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im getting kinda tired of irony, bros

>> No.11710162

Not sure why you're wasting your time in the mainstream.

>> No.11710193

It happens. I gave up on irony a few months back once I sort of developed a personality of my own that I'm willing to share with others. Prior to that I just used irony to fuck with people and test their limits.

>> No.11710200

>not embracing postmodernist irony

>> No.11710208

I think DFW wrote a book on that..
But seriously I agree with you

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>> No.11710509

I'm glad someone was willing to say it. I agree, OP. It's like a drug to numb oneself from sucking emptiness. Each dose is progressively less effective until it doesn't provide any more relief at all.

>> No.11710516

I agree op. Now take the fucking redpill

>> No.11710863

"The next real literary “rebels” in this country might well emerge as some weird bunch of anti-rebels, born oglers who dare somehow to back away from ironic watching, who have the childish gall actually to endorse and instantiate single-entendre principles. Who treat of plain old untrendy human troubles and emotions in U.S. life with reverence and conviction. Who eschew self-consciousness and hip fatigue. These anti-rebels would be outdated, of course, before they even started. Dead on the page. Too sincere. Clearly repressed. Backward, quaint, naive, anachronistic. Maybe that’ll be the point. Maybe that’s why they’ll be the next real rebels. Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today’s risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal”. To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows."

>> No.11711031

There's irony in that, no doubt.

>> No.11711042 [DELETED] 

he was talking about gays

>> No.11711532

What about cynicism? I had a thread yesterday essentially about the overcoming (or at least the dealing with) a nihilistic culture and there were a couple people that had posts like “you need to be 18 to be on this board”, “thanks for the laugh OP”, etc etc. It’s really depressing when you can’t engage in serious conversation with other human beings.

>> No.11711534

Irony is what retards use because they’re not intelligent enough to articulate their thoughts as they feel them.

>> No.11711536

This but unironically

>> No.11711565

you cant skip irony if you're thinking in a language

>> No.11711571

You’re supposed to think in abstractions and put a language to them. Do you have any doninion of mind?

This board is full of tards.

>> No.11711573

I'm a brainlet and can only spout ironic memes desu.

>> No.11711582

this idea comes from the syntax of language and overshadows the spectrum of the abstraction

>> No.11711587

Is that Chomsky?

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dont worry op

>> No.11712033

>expecting original content on 4chan
use reddit retard

>> No.11712094

>not enjoying ironic smiles

>> No.11712119

>postmodernist irony

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It's when you start being ironic about your own ideas and desires. It hurts but you don't know where the pain is coming from

>> No.11712833

if thoughts, ideas and the way you feel about them could be articulated in a satisfying way there would no need for music and poetry

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>> No.11712865

i hope this was meant to be ironic

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>> No.11713919

E Unibus Pluram by Wallace. I don't remember which collection it's in but I think you can find it online

>> No.11714089

its in a suppposedly fun thing

>> No.11714114

>Jesus says, "He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

>> No.11714116

wtf dave i thought you killed yourself

>> No.11714126

Do you live at the same timeline as I do? Most shit now is unironically SJW and the defense of identity politics is as unironic as it can get.

>> No.11714357

I think he is reffering to the kind of humour that has been developed on a very personal level and only a small amount of people (if any ) can relate to.Also a kind of attitude against the mainstream which only strengthens walls of your own poor self. Dodging discussions and stating opinions like a fuckin coward

>> No.11714367

This is part of what I love about Medieval (and Classical) literature.
>the childish gall actually to endorse and instantiate single-entendre principles

>> No.11714388

sarcasm is just low self esteem

>> No.11714396

>still frogposting
not tired enough, apparently

>> No.11714517

For the love of god motherfuckers
Discuss and stop fuckin around

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Nowadays, I act in earnest, and people really love me. I have gotten promotions at work and new, better paying positions at other firms in a very competitive industry, where people literally comment on how they like how genuine I am. Give it a try OP

>> No.11714599

Good for you now fuck off

>> No.11714612


Do not follow this advice before telling us who that Minstrel is

>> No.11715753

Ironically this.

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why do non-4chanians get assblasted about frogs

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>Unironically ironic 'person'

Maybe you wouldn't be such a sad failure if you actually tried trying

>> No.11715816

Because the msm / late night talk shows said that frogs are a symbol of white supremacy / racism / bigotry / the alt-right, and in turn the normies who watch that shit relayed that misinformation to the normies who don't watch that shit.
The same principle is behind trump delirium. Next to no one would feel as emotionally charged about politics today if it weren't for the msm deliberately causing strife among americans through the focus and content of their headlines.
"Politics for the masses."

>> No.11716286

a big dream of mine is kidnapping 4-5 of you, bunker absolute isolation greenland salvia beating all full exhaust of our heads and see how you like it

>> No.11716292

What is irony? I'm a brainlet

>> No.11716295

I was just about to ask this. Seconded.

>> No.11716361

not really. It's cause from 2014-2016 there was a massive influx of users. board quality decreased because they parroted the loud obnoxious minorities who are like white nationalists and post frogs and wojacks and shit, because the new users want to fit in. and additionally there's hardly ever any post worthwhile that has a frog image attached to it

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>tfw the real "new sincerity" is reactionary traditionalism

>> No.11716434

I feel you, but the fact is we're stuck with it. Viewed from a Hegelian perspective, the dialectical progression of Spirit moves forward by means of negation and sublation. Creationism meets evolutionism, and is sublated into evolutionism-as-opposed-to-creationism. The problem with irony is that the ironic contains its own negation. For example, the negation of "this but unironically" is "this but ironically," but the mere fact of specifying "unironically" demonstrates that the ironic significance was present from the beginning. Remember Zizek's favorite story of Niels Bohr, a rational atheist who hung a horseshoe over his door for good luck, and when pressed on the matter replied, "Of course I don't believe in it, but I hear it works even if you don't believe in it." He believes in it but ironically, meaning that the negation of belief (disbelief) is already present in the term initially, and sublates itself into the original term harmlessly. To simplify in terms of thesis—antithesis—synthesis, we have ironic statement—subset of ironic statement—ironic statement. Since the original term already contains its own negation, the dialectical process always terminates in the selfsame term. We conclude that irony is a dialectical annihilator, analogous to multiplication of a real number by zero in a mathematical context. The ironic can neither be overcome, nor countermanded, nor escaped via dialectical means. To borrow a term from retarded futurists, it's dialectical "gray goo." It swallows everything while being invincible itself. The Hegelian thesis is that History proceeds dialectically. If true, we'll never escape this, and the ghost of DFW will never rest. If History proceeds by means other than rational, we may yet have a chance. I consider Kierkegaard to be the most important thinker along these lines, as the anti-Hegelian anti-rational thinker par excellence.

>> No.11716437

damn look how sincere that face is

>> No.11716671

>the ones who hate /pol/ are normie libtards that got here six months ago, we all love le based god emperor here
No, stop it

>> No.11716683

>The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal”

>> No.11718247

Wrong. No you stop it.

>> No.11718257


Anyone with half a brain gets tired of irony after one week of browsing 4chan.

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>> No.11718449

I was about to hop in with the /pol/ bashing but he didn't even mention the board or even really endorse trump, which leads me to wonder why you're being such a whiny bitch on a fairly reasonable post

>> No.11719139

good read

>> No.11719180

Is this irony?

>> No.11719193

What is better? An ironic truth or a sincere lie?

>> No.11719220

I, unironically, love irony

>> No.11719226

>I love too talk about the dialectic but not to read history or scientific texts or to learn maths or linguistics or engineering or political science or epistemology because im a narcissistic high verbal parasite
yeah great poast reiterating the same copy paste autism from every single hegelian analysis of everything that exists

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well do I have the book for you

>> No.11719426

I hate high verbal parasites, they believe making up words for convoluted concepts is the answer to everything, at least high mathematic patasites gave us computers

>> No.11719441

mathematicians and physicists are the only people besides SE african, Polynesian and new world HG’s who are not parasites, anon.
>at least they gave us computers

>> No.11719515

It's all around, anytime I'm with people they can't be serious. They can't not crack jokes or say anything they really mean. I was trying to have a conversation with my dad a few days ago and my brother kept jumping in to say some joke or make light of what we were discussing. Once I realized it the amount of times he did it was absurd. Now I can't stop noticing it

>> No.11719537

I’m actually a STEMtard but I realize that doesn’t play well with your polemic

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