/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11675923]

What do we do about the adults-reading-children’s-books problem?
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/06/against_ya_adults_should_be_embarrassed_to_read_children_s_books.html

[Anonymous No.11675936]

>>11675923
>Critics who treat ‘adult’ as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
- C.S. Lewis, an author smarter than the writer of this article and any of the fuckers reading it

[Anonymous No.11675938]

>>11675923
nothing, because i dont make it my personal mission to care for brainlets

[Anonymous No.11675956]

is Lovecraftian horror YA?

I rarely even read fiction: but time to time I like to read a story about tentacled monstrosities

[Anonymous No.11675957]

>>11675923
Arabian nights, Grimm fairy tales, the bible were written for children. And those books are both messed up and very difficult language.

[December !!TY0+NRMplWe No.11675965]

>>11675936
It's almost as if the author of the opinion article took Lewis and his sentiment and reverse engineered a way to be the most childish idiot possible.

[Anonymous No.11675971]

>>11675923
Who cares? It's not like the Harry Potter fandom would read the Odyssey if there was no Harry Potter. I'm glad people read at all.

[Anonymous No.11675984]

>>11675923
>coming from slate
>coming from the person that wrote pic-related

There's nothing wrong with reading YA novels
If that's a problem then watching comic book movies or movies featuring high schoolers should be shunned too.

The author of this article is just trying to seem smart, because they're "too good" for certain books.

[Anonymous No.11676092]

>>11675936
>When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
Based. I wish I could get rid of my reservations about looking a bit foolish in public some times.

>>11675923
I'm currently re-reading all the Goosebumps books. No shame.
>t.trying to write kids / YA horror stories

[Anonymous No.11676215]

>>11675936
Of course there's nothing wrong with reading good literature written for children, but the vast majority of YA novels are shit with no literary value

[Anonymous No.11676234]

>>11676215
Certainly, but the article isn't denouncing them because they lack literary value.

[Anonymous No.11676240]

The problem is the abysmal quality of ya literature, not their target.

[Anonymous No.11676244]

nothing, it gives me an easy sense of superiority over people

[Anonymous No.11676288]

>>11675984
>If that's a problem then watching comic book movies or movies featuring high schoolers should be shunned too

well yeah

[Anonymous No.11676301]

>>11675923
Yeah no, I will read my children story book as a child, adult and as a elderly.
I have never met anyone who tries too hard to seem like a adult, who also actually is mature person.

[Anonymous No.11676310]

>>11676301
Torille!

(I am evidently not one of the mature persons you speak of.)

[Anonymous No.11676323]

>>11675965
Well, you exist...

[Anonymous No.11676329]

>>11676288
Even EoE?

[Anonymous No.11676331]

>>11676310
>(I am evidently not one of the mature persons you speak of.)
Then I have to tell you to loosen up a little.

[Anonymous No.11676337]

>>11675923
It's not that they're reading books written for children so much as they're reading derivative works marketed towards midwits too proud to read classics

[January !MrMnqxS.bg No.11676408]

>>11675936
If C.S. Lewis were alive today he'd own a Nintendo Switch.

[Anonymous No.11676419]

>>11676288
your opinion is shit.

[Anonymous No.11676459]

>>11675957
the bible was written for children?

[Anonymous No.11676502]

>beginning the article with an image of Alice of all things

I know she refers mostly to modern YA in the article, but she already lost me there.

The problem isn't YA or children's book, the problem is bad books in general.

>>11675936

Yeah, Lewis basically buried the whole discussion with that. The problem isn't consuming things that are for kids, but not being able to grow up as a person. I know adults whose literally life peak was Harry Potter, but they are still more responsible and grown up than people who boast about philosophy and literature all the time.

[Anonymous No.11676512]

>>11676329
no

[Anonymous No.11676518]

>>11676502
>maturity is going to work and doing your own laundry
Literal children playing house.

[Anonymous No.11676528]

>>11676518
Children playing house have more maturity than some of the basement-dwellers here.

[Anonymous No.11676560]

>>11675936
Nice knee jerk reflex you got there. YA is not the same thing as fairy tales. It's childish as in it feels as if it were written by a child. It's badly written, filled with plot holes, inconsistencies, wish fulfilment, political propaganda, and leaps of logic. (Most) YA shouldn't be read by anyone who isn't a young adult, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying that.

[Anonymous No.11676569]

>>11675936
So.... /lit/ is defending Young Adult books now... Because Slate is criticizing them. Where the fuck am I????

[Anonymous No.11676573]

>>11676459
*buuuuurppp*
Yes, Morty.

[Anonymous No.11676577]

/lit is so fucking contrarian that although this woman's opinion is practically a consensus among us, it will still bash her for having written it.

[Anonymous No.11676580]

>>11676569
The dreadful little village of Contrarian's Point.

[Anonymous No.11676584]

>>11676329
EoE?

[Anonymous No.11676606]

>>11676092
Do you actually enjoy it? I tried re-reading Goosebumps and just found it terribly dull.

[Anonymous No.11676619]

>>11676560
Young adult's shouldn't read it either.

[Anonymous No.11676640]

>>11675923
It appeals to the lowest common denominator. It's like video games or comic book movies, which were supposed to be for a younger age demographic, a demographic the creators typically still try to pander to even today, but just so happen to also attract the average person who doesn't want to feel challenged when they're not working.
I personally feel it's more on the onset of the creators for not realizing they've got a secondary market of adults. They should attempt to challenge the adults while also staying palatable for children. It's less about the masses reading 'children's books' and more about adults making children's books in the form of entertainment enjoyed primarily by adults today.

[Anonymous No.11676657]

Pleb: YA
Patrician: Children's Literature

[Anonymous No.11676663]

>>11675923
Sounds pretentious to me. The problem isn't that adults are reading YA, it's that they don't read anything else. There's nothing wrong with reading something that isn't dense and thought provoking. Do you never watch cheesy action movies, or low brow TV? Same thing.

[Anonymous No.11676679]

>>11676580
Stealing that.

>>11676606
The writing is what I would expect for the age bracket and are easy to read for it. Some of the ideas are neat and I'm a sucker for the cover art (same goes with Stephen King hardbacks) but I am viewing them with my nostalgia goggles. They were a big part of my childhood.

[Anonymous No.11676693]

>>11676640
>but just so happen to also attract the average person who doesn't want to feel challenged when they're not working.
Jesus the cringe here, are you 16? Everything I watch isn't going to be Citizen Kane, but no you're so much better and more intelligent than everyone who watches these movies. Don't pretend like you don't enjoy things that you'd be ashamed to admit.

>I personally feel it's more on the onset of the creators for not realizing they've got a secondary market of adults. They should attempt to challenge the adults while also staying palatable for children.
Yes you, a frequenter of an anime board, know this and the people who are paid millions of dollars to research the demographic they're marketing don't.

[Anonymous No.11676699]

>>11676663
Doesn't she make it 100% obvious in the text that she's bashing the type of person who only consumes YA? Are you daft?

[Anonymous No.11676700]

>>11676459
We are all god's children ;^)

[Anonymous No.11676772]

>>11676640
Nah it's primarily the fault of our dumbed down education. You can't expect adults who never heard of Zeus or the Tet offensive to consume challenging material. Even the women with 1000+ books on their goodreads shelves are dumb as shit, and equally as ignorant.

[Anonymous No.11676777]

>>11676584
Yes

[Anonymous No.11676814]

>>11676693
>>11676772
I was thinking more along the lines of Dr. Seuss or pre-Pixar merger Disney movies where it was clearly marketed toward children but were made by adults and had adult themes present in them.

[Anonymous No.11676888]

>>11676584
East of Eden

[Anonymous No.11676909]

>>11675923
If the writer is saying that adults should not be reading influential YA classics like Alice in Wonderland that has been illustrated by master artist such as Salvador Dali, then he should kindly fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11676912]

>>11676329
He was talking about capeshit not weebshit

[Anonymous No.11676914]

>>11675956
no

[Anonymous No.11676996]

>>11676912
>comic book movies *or* movies featuring high schoolers

emphasis mine

[Anonymous No.11677004]

>>11676573
this, this is why i love Rick and Morty

[Anonymous No.11677005]

>>11676888
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.11677011]

>>11675923
Stop liking what I don't like!

>>11675956
It's below YA.

[Anonymous No.11677022]

>>11675923
If I wrote a YA book could I make money off it?
Do people actually buy this stuff?

[Anonymous No.11677043]

>>11677022
Just make sure you check the boxes and you might do okay.
1. Stronk buy shy female protagonist who thinks she's ugly but is actually 9/10.
2. Boys.
3. Plot analogous in someway to high school.
4. And most importantly, use ham fisted sociopolitical commentary/awareness to give the appearance of meaning in an otherwise meaningless novel.

[Anonymous No.11677053]

>>11677043
So have many successful YA books have you written, anon?

[Anonymous No.11677062]

>>11677053
Same number as you anon.

[Anonymous No.11677076]

>>11677062
Why the fuck would you then think you could give anyone advice on how to do so?

[Anonymous No.11677085]

>>11677076
We've all seen the patterns and know what kind of shit sells, even if we ourselves don't have the time, the patience, the interest, the need for money, or the absolute shamelessness to go along with it ourselves.

[Anonymous No.11677088]

>>11677076
Because your books going to be equally as shit either way.

[Anonymous No.11677094]

>>11677022
YA novels are my guilty pleasure, so yes.

[Anonymous No.11677115]

>>11677085
The actual pattern is too brought to be of any use, but nice excuses of spewing childish shit without anything to back it up.

>>11677088
Wasn't the question about selling?

[Anonymous No.11677134]

>>11677115
Bro, if I actually knew, why on earth would I tell a botch like you?

[Anonymous No.11677140]

>>11677134
If you actually knew, you wouldn't be here shitposting.

[Anonymous No.11677144]

>>11676419
just imagined your stupid little scrunched up face saying this and chuckled
god I'm so much more mature than the plebs ITT

[Anonymous No.11677148]

What the fuck I enjoyed the moomins

[Anonymous No.11677150]

>>11677043
+ dystopian future with stronk government/overlords

[Anonymous No.11677153]

>>11675936
Lewis' books are better than 95% of contemporary YA, if he saw modern commercial YA he would change his statement

[Anonymous No.11677157]

>>11675957
Grimm and Bible are cultural goods.

[Anonymous No.11677188]

>>11677144
>god I'm so much more mature than the plebs ITT
Obviously, a very mature response

[Anonymous No.11677192]

Oh spare me. I'd sooner entertain a chronic glue sniffer's confabulations than hear a single thing anyone who reads "YA" has to say about anything whatsoever. Humoring them by feigning the preposterous notion they aren't going to be in every respect droning mongoloids dribbling utter codswallop isn't doing them -- or you -- any favors. Whatever they "reckon" is never going to be relevant. You'll get more out of trying to read random Scrabble pieces or tea leaves. Hell even stone silence conveys more.

[Anonymous No.11677244]

>>11676408
If he were alive today he'd own your punk ass

[Anonymous No.11677251]

>>11677192
i like you

[Anonymous No.11677345]

>>11677251
I don't like thee at all

[Anonymous No.11677349]

>>11677244
The two don't close each other out.

[Anonymous No.11677441]

>>11675936
>C.S. Lewis

wtf all this time I thought that quote was from Lewis Carroll

[Anonymous No.11677465]

>>11676408
He'd play Fortnite and try to convert his team members to Christianity on voice chat

[Anonymous No.11677508]

>>11675936
how about some /lit/ approved children's literature? I'll start:

A Wrinkle in Time
Swallows and Amazons
The Secret Garden
The Wind in the Willows
The Little Prince
Just So Stories

[Anonymous No.11677520]

>>11676518

christ, you're dull.

[Anonymous No.11677558]

>>11675936
They had different literary standards at the time. I mean I read stuff like The Lost World. It's fun. But this is quite different from what 25-40 year old women read today. Things like Twilight, and then they write fan fiction about fucking teenagers. Obviously there's nothing wrong with reading a well written book for children, say The Little Prince. There's a beauty and tenderness in that which we can enjoy but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about college educated, aging women who indulge in teenage fantasies without literary merit. It's just sad. Infantilization isn't something just happening among males.

[Anonymous No.11677582]

>>11675923
Slate is written for people with below average intelligence levels. So it is the pot calling the kettle black.

[Anonymous No.11677584]

>>11677558
In theory I enjoy those bookshelf tours on youtube. But you can't watch them. Over 90% of women on there not only look the same but they also all read the same irrelevant shit. They have their Jane Austen, Charles Dickens and their token 'diverse' authors and such which all look unread and then they talk for half an hour about books for teenagers. The concept of those tours is super comfy but there's just so little good content.

[Anonymous No.11677587]

>>11675936
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11677638]

>>11677011
>I read Lovecraft when i was seven and there's no way for you to disprove it heh heh
You'll never become a smarter person by saying things are too easy for you, you know that right? Literal pseud.

[Anonymous No.11677862]

i bet the brain-dead commies are the ones attacking slate, YA books are shit, deal with it

[Anonymous No.11677881]

>>11675923
>Alice in Wonderland / Through the looking Glass
>Children's literature
Sure, you can read it as a child, but you need to know some real math and logic to fully appreciate them.

[Anonymous No.11677922]

>>11676240
>The problem is the abysmal quality of ya literature, not their target.

This right here. Most YA is just a collection of YA cliches and stereotypes, assembled in a moderately different way from all the other YA books with the same YA cliches and stereotypes.

A lot of these YA authors are now also writing comics, and their comics feature the very same YA cliches and stereotypes. This is a large cause of the civil war going on in comics at the moment, unacknowledged by many involved, who instead blame it on politics.

[Anonymous No.11677998]

the problem is a lack of maturity

this quote:
>>11675936
doesn't fit because CS Lewis was a fucking medieval scholar at Oxford. He had nothing to lose by reading fairy tales. The kidults reading YA couldn't be further from CS. Middlebrow cunt writing the article is halfway there. He's on the other side...

but it's wrong to say that people who read YA exclusively and have never leveled up should be content with their mediocrity

[Anonymous No.11678000]

>>11675923
Consumerist neoteny there is nothing to be done OP

[Anonymous No.11678178]

>>11677922
Comics are written for children anyway, which makes YA writers a natural fit for the genre.

[Anonymous No.11678208]

>>11675936
Why are we supposed to care what C.S. Lewis thought? He wasn't even a particularly good writer. He was just popular.

[Anonymous No.11678228]

>>11675956
no man you're good

[Anonymous No.11679290]

>>11677508
The Hobbit, although the patrician's choice is Roverandom
The Jungle Books 1 and 2
The various books by Dahl
Watership Down
Chronicles of Narnia

>>11678208
Because he wrote a hugely popular and influential YA series, you mong. Even if you don't agree, he has an opinion in that field.

[Anonymous No.11679343]

>>11675971
I read Harry Potter many times including in my adulthood and the odissey. Some times I want to read a simpler story some times I want to read an epic. Read whatever you want guys and fuck those who judge you for that

[Anonymous No.11679355]

>>11679343
this desu. There's no reason you couldn't - or shouldn't - go back to the simpler times and stories when you feel like it, so long as they're not the norm.

[Anonymous No.11679396]

>>11676573
I don't understand what Rick meant by this. Does that mean I might be a brainlet with low IQ?

[Anonymous No.11679402]

>>11679343
I don't think you are the kind of reader the OP is about desu

[Anonymous No.11679446]

>>11676814
You fell for the nostalgia. Get off my board, pleb scum.

[Anonymous No.11679455]

>>11677508
Gormenghast
Dune
Earthsea
Collections of myths and fairytales
Chronicles of Ancient Darkness was good from what I remember
Alice in Wonderland
Small Gods
Borges in general
>b-but some of these aren't explicitly for children!
Kids can and should read them.

[Anonymous No.11679473]

>>11677011
>It's below YA.

This. It's on the same level as stuff like Hunter x Hunter.

[Anonymous No.11679511]

>>11679446
um, what you're doing? that's called gatekeeping, sweetie, stop it.

[Anonymous No.11679570]

>>11676408
1000 hours in photoshop

[Anonymous No.11680467]

>>11679455
>>11679290
these are good, give me more. Do we dare make a chart?

[Anonymous No.11680516]

>>11675923

I don't care about it myself. However it does sort of bug me to know that there is somebody out there who once dreamed of forging a career in letters only to give it up in order to pursue writing 1500w articles complaining about the actions of a generalised group of people. That is sorta like really lame desu.

[Anonymous No.11680559]

>>11675984
capeshit is infinitely more embarrassing and gay than YA """literature"""

[Anonymous No.11680578]

>>11680559
What about YA capeshit such as Worm?

[Anonymous No.11680638]

>>11679343
The Odyssey is a simpler story, though. It's an epic as well, but it isn't any more complicated or difficult than Harry Potter unless you're reading it in its original language.

[Anonymous No.11680651]

>>11675936
So you're saying that weebs are the most mature of us all?

[Anonymous No.11681993]

>>11675923
Wow a good article by slate!

[Anonymous No.11682074]

>>11675956
Genre fiction (horror, sci-fi, fantasy) and young adult fiction are separate categories. Although there's a ton of shit from the last 20 years that falls into both categories.
>>11677011
>>11679473
Fuck both of you. Good horror (such as: Lovecraft, Poe, Ligotti) is better than young adult bullshit. Lovecraft didn't pander to teenagers. He didn't even care about money.

[Anonymous No.11682084]

>>11675956
Nope, you're fine.

[Anonymous No.11682092]

>>11682074
>He didn't even care about money.
Nor the quality of his work. Like, sure he has some meme appeal but that's about it. A better writer could've accomplish something decent with some of his ideas.

[Anonymous No.11682106]

>>11675957
Arabian Nights is more iconic than Grimm's but is also demonstrably shit and lacking the purpose that Grimm's had.

Obviously the tertiary work on your list was included for (You)s, but do you unironically believe that the bible is "messed up?" You'd better stop watching videos like "Dawkins explodes with the fury of 10,000 suns at braindead christians COMPILATION [HD] [1080p]" because Dawkin's appeals to emotion have clearly rubbed off on you.

[Anonymous No.11682107]

>>11682092
Say what you will about Lovecraft's prose, the man had some original ideas and wasn't in it for the money. He's far better than J. K. Rowling, John Green, and other young adult hacks.

[Anonymous No.11682135]

>>11682092
>A better writer could've accomplish something decent with some of his ideas.
That alone places him miles above YA fiction. YA fiction is completely devoid of interesting ideas.

[Anonymous No.11682144]

>>11675923
Basically all the fandom of Harry Potter.

[Anonymous No.11682154]

>>11682107
>>11682135
Yeah, definitely can't fault him for the creativity but while this makes his work more valuable for other people who might get inspired to create something better, it doesn't make his work more valuable for someone who just wants to read.

Also what YA lacks in ideas it often balances out with a cozy feel which can be relaxing.

[Anonymous No.11682159]

>>11682154
>Also what YA lacks in ideas it often balances out with a cozy feel which can be relaxing.
Not that often. Most of the time all I see is grimdark dystopian bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11682175]

>>11682159
Most of everything is shit.

[Anonymous No.11682515]

>>11677558
This. C.S. Lewis didn't live to see the trash that hits the shelves today. To not care if people see you reading a silly book is one thing, but to actively boast about reading these books, like on some awful youtube channel or FB groups or Insta accounts, is quite completely another. Like many things culture related in current year, it's all about boasting, being seen and screaming in your own echo chamber about books for horny 13 year old girls who can barely read.

[Anonymous No.11682522]

>>11682154
But he also has better prose than the average YA author. He's not great but he's certainly better than J. K. "stretched his legs" Rowling and she's the queen of the genre.

[Anonymous No.11682559]

>>11675984
>There's nothing wrong with reading YA novels
Name five good YA novels. Pre-1960 novels that have been retrospectively labeled YA don't count.

[Anonymous No.11683343]

>>11679511

>sweetie

[Anonymous No.11683404]

>>11678178
Since the 80s they've been written for fortysomething neckbeards. Bringing in YA writers has been an attempt to appeal to other markets.

[Anonymous No.11683539]

>>11679343
You're a retard if you still read Harry Potter.

[Anonymous No.11683567]

>>11682559
>Pre-1960 novels that have been retrospectively labeled YA don't count.
don't care
the sorrows of young werther is a great young adult book, it was read by teenagers in its day and it's basically the perfect book for a feelsy teenage boy.

[Anonymous No.11683580]

>>11676215
So are a lot of suspense novels.

[Anonymous No.11683584]

>>11676619
This

[Anonymous No.11683675]

>>11682522
>J. K. "stretched his legs" Rowling
Stop falling for memes, friend.

[Anonymous No.11683793]

>>11675936
>Comparing C.S. Lewis with contemporary YA authors
unironically kys

[Anonymous No.11683839]

>>11675923
this article, while well written, has such an obvious thesis that it's sad it needs to even be stated

[Anonymous No.11683850]

>>11676699
yeah, and can you imagine if an adult told you they watch only YA style movies? how embarassed would you be for them

[Anonymous No.11683888]

>>11683539
Oh no, a random anon called me ratwrded for reading what I want. As I said, I don't I read what o feel like, and that can be anything from the Odyssey to Dostoievski to Harry Potter. If you don't a read a genre or an author not because you sant like it but because it has a label you think is not "advanced" enough for you tha. You are the retarded one

[Anonymous No.11683979]

>>11679570
Based

[Anonymous No.11683982]

>>11683888

[Anonymous No.11684015]

>>11675923
Not a surprise that adults read them since much of adult fiction published today is already written at the YA level.

YA is the endgame of invisible style.

[Anonymous No.11684354]

>>11675936
The issue now days is that these people are entering arrested development in the sense of eternal adolescents, the denial of adulthood and the retreat to escapism. I have no issue with childish books, he'll I'm reading Mark Twains A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, but refusing to ever think beyond that is the issue.

[Anonymous No.11684368]

>>11675923
The issue isn't that reading fiction ntended for young people is bad, its that fiction intended for young people written today , aka YA lit, is absolute trash, and no adult with any intelligence or self-worth ought to be reading it. Hell, even kids shouldn't be reading that garbage. It shouldn't even be published. Kids need good literature to develope their minds and tastes. Its telling that we see fit to feed our children the intellectual equivalent of pig slop.

[Anonymous No.11684381]

>>11677465
This is an amusing thought and somewhat plausible.

[Anonymous No.11684389]

Well, she's not wrong, but the problem with YA trash isn't lack of "maturity" - it's the fact that these books are 80% some fucking weird NWO Malthusian Social Darwinism agitprop.

[Anonymous No.11684423]

>>11675957
Grimm's fairy tales were originally just a collection of German oral tales. The brothers Grimm edited and toned them down but many of them were definitely not primarily intended for children.

[Anonymous No.11684427]

>>11676301
That's why you're supposed to get children, so you can read those to them.

[Anonymous No.11684568]

>>11676560
Sure most YA novels in the past few years are filled with trash but just because it was written with kids in mind doesn't automatically make it badly written. Any genre can be good if the author has the ability.

[Anonymous No.11684569]

>>11675936
CS Lewis was unironically a furry

[Anonymous No.11684580]

>>11676693
You sound like reddit

[Anonymous No.11684582]

>>11682074
>Putting Lovecraft on the same level as Poe

>>11682522
>But he also has better prose than the average YA author.

He honestly doesn't. What he does appears intellectual to people who don't know any better, but his writing is like a parody of 'literary style', like a kid who tries to use big, clever words how he thinks serious authors do because he wants to be seen as an adult despite not honestly understanding why they write the way they do.

[Anonymous No.11684818]

>>11680467
Can only give what I've read.

Has anyone mentioned The Outsiders?

[Anonymous No.11684982]

>>11684818
The Outsiders! Now there's a book I always forget about. I guess if we're talking about books that were assigning reading, I guess we're getting into Lord of the Flies/Mockingbird territory...

Did anybody read The Westing Game?

[Anonymous No.11685026]

>>11675957
The Arabian Nights weren't written for children, they just became popular for children because of the sheer imaginitive pleasure in reading them. Same as Robinson Crusoe.

[Anonymous No.11685252]

>>11683675
Do you really think Rowling has good prose?

[Anonymous No.11685263]

That article title is misogynistic.

[Anonymous No.11685276]

>>11684582
You're overestimating the average YA author. Lovecraft overused big adjectives but at least he tried his hardest to go beyond pulp writing and craft a style of his own. He wasn't good at prose but he's Poe compared to John Green and other YA hacks.

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>>11683567
But it isn't young adult. There's a reason why I said pre-1960 novels don't count. Over the last 50 years there has been a rapidly increasing trend of authors blatantly pandering to teenagers. When Goethe was writing The Sorrows of Young Werther he wasn't thinking "I better simplify everything so this will appeal to as many teenagers as possible."

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>>11675936
There's a massive difference between old children's literature and modern young adult fiction. Old children's literature had standards. Rudyard Kipling and Mark Twain, two of the greatest authors of the 19th century, wrote children's literature. What does modern young adult fiction have? J. K. Rowling, Stephenie Meyer, John Green, and other talentless idiots who make Beatrix Potter look like a pure genius.