search for the word CARPET in the catalog.

I will not do you wrong, anon.

>> No.11732169

Unironically Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations.

>> No.11732920

>>11732061
bump for carpet

>> No.11733009

>>11731666
Nice satanic trips, especially considering the subject of discussion.

In some respects, Beelzebub is indeed a legpull, but it’s also extremely serious and is jampacked with esoteric allegory. It’s in the Sufi tradition, I’m certain.

>> No.11733168

>>11732061
carpet

>> No.11733169

Das Kapital

>> No.11733269

>>11731666
Ive read his second book, which at face value might seem likes his memoirs if you are a brainlet, but its one parable after another one which isnt really hard to see

>> No.11733392

>>11731638
I was not able to get it at 13. I'm not sure I could barely get it today.

>> No.11733842

>>11732061
hand over the carpet pics, why are you holding out on us bro

>> No.11735060

>>11733842
bumping for carpet

>> No.11735532

>>11732061
bumping for carpet

>> No.11735533

>>11731660
Is this part of the new new trilogy?

>> No.11735544

>>11731618
tolkien
i read him as a kid, googled his life and became a religious fundamentalist

>> No.11736410

Bump for the anon with the Gurdjieff carpet.

>> No.11736428

Seconding The Stranger.

>> No.11736518

The carpet was actually Hypnagogic hallucinatory patterns. You had sleep paralysis with your eyes open lad.

>> No.11736716

>>11731618
'A personal matter' and 'never let me go' both affected me in high school, though I'm not sure how.

>> No.11736730

Maybe (You) are the carpet.

>> No.11736764

I've been living to see the promise of the carpet come true. But what if there was no carpet to begin with? What should I do now? Should I have faith and wait? Or should I move on? But where to... I'm so lost.

>> No.11736797

the carpet is died
- freddard nitestick

>> No.11736800

>>11731618
Stoner by John Williams.
Set me straight to better myself as a person and not be a 'tismo.

>> No.11736816
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This book got me LARPing as a NatSoc in 2012 in order to broaden my understanding of the mind and now I unironically love Hitler. If you do the exercises, be careful.

>> No.11736826

>>11736816
>This book got me LARPing as a NatSoc in 2012
what? how? tell us more

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>>11731618

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>> No.11736854

>>11736826
Specifically, the exercizes at the end of chapter

>1. If you are a Liberal, subscribe to the National Review, the country's most intelligent (and witty) conservative magazine, for a year. Each month try to enter their reality-tunnel for a few hours while reading their articles.
>2. If you are a Conservative, subscribe to the New York Review of Books for a year and try to get into their head-space for a few hours a month.
>3. If you are a Rationalist, subscribe to Fate magazine for a year.
4. If you are an occultist, join the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal and read their journal, The Skeptical Inquirer, for a year.
>5. Buy a copy of the Scientific American and read any article in it. Ask the following questions: Why do they sound so sure? Does the data support dogmatism at this point, or is dogma a primate habit (defending head-space)? Will these theories still be believed in 2011? In 2593?
>6. Get into a discussion of philosophy with an educated Marxist, an intelligent Moslem and a Japanese businessman at the first opportunity.
>7. Buy some ZOOM or LIFT (two names for the same caffeine-high stimulant) at a Health Food Store. (This gives a close approximation of the effects of illegal cocaine.) When you are
Zooming or Lifted and your mind is racing, find a victim and explain the universe to him or her, until they are able to escape you. What you experience in this "speed rap" is what the head of the compulsive Rationalist is always like. This is the verbal circuit gone wild and totally oblivious to information coming in on any other circuit. It explains why most people cannot stand Rationalists. "Speed" drugs evidently trigger neuro-transmitters characteristic of the verbal centers of the left cortex.

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>>11736854
>7. Buy some ZOOM or LIFT (two names for the same caffeine-high stimulant) at a Health Food Store. (This gives a close approximation of the effects of illegal cocaine.) When you are
Zooming or Lifted and your mind is racing, find a victim and explain the universe to him or her, until they are able to escape you. What you experience in this "speed rap" is what the head of the compulsive Rationalist is always like. This is the verbal circuit gone wild and totally oblivious to information coming in on any other circuit. It explains why most people cannot stand Rationalists. "Speed" drugs evidently trigger neuro-transmitters characteristic of the verbal centers of the left cortex.

Based

>> No.11736876

while the carpet alluded to actually appears to be more of a rug than a carpet, I am still waiting to see those promised pictures.

>> No.11736886

>>11731894
All three are excellent books. Leave Brittney alone.

>> No.11736889

all this waiting for the carpet pics, all this anxienty over wondering when anon will finally post it, and it never truly occured to me―WHY, just why, do I even want to see that carpet in the first place? What will my reaction be when he finally posts it? won't it be altogether underwhelming? could it be that what i really want is the tension and anticipation of waiting for the carpet (or rug or whatever) pics moreso than the satisfaction of actually having them? this whole carpet business has really gotten my niggin joggin

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Revolutionized the way I think about painting.

>> No.11736896

>>11736894
BUT WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT CARPETS TELL US ABOUT THE CARPETS ANON

>> No.11736911

>>11736854
So what did you read and how did it turn you into a nazi. tell us about your intellectual journey into nazism and how you got out of it

>> No.11736913

my carpet desu

>> No.11736915

>>11736896
it says that the carpet is the perfect junction between threadbare craftsmanship and art as decor. the world meets man at the soles of his feet, and the carpet interposes itself between man and earth, interrupting both haptic contact, but more importantly the contact between sight and ground. It turns something as trounced upon and ignored as a floor into a vista in its own—the floor becomes a view. Many persian and turkish rugs take influence from great medieval architects such as Brunelleschi. Artistry finds itself where painting could not, only in the rug

>> No.11736916

>>11732061
Hand over the carpet photografff

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>>11736915
>it says that the carpet is the perfect junction between threadbare craftsmanship and art as decor. the world meets man at the soles of his feet, and the carpet interposes itself between man and earth, interrupting both haptic contact, but more importantly the contact between sight and ground. It turns something as trounced upon and ignored as a floor into a vista in its own—the floor becomes a view. Many persian and turkish rugs take influence from great medieval architects such as Brunelleschi. Artistry finds itself where painting could not, only in the rug
just in awe of this gnosis lads

>> No.11736922

what's so special about carpets
it's just chemicals

>> No.11736929

>>11736922
hypocrite that you are, for you trust the chemicals in the carpet to tell you that they are just chemicals. all carpets are ultimately made out of inconceivable patterns of thread. now will you post those carpet pics or will you perish like a dog?

>> No.11736932

I knew a girl with a nice carpet. Like a runway up to her bedroom if you catch the general idea of what Im trying to get across ha ha.

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caaaarpet...caaaar...pet...carpet diem....seize the rug boys

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>broke up with gf years ago
>tfw still can't forget her carpet
why is it so hard lads

>> No.11737059

How can a car be a pet, it makes no sense

>> No.11737208

>>11731618
Moby Dick, In Search of Lost Time, Civilisation and its Discontents, Being and Time

>> No.11737359

>>11736829
these kind of books help me realize that I'm retarded when it comes to literal perspective.
I still draw like a kid.

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>>11737359
at least norling doesn't go turbo grid autismo like some other people

>> No.11737618

>>11732061
MUH CARPET

>> No.11737659

¿¿¿What's the difference between a carpet and a rug???

>> No.11737946

thingken of carpet

>> No.11737970

carpet diem

>> No.11738005

>>11731618
the conference of the birds

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Muslims want to kill us all

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>>11731618

>> No.11738137

>>11731864
Derrida would disagree!

>> No.11738234

>>11731618
Beelzebub Tales doesn't make any sense and is complete nonsense. You're lying if you could understand the gibberish in that book.

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>>11731618

>> No.11738520

>>11738234
>taking it literally
Learn to read plen

>> No.11738793

>>11732061
:(

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>> No.11738850

>>11738300
J. Peterson's carpet is a pain to the eyes.

>> No.11738896

>>11738234
I’ve read it three times. It has a lot of allegories in it I’ve picked up on.

>> No.11738926

>>11731618
please don't tell me that you read this particular translation and edition anon...

>> No.11739315

>>11731864
very true, i also feel this

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I'd munch Ayn Rand's carpet.

>> No.11739414

>>11738926
Which one do you recommend

>> No.11739500

>>11738831
The carpet on this cover is fucking hideous

>> No.11739546

>>11739414
The 1992 revision (the one with the rug on the cover in OP's pic) changed everything in it to the point that many sentences and passages are omitted or have a completely different meaning. You want the English edition published in 1950 that he personally approved. I think there is at least one reprint of it on Amazon. See:

https://beelzebubstales.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/hello-world/amp/

>This page is an effort to bring to the attention of interested readers the degree of revision that has occurred in G.I. Gurdjieff’s most well known book, Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson, since its first publication in 1950. Gurdjieff put an extraordinary amount of effort into the writing and translation of this book. Begun in 1924, it was read aloud to groups of Gurdjieff’s students extensively, then revised based on the effect it produced on its listeners. Some parts of the book were reportedly rewritten as many as thirty times before they were considered satisfactory by the author.1
>The original text was written or dictated in Russian and Armenian. It was then translated into Russian and English by pupils of Gurdjieff, under his close supervision.2 Translations were read aloud and revised extensively between 1924 and Gurdjieff’s death in 1949.3 Shortly before he died, Gurdjieff approved the final printer’s proofs of the English version, which was published in 1950.
>In 1992 a revised version of Beelzebub’s Tales appeared, also referred to as a “revised translation.” This revision, undertaken under the direction of Jeanne de Salzmann by unidentified members of Gurdjieff groups in New York and Paris4, contains substantial changes to both content and presentation. The adjustments are curiously systematic: hardly a single paragraph in the 1238-page book remains unmodified.

They have examples at the above link that show how much was changed, in some cases up to a half page of dense writing was removed and substituted with a few sentences that attempt to summarize them. The 1992 edition is not at all Gurdjieff's thoughts but someone's personal interpretation of them.

>> No.11740352

>>11739546
why would anyone do this what the fuck

>> No.11740714

Silence by Shusaku Endo was the last thing to move me towards believing in God.

>> No.11741327

>>11731618
Every single one. If a book doesn't change your perspective, then you have wasted your time reading it.

>> No.11741345

>>11731864
I agree, but only for discussions held with people radically different than the majority. An insane man can inspire just as much new thought as a patrician.

>> No.11741352

>>11731618
I read 1984 when I was a freshman in high school and before that point I never read dystopian or truly tragic literature
>>11741327
>most perspective changing books
>all
are you serious?

>> No.11741380 [DELETED] 

>>11739546
>>11740352
I haven’t read that edition, I’ve read a different edition three times, but I doubt the difference is too important. Jeanne de Salzmann was extremely close to Gurdjieff, one of his closest pupils and probably the closest thing to a valid successor to him. The book isn’t a literary/aesthetic production, it’s a work with definite mystical intent. As such, I doubt the change of wording much matters as long as central images and situations are kept. A lot of the stories, images, and situations are actually quite cleverly concealed parables/allegories of other things. Gurdjieff also released the book even with mistakes and imperfections others pointed out to him, saying that he wanted to release it now and that he was going to die soon.

again, I doubt much has been lost by that edit.

>> No.11741381

>>11740714
The movie is great too.

>> No.11741810

carpet?

>> No.11742036
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I'm still thinking 'bout that carpet.

>> No.11742055

i feel so betrayed. all i wanted were some carpet pics. is that so much to ask for? i feel cold and dead inside. im done with this cruel world

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>>11732061
WHERE THE HELL IS THAT DAMN CARPET AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaAaaaaa

>> No.11742151

I'm starting to think that there never was a carpet, and he's now too afraid to fess up to the expecting masses

>> No.11742361

WE WANT THAT FUCKIN CARPET

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>>11731933
>>11732022
Mirin those digits

>> No.11742445

>>11742151
It's a mighty low man who will lie to the carpet loving masses about a carpet.

Tell you what, if I had that carpet, I would lougue on that motherfucker with an oversized pillow and a leatherbound book just fucking luxuriating like some Ottoman Pasha reading a hand-illustrated edition of "1001 Nights".

>> No.11742461

The denial of death by Becker. Read it...

>> No.11742475

>>11742461
I have this on my shelf, been meaning to. Thanks.

Mine would be:

When Things Fall Apart by Pema Chodron. I know it might not be considered /lit/, but it really shocked me at the time. Later reading Prometheus Rising I had the feeling of my perception really widening.

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>>11732061
lusting after carpet like a dyke

>> No.11742729

>still no carpet
I'm done with this board and 4chan in general, can't trust anyone here these days. I'll make my own carpet. Adios!

>> No.11742746

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