/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11723980]

soooo.....what exactly wrong with fascism?

[Anonymous No.11724067]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11724120]

>>11723980
Any number of political ideologies can sustain a relationship with differing ideologies. Even those limp wristed anarchists can find a place within the system. Fascism is explicitly confrontational. It's an ideology that is looking for a fight. Nowadays global capital has so many stakeholders involved that any violent disruption of capital is cause for concern. Leftists can just be pushed aside and allowed to drown in circular theory. Fascism is inherently mean to incite action. There is nothing wrong with it's content, but it's praxis just scares too many people.

[Anonymous No.11724137]

Tree-like top-down authoritarian structures inherently lead to abuse of power. Fascism is a pyramid scheme of power. Yet despite all the power wielded by those at the top, they are still nothing more than powerslaves, for no man can truly be free until all men are free.

[Anonymous No.11724152]

>>11724137

[Anonymous No.11724179]

>>11724120
>>11724152
Hmmmm... yep, retarded and /pol/-pilled

[Anonymous No.11724183]

>>11724137
Does wanting to excel for a boss you love also signify an abuse of power? So much of Deleuze seems toothless to me because it seems like the problem is fundamentally more about quality of leadership than leadership as such.

[Anonymous No.11724198]

>>11724179
I'm >>11724120, care to elaborate? I'm not a political person in the sense that I don't have an desired outcome. I'm just giving commentary.

[Anonymous No.11724203]

>>11723980
freedom of thought matters more than productivity

[Anonymous No.11724210]

>>11724183
>Does wanting to excel for a boss you love also signify an abuse of power?
No, that's a pathology.

[Anonymous No.11724215]

>>11723980
individuals or a state forcing their perception of reality onto others is a sin worthy of a deluge

[Anonymous No.11724216]

>>11724210
Why?

[Anonymous No.11724222]

>>11723980
turning children into ideology drones nearly or completely invalidates human existence

[Anonymous No.11724223]

Nothing I guess. Only political economy to land people on the moon was thoroughly fascism.

[Anonymous No.11724229]

People fear authorities to the point where they are censoring themselves.

[Anonymous No.11724235]

>>11724210
What if your boss is a great man doing great things? Sometimes the best we can do is contribute to the rise of great things, for not all of us are brilliant enough to have truly great projects of our own.

>>11724203
Is fascism incompatible with freedom of thought? And who said fascism is about productivity? That sounds more like materialism/liberal capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11724237]

>>11724222

[Anonymous No.11724239]

>>11724216
You produce more value to your boss than you are given in wages. It's dumb to desire something like that.

[Anonymous No.11724242]

>>11724216
Because people like >>11724210 don't believe an agent can ever fully appreciate subordination (and reap it's rewards) without being coerced. It actually demonstrates the cynicism of non fascists. A leftist can't tell the difference between a factory worked getting shit on by his manager and a fascist feeling a drive to help his people.

[Anonymous No.11724243]

>>11724222
guiding children towards positive, generative behaviors that give them a high chance of having a fulfilling life in the future =/= turning them into "ideology drones". that's what communists want to do.

[Anonymous No.11724246]

>>11724239
Once again, I think the problem is a lack of someone worthy of looking up to than hierarchy as such. I'll take my Platonic Sun as the center of an ordered system over Deleuzian, wishy-washy planes of immanence or consistency or whatever, thanks.

[Anonymous No.11724249]

>>11724222
It's almost as if that isn't specific to fascism...

[Anonymous No.11724254]

>>11724242
yes, exactly what I was trying to get at, thank you. it's just this really tedious cynicism and fuck you dad-tier suspicion of authority, it's tiring

[Anonymous No.11724257]

>he didnt provide a definition of fascism
>he assumed a shared notion of wrong
yep this is bait

[Anonymous No.11724266]

>>11724137
christ, imagine actually believing this.

[Anonymous No.11724275]

>>11724254
And once they come to positions of power themselves, their years of disrespect and misunderstanding makes them unable to wield power to the betterment of their fellow man.

[Anonymous No.11724276]

>>11724254
you people can never let go of the daddy, can you

[Anonymous No.11724290]

>>11724276
People need other older, wiser people to model the ways that keep society functioning and enrich the lives of others. No one does this without a figure to look up to. We know you hate your dad. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.11724292]

>>11724276
you people can never let go of trying to prove you don't need daddy, do you

besides, I ain't gonna take that shit from a goober who signed a petition to establish the French equivalent of NAMBLA.

[Anonymous No.11724296]

>>11724290
>>11724292
Imagine being this Oedipalized...

[Anonymous No.11724299]

Say something bad about this

[Anonymous No.11724305]

[Anonymous No.11724310]

>>11724299
he kinda looks jewish

[Anonymous No.11724311]

>>11724296
Reverse it. How would you feel if younger or less experienced people looked to you for guidance or example? What do you do? Say "Sorry kid, haha no one can save you"? I sure as shit hope you would understand both the fulfillment and importance of such a responsibility.

[Anonymous No.11724315]

>>11724296
systems need structure, systems need centralizing principles, everything else is entropy and dissipation, enjoy it rhizomecuck

[Anonymous No.11724316]

its fucking mean and contrary to human nature. also it's never worked. its less functional than communism

not being funny, but most chantards are at the bottom of the social hierarchy, (for a multitude of reasons that I'm sure are in no way your faults), and will do really badly in a fascist society

[Anonymous No.11724320]

>>11724310
He's Portuguese. He has the old blood of Iberia in him.

[Anonymous No.11724321]

>>11724310
That be an aquiline nose nigga don't talk shit

[Anonymous No.11724323]

>>11724137
>no man can truly be free until all men are free.
Dumb idealism

[Anonymous No.11724325]

>>11724305
Where is this from?

[Anonymous No.11724329]

>>11723980
Foucault’s preface literally explains D&G’s approach to facism. They’re hardly ever referring to historical (the political ideology) facism.

[Anonymous No.11724330]

>capitalism literally is leading our earth to a doomsday scenario ecologically
>regressive religious cultism forms reactionary rebellions against the new world order that do nothing to stop the corrosive flows of capital and usually result in sex and power abuses with minor self-help for some
>anti-capitalist post-structuralists show a new way of living without disenchanting the world, where everyone can be free and content, and we know longer have to destroy mother earth for capitalist overlords
>reactionary religionists do not see that these post-structuralists are more filled with the holy spirit than they will ever be...

[Anonymous No.11724336]

>"b-b-but you're turning children into slaves!"
you're showing them a quality of life that is sustained through your own means, and that's something many children lack these days which is turning them into obese ipad burgers accosting people at gamestop with 3DS in hand
>"b-b-but what if your boss is shitty?"
simple, through your drive and ability you could replace him if your superior's own abilities are inferior to your own
>"b-b-but what about an abuse in power structure?"
if you look into history there were very few purely fascist regimes where their own government squabbled amongst each other, killed each other and DIDN'T create a better quality of life for their citizens

[Anonymous No.11724341]

>>11724330
Sounds like you dislike neocons. Not actual hard righters.

[Anonymous No.11724344]

>>11724330
it's almost as if politics is the death of the human spirit no matter which way you swing and you should worry about your own salvation.

this obsession with political solutions and saccharine notions of """freedom""" is symptomatic of everything wrong with the system you're denouncing.

[Anonymous No.11724347]

>>11724311
I would encourage him to discover his own truth. I would teach him how to save himself. Funny you accuse me of saying we're all damned when conservatives are quick to damn the mentally ill, drug addicted, disabled, gay, lesbian and trans, saying that their personal truth dowsn't count because it is abnormal...

[Anonymous No.11724349]

Anything movement associated with the masses is automatically bad.

[Anonymous No.11724354]

>>11724266
>Unironically posting Wrath of Incel meme pics

KYS autistic Trumptard

[Anonymous No.11724355]

>>11724316
>its fucking mean
kek
>also it's never worked
it only "didn't work" because the entire world shut it down goy

[Anonymous No.11724357]

>>11724305
This has kind of an ameliorative tone and it misses the central role of violence in fascist thought. Also
>all people of one's ethnicity are considered the greater family…
This mainly applies to some forms of European fascism, but doesn't hold for, say, Brazilian Integralists whose motto was 'Union of all races and all peoples'.

[Anonymous No.11724359]

>>11724316
if by it never worked, you mean foreign power comes in to completely derail it, then yes, you're right.

[Anonymous No.11724363]

>>11724354
way to address the quote and not just reeeee about blumpf

[Anonymous No.11724364]

>>11724316
>it's never worked

It's literally worked wonders for every country it touched until the world said >shut it down

[Anonymous No.11724366]

>>11724347
>tell others to discover their own truth
>assumes his own truth is axiomatic by denouncing conservatives

you revealed your hand too early

[Anonymous No.11724368]

>>11724355
>>11724359
The world was fine with facism when it came to be because it directly opposed communism which was considered a greater threat to the established order of the time. Facism became the big bad when Hitler and Mussolini tried to take over the fucking world.

[Anonymous No.11724369]

>>11724347
I don't believe that. If anything I'm attracted to fascism because it is more humane than any other arrangement. Authority isn't about passing on truth but passing on the ability to discern it. Some people think fascism and their mind flashes with images of bombs, heartache, and terror. I think of it and I see nature, beauty, and humans standing taller than we ever have before. Do you believe most fascists support genocide? I don't. If anything I pray for every race and every tribe to have the same awakening of spirit and life.

[Anonymous No.11724370]

>>11724323
Yeah. That's a Hegel quote. Doesn't belong in a Deleuze thread.

[Anonymous No.11724373]

>>11724368
>Hitler and Mussolini tried to take over the fucking world.
i hope you're just baiting

[Anonymous No.11724381]

>>11724373
It’s exaggerated speech, but they waged war on three continents.

[Anonymous No.11724382]

>>11724347
personal truth =/= the truth

[Anonymous No.11724389]

>>11724316
It worked out quite well for countries that tried it, however they either 1) lost a war, and the party was outlawed; or 2) a military dictator took power and outlawed the fascist party in question.

The only exception to this (as far as I know) are the Jewish fascists who, despite their attempts to ally with the axis powers, eventually got Israel and joined the JDF. The living members even received awards in the 1980s.

[Anonymous No.11724391]

>>11724368
>when it confronted the current global powers that be
fixed that for you

[Anonymous No.11724392]

>>11724381
learn some history then try again sweety

[Anonymous No.11724396]

>>11724299
lacks ability to tolerate a plurality of ideas that society inevitably entails.
Relies on everybody wanting to be mindlessly subservient to an authoritarian state.....not everybody is a cuck.

[Anonymous No.11724398]

>>11724222
but really, it is homosexuals and leftists who are turning children into ideology drones nowadays. even the most radical leftist is no more than an enforcer for the hegemonic ideology of corporate managerial liberalism. Fascism is the las taboo, the only thing that pisses of 'the man' in a degenetare cultural marxist civilization in which the place of 'the man' has been usurped by a 330lbs bluehaired queer(tm) genderblob. Fascism is the ultimate form of anarchism. a fascist is just an anarchist who wont let the freedom of the weak get in the way of his freedom. You should try walking up to your local representatives of 'the lgbt community' and calling them out as cultural marxists, see how they recoil, as if they have been found out. why not worship Hitler as a literal deity? that's what THEY least want you to do, why not?

[Anonymous No.11724399]

>>11724391
>>11724392
>invade another country
>allies of said country declare war
>”he dindu nuffin, he a good boy”

[Anonymous No.11724402]

>>11724366
Forgive me if I'm mistaken but I assume that fascism usually carries these same conservative sentiments. For example, in addition to Jews, Hitler also tried killing gays, catholics, and schizophrenics. As someone who fits into the latter two groups, I am I think justifiably somewhat scared.
>>11724369
Can you explain what you mean by humane?

[Anonymous No.11724403]

>>11724355
>"kek"

did you see the pic?

[Anonymous No.11724404]

>>11724396
S T R A W M A N

[Anonymous No.11724406]

>>11724316
It worked out quite well for countries that tried it, however they either 1) lost a war, and the party was outlawed; or 2) a military dictator took power and outlawed the fascist party in question.
The only exception to this (as far as I know) are the Jewish fascists who, despite their attempts to ally with the axis powers, eventually got Israel and joined the JDF. The living members even received awards in the 1980s.
Still, you could argue that the militaristic ethos of fascism will eventually lead to war, and that they will eventually lose.

[Anonymous No.11724410]

>>11724299
In the seamless exposition and systematization of social phenomena,
there lurks - unconsciously, of course, for we are witnessing the objective mind at work - a tendency to explain away the constitutive contradictions on which our society rests, to conjure them out of existence.

[Anonymous No.11724412]

People can desire and appreciate a dictator if he is actually doing a good job, and they will probably have no problems with being lower in the hierarchy and being pretty much slaves and bla bla bla. The problem is that the dictator will start fucking up a lot since he has too much power and then he will freak out and start blaming the people for his own shortcomings and he will start killing them and the whole system will start collapsing and he will probably get killed in a revolution agaisnt him by the own people or by external nations who will see him as a danger for their own existence. Democracy and capitalism will come back after this failure and so then you are just as you started. Its an idiotic system.

[Anonymous No.11724416]

>>11724396
>we must accept a plurality of ideals
>you're a cuck if you adhere to the state
you're right! Diversity is our strength, goy!

[Anonymous No.11724417]

>>11724402
It's humane because no other ideology celebrates the human spirit to the same degree. It is necessarily meant to be an elevating influence in the lives of a state's respective population. However, with this being said, we have to accept that humane is mind-dependent and therefor you may not see it as humane at all depending on your definition of it.

[Anonymous No.11724420]

>>11724410
pure word vomit

cringe and bluepilled

[Anonymous No.11724423]

>>11723980
>totalitarian government
If you lived under this you'd realize how bad it really was. Go visit China for a month. You won't.

[Anonymous No.11724431]

>>11724416
"MUH WHITE WOMEN DONT WANT MY NECKBEARD INCEL ASS SO IT MUST BE THOSE DAMN JOOS DONALD TRUMP IS MY DADDY AND HE'LL DEFEND ME FROM SCARY BROWN PPL I'M A BALDING AMERICAN FAT INCEL VIRGIN I'M SO FUCKING RETARDED"

[Anonymous No.11724432]

>>11724364
It didn't. Fascist economics are very inefficient.

[Anonymous No.11724433]

>>11724398
based

[Anonymous No.11724434]

>>11724398
>strawmans strawmans everywhere

[Anonymous No.11724435]

>>11724399
hmmmm, so why didn't the allies declare war on the ussr?

[Anonymous No.11724437]

>>11724399
>implying invading was completely done on a whim

[Anonymous No.11724442]

>>11724404
mouthbreathing cuckold

[Anonymous No.11724445]

>>11724417
>humane is mind-dependent
Doesn't that contradict your earlier argument that fascism is objectively superior?

[Anonymous No.11724449]

>>11724431
strawmanning this hard makes you look weak

[Anonymous No.11724451]

>>11724416
a market place for ideas, where weak ideas are thrown to the ditch, is advantageous. fascism AND PC culture stands in the way of the dialectical inevitability of human consciousness. nigger

[Anonymous No.11724455]

>>11724442
Keep projecting sweetie.

[Anonymous No.11724457]

>>11724420
/pol/tards can only think and speak in meme. Why are they in a literature board if they lack the capacity to critically engage in a discusion without relying on the memes of others. This is conservatism for you; it draws that part of the population which is incapable of original thought, the part that requires their lives to be ordered and regulated by a strong authoritative figure. Unfortunately, a lot of people are like this. This is what D&G are all about, to free you of your self-repression.

[Anonymous No.11724458]

>>11724431

[Anonymous No.11724463]

>>11724457
See >>11724449 and >>11724458

[Anonymous No.11724468]

>>11724434
leftists are jealous of the alt right because nothing they can say or do is actually transgressive anymore. nor even visibly different from the nyt or the woke shareable content purveyor of the week. since the final victory of 60s liberalism, being white and straight is actually the most subversive thing you can do.

[Anonymous No.11724471]

>>11724451
>this idea i don't like stands in the way of the free marketplace of ideas

[Anonymous No.11724478]

>>11724458
announcing a report is against the rules, too

[Anonymous No.11724479]

>>11724435
>Unknown to the general public there was a ‘secret protocol’ to the 1939 Anglo-Polish treaty that specifically limited the British obligation to protect Poland to ‘aggression’ from Germany.

>>11724437
>reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.11724487]

>>11724445
I don't believe it is objectively superior. But I don't believe in objectivity in the sense that we can't ever reach total objectivity. I do believe that it has qualities which can sufficiently win over a population into believing that it is superior and therefor transforming it's superiority into a social truth. Fascism, I think, has a way of relating to the subject in a way that it appears totally different depending on the subject. Heidegger was a nazi and so were pleb workers, and they essentially believed in completely different things at the end of the day. This is due to the way fascism relates to the subject (this relation depends on intellect, experiences, position in society, et al)

[Anonymous No.11724494]

>>11724478
He didn't announce one though.

[Anonymous No.11724501]

>>11724433
if deleuze had lived, he'd support the alt right and trump. Trump is the true BwO

[Anonymous No.11724504]

>>11724468
So edgy bro. Deserves to be in a cringe compilation. Get off the internet and view the real world sometime. Not every leftist is a blue haired sjw. I am white and straight and enjoy western philosophy and have a girlfriend. Apparently deleuze *is* subversive because it pissess off basic white bros like you.

[Anonymous No.11724506]

>>11724451
>a marketplace for ideas
ideas are cheap, anon didn't you know?
that's why our world is in the state of affairs it's in now, especially on the left.

[Anonymous No.11724511]

>>11724468
Thanks for making it clear that you don't care about the truth but being an edgy fat balding incel racist on the internet to trigger and BTFO libs epic style fucking autistic bitch

[Anonymous No.11724513]

>>11724299
spooky

[Anonymous No.11724518]

>>11724471
>this idea i don't like stands in the way of the free marketplace of ideas
>the idea i don't like, that was superseded decades ago, stands in the way of the free marketplace of ideas

FTFY

[Anonymous No.11724520]

>>11724487
I could replace Fascism in that sentence with Communism and it would make just as much sense. I'd have to replace Heidegger too tho but that wouldn't be hard. So basically you're larping as the intellectual vanguard of the alt-right. Have fun in hell, bro. Sure is cool pretending to be nietzsche's ubermensch, right?

[Anonymous No.11724523]

if i lived in a fasist society i couldn't sit around playing vidya all day an reading books

[Anonymous No.11724531]

>>11724511
the truth is transgression and fear. we gotta take the biggest fear symbol there is and tell people, now i got your fear, now i got your fear Manson 101. Unlike Deleuze, Manson talked the talk AND walked the walk. listening to Manson, you'll realise he was talking about the same ideas those french phillosophers were talking about, just without any of the bull. this is why we got to use hitler and the swastika. the lighting and the sun. all archetypes of rebellion are hitlerite archetypes, gotta let yourself become possessed by the runes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRH9Nf0-Bzw

[Anonymous No.11724533]

>>11724518

[Anonymous No.11724536]

>>11724479
>reading comprehension
I take it you didn't know about poland killing ethnic germans or the french entering germany to collect reparations whether it be through money, goods, or women.
you should really look in a mirror and reflect on yourself, anon.

[Anonymous No.11724538]

>>11724520
I hate the alt-right. I disagree with a ton of their "beliefs". Am I even a fascist though? Or just defending it? After it's all said and done I'm just a normal guy who hates both capitalism yet loves tradition. It's an underrepresented position. You can have animosity for me if you want but just know that if the awakening did happen I would advocate for you to live rather than be exiled from the country because I believe in your worth as a person and your capacity to contribute to the tribe.

[Anonymous No.11724542]

>>11724518
>your old idea is completely archaic here look at my assortment of ideas that's hip and new and much better than old idea

[Anonymous No.11724543]

>>11723980
Nothing, its just peoples personal taste, do you want a system of strength, power, meaning, national pride, masculinity, cultural empowerment, elitism, action, religious experience etc? Some people want a society of peace, leisure, intellectual discourse, hedonism. They both have their time as expressions of life, but again that is up to you whether you to view life like that as another expression of such.

[Anonymous No.11724550]

>>11724504
the counted ones that aren't let the bluehaired managers and bureaucrats boss them around.

[Anonymous No.11724552]

>>11724355
>>11724359
>>11724364
>>11724406
Fascism started these wars on the notion that their system worked and it lost them.

[Anonymous No.11724553]

>>11724536
How does that affect the fact Germany invaded a country knowing full well about the ally-structure of the time?
>facism was deliberately stopped
It brought upon its own end by its own militarism

[Anonymous No.11724561]

>>11724504

[Anonymous No.11724564]

>>11724552
>Fascism started these wars
how do people unironically believe this?

[Anonymous No.11724566]

>>11724542
dude, the steam engine fell by the wayside eons ago.....batteries are the way of the future, or maybe wind power, or maybe nuclear fusion, or maybe dynamos attatched to the heads of cocksucking chantards. sure you get some idiosyncratic perma-virgins that obsess over steam engines....etc etc

[Anonymous No.11724575]

>>11724531
Virgin Deleuze vs Chad Manson.

[Anonymous No.11724576]

>>11724564
Because it’s an established historical truth all reputable scholars and historians approve of.
>inb4 its a conspiracy made by the JEWS
>the holocaust didnt happen

[Anonymous No.11724578]

>>11724552
The system worked entirely as designed, saying it lost the war because of the flaw it its system (considering Nazi Germany were vastly superior military) would be like saying the French Monarchy was a failed system because a revolution happened.

[Anonymous No.11724585]

>>11724576
>Established historical truth
YIKES
Also nice prediction of a strawman.

[Anonymous No.11724589]

Fascism would be like being stuck in highschool forever. it would fucking suck. teachers telling you bullshit and jocks trying to flush your head down the toilet.

I prefer today's arrangement where i can leave highschool and the jocks become manual labourers who mow my lawn

[Anonymous No.11724591]

>>11724585
It is a nice prediction. Cause im sure you dont believe in muh six gorillon either.

[Anonymous No.11724592]

>>11724589
>high school metaphors

liberalism is ideological pubescence

[Anonymous No.11724593]

>>11724591
Nice assumption there. I do though.

[Anonymous No.11724594]

>>11724543
This, value, morality, right and wrong is what you choose it to be. Liberalism has brainwashed people that their values are inherently universally good.

[Anonymous No.11724600]

>>11724589
You sound like you got bullied in school and you compare everything to it because of it.

Some serious complexes there pal.

[Anonymous No.11724612]

>>11724523
based

[Anonymous No.11724625]

>>11724566
And yet you so adamantly cling to this notion of a "free market of ideas" knowing full well that there are a lot of bad ideas that probably shouldn't. You want to know how I know this? You wouldn't have brought up wind power alongside nuclear fission, and in the face of a train powered by Chernobyl energy, I'd rather have the steam engine.

[Anonymous No.11724635]

>>11724600
He is right still.

[Anonymous No.11724645]

>>11724589
no fascism is where the bully becomes the CEO of the company you mop floors for

[Anonymous No.11724654]

>>11724120
That's actually true. Good descripton mano

[Anonymous No.11724657]

>>11724576
>appeal to authority
yes and i'm the one who's authoritarian

[Anonymous No.11724658]

>>11724635
He isn't though.

[Anonymous No.11724664]

>>11724635
see
>>11724658

[Anonymous No.11724667]

>>11723980
>/lit/ - politics
>>>/pol/
>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.11724675]

>>11724657
>muh logical fallacies
CHEAP

[Anonymous No.11724694]

>>11724578
>Nazi Germany were vastly superior military
t. Major-General Brainlet

[Anonymous No.11724707]

>>11724694
>it took 3 major powers to take germany down
t. admiral retard

[Anonymous No.11724712]

>>11724576
lmao you nigger ww2 was hardcoded into the versailles treaty, germany was cucked so hard that there was no other possible outcome

[Anonymous No.11724721]

>>11724694
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1985/05/05/their-wehrmacht-was-better-than-our-army/0b2cfe73-68f4-4bc3-a62d-7626f6382dbd/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c5e27c920b7d

The fact people pretend they didn't outclass every side is just laughable. However thats probably down more to Germans naturally being militaristic and fascism exacerbating those qualities though.

[Anonymous No.11724751]

>>11724721
Nukes outclass everything

[Anonymous No.11724771]

Talking about fascism on /lit/ is even worse than talking about communism or anarchism. At least with those you have some well read anons defending themselves against angry /pol/tards, but with fascism it's the /pol/acks who're defending their position and they don't even understand fascism: They make the same false assumption that their opposition makes—that since the Nazis were most successful fascists, fascism=nazism. Both /pol/acks and their opponents have the same naive beliefs that the purpose of fascism is war, racism, antisemitism and genocide; yet unlike their opposition, who finds these caricatures repulsive, they embrace these ideas for their repulsiveness and are shocked that others do not readily embrace their ideas.
Having heard that fascism is far-right, they, opposing 'leftists', turn to what they see as direct opposition, yet never examining it. Indeed, if they heard some of the suggestions of early 20th century socialists, they would dismiss them outright as leftism—not knowing that these same ideas were embraced by the fascists, who were, in many ways, an offshoot of revolutionary socialism (they of course lack some of the many central myths, e.g., class war, but fascism has its own equally powerful myths).
There are some educated fascists on /lit/, but I'm sure none of them have posted in this thread.

[Anonymous No.11724825]

>>11724137
>Tree-like top-down authoritarian structures inherently lead to abuse of power. Fascism is a pyramid scheme of power. Yet despite all the power wielded by those at the top, they are still nothing more than powerslaves, for no man can truly be free until all men are free.

This is stupid, you don't apply this style of reasoning to your own marxists and center-left positions. It is dishonest and motivated reasoning

[Anonymous No.11724837]

>>11724771
>and then everyone clapped

[Anonymous No.11724911]

>>11724381
>>11724381
>It’s exaggerated speech, but they waged war on three continents.
Yeah, against people two colonial powers with colonies across the globe and an emerging super power on another continent. Your posts reads like someone brainwashed who forgot everything except the buzzwords.

>>11724402
>As someone who fits into the latter two groups, I am I think justifiably somewhat scared.
You actually believe Hitler put Catholics into concentration camps for being Catholic, the second largest denomination in Germany? DO you understand how dumb that sounds

[Anonymous No.11724926]

>>11724576
there is no description of a final solution either

[Anonymous No.11724947]

>people actually suporting fascism itt
lmao
you idiots would be the first ones to get fucked in a fascist state

[Anonymous No.11724953]

>>11724576
>historical truth
>historical
>truth
>established
>ooga
>booga
>lox
>yamacca
>shalom
hmmmmm

[Anonymous No.11724969]

>>11724926
Churchill was describing military tactics. He hardly had time to comment on any extermination policies, just his diplomatic ties with the foreign ministers of most countries in the conflict.

[Anonymous No.11724972]

>>11724947
>ayyy doze nazees was jus fixin ta gas ppl once dey killed da juice dey was gonna hav ta find mor ppl ta gas
This is the most retarded and annoying fallacy I've ever encountered. There couldn't possibly be a special characteristic of jews that made them targets? No, they just wanted to gas.

[Anonymous No.11724980]

Literally nothing, unless you're some sort of kike

[Anonymous No.11724997]

>>11724969
>Churchill was describing military tactics
Presumably this would include the strategic decision of building several camp in occupied territory, camps with large factories that would make them obvious military targets. A long with all the trains and rail roads that were build for them. Perhaps he forgot about the counter strategy to blitz krieg, attacking supply lines. Seems like an odd omission to make, to not even mention these large camps that were heavily connected to their supply lines.

Almost as odd as going from simply shooting the jews, like at Babi Yar, to gassing them. A much more costly and slow procedure.

[Anonymous No.11725004]

>>11724997
for got my picture

[Anonymous No.11725052]

It depends on what you mean by fascism. The early fascism is actually fairly noble and has some salvageable aspects like an institution of a social hierarchy and a strong federalism. It's not terribly different from monarchism. Hitlerism on the other hand is fucking retarded and his "blood and soil" with a super strong dictator shit poisoned the well and it never would have worked in the long term. Assuming Germany didn't lose the war the system would have collapsed the minute Hitler died.

[Anonymous No.11725055]

>>11725004
thanks man, just saved chem. of aushwitz

[Anonymous No.11725172]

>>11724997
He did not describe the factories very often either. The main concern for Churchill was the North African offensive, Operation Sea Lion, and various other strategic formations he would broadly oversee. The sorts of things like factory locations and things of this nature were below him. If there were an air raid, he expected the minister of aviation to sort that kind of shit out.

The level of retardation here is unbelievable.

[Anonymous No.11725181]

>>11724479
Perfidious Albion...