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Anonymous Sun Sep 2 12:55:05 2018 No.11723536 [Reply] [Original]

I'm reading The Old man and the Sea by Hemingway. Why is the prose so....weird and not nice at all? This is widely considered to be a masterpiece, what am I missing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 12:55:58 2018 No.11723543 >>11723536 >the prose is not nice :\

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 12:56:15 2018 No.11723544 American literature is a meme

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 12:58:03 2018 No.11723557 >>11723536 you have to read hemingway like hemingway reading hemingway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 12:58:28 2018 No.11723561 File: 316 KB, 708x569, 1533451521834.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >reading books for the prose You'll never make it

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 12:59:02 2018 No.11723566 >>11723544 this

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:00:17 2018 No.11723573 >>11723544 This.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:01:10 2018 No.11723582 File: 137 KB, 439x519, 1534645269955.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723566 >>11723573 Except for Cormack McCarthy, of course

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:01:44 2018 No.11723583 >>11723561 Prose is a significant part of the artistic quality of a work of literature.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:02:50 2018 No.11723587 File: 471 KB, 1280x720, 1533756245112.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723583 Indeed but a part, young grasshopper.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:03:18 2018 No.11723591 >>11723561 >not reading literature for aesthetic reasons why even live?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:05:51 2018 No.11723605 File: 69 KB, 698x960, 1533401793217.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723591 With hemmingway you're supposed to read it for the prose that's not there

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:10:23 2018 No.11723629 >>11723536 Hemingway was American and that is the way he writes and you don't like it and I don't like it and that's not important because joe dimaggio maybe does like it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:10:34 2018 No.11723631 >>11723587 A work of literature without prose is like a painting without technique, e.g. modern art. Note that beautiful prose is often simple and to the point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:11:37 2018 No.11723634 >>11723629 This is pretty much exactly how he writes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:22:44 2018 No.11723699 >>11723631 Good thing books aren't paintings, huh?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:27:07 2018 No.11723715 >>11723699 >not understanding analogies

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:28:00 2018 No.11723719 >>11723582 shut the fuck up

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:28:29 2018 No.11723722 >>11723631 why do plebs always compare books to paintings around here? ffs

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:29:32 2018 No.11723727 >>11723719 no u

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:29:32 2018 No.11723728 >>11723715 I'm not that other guy but your analogy was pretty bad. Besides, isn't the problem with modern art that it's often technique with no substance? And a book with no prose would just be driving plot, or information.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:29:42 2018 No.11723731 >>11723715 >not understanding false analogies

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:31:51 2018 No.11723735 File: 26 KB, 645x729, 268zj7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >if prose is not flowery, it's bad!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:32:03 2018 No.11723736 File: 41 KB, 488x488, 10-thomas-pynchon.w529.h529.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723544

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:34:01 2018 No.11723743 shit reads like a 10 years old's essay, fuck off with your ice(((berg))) bullshit

Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:39:04 2018 No.11723762
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>>11723722
>>11723728
>>11723731
The point of the analogy was that, like a painting without technique, a book without prose is worthless.
And no, the problem with modern "art" is that it takes so little skill that a monkey could do it and win awards (seriously look up Pierre Brassau). The point of art is to convey your message with a skill you've honed over the years, just having a message isn't enough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:53:33 2018 No.11723817 File: 6 KB, 166x304, carrots.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723762 anon.. easy on the edge

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:54:06 2018 No.11723818 >>11723762 >a book without prose is worthless. you mean a book without stylistic prose, right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:57:57 2018 No.11723832 >>11723817 >no arguments >>11723818 I mean beautiful, simple prose.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 13:58:29 2018 No.11723838 >>11723544 >>11723566 >>11723573 I'm not American and I disagree

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:04:52 2018 No.11723870 File: 161 KB, 800x654, Screen Shot 2018-08-31 at 11.31.17 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723832 your "argument" was just some subjective appraisal, heck off, kid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:10:34 2018 No.11723900 If you don't get Old Man and the Sea you are not a man. You are either a flowery, flaming homosexual or a woman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:12:07 2018 No.11723907 >>11723900 What if I'm both?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:12:36 2018 No.11723911 >>11723900 This, also if you were a man you'd understand that a real man is an iceberg not by society but by his own presentation, much like the protagonist and his prose.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:13:35 2018 No.11723916 File: 527 KB, 1277x1029, vgs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723911 woah so deep

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:13:51 2018 No.11723917 >>11723870 >I LIKED JORDY BEFORE HE WENT MAINSTREAM, IM KEEEEEWWL

Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:14:42 2018 No.11723922

>>11723907
I've always wondered how does the more feminine dyke seek the masculine dykes or do you just hope that some masculine dyke will find out somehow that you're a lessa silently and hit on you? A feminine dyke forced to hit on women sounds like lesbian bed death waiting to happen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:16:00 2018 No.11723930 >>11723916 >posts jap shit I'm listening

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:18:15 2018 No.11723945 File: 62 KB, 610x612, wojakp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723536 >t.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:28:37 2018 No.11723976 File: 896 KB, 500x403, 0677c70477cd3f32f9af8adc79e8849f.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /lit/ seems to want the testimony of some middling protagonist awash in abundant self-reflection, mired in inertia, and fettered with painstaking detail.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:44:05 2018 No.11724029 File: 15 KB, 220x330, 220px-Herman_Melville_1860.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723544 >>11723566 >>11723573 blocks your path >>11723838 Based.

Anonymous Sun Sep 2 14:45:35 2018 No.11724037

Well, the thing is Hemingway aimed for the biblical cadence of sentences and what came out of it resembles rather Dr. Seuss.
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Also, YOU FUCKING RETARDS, STOP USING THE WORD PROSE WHEN YOU MEAN STYLE AND STOP USING THE WORD MODERN WHEN YOU MEAN CONTEMPORARY FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU DISGUSTING HIGHSCHOOLERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 15:22:47 2018 No.11724231 File: 7 KB, 260x194, steinbeck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11723544 Don't talk shit about my nigga

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 16:49:33 2018 No.11724732 >>11723544 Truer words have never been spoken.

Anonymous Sun Sep 2 17:52:48 2018 No.11725029

>>11723536
Look up the audiobook of A Farewell to Arms, read by John Slattery, and listen to the first 15-20 minutes of it, then you will “get” what Hemingway’s deal was and why he is so important as a stylist.

He’s not the greatest American prose writer (that would probably go to Melville or Faulkner), but he’s very good, and he took a very different approach, more influenced by Flaubert and his time as a journalist than anything.

Old Man and the Sea is a little bit too far in that minimalist direction for my taste, but Hemingway can be really, really good at times.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 17:55:46 2018 No.11725044 >>11723544 >>11723566 >>11723573 >>11724732 Eurocope

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 18:30:28 2018 No.11725220 >>11725029 Thanks anon, I'll do that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 18:40:36 2018 No.11725282 >>11725044 >american thinks his "country" has cultural relevance

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 18:48:08 2018 No.11725297 >>11725282 >europoor proves it doesn't by jumping into every thread in which it's mentioned

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 2 19:25:24 2018 No.11725479 >>11725297 >americans >americans >americans >americans

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