/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11714775]

*decolonizes your eurocentric genre*

[Anonymous No.11714779]

>>11714775
Who gives a shit, Hugo awards are a sham and no one reads the shills trying to push their agenda.

[Anonymous No.11714794]

Funny how women have been successfully contributing to sci-fi for several decades (centuries if you count Mary Shelley) but blacks haven't contributed shit except for Octavia E. Butler and this meme lady who gets relentlessly praised by the ideologue hacks who currently run the Hugos. Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.11714799]

Powerful, based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.11714806]

MUH GENRE!!!

[Anonymous No.11714838]

Thank you based nigress.

[Anonymous No.11714844]

>>11714794
Hell, I'll go a step further and point out blacks haven't contributed anything of value to literature in general except for Alexandre "mostly white" Dumas, James Baldwin, Richard Wright, Ralph "the one hit wonder" Ellison, and the key writers of the Harlem Renaissance. Gets the noggin jogging.

[Anonymous No.11714848]

i wonder if these people realize that they're part white too and if it wasn't for slavery they wouldnt have ever even existed.

[Anonymous No.11714854]

>>11714794
Blacks in general have contributed shit to literature.
1. Europeans.
2. Americans
3. Latin Americans
4. Asians.
5. 100 layers of shit
6. 100 layers of filthier shit
7. Blacks

[Anonymous No.11714857]

>>11714844
Baldwin and not Wilson Harris or Derek Walcott or Édouard Glissant or Patrick Chamoiseau ? Are you for real ?

[Anonymous No.11714859]

That's the nobody who's being propped up by the feminists who control Hugo. I love how they're acting like she accomplished some some crazy historical feat. Merit had nothing to do with it and they're the first ones to admit it when they say "Jemisin’s Hugo threepeat is part of a years-long push for diversity in fantasy and science fiction."

[Anonymous No.11714869]

>>11714854
You got me with Derek Walcott but I haven't ever heard of the rest. Also, we both fucked up by not mentioning Machado de Assis.

[Anonymous No.11714871]

>>11714869
Fuck me, I meant to respond to:
>>11714857

[Anonymous No.11714874]

>>11714869
You’re right about de Assis. There’s plenty of great black french writers, i’ll say that. Senghor is also a great poet.

[Anonymous No.11714887]

>>11714874
He's not Black black.

[Anonymous No.11714914]

>>11714854
This is a fact that no one wants to face. Even with the massive push for "diversity" in literature there's still only a small handful of black authors that might be remembered a century from now. They'll never ever come close to white Americans even though American literature didn't become a force to be reckoned with until the early 19th century and they'll be extremely lucky to one day come close to the Asians.

[Anonymous No.11714938]

>>11714914
a similar phenomenon is found in the arts. black artists much more often than not fall back on the trope of oppression, slavery, racism, etc. its old. there are museums about slavery and the plight of slaves. memorials. its taught in history books. i had to watch a film about it in my public elementary school. it isnt new or different or radical or upsetting anything or anyone. and if youre an artist that isnt saying anything new or getting censored you're a hack frankly

[Anonymous No.11714943]

>>11714775
*recolonises your continent*

[Anonymous No.11714946]

>>11714943
If the subversives keep fucking everything up China will rule the world. I hope leftists are prepared for a yellow future.

[Anonymous No.11714952]

>>11714938
The one field where they excel is music. Their literature is a joke and their cinema is even worse.

[Anonymous No.11714983]

>>11714854
things fall apart is one of the greatest pieces of literature in history

[Anonymous No.11715088]

>>11714952
And a few sports

[Anonymous No.11715111]

>>11714938
>if youre an artist that isnt saying anything new or getting censored you're a hack frankly

[Anonymous No.11715139]

Fantasy is a capitalistic Petite bourgeoisie genre for retards who want to feel deep while still being mindless consumers.

[Anonymous No.11715162]

>>11715139
The only relevant Fantasy is Tolkien, the rest should have never come about, or become anything more than kids stories.

[Anonymous No.11715166]

>>11714775
I'm reading the preview. It's obviously written by a woman but it isn't bad. Does it get bad?

[Anonymous No.11715175]

>>11714983
>le Heart of Darkness is racist man
>writing anything of genuine value
Pick one. If he's remembered a century from now he'll just be remembered as the guy who REEEEEEEEEd about Joseph Conrad.

[Anonymous No.11715198]

>>11715139
>>11715162
Being a pseudo doesn’t make you an interesting person

[Anonymous No.11715202]

>>11714775
At the end of the day she owes everything she's earned to Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.11715203]

>>11715139
Fantasy goes all the way back to Arabian Nights and Beowulf. Hell, it could be argued that the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Greek epics are fantasy.
>>11715162
You're right that post-Tolkien fantasy is shit.

[Anonymous No.11715209]

>>11715175
since when does calling a spade a spade make one unable to "write anything of genuine value?" sounds arbitrary to me.
or maybe...
just maybe...
you
haven't
read
anything
by
achebe
have
you

[Anonymous No.11715224]

>>11715209
No shit a man that was born in 1857 was racist. What's annoying is Achebe's basic observations were championed as pure genius.

[Anonymous No.11715238]

>>11715162
Don't talk shit about CS Lewis

[Anonymous No.11715240]

>>11715224
>Achebe's basic observations were championed as pure genius.
Were they really though?

[Anonymous No.11715247]

>>11715240
Yup. Look it up. He's most known for Things Fall Apart and whining about Joseph Conrad's racism.

[Anonymous No.11715249]

>>11715238
CS Lewis is fine, but his books are aimed at a much younger audience. Most modern "adult" fantasy is shit.

[Anonymous No.11715274]

>>11714854
Western Europeans > Eastern Europeans > Americans > East Asians > South Asians > Southwest Asians = North Africans > Latin Americans > Central Asians > Southeast Asians > Oceanians = Sub-Saharan Africans

[Anonymous No.11716119]

This kind of stuff is the reason I won't read and fantasy or sci-fi written after 1960.

[Anonymous No.11716133]

>the Hugo Awards
>Hugo

Um, that's a bit problematic, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.11716134]

>>11715166
>Jemisin
Kingdom of Gods was really good

[Anonymous No.11716837]

>>11714794

The only reason Dhalgran wasn't canonized on the level of Gravity's Rainbow was because Delany has the science fiction genre label.

[Anonymous No.11716869]

>>11714775
honestly wouldn't mind seeing more fantasy based on other mythologies. praising it to heaven just for being different is a bit stupid, but the shift towards more flavors of fantasy is not a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.11716885]

>>11714775
Who dis munkay bitche iid fukker

[Anonymous No.11716896]

>>11714857
>Wilson Harris
>The novel was written in 1959 after Wilson Harris had moved to London from Guyana. The manuscript for the novel was accepted for publication by T. S. Eliot
Well that's a surprise

[Anonymous No.11716897]

>>11714946
The faster China grows, the faster it crumbles. They absolutely cannot produce a stable society.

[Anonymous No.11716910]

>>11716837

[Anonymous No.11716928]

>>11716897
>but it'll collapse any day now, just you watch!

t. 90% of western commentators for the last 35 years

[Anonymous No.11717206]

>>11716896
Palace of the Peacock is a masterpiece. Pure ayahuasca trip.

[Anonymous No.11717255]

blacks invented peanut butter

[Anonymous No.11717294]

>>11717255
And gang rape

[Anonymous No.11717327]

>>11714946
>>11716897
China is more stable than any liberal democracy, by the nature of its culture and political system. Leftists are obviously not prepared given that they're ideologically opposed and chinks have no liberal basis to subversively garner strength from.

[Anonymous No.11717334]

>>11716910
Samuel L. Whiteman.

[Anonymous No.11717530]

Fantasy genre is one that needs more diversity.

[Anonymous No.11717540]

>>11714779
>>11714779
exactly

[Anonymous No.11717544]

>>11714775
how was it colonized if it was always european?

[Anonymous No.11717629]

>>11717544
Sci fi came out of Islam, brother.
>Ibn Tufail (Abubacer) and Ibn al-Nafis were pioneers of the philosophical novel. Ibn Tufail wrote the first Arabic novel, Hayy ibn Yaqdhan (Philosophus Autodidactus ["The Self-Taught Philosopher"]), as a response to al-Ghazali's The Incoherence of the Philosophers. Ibn al-Nafis then wrote his novel Theologus Autodidactus ["The Self-Taught Theologian"] as a response to Ibn Tufail's. Both of these narratives had protagonists (Hayy in Philosophus Autodidactus and Kamil in Theologus Autodidactus) who were autodidactic feral children living in seclusion on a desert island; these are the earliest examples of a desert island story. However, while Hayy lives alone with animals on the desert island for the rest of the story, Kamil's story extends beyond the desert island setting, developing into the earliest known coming of age plot and eventually becoming the first example of a science fiction novel.

[Anonymous No.11717631]

>>11714775
le guin already did that though?

[Anonymous No.11718052]

Wh*te author
>We don't harm the gods when we mingle their names with our curses and obscenities. We harm ourselves. I said that I didn't regard most gods as holy, but they don't have to be for our malice and mockery to recoil upon ourselves.

Strong powyrful wymxn POS Democratic Socialist Hugo and Nebula Award Winner
>The nigs nogged at nognight, as was our custom. I looked up at the beautiful ebony sky of Nogvania and rejoiced in the jungle hooting of my beautiful black sisters. As the rhythm of the space-drums surged through my black skin I felt at one with the great Blackness. The albinoids had been slain, the great Patriarch overthrown, there were no pallid hands to clutch at our black bodies ever again. "Down with the Rapocracy!" I shouted, and my words became hip hop. My beautiful black body was recorded on Instagram as I sang, getting over three million hits, and a producer named Shmuel signed me to a three record deal. At last I returned to Hiphopopolis triumphant, resplendent, rims spinning. I told my beautiful black sisters that the war was over. The great Welfare in the sky would no longer be controlled by the albinoids of the Rapocracy, but would dispense its gifts freely to all beautiful black bodies, so that we might live, and make hip hop.

[Anonymous No.11718077]

>>11717294
My two favorite things

[Anonymous No.11718106]

>>11717255
The Aztecs did.

[Anonymous No.11718118]

Isn't it funny how Bolsheviks went for the mechanisms of power while having no support among the populace?

Isn't it funny how cultural Bolsheviks go for educational spots, award shows and create review (((aggregators))) to peddle their work?

[Anonymous No.11718121]

>>11718052
>first person

I've heard the nog writes in second person all the way, I shit you not.

[Anonymous No.11718139]

>>11718118
there was overwhelmibg working class support for socialism in russia, germany and china tard

[Anonymous No.11718140]

>would legitimately like to read novels written by people from other countries, set in their nation and culture, or featuring their history or mythology
>almost everything is just "muh white devil" ranting
Are there books from other nations translated to English (if necessary) that aren't anti-white salt?
>>11716869
I would love that.

[Anonymous No.11718144]

>>11718106
The Aztecs were black, crackkka.

[Anonymous No.11718148]

>>11716928
oh shit 35 years man, 35 years! that's like forever in terms of history, right? Fucking retard.

China is stable in that it has to be perfectly stable to survive as a hive society. They cannot tolerate dissent in the way western society can, if it existed their society would cease to exist, and blood would pour in the streets like it has every single time they had political trouble. It happened before it will happen again.

[Anonymous No.11718174]

>>11718139
yes and I'm talking about Bolsheviks, not the socialists that Cheka murdered immediately.

[Anonymous No.11718223]

>>11717327
lol. chinese central governments bribe powerful dissenters in the liberal rich coastal cities to play nice. once the money dries up (and it will) the shit show will start.

[Anonymous No.11718250]

>>11718174
yes there was overwhelming support for Socialism you fucking propagandist retard, ths Bolsheviks were the most popular party in Russia, they were overwhelmingly beloved by Russians and to this day people in the Eastern bloc talk of missing them, and specifically Stalin. Communism is bad because its inefficient not because its illegitimate. Fascism is for the exact same reasons